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From [email protected] Fri Oct  9 13:29:48 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2813 news.groups:57587 alt.co-evolution:97 alt.drugs:39077 alt.astrology:2633 alt.pagan:20732 alt.psychoactives:1687 alt.support.cancer:259 misc.fitness:12710 misc.kids:59947 rec.food.veg:22351 sci.med:46557 sci.skeptic:32777 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.co-evolution,alt.drugs,alt.astrology,alt.pagan,alt.psychoactives,alt.support.cancer,misc.fitness,misc.kids,rec.food.veg,sci.med,sci.skeptic Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Peter Kaminski) Subject: RFD: misc.health.alternative Followup-To: news.groups Approved: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:18:26 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> Lines: 92  This is a formal Request for Discussion on the creation of a new newsgroup called "misc.health.alternative", which would be used for the discussion of alternative health care issues.  This RFD grew out of (and supersedes, I believe) an earlier RFD entitled "RFD Alternative Medicine" by Gordon Banks <[email protected]>, article <[email protected]>.  This announcement is cross-posted to newsgroups whose readers may have interest in the discussion about the new group; follow-up discussion will take place in "news.groups".  Suggestions, comments, or problems may also be emailed to me at <[email protected]>.   PROPOSAL:  I propose creation of an unmoderated newsgroup called "misc.health.alternative", a newsgroup for the discussion of health, health care, and therapies which are alternative, complementary, or not commonly accepted by Western scientific medicine.  A main hierarchy was chosen for best propagation; "misc" is the best main hierarchy for a general group about health.  Note that "health" fits in well with the other "misc" groups: "consumers", "education", "fitness", "jobs", "kids", "legal", "taxes", etc.  Possible topics include (but are not limited to) acupuncture, ayurveda, biofeedback, chiropractic, herbalism, holistic medicine, homeopathy, hypnosis, macrobiotics, megavitamin therapy, naturopathy, osteopathy, reflexology, shiatsu, and yoga.   DISCUSSION:  Alternative approaches to health care are clearly of interest to many readers, but there is currently no group in which general non-technical discussions would be appropriate.  Discussions do occur in "sci.med", but are generally counter to that newsgroup's purpose, as readers there have noted.  "sci.skeptic" is an appropriate newsgroup for scientific investigation of alternative therapies, but not for general discussion.  Creation of "misc.health.alternative" would also create by implication the sub-hierarchy "misc.health.*", presumably for discussions about health and health care.  Since there are currently no newsgroups dedicated to general non-technical discussions of health care, creation of additional "misc.health.*" newsgroups might be appropriate, although that discussion is beyond the scope of this RFD.   NEWSGROUP NOT MODERATED:  In the previous RFD, some posters wondered if such an alternative health newsgroup should be moderated, since some of the material presented may be controversial.  I believe moderation is not necessary, and that there will be enough on-topic discussion to drown out the (probably inevitable) flames.  Flames, name-calling, and abusive behavior in general (from either side) will be discouraged, but constructive criticisms and arguments will be encouraged, with the caveat that "misc.health.alternative" is to be a generally non-technical discussion group.  ("sci.skeptic" or "sci.med" would be more appropriate for extended technical discussions, but technical discussions would be welcome in "misc.health.alternative", as well.)  Scientific proof or verificability of facts will *not* be required in "misc.health.alternative", although posters should keep their credibility in mind.  Even though verificability will not be required, posters are urged to post only what they believe to be true, and to post or be prepared to post citations, references, sources, etc.   SUMMARY:  "misc.health.alternative", unmoderated, would provide an appropriate forum for general non-technical discussions of alternative approaches to health care.  Presuming no problems arise during the RFD period, a Call for Votes (CFV) for this newsgroup will be posted to the same newsgroups to which this announcement was posted.  Email addresses for voting will be included in the CFV post, and the voting period will run for 31 days.  After the voting period, if 100 more valid "YES/create" vote are received than "NO/don't create" AND at least 2/3 of the total number of valid votes received are in favor of creation, the newsgroup will be created.  Thanks for your interest! --  Peter Kaminski [email protected]  From [email protected] Fri Nov 13 07:58:34 1992 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.co-evolution,alt.drugs,alt.astrology,alt.pagan,alt.psychoactives,alt.support.cancer,misc.fitness,misc.kids,rec.food.veg,sci.med,sci.skeptic Path: uunet!uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Peter Kaminski) Subject: CFV: misc.health.alternative Followup-To: poster Approved: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 10:15:48 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> Lines: 119 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2947 news.groups:60357 alt.co-evolution:152 alt.drugs:40699 alt.astrology:3019 alt.pagan:22805 alt.psychoactives:1841 alt.support.cancer:286 misc.fitness:13356 misc.kids:62988 rec.food.veg:23380 sci.med:48887 sci.skeptic:34757  This is the official CALL FOR VOTES regarding the creation of a new newsgroup, misc.health.alternative.  