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From [email protected] Sun Jan 8 19:04:11 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Bob Curtis) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.computer.consultants,misc.entrepreneurs Subject: RFD: misc.business.consulting moderated Followup-To: news.groups Date: 8 Jan 1995 18:54:53 -0500 Organization: gate.net Lines: 152 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:6166 news.groups:128745 alt.computer.consultants:11267 misc.entrepreneurs:30640 *** PROPOSAL *** Group Name: misc.business.consulting Status: Moderated Distribution: world Summary: Discussion of issues specifically relating to the business of consulting. Moderator: Bob Curtis <[email protected]> Advisory Committee: (available collectively as [email protected]) Bob Treumann <[email protected]> Rich Weland <[email protected]> Randy Coulman <[email protected]> Dave Crowson <[email protected]> John Hopkins <[email protected]> L. Hillman <[email protected]> Bill Codding <[email protected]> Proposed by: Bob Curtis <[email protected]> -------- Purpose This group is meant to provide an organized forum for the discussion and dissemination of information specifically relating to the business of consulting, and proposed for the reasons stated below. 1) Subscribers of alt.computer.consultants have become concerned with the recent flood of off-topic postings. Many network "newbies" have posted in the group, asking for advise on how to "fix" their broken computers. Frequent off-topic posts have also included solicitations for employment, and job offers. (which are more appropriate to the alt.jobs hierarchies). This new moderated group is intended to open the discussions to consultants of all fields, and discourage off-topic posts (a problem which will continue to plague alt.computer.consultants) 2) The misc hierarchy is carried by more feeds than is the alt hierarchy. By moving to this hierarchy, we hope to increase the number and scope of appropriate posts which our newsgroup receives. 3) As group traffic increases, other subgroups may be considered, including (but not limited to) sub-groups for other classifications of consulting such as: misc.business.consulting.marketplace (job seekers and brokers) misc.business.consulting.computers (field specific) misc.business.consulting.management (field specific) etc.... -------- Charter As stated earlier, this group will specifically be a forum for those discussions concerning the business of consulting. More specifically, this refers to matters such as tax rulings, clarification of accounting treatments, techniques for client management, discussions of ethics, advice for beginning consultants, contract provisions, etc. This should not be taken to totally exclude technical issues from being raised, when they are framed in the context of the business of consulting. This newsgroup would discourage the posting of questions about solving computer specific hardware or software problems, as there are many more appropriate groups in which to post such questions. -------- The Function of the Moderator and Advisory Committee This newsgroup shall have an active moderator, with an advisory committee (co-moderators). It shall be the responsibility of the active moderator to screen postings to the newsgroup, and eliminate those which are: 1) Articles that have no connection to business of consulting (i.e. "How do I fix my Computer") 2) Any message of a direct and commercial nature. This includes postings offering both commercial products, and services. The active moderator shall not screen postings for their intellectual content or argument, nor for their political or ideological content (within the scope of consulting issues). All articles that are rejected will be sent back to the contributor with a short message explaining the reason for rejection. Such rejections may be appealed as outlined below. The advisory committee serve in a back-up capacity, so as to insure continuity during either a temporary or permanent change in the status of the active moderator. In addition, this committee will have the responsibility (along with the active moderator) for voting on appeals of rejected posts, the appointment of new advisors, and the possible removal of a current advisor as outlined below. -------- Appeal of a Rejected Post If a contributor whose post has been rejected wishes to appeal this action, he may forward this appeal and the post in question to the advise committee at [email protected] for a vote. If the majority of voting advisors agrees to overrule the rejection, the article will be sent to the newsgroup. If the post is again rejected, the person appealing the rejection will be sent a summary of the opinions of the advisors. -------- Appointment of New Advisors New advisors will be appointed as necessary through the nomination of an individual by the other advisors. The appointment will require a unanimous vote of all voting advisors to pass. -------- Removal of an Advisor / Re-assignment of Moderator An advisor may be removed or the moderation may be re-assigned for the following reasons: 1) failure to perform the outlined duties of the position 2) a pattern of biased or discriminatory manipulation of postings. Such removal will be made by the formal vote of all participating advisors. A 2/3rds vote in favor of such action will be required for removal. -------- FAQ The group which designed alt.computer.consultant's original FAQ (ACCFAQ list) will continue their responsibility for the development and posting of a frequently asked question (FAQ) file for the new group. -------- This RFD is being posted to the following Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups alt.computer.consultants misc.entrepreneurs All Follow-ups should be