This message may be redistributed freely; please distribute it to whomever you think may be interested, or have them request their own copy by email from <[email protected]>.  SUMMARY:  Name:    misc.health.alternative Purpose: Alternative, complementary and holistic health care. Status:  unmoderated  Voting period:  12 Nov 1992 through 12 Dec 1992 Voting address: [email protected] Vote yes with:  vote misc.health.alternative yes Vote no with:   vote misc.health.alternative no   VOTING INSTRUCTIONS:  The voting period is from Thursday, 12-Nov-1992 00:00 GMT through Saturday, 12-Dec-1992 23:59 GMT.  In order to vote for or against this newsgroup, you must send an email message to <[email protected]>.  If you wish, you may reply to this article, and your reply will automatically be emailed to <[email protected]>.  Your email message should contain one of the following two lines, either in the Subject or body of the message:          vote misc.health.alternative yes         vote misc.health.alternative no   The first line registers a vote for the creation of the newsgroup. The second line registers a vote against the creation of the newsgroup.  Any unambiguous vote received will be counted, even if it does not contain the suggested text.  Ambiguous votes will NOT be counted.  A vote may be ambiguous because it does not refer to misc.health.alternative, does not contain one and only one of "yes" or "no" (or their synonyms), or includes a conditional such as "I vote ... if ...".  Multiple voting messages from the same person must be sent from the same address.  If multiple votes are received from the same person, only the last vote received is counted.  Votes posted to any newsgroup will not be counted.  If you have any problem with voting, you can get help by sending email to <[email protected]> or <[email protected]>.   CHARTER AND INTRODUCTION FOR MISC.HEALTH.ALTERNATIVE:  IMPORTANT NOTICES -- READ THESE -------------------------------  Reading messages on misc.health.alternative cannot substitute for seeing your doctor.  If you are ill, or concerned about a medical problem, go to a doctor or other qualified, licensed health care practitioner.  Usenet is NOT an appropriate medium to diagnose, prescribe for, or treat any medical condition.  misc.health.alternative is a forum for general discussion of alternative health care.  NOTHING POSTED TO MISC.HEALTH.ALTERNATIVE SHOULD EVER BE CONSTRUED AS PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL ADVICE INTENDED FOR PARTICULAR INDIVIDUALS.  NO DOCTOR-PATIENT RELATIONSHIP, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, SHALL BE CONVEYED BY MESSAGES IN THIS NEWSGROUP.  Remember that anyone can post anything to Usenet.  Messages are NOT checked or verified for accuracy or validity by anyone before being automatically distributed to readers.  Before taking any action because of a message posted to Usenet, verify the information in it with a reliable source, such as your health care professional.  When you post to misc.health.alternative, remember that you are fully responsible for the content of your messages.  Post responsibly.  Messages which are specifically disallowed in misc.health.alternative: commercial or for-profit messages; announcements of professional products or services (even if they are allowed elsewhere on Usenet); diagnoses, prescriptions or treatments for a specific individual; and fraudulent or illegal messages.   CHARTER -------  misc.health.alternative is a newsgroup for general non-technical discussion (pro *and* con) of health care and therapies which are alternative, complementary, or not commonly accepted by Western scientific medicine.  Appropriate topics include (but are not limited to): acupuncture, Alexander technique, alternative cancer therapies, aromatherapy, ayurveda, chiropractic, color therapy, healing, herbalism, holistic dentistry, holistic medicine, homeopathy, hypnosis, iridology, macrobiotics, meditation, megavitamin therapy, midwifery, naturopathy, natural vision improvement (Bates method, etc.), osteopathy, radiesthesia, reflexology, shiatsu and do-in, traditional medicine (Arab, Chinese, Native American, etc.), and yoga.  Flames, name-calling, and abusive behavior in general (from either side) are not welcome, but constructive criticisms and arguments are encouraged, with the caveat that misc.health.alternative is to be a generally non-technical consumer level discussion group.  May happiness and health be with you! --  Peter Kaminski [email protected] [email protected]  From [email protected] Tue Dec  1 22:31:23 1992 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Peter Kaminski) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.co-evolution,alt.drugs,alt.astrology,alt.pagan,alt.psychoactives,alt.support.cancer,misc.fitness,misc.kids,rec.food.veg,sci.med,sci.skeptic Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: misc.health.alternative Followup-To: poster Date: 1 Dec 1992 13:43:32 -0500 Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California Lines: 436 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3003 news.groups:62152 alt.co-evolution:156 alt.drugs:41380 alt.astrology:3133 alt.pagan:23644 alt.psychoactives:1895 alt.support.cancer:315 misc.fitness:13594 misc.kids:64061 rec.food.veg:23883 sci.med:49761 sci.skeptic:35833  This is the SECOND CALL FOR VOTES and mass vote acknowledgement regarding the creation of a new newsgroup, misc.health.alternative.  At the end of this message is a list of all addresses from which votes have been received so far (Fri, 27 Nov 1992 19:00 GMT).  To skip to that section, search for "Vote Ack".  Email <[email protected]> or <[email protected]> with any questions or problems.  Voting will continue through Sat, 12 Dec 1992.  This message may be redistributed freely; please distribute it to whomever you think may be interested, or have them request their own copy by email from <[email protected]>.  SUMMARY:  Name:    misc.health.alternative Purpose: Alternative, complementary and holistic health care. Status:  unmoderated  Voting period:  12 Nov 1992 through 12 Dec 1992 Voting address: [email protected] Vote yes with:  vote misc.health.alternative yes Vote no with:   vote misc.health.alternative no   VOTING INSTRUCTIONS:  The voting period is from Thursday, 12-Nov-1992 00:00 GMT through Saturday, 12-Dec-1992 23:59 GMT.  In order to vote for or against this newsgroup, you must send an email message to <[email protected]>.  If you wish, you may reply to this article, and your reply will automatically be emailed to <[email protected]>.  Your email message should contain one of the following two lines, either in the Subject or body of the message:          vote misc.health.alternative yes         vote misc.health.alternative no   The first line registers a vote for the creation of the newsgroup. The second line registers a vote against the creation of the newsgroup.  Any unambiguous vote received will be counted, even if it does not contain the suggested text.  Ambiguous votes will NOT be counted.  A vote may be ambiguous because it does not refer to misc.health.alternative, does not contain one and only one of "yes" or "no" (or their synonyms), or includes a conditional such as "I vote ... if ...".  Multiple voting messages from the same person must be sent from the same address.  If multiple votes are received from the same person, only the last vote received is counted.  Votes posted to any newsgroup will not be counted.  If you have any problem with voting, you can get help by sending email to <[email protected]> or <[email protected]>.   CHARTER AND INTRODUCTION FOR MISC.HEALTH.ALTERNATIVE:  IMPORTANT NOTICES -- READ THESE -------------------------------  Reading messages on misc.health.alternative cannot substitute for seeing your doctor.  If you are ill, or concerned about a medical problem, go to a doctor or other qualified, licensed health care practitioner.  Usenet is NOT an appropriate medium to diagnose, prescribe for, or treat any medical condition.  misc.health.alternative is a forum for general discussion of alternative health care.  NOTHING POSTED TO MISC.HEALTH.ALTERNATIVE SHOULD EVER BE CONSTRUED AS PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL ADVICE INTENDED FOR PARTICULAR INDIVIDUALS.  NO DOCTOR-PATIENT RELATIONSHIP, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, SHALL BE CONVEYED BY MESSAGES IN THIS NEWSGROUP.  Remember that anyone can post anything to Usenet.  Messages are NOT checked or verified for accuracy or validity by anyone before being automatically distributed to readers.  Before taking any action because of a message posted to Usenet, verify the information in it with a reliable source, such as your health care professional.  When you post to misc.health.alternative, remember that you are fully responsible for the content of your messages.  Post responsibly.  Messages which are specifically disallowed in misc.health.alternative: commercial or for-profit messages; announcements of professional products or services (even if they are allowed elsewhere on Usenet); diagnoses, prescriptions or treatments for a specific individual; and fraudulent or illegal messages.   CHARTER -------  misc.health.alternative is a newsgroup for general non-technical discussion (pro *and* con) of health care and therapies which are alternative, complementary, or not commonly accepted by Western scientific medicine.  Appropriate topics include (but are not limited to): acupuncture, Alexander technique, alternative cancer therapies, aromatherapy, ayurveda, chiropractic, color therapy, healing, herbalism, holistic dentistry, holistic medicine, homeopathy, hypnosis, iridology, macrobiotics, meditation, megavitamin therapy, midwifery, naturopathy, natural vision improvement (Bates method, etc.), osteopathy, radiesthesia, reflexology, shiatsu and do-in, traditional medicine (Arab, Chinese, Native American, etc.), and yoga.  Flames, name-calling, and abusive behavior in general (from either side) are not welcome, but constructive criticisms and arguments are encouraged, with the caveat that misc.health.alternative is to be a generally non-technical consumer level discussion group.   Vote Acknowledgement ====================  Duplicate votes were received from these addresses, all apparently due to mailer errors.  Only the last vote received from each address will be counted:  <[email protected]> Antti Kivivalli (alizard) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Kathy Brunet <[email protected]> (Linda Kaplan) <[email protected]>  These are the addresses from which valid votes for or against the creation of misc.health.alternative have been received so far (Fri, 27 Nov 1992 19:00 GMT).  They are sorted by user mailbox names.  <[email protected]> (That Guy) <[email protected]> Norman Patch <[email protected]> PH STERN <[email protected]> (Abhay Bulsari VT) <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> (Barry H. Rodin) <[email protected]> "alan jaffray" <[email protected]> Antti Kivivalli <[email protected]> acapella (alizard) <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> (Amy McNulty) <[email protected]> (Andrea Frankel) <[email protected]> (Andre Lacroix) <[email protected]> (Ann Terese Heil) <[email protected]> (Darlene Vandever) <[email protected]> Arne Henrik Juul <[email protected]> "astallon.US1" <[email protected]>   (SignalMan)  (Avery Ray Colter) <[email protected]> (avi zelmanov) <[email protected]> (Ed Bailey) <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> (Barry Kapke) <[email protected]> "BRUCE B. LEROY" <[email protected]> Barry J Burns <[email protected]> (Bernard A Tilson) <[email protected]> (Beth Schwindt) <[email protected]> Bill Garland <[email protected]> (Bill McCormick) <[email protected]> (Mike E. Romano) <[email protected]> Bob Williams <[email protected]> (Rock Gardener) <[email protected]> Kathy Brunet <[email protected]> (Bernie Simon) <[email protected]> "Bartley R. Troyan" <[email protected]> (Martin Bublitz) <[email protected]> (Bud Jordan) <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> (Franco Bussani) [email protected]>  <[email protected]> Johanne Kaminski <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> Rex Croft <[email protected]> Charles Shub <[email protected]> (Craig D Rice) <[email protected]> "Ghosts and goblins are my friends,and Fairies dance bes <[email protected]> Leonard Cho <[email protected]> "Carol J. Hughes" <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> Chris Marble <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> "Ofer Inbar" <[email protected]> LOU CRAGO <[email protected]> (Cameron Price) <[email protected]> (Chris) <[email protected]> (Daan Nagtegaal) <[email protected]> David Paschall-Zimbel <[email protected]> "Fred Davidson, DEIL, UIUC" <[email protected]> BRAGG <[email protected]> (Delia DeCrosta) <[email protected]> (Ben Delisle) <[email protected]> The Integral Differential <[email protected]> Dharamsi Shah <[email protected]> Paul Diaguila 904/488-0911 (dick) <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> (David J Betty) <[email protected]> (David Jordan) <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> (David Barton) <[email protected]> (Daniel S. Lewart) <[email protected]> (Donna Laurents) <[email protected]> "Sean Donahoe" <[email protected]> (Doug Crompton) <[email protected]> (David Huelsbeck) <[email protected]> (John Draut) <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> (David Windsor) <[email protected]> (Eric C. S. Dynamic) <[email protected]> (Ed Watkeys) <[email protected]> (Evelyn Mitchell) <[email protected]> "Eric J. Olson" <[email protected]> (E. Kirby 5-3524) <[email protected]> "Lee Newman (814) 865-1818" <[email protected]> Greg Franklin <[email protected]>  [email protected]> pena arvela <[email protected]> "Melony Fender" <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> (Mike Francois) <[email protected]> Paulo Frank <[email protected]> "ANDREA B. SCHULMAN" <[email protected]> (Gary Truax) <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> (Gordon Banks) <[email protected]> "George Paap" <[email protected]> (Gregory G. Woodbury) <[email protected]> (Jeff Gleixner) <[email protected]> Gregg Mack <[email protected]> "Graham (G.S.) Ashby" <[email protected]> (Gregg Zupcsics) <[email protected]> "Chauncey T Griggs-1" <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> (Gary S. Trujillo) <[email protected]> Aloke Gupta <[email protected]> Hamid Homayoyni <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> Heather Trumbower <[email protected]> (Heinz Herbeck) <[email protected]>  (hkaram) <[email protected]> (Hasnain Karampurwala) <[email protected]> Richard Hoffman <[email protected]> Terri Huggett <[email protected]> Brenda J Huie <[email protected]> "Haydn Huntley" <[email protected]> Cord <[email protected]> (Sum Dum Guy) <[email protected]> "Douglas M. Howell" <[email protected]> J Lee Jaap <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  (janet) <[email protected]> (Janet Jakstys) <[email protected]> J P Blackwood <[email protected]> Jeffrey CHANCE <[email protected]> jean reese <[email protected]> Jon Farr <[email protected]> (John De Armond) <[email protected]> Joe Keane <[email protected]> (John Angelo Gnassi) <[email protected]> (John Hawkinson) (jil) <[email protected]> (Jamie Lubin) <[email protected]> (Jim Kresse) <[email protected]> (Jim Mitchell) <[email protected]> James A. Lundon DTN 822-415 16-Nov-1992 1445 <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> Joel Sandpiper Noble [email protected]> (Johannes Beekhuizen) <[email protected]> (Disk Claimer) <[email protected]> Jill P Stutzman <[email protected]> James Vincent Schultz <[email protected]> Julie Snellgrove <[email protected]> Joseph Troxel <[email protected]> (John J. Werst) <[email protected]> "James D. Zelenka" <[email protected]> (Katie Hynes) (karenm) <[email protected]> (Karen Millar) <[email protected]> grukpoco <[email protected]> Kayvan Sylvan <[email protected]> (Kenneth East) <[email protected]> (AVERY KENYTT) <[email protected]> (Kerri Brewster) <[email protected]> (Kevin Sven Berg) <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> Karolen I. Paularena <[email protected]> (Aniruddha Kortikar) <[email protected]> (Bernd Kostka) <[email protected]> (Laura Ann Guillette) <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> (LEEANN WENTZELL) <[email protected]> Joel B Levin <[email protected]> (Kuo Yu-Shen) (lizk) <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> (sine nomine) <[email protected]> (Lynn Mueller Canaday) <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> "L. M. P. McPherson" <[email