directed to: news.groups -------- Author's note This is the first Request For Discussion for this newsgroup. A request for discussion takes no less than 21 days from the time it is first posted to news.announce.newgroups. We will issue at least one updated RFD before that period expires, and possibly more if the proposal changes dramatically. If this RFD has not prompted critical debate, we hope to issue a Call For Votes at the end of the required 21-28 day period. Please note that all discussions should be held in, or cross-posted to news.groups. -- Bob Curtis <[email protected]> From [email protected] Fri Feb 24 18:28:56 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Bob Curtis <[email protected]> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.computer.consultants,misc.entrepreneurs Subject: 2nd RFD: misc.business.consulting Followup-To: news.groups Date: 21 Feb 1995 16:47:51 -0500 Organization: gate.net Lines: 86 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6325 news.groups:135839 alt.computer.consultants:13554 misc.entrepreneurs:35317 There has been a great deal of discussion in the first RFD over the necessity of moderation for the new group misc.business.consulting. The following proposal is for the same group, but with an unmoderated status. *** PROPOSAL *** Group Name: misc.business.consulting Status: Un-moderated Distribution: world Summary: Discussion of issues specifically relating to the business of consulting. Proposed by: Bob Curtis <[email protected]> -------- Purpose This group is meant to provide an organized forum for the discussion and dissemination of information specifically relating to the business of consulting, and proposed for the reasons stated below. 1) This new group is intended to open the discussions to consultants of all fields, and discourage off-topic posts (a problem which will continue to plague alt.computer.consultants) 2) The misc hierarchy is carried by more feeds than is the alt hierarchy. By moving to this hierarchy, we hope to increase the number and scope of appropriate posts which our newsgroup receives. 3) As group traffic increases, other subgroups may be considered, including (but not limited to) sub-groups for other classifications of consulting such as: misc.business.consulting.marketplace (job seekers and brokers) misc.business.consulting.computers (field specific) misc.business.consulting.management (field specific) etc.... -------- Charter As stated earlier, this group will specifically be a forum for those discussions concerning the business of consulting. More specifically, this refers to matters such as tax rulings, clarification of accounting treatments, techniques for client management, discussions of ethics, advice for beginning consultants, contract provisions, etc. This should not be taken to totally exclude technical issues from being raised, when they are framed in the context of the business of consulting. This newsgroup would discourage the posting of questions about solving computer specific hardware or software problems, as there are many more appropriate groups in which to post such questions. -------- FAQ The group which designed alt.computer.consultant's original FAQ (ACCFAQ list) will continue their responsibility for the development and posting of a frequently asked question (FAQ) file for the new group. -------- This RFD is being posted to the following Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups alt.computer.consultants misc.entrepreneurs All Follow-ups should be directed to: news.groups -------- Author's note This is the second Request For Discussion for this newsgroup. The first proposal was for the same group (moderated). Any Request For Discussion takes no less than 21 days from the time it is first posted. We may issue at least one updated RFD before that period expires, and possibly more if the proposal changes dramatically. If this RFD has not prompted critical debate, we hope to issue a Call For Votes at the end of the required 21-28 day period. Please note that all discussions should be held in, or cross-posted to news.groups. -- Bob Curtis <[email protected]> From [email protected] Sat Mar 25 15:07:53 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Bob Curtis) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.computer.consultants,misc.entrepreneurs,misc.entrepreneurs.moderated,misc.business.facilitators Subject: 3rd RFD: misc.business.consulting (moderated) Followup-To: news.groups Date: 25 Mar 1995 14:57:27 -0500 Organization: gate.net Lines: 149 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6502 news.groups:141200 alt.computer.consultants:15194 misc.entrepreneurs:39225 misc.entrepreneurs.moderated:1991 misc.business.facilitators:188 3rd REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION This 3rd RFD is being posted at the request of the moderator of news.announce.newgroups as a prerequisite to a moderated forum. It is similar in most details to the first RFD, posted 1/7/95. Our 2nd RFD - for an unmoderated group (and it's accompanying Straw poll) showed that this group will have much broader support as a moderated forum. This proposal will be the final one for this new group, and a CFV will be issued in about a week for this group in it's _moderated_ form. Thank you all for your patience and participation in the discussions on those prior proposals. Group Name: misc.business.consulting Status: Moderated Distribution: world Summary: Discussion of issues specifically relating to the business of consulting. Moderator: Bob Curtis <[email protected]> Advisory Committee: available collectively as [email protected] Proposed by: Bob Curtis <[email protected]> -------- Purpose This group is meant to provide an organized forum for the discussion and dissemination of information specifically relating to the business of consulting, and proposed for the reasons stated below. 