protected]> "Tina M. Wood" <[email protected]> Mark Moraes <[email protected]> (Wendy Marlett) <[email protected]> (Martin Betz) <[email protected]> (Malcolm Austin) <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> Brian McCashin (mccluerj) <[email protected]> (John McCluer) <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> (Aidan McDevitt) <[email protected]> (Ken McGlothlen) <[email protected]> Robert McGrath <[email protected]> Meg Sisson <[email protected]> Melissa Queen - Comp Eng <[email protected]> Michele Evard <[email protected]> Marshall Gilula <[email protected]>  (michael)  Michael Bryan <[email protected]> Michele Lord <[email protected]> Michael Quinn <[email protected]> "M.L.M.Veraart" <[email protected]> Tom Molnar <[email protected]> (Stephen Cristol) <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> (David Muir Sharnoff) <[email protected]> (Naomi Diesendruck) (ndallen)  (Nigel Allen) <[email protected]> Sheldon Nicholl <[email protected]> Lisa Nielsen <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> (Robbin Huls) <[email protected]> (Noelie Alito)  (Jon Noring) <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> "David A. Nye MD" <[email protected]> Outi Maria Hallia <[email protected]> (Asa Packer) (Party) <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> Paula Burch <[email protected]> (Pete Norton) <[email protected]> (Pierre Gauvin) <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> (Chris Phillips) <[email protected]> (Paul E. Hoffman) <[email protected]> Brad Pierce <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> (Philippe Lebrun) <[email protected]> "Daniel (D.) Poirier" <[email protected]> "Ian Poulin, CCIT User Support" <[email protected]> (Christopher Brian Pound) <[email protected]> (Linda Kaplan) <[email protected]> Joshua Randall <[email protected]> (Felix Rauch) <[email protected]> Karen Prestemon <[email protected]> "Robert E. Schmieg"  (Robbie Felix) <[email protected]> (Dick Polits) <[email protected]> "C. Richter" <[email protected]> (Richard H. Miller) <[email protected]> Tim Rigg <[email protected]> (Rhoshel Krystyna Lenroot) <[email protected]> (Robert K Nichols) <[email protected]> (Rodney Peck) <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> Ruthann Schmidt <[email protected]> (Russell McFatter) <[email protected]> (Ruth Blackburn) <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> Sally Bates <[email protected]> (Mark Sandrock) <[email protected]> Arun Meda Sannuti <[email protected]> "Susan B. Lavernge CPS" <[email protected]> Scott Ballantyne <[email protected]> "Matt T. Senft" <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> (Stephanie Moskal Fysh) <[email protected]> Sanjay Gajare <[email protected]> (timothy shimeall) (skadams) <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> Seth L. Blumberg <[email protected]> "Stephen A. Leask" <[email protected]> Marc Moorcroft <[email protected]> Lawrence C Smith <[email protected]> (Mikael Parknert) <[email protected]> "Kate Wilson, [email protected]" <[email protected]> (John Spies) <[email protected]> (Dahlia van Gelder) <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> (Stacy Purcell ~) <[email protected]> Sridhar Venkataraman <[email protected]> Jude <[email protected]> (Steve Schlaifer) <[email protected]> (Steve Rehfuss) <[email protected]> (Rob Strom) <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> "Sven M. Heinicke" <[email protected]> (Jonas Andersson) <[email protected]> (Tarl Neustaedter) <[email protected]> Terilyn Gillespie [email protected]> (Ted Koppel) <[email protected]> Tod Kemper <[email protected]> Tom Limoncelli <[email protected]> Tommy Williams <[email protected]> (Leonard H. Tower Jr.) <[email protected]> Toshi Takeuchi <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> Peter Cox <[email protected]> Matthias Urlichs <[email protected]> (Jeff) <[email protected]> "Kathy Waddell SC/277-0911 OR (904)487-0911" <[email protected]> (WA Office of Higher Education) <[email protected]> (John Werner) <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> (Christopher M. Conway) <[email protected]> (Glen Worstell) <[email protected]> Bill Baker <[email protected]> (Wayne Sonnen) <[email protected]> Dale Wyttenbach <[email protected]> (Y. Ho(S.Kennedy)) <[email protected]>   Thanks for voting, and may happiness and health be with you! --  Peter Kaminski [email protected] [email protected]  From [email protected] Mon Dec 14 20:31:21 1992 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Peter Kaminski) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.co-evolution,alt.drugs,alt.astrology,alt.pagan,alt.psychoactives,alt.support.cancer,misc.fitness,misc.kids,rec.food.veg,sci.med,sci.skeptic Subject: RESULT: misc.health.alternative passes 356:64 Followup-To: news.groups Date: 14 Dec 1992 20:23:53 -0500 Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California Lines: 513 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: [email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3057 news.groups:63192 alt.co-evolution:159 alt.drugs:42105 alt.astrology:3220 alt.pagan:24258 alt.psychoactives:2001 alt.support.cancer:336 misc.fitness:13943 misc.kids:65066 rec.food.veg:24208 sci.med:50543 sci.skeptic:36615  VOTE RESULTS for misc.health.alternative:  Voting closed at 23:59 GMT 12 December 1992.  A total of 420 valid votes were received; 356 were "yes", in favor of group creation and 64 were "no".  If there are no major corrections to the vote during the mandatory 5 day waiting period, the newsgroup will be created.  Thanks to all who voted!   SUMMARY:  Name:    misc.health.alternative Purpose: Alternative, complementary and holistic health care. Status:  unmoderated  Total votes: 420   YES votes: 356    NO votes:  64  84.8% of the votes were in favor (66.7% required). 292 more YES votes were received than NO votes (100 required).  There will be a 5 day waiting period for any corrections to the vote. If no serious objections that might invalidate the vote arise during the waiting period, misc.health.alternative will be newgrouped by the new.announce.newgroups moderator.  Please send any questions or comments about the vote or the newsgroup to <[email protected]> or <[email protected]>.   VOTE TALLY:  Conditional Yes Vote (not counted): <[email protected]> (Patricia M. Burson)  Duplicate Votes (not counted): <[email protected]> Antti Kivivalli (alizard) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Bruce Stephens <[email protected]> Kathy Brunet <[email protected]> (george scora) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Ori Gottlieb) <[email protected]> (Linda Kaplan) <[email protected]> (Simon Parkinson) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (WA Office of Higher Education)  No Votes (64): <[email protected]> (Andrew Finkenstadt) <[email protected]> Arne Henrik Juul <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Atro S Tossavainen) <[email protected]> (Ed Bailey) <[email protected]> "John Berryhill"@udel.edu, "Ph.D." (briand)  Brian Dickson <[email protected]> (Martin Bublitz) <[email protected]> Charles Shub <[email protected]> (Carl Rigney) <[email protected]> Chris Marble <[email protected]> <[email protected]> "Ofer Inbar" <[email protected]> The Integral Differential (dick) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (David Barton) <[email protected]> (Daniel S. Lewart) [email protected]> David E. Goggin <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Ed Watkeys) <[email protected]> "Eric J. Olson" <[email protected]> (Ed McGuire) <[email protected]> "James E. Ferguson CSC Sydney, Australia." <[email protected]> (Jeff Gleixner) <[email protected]> Gregg Mack <[email protected]> "digital dave, 927-1052" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (John De Armond) <[email protected]> James Vincent Schultz <[email protected]> "James D. Zelenka" <[email protected]> Brian Kenney <[email protected]> (AVERY KENYTT) <[email protected]> Joel B Levin <[email protected]> Joe LoCicero <[email protected]> (Malcolm Austin) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Ken McGlothlen) <[email protected]> Robert McGrath <[email protected]> (mjn) <[email protected]> (Murray Nesbitt) <[email protected]> (Chris Phillips) <[email protected]> (Joel Plutchak) <[email protected]> "Ian Poulin, CCIT User Support" <[email protected]> Joshua Randall <[email protected]> "Robert E. Schmieg" <[email protected]> (Richard H. Miller) <[email protected]> Tim Rigg <[email protected]> ROSEN Dan <[email protected]> (Russell McFatter) <[email protected]> "Dave V. Schaller" <[email protected]> Scott Ballantyne <[email protected]> "Matt T. Senft" <[email protected]> (timothy shimeall) <[email protected]> Marc Moorcroft <[email protected]> Lawrence C Smith <[email protected]> (Mikael Parknert) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Steve Rehfuss) <[email protected]> (Rob Strom) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> "Sven M. Heinicke" [email protected]> (Ted Koppel) <[email protected]>  Yes Votes (356): <[email protected]> (That Guy) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Norman Patch <[email protected]> PH STERN <[email protected]> (Abhay Bulsari VT) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Barry H. Rodin) <[email protected]> "alan jaffray" <[email protected]> Antti Kivivalli <[email protected]> acapella (alizard) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Andrew LM Shalit) <[email protected]> (Amy McNulty) <[email protected]> (Andrea Frankel) <[email protected]> (Andre Lacroix) <[email protected]> Andrew Schaffner <[email protected]> (Angela Morgan) <[email protected]> (Ann Terese Heil) <[email protected]> Anne Messenger <[email protected]> (Darlene Vandever) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> "astallon.US1" <[email protected]> (SignalMan) <[email protected]> (Avery Ray Colter) <[email protected]> (avi zelmanov) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Barry Kapke) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> "BRUCE B. LEROY" <[email protected]> Barry J Burns <[email protected]> (Bruce Davis) <[email protected]> (Bernard A Tilson) <[email protected]> (Beth Schwindt) <[email protected]> (Susan Biddlecomb) <[email protected]> Bill Garland <[email protected]> (Bill McCormick) <[email protected]> (Mike E. Romano) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Bob Sheppard) <[email protected]> Bob Williams <[email protected]> (Rock Gardener) <[email protected]> (Brent J. Krawchuk) <[email protected]> Bruce Stephens <[email protected]> Kathy Brunet <[email protected]> (Bernie Simon) <[email protected]> "Bartley R. Troyan" <[email protected]> (Bud Jordan) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Franco Bussani) <[email protected]> (Bill Walther) <[email protected]> [email protected]> <[email protected]> Johanne Kaminski <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Rex Croft <[email protected]> "Pat Mitchell, Help Desk" <[email protected]> (Craig D Rice) <[email protected]> "Ghosts and goblins are my friends,and Fairies dance bes <[email protected]> (Victor Scott Rose) <[email protected]> (Charles