1) Subscribers of alt.computer.consultants have become concerned with the recent flood of off-topic postings. Many network "newbies" have posted in the group, asking for advise on how to "fix" their broken computers. Frequent off-topic posts have also included solicitations for employment, and job offers. (which are more appropriate to the alt.jobs hierarchies). This new moderated group is intended to open the discussions to consultants of all fields, and discourage off-topic posts (a problem which will continue to plague alt.computer.consultants) 2) The misc hierarchy is carried by more feeds than is the alt hierarchy. By moving to this hierarchy, we hope to increase the number and scope of appropriate posts which our newsgroup receives. 3) As group traffic increases, other subgroups may be considered, including (but not limited to) sub-groups for other classifications of consulting such as: misc.business.consulting.marketplace (job seekers and brokers) misc.business.consulting.computers (field specific) misc.business.consulting.management (field specific) etc.... -------- Charter Misc.business.consulting will be a moderated forum for discussions concerning the business issues of consulting. More specifically, this refers to matters such as tax rulings, clarification of accounting treatments, techniques for client management, discussions of ethics, advice for beginning consultants, contract provisions, etc. This should not be taken to totally exclude technical issues from being raised, when they are framed in the context of the business of consulting. This newsgroup will discourage the posting of questions about solving computer-specific hardware or software problems, as there are many more appropriate groups in which to post such questions. Posts concerning solicitations for employment or job offers (which are more appropriate to the *.jobs hierarchies) will also be discouraged. -------- The Function of the Moderator and Advisory Committee This newsgroup shall have an active moderator, with an advisory committee (co-moderators). It shall be the responsibility of the active moderator to screen postings to the newsgroup, and eliminate those which are: 1) Articles that have no connection to business of consulting (i.e. "How do I fix my Computer") 2) Any message of a direct and commercial nature. This includes postings offering both commercial products, and services. The active moderator shall not screen postings for their intellectual content or argument, nor for their political or ideological content (within the scope of consulting issues). All articles that are rejected will be sent back to the contributor with a short message explaining the reason for rejection. Such rejections may be appealed as outlined below. The advisory committee serve in a back-up capacity, so as to insure continuity during either a temporary or permanent change in the status of the active moderator. In addition, this committee will have the responsibility (along with the active moderator) for voting on appeals of rejected posts, the appointment of new advisors, and the possible removal of a current advisor as outlined below. -------- Appeal of a Rejected Post If a contributor whose post has been rejected wishes to appeal this action, he may forward this appeal and the post in question to the advise committee at [email protected] for a vote. If the majority of voting advisors agree to overrule the rejection, the article will then be sent to the newsgroup. -------- Appointment of New Advisors New advisors will be appointed as necessary through the nomination of an individual by the other advisors. The appointment will require a unanimous vote of all voting advisors to pass. -------- Removal of an Advisor / Re-assignment of Moderator An advisor may be removed or the moderation may be re-assigned for the following reasons: 1) failure to perform the outlined duties of the position 2) a pattern of biased or discriminatory manipulation of postings. Such removal will be made by the formal vote of all participating advisors. A 2/3rds vote in favor of such action will be required for removal. -------- FAQ The group which designed alt.computer.consultant's original FAQ (ACCFAQ list) will continue their responsibility for the development and posting of a frequently asked question (FAQ) file for the new group. -------- This RFD is being posted to the following Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups alt.computer.consultants misc.entrepreneurs misc.entrepreneurs.moderated misc.business.facilitators All Follow-ups should be directed to: news.groups -------- Please note that all discussions should be held in, or cross-posted to news.groups. -- Bob Curtis <[email protected]> From [email protected] Tue Apr 4 19:08:26 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Warren Lavallee) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.computer.consultants,misc.entrepreneurs,misc.entrepreneurs.moderated,misc.business.facilitators Subject: CFV: misc.business.consulting moderated Followup-To: poster Date: 3 Apr 1995 16:55:18 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 97 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 25 Apr 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6549 news.groups:143026 alt.computer.consultants:15623 misc.entrepreneurs:40221 misc.entrepreneurs.moderated:2252 misc.business.facilitators:262 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group misc.business.consulting Newsgroups line: misc.business.consulting The business of consulting. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 25 April 1995. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Warren Lavallee <[email protected]>. For questions about the proposed group contact Bob Curtis <[email protected]>. This CFV will be cross posted to: alt.computer.consultants misc.entrepreneurs misc.entrepreneurs.moderated (moderated) misc.business.facilitators and EMailed to: BIZ-WIRE Contact: [email protected] bpr-l Contact: [email protected] List contact: [email protected] (Alexander Verbraeck) CHARTER Misc.business.consulting is a forum for discussions concerning the business issues of consulting. More specifically, this refers to matters such as tax rulings, clarification of accounting treatments, techniques for client management, discussions of ethics, advice for beginning consultants, contract provisions, etc. This should not be taken to totally exclude technical issues from being raised, when they are framed in the context of the business of consulting. This newsgroup will discourage the posting of questions about solving computer-specific hardware or software problems, as there are many more appropriate groups in which to post such questions. Posts concerning solicitations for employment or job offers (which are more appropriate to the *.jobs hierarchies) will also be discouraged. Moderator: Bob Curtis <[email protected]> Submissions address: <[email protected]> Contact address: <[email protected]> MOTIVATION The only existing consultant's group (alt.computer.consultants) has been plagued since it's conception with off-topic posts - by newbies asking for help "fixing" their computers, and adverts which would be more appropriate in the *.jobs hierarchies. This new moderated group is intended to provide an alternative to acc, where consultants from _all_ fields can discuss the business issues pertinent to consulting without sorting through the "noise" of off-topic posts. We have discussed the issue of moderation in two separate RFD's, and followed with a Straw poll. During these discussions, the readers of affected groups have expressed a much broader support for a moderated group than unmoderated. We hope to enjoy a wider propagation with this new group, thereby increasing both the number and scope of appropriate posts. HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. Your mail message should contain one of the following statements: I vote YES on misc.business.consulting I vote NO on misc.business.consulting I vote ABSTAIN on misc.business.consulting I CANCEL my vote on misc.business.consulting Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve only to cancel any previous vote. Abstentions are noted in the final vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely. (This is the only difference between the two.) Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. If you later change your mind you may vote again; only your last valid vote will count. Standard Guidelines for voting apply: no more than one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. If you attempt multiple votes or other vote fraud, all your votes may be canceled and your name published. The complete vote list will be posted with the vote result, including how each person voted. Note that Usenet votes are not done by secret ballot. There will then be a five-day period during which the published vote list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed. The requirements for group creation are 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and 2/3 of all counted votes being YES. From [email protected] Fri Apr 14 17:47:01 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Warren Lavallee) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.computer.consultants,misc.entrepreneurs,misc.entrepreneurs.moderated,misc.business.facilitators Subject: 2nd CFV: misc.business.consulting Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Date: 14 Apr 1995 17:05:49 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 97 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 25 Apr 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]><[email protected]><[email protected]><[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6618 news.groups:144773 alt.computer.consultants:16182 misc.entrepreneurs:41417 misc.entrepreneurs.moderated:2595 misc.business.facilitators:447 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group misc.business.consulting Newsgroups line: misc.business.consulting The business of consulting (Moderated). Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 25 April 1995. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Warren Lavallee <[email protected]>. For questions about the proposed group contact Bob Curtis <[email protected]>. This CFV will be cross posted to: alt.computer.consultants misc.entrepreneurs misc.entrepreneurs.moderated (moderated) misc.business.facilitators and EMailed to: BIZ-WIRE Contact: [email protected] bpr-l Contact: [email protected] List contact: [email protected] (Alexander Verbraeck) CHARTER Misc.business.consulting is a forum for discussions concerning the business issues of consulting. More specifically, this refers to matters such as tax rulings, clarification of accounting treatments, techniques for client management, discussions of ethics, advice for beginning consultants, contract provisions, etc. This should not be taken to totally exclude technical issues from being raised, when they are framed in the context of the business of consulting. This newsgroup will discourage the posting of questions about solving computer-specific hardware or software problems, as there are many more appropriate groups in which to post such questions. Posts concerning solicitations for employment or job offers (which are more appropriate to the *.jobs hierarchies) will also be discouraged. Moderator: Bob Curtis <[email protected]> Submissions address: <[email protected]> Contact address: <[email