van Duren) <[email protected]> Leonard Cho <[email protected]> "Carol J. Hughes" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Pope Clifton) <[email protected]> (Cyndi Norman) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> LOU CRAGO <[email protected]> (Cameron Price) <[email protected]> (Chris) <[email protected]> (Daan Nagtegaal) <[email protected]> (David Adams) <[email protected]> Deborah Wagner 3621 <[email protected]> (Richard Darsie) <[email protected]> David Paschall-Zimbel <[email protected]> David Schwantner <[email protected]> "Fred Davidson, DEIL, UIUC" <[email protected]> BRAGG <[email protected]> (Dean Alaska) <[email protected]> (Delia DeCrosta) <[email protected]> (Ben Delisle) <[email protected]> Dharamsi Shah <[email protected]> Paul Diaguila 904/488-0911 <[email protected]> (David J Betty) <[email protected]> (David Jordan) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Donna Laurents) <[email protected]> (Doak Heyser) <[email protected]> "Sean Donahoe" <[email protected]> (Doug Crompton) <[email protected]> (David Huelsbeck) <[email protected]> (John Draut) <[email protected]> Rebecca Drayer <[email protected]> (Mark J. Dumic) <[email protected]> (David Windsor) <[email protected]> "Robert O. Johnson" <[email protected]> Erik Bailey <[email protected]> (Alexander Kasman 6317) <[email protected]> (Eric C. S. Dynamic) <[email protected]> (Evelyn Mitchell) <[email protected]> (E. Kirby 5-3524) <[email protected]> (Ed Ravin) <[email protected]> "Lee Newman (814) 865-1818" <[email protected]> Greg Franklin <[email protected]> [email protected]> pena arvela <[email protected]> (Cheryl Owen) <[email protected]> "Melony Fender" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Mike Francois) <[email protected]> Paulo Frank <[email protected]> (Carol Anne Ogdin) <[email protected]> "ANDREA B. SCHULMAN" <[email protected]> MATTHEW KAPHAN <[email protected]> (Gail Marie Francisco) <[email protected]> (Gary Truax) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Gordon Banks) <[email protected]> (George B. Clark) <[email protected]> "George Paap" <[email protected]> (Gregory G. Woodbury) [email protected]> (Alexander Gerasimenko) <[email protected]> Angelo Gountis <[email protected]> (Greg Pivarnik) <[email protected]> "Graham (G.S.) Ashby" <[email protected]> (Gregg Zupcsics) <[email protected]> Neil Edward Gretsky <[email protected]> "Chauncey T Griggs-1" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (george scora) <[email protected]> (Gary S. Trujillo) <[email protected]> Aloke Gupta <[email protected]> Roger Tang <[email protected]> Hamid Homayoyni <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Matthew Hawley) <[email protected]> Heather Trumbower <[email protected]> (Heinz Herbeck) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (hkaram) <[email protected]> (Hasnain Karampurwala) <[email protected]> Richard Hoffman <[email protected]> (Hans-Peter Stoerr) <[email protected]> Terri Huggett <[email protected]> Brenda J Huie <[email protected]> "Haydn Huntley" <[email protected]> Cord <[email protected]> (Sum Dum Guy) <[email protected]> "Douglas M. Howell" <[email protected]> J Lee Jaap <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (janet) <[email protected]> (Janet Jakstys) <[email protected]> J P Blackwood <[email protected]> Joan Boorstein <[email protected]> Jeffrey CHANCE <[email protected]> jean reese <[email protected]> Jon Farr <[email protected]> Joe Keane <[email protected]> (John Angelo Gnassi) <[email protected]> (John Hawkinson) (jil) <[email protected]> (Jamie Lubin) <[email protected]> (Jim Kresse) <[email protected]> (Jim Mitchell) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> James A. Lundon DTN 822-415 16-Nov-1992 1445 <[email protected]> John Mather <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Joel Sandpiper Noble <[email protected]> (Johannes Beekhuizen) (john) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Disk Claimer) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Jill P Stutzman <[email protected]> Julie Snellgrove <[email protected]> Joseph Troxel <[email protected]> (John J. Werst) <[email protected]> (Katie Hynes) <[email protected]> (George S Kardaras) (karenm) <[email protected]> (Karen Millar) <[email protected]> grukpoco <[email protected]> Kayvan Sylvan <[email protected]> (Kenneth East) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Kerri Brewster) <[email protected]> (Kevin Sven Berg) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Karolen I. Paularena <[email protected]> (Aniruddha Kortikar) <[email protected]> (Bernd Kostka) <[email protected]> (Wes Kranitz 4-6857 MRCE) <[email protected]> (Krista J Anderson) <[email protected]> (Laura Ann Guillette) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (LEEANN WENTZELL) <[email protected]> (Leo) <[email protected]> (Lesley Johansson) <[email protected]> (Kuo Yu-Shen) <[email protected]> (Liz Derr) <[email protected]> (Liz Knittel) <[email protected]> (sine nomine) <[email protected]> (Lynn Mueller Canaday) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> "L. M. P. McPherson" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> "Eric J. Lorenzo" <[email protected]> Lewis Taylor <[email protected]> (Hugh Pritchard) <[email protected]> "Tina M. Wood" <[email protected]> Mark Moraes <[email protected]> (Wendy Marlett) <[email protected]> (Martin Betz) <[email protected]> (Mary Malmros) <[email protected]> (Max J. Rochlin) <[email protected]> Brian McCashin (mccluerj) <[email protected]> (John McCluer) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Aidan McDevitt) <[email protected]> "PROFOUND STATEMENT : A CAT IS A CAT ONL <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Meg Sisson <[email protected]> Melissa Queen - Comp Eng <[email protected]> Michele Evard <[email protected]> Marshall Gilula <[email protected]> Micah Anderson (michael)  Michael Bryan <[email protected]> Michele Lord <[email protected]> Michael Quinn <[email protected]> "M.L.M.Veraart" <[email protected]> Tom Molnar <[email protected]> (Nora M. Johnson) <[email protected]> Alloy Serving Woman <[email protected]> (Stephen Cristol) <[email protected]> Michael R Linksvayer <[email protected]> <[email protected]> "Michael S. McLean" <[email protected]> Mary Terhune <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (David Muir Sharnoff) <[email protected]> Michael Hamilton Walker <[email protected]> (Et1 Blines) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Naomi Diesendruck) (ndallen)  (Nigel Allen) <[email protected]> U-E59382-David Neal (nelius) <[email protected]> (Diane Nelius) <[email protected]> Sheldon Nicholl <[email protected]> Lisa Nielsen <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Robbin Huls) <[email protected]> (Noelie Alito) <[email protected]> (Jon Noring) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Nancy Milligan) <[email protected]> "David A. Nye MD" <[email protected]> Outi Maria Hallia <[email protected]> (Ori Gottlieb) <[email protected]> (Asa Packer) (pacoid) <[email protected]> (Paco Xander Nathan) <[email protected]> Paivi Helena Hyvarinen (Party) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Paula Burch <[email protected]> (Pete Norton) <[email protected]> (Pierre Gauvin) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Paul E. Hoffman) <[email protected]> Brad Pierce <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Philippe Lebrun) <[email protected]> "Daniel (D.) Poirier" <[email protected]> (Christopher Brian Pound) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Linda Kaplan) <[email protected]> (Gokhale Rajendra V ) <[email protected]> (Felix Rauch) <[email protected]> RAVEN Winter <[email protected]> (R. Gudi) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> ROSS BARCLAY <[email protected]> Lee Ann <[email protected]> Rekha Bhandarkar <[email protected]> Karen Prestemon <[email protected]> (Robbie Felix) <[email protected]> (Dick Polits) <[email protected]> "C. Richter" <[email protected]> (Rhoshel Krystyna Lenroot) <[email protected]> (Robert K Nichols) <[email protected]> (Walter Roberson) <[email protected]> (Rodney Peck) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (R. P. White) <[email protected]> Ruthann Schmidt <[email protected]> (ruman) <[email protected]> (Ruth Blackburn) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> BOB VOGEL <[email protected]> Sally Bates <[email protected]> sandra smith <[email protected]> (Mark Sandrock) <[email protected]> Arun Meda Sannuti <[email protected]> "Susan B. Lavernge CPS" <[email protected]> "Suzanne Chiles " <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Stephanie Moskal Fysh) <[email protected]> Sanjay Gajare <[email protected]> Shava Nerad Averett <[email protected]> (David Shreeve) (skadams) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Seth L. Blumberg <[email protected]> "Stephen A. Leask" <[email protected]> (Simon Parkinson) <[email protected]> "Kate Wilson, [email protected]" <[email protected]> (John Spies) <[email protected]> (Dahlia van Gelder) <[email protected]> (Stacy Purcell ~) <[email protected]> Sridhar Venkataraman <[email protected]> (Shannon Smith) <[email protected]> Jude <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Steve Schlaifer) <[email protected]> (S A Date) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Jonas Andersson) <[email protected]> (Tarl Neustaedter) <[email protected]> Terilyn Gillespie <[email protected]> Tod Kemper <[email protected]> Tom Limoncelli <[email protected]> Tommy Williams <[email protected]> (Michael P. Tournas) <[email protected]> (Leonard H. Tower Jr.) <[email protected]> Michael Traub <[email protected]> Toshi Takeuchi <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Todd Warner) <[email protected]> "Shyamala Parameswaran " <[email protected]> Peter Cox <[email protected]> Matthias Urlichs <[email protected]> AARDVARK <[email protected]> "A.C." <[email protected]> (Jeff) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> "Kathy Waddell SC/277-0911 OR (904)487-0911" <[email protected]> (WA Office of Higher Education) <[email protected]> Werner Uhrig <[email protected]> (John Werner) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> (Christopher M. Conway) <[email protected]> (Glen Worstell) <[email protected]> Bill Baker <[email protected]> (Wayne Sonnen) <[email protected]> Dale Wyttenbach <[email protected]> "Yusuke F. Kimura" <[email protected]> (Y. Ho(S.Kennedy)) <[email protected]>  VOTE TRIVIA  The vote count reached a passing level (129:29) just 58.2 hours after the first vote was received.  Votes were received from 20 country domains:      at  Austria     au  Australia     be  Belgium     ca  Canada     ch  Switzerland     de  Germany     fi  Finland     fr  France     ie  Ireland     il  Israel     in  India     nl  Netherlands     no  Norway     nz  New Zealand     se  Sweden     tw  Taiwan     ua  Ukraine     uk  United Kingdom     us  United States     za  South Africa  and all 6 organizational domains:      com edu gov mil net org   Again, thanks for voting!  I'll see you in misc.health.alternative... --  Peter Kaminski [email protected] [email protected]