protected]> MOTIVATION The only existing consultant's group (alt.computer.consultants) has been plagued since it's conception with off-topic posts - by newbies asking for help "fixing" their computers, and adverts which would be more appropriate in the *.jobs hierarchies. This new moderated group is intended to provide an alternative to acc, where consultants from _all_ fields can discuss the business issues pertinent to consulting without sorting through the "noise" of off-topic posts. We have discussed the issue of moderation in two separate RFD's, and followed with a Straw poll. During these discussions, the readers of affected groups have expressed a much broader support for a moderated group than unmoderated. We hope to enjoy a wider propagation with this new group, thereby increasing both the number and scope of appropriate posts. HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. Your mail message should contain one of the following statements: I vote YES on misc.business.consulting I vote NO on misc.business.consulting I vote ABSTAIN on misc.business.consulting I CANCEL my vote on misc.business.consulting Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve only to cancel any previous vote. Abstentions are noted in the final vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely. (This is the only difference between the two.) Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. If you later change your mind you may vote again; only your last valid vote will count. Standard Guidelines for voting apply: no more than one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. If you attempt multiple votes or other vote fraud, all your votes may be canceled and your name published. The complete vote list will be posted with the vote result, including how each person voted. Note that Usenet votes are not done by secret ballot. There will then be a five-day period during which the published vote list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed. The requirements for group creation are 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and 2/3 of all counted votes being YES. From [email protected] Wed Apr 26 19:39:50 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Warren Lavallee) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.computer.consultants,misc.entrepreneurs,misc.entrepreneurs.moderated,misc.business.facilitators Subject: RESULT: misc.business.consulting passes 274:25 Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 26 Apr 1995 15:23:37 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 388 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]><[email protected]><[email protected]><[email protected]><[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6710 news.groups:146421 alt.computer.consultants:16800 misc.entrepreneurs:42776 misc.entrepreneurs.moderated:2694 misc.business.facilitators:614 RESULT moderated group misc.business.consulting passes 274:25 Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : ------------------------------------------- 274 25 : Yes Yes : Yes : misc.business.consulting 3 abstaining votes and 4 invalid votes misc.business.consulting passed on Sat Apr 8 13:02:37 1995 For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the passed group(s) shortly thereafter. Newsgroups Line misc.business.consulting The business of consulting. (Moderated) IRREGULARITY One forged vote was received. It cancelled someone else's vote. I contacted the System Administrator of the system the vote was received >from (In Hawaii), and asked him to check is logs. He told me the forgery was received from a site in Lawrenceville, NJ. I tried to contact the system administrator of that system, and they did not respond. I carefully examined all the votes that were vote changes (5 or so), and any votes that came from the site in NJ (1 vote). I sent mail to the voter from that site, confirming their vote. The 1 forged vote was VOID'ed, and the orignal vote was restored. No biggie, just an hour or two of work on my part. CHARTER Misc.business.consulting is a forum for discussions concerning the business issues of consulting. More specifically, this refers to matters such as tax rulings, clarification of accounting treatments, techniques for client management, discussions of ethics, advice for beginning consultants, contract provisions, etc. This should not be taken to totally exclude technical issues from being raised, when they are framed in the context of the business of consulting. This newsgroup will discourage the posting of questions about solving computer-specific hardware or software problems, as there are many more appropriate groups in which to post such questions. Posts concerning solicitations for employment or job offers (which are more appropriate to the *.jobs hierarchies) will also be discouraged. Moderator: Bob Curtis <[email protected]> Submissions address: <[email protected]> Contact address: <[email protected]> [This collection of addresses is Copyright 1995 by Consultix Computer Services. Permission is strictly NOT given to use this list or any part thereof to make a mailing list, or for mass-mailings. Any other use is fine.] misc.business.consulting Final Vote Ack Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] Alberto Torchio [email protected] Simon Asato [email protected] CAT Barcheck [email protected] Sue Marek [email protected] William G. Buoni Jr. [email protected] Joerg Schuetze [email protected] Advanced business consulting [email protected] Kevin Cunningham [email protected] Paul Lear [email protected] ALAN D. DAYLEY [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Al Naseef [email protected] Andy Daiber [email protected] Steve Davidson [email protected] Amit P. 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