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From [email protected] Mon Mar 13 16:56:32 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (David Casti) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.std.misc,sci.engr Subject: RFD: misc.industry.quality Followup-To: news.groups Date: 13 Mar 1995 15:16:45 -0500 Organization: Casti Consulting Lines: 99 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6422 news.groups:139118 comp.std.misc:1275 sci.engr:14642                       Request for Discussion (RFD)  Proposed Newsgroup: misc.industry.quality Status:             unmoderated Distribution:       worldwide Summary:            Discussion group for quality standards and issues Proponents: David Casti <[email protected]>             QUALITY List Editor <[email protected]>  This is a formal Request For Discussion on the creation of an unmoderated newsgroup for discussion of issues related to quality standards, such as ISO-8402, the ISO-9000 series, and the ISO-10011/10012 series.  The purposes of this group include to alleviate the volume of traffic on the QUALITY listserv (currently echoed into bit.listserv.quality), and to bring discussions of quality to a broader community of Internet users.  This request has grown out of a conversation in the alt.config group about the possibility of a alt.standards hierarchy.  This RFD is issued for the misc hierarchy instead of the alt hierarchy as the result of propogation concerns by business users who do not have access to alt groups.  This is a Request for Discussion and is not a Call for Votes.  The discussion will last 3-4 weeks from this date (Friday 10 March 1995). Any comments such as "I vote yes for misc.industry.quality" will be treated only as a positive reaction to the proposed charter and not as a yes vote on the creation of the group.  If sufficient interest is demonstrated during the discussion period, a formal CFV will be issued along with instruction on how to cast your vote.  This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup Creation. Its language is based on previously submitted RFDs. The RFD is being cross-posted to the following relevant news groups:          news.announce.newgroups 	news.groups 	comp.std.misc 	sci.engr  Followups to this RFD are to be posted only to news.groups, where the actual discussion is to take place.  PROPOSED CHARTER  The misc.industry.quality newsgroup will be open to discussion of the intent, interpretation, and proper application of quality principles and standards -- the most famous of which is ISO 9000.  Specific topics may include, but are not necessarily limited to:  	Assurance Testing 	Performance Auditing 	Process Control 	Vocabulary  RATIONALE  The need for a forum to discuss quality standards on the Internet is clear.  As the network has grown in size, it has become an important way for professionals and researchers to communicate with each other.  Although there are a large number of quality enthusiasts, academics, and professionals online (as can be seen by the membership of only a single mailing list on this topic), there are no public newsgroups available for the discussion of quality standards.  In fact, the only other forums for discussions of standards appear to be in comp and sci.  Quality standards are designed to be applicable to the full range of activities -- and are not specific to any one industry (e.g. computers and technology) or discipline (e.g. science and engineering).  They are equally applicable to for-profit businesses and purely academic pursuits.  For this reason, it seems that the only appropriate location for this group is 'misc' (much like the misc.jobs groups).  MAILING LISTS  The QUALITY listserv is currently hosted at pucc.princeton.edu and is echoed into the bit.listserv.quality group.  This list is moderated and has more than 2000 members.  This mailing list will continue to function after the creation of the misc.standards.iso.quality group, but list members will be encouraged to take ISO-specific conversations off of the list and into the newsgroup.  PROCEDURE  Please post any response to this message to NEWS.GROUPS.  If you use the followup feature on your newsreader this should happen automatically.  It is important to understand that all discussions about the merits of this proposal should occur on news.groups.  FUTURE CALL FOR VOTES  After a discussion period of 21-30 days, unless the discussion indicates a need to resubmit a new RFD, there will be a Call For Votes (CFV) posted to the same groups as this RFD. The voting period will be at least 21 days. If the group passes by receiving 100 more YES votes than NO votes and (at least) twice as many YES votes as NO votes, it will be created. --  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Casti                                            Pager: (800) 980-6227 Information Scientist                  http://www.casti.com/casti/David.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------------  From [email protected] Mon May  1 18:25:17 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Warren Lavallee) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.std.misc,sci.engr Subject: CFV: misc.industry.quality Followup-To: poster Date: 1 May 1995 16:13:43 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 74 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 23 May 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6722 news.groups:147050 comp.std.misc:1408 sci.engr:15819                            FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                    unmoderated group misc.industry.quality  Newsgroups line: misc.industry.quality	Quality standards and other issues.  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 22 May 1995.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact Warren Lavallee <[email protected]>.  For questions about the proposed group contact David Casti <[email protected]>.  DISTRIBUTION This CFV has been cross-posted to:   news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.std.misc, sci.engr  and EMailed to 	QUALITY-L <[email protected]> 	TQM-D <[email protected]> 	ISO9000 <[email protected]> 	TQM-L <[email protected]> 	[email protected]  CHARTER  The misc.industry.quality newsgroup will be open to discussion of the intent, interpretation, and proper application of quality principles and standards -- the most famous of which is ISO 9000.  Specific topics may include, but are not necessarily limited to:          Assurance Testing         Performance Auditing         Process Control         Vocabulary   HOW TO VOTE  Send MAIL to:   [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.  Your mail message should contain *one* and only one of the following statements.  DO NOT QUOTE THIS CFV IN YOUR VOTE.       I vote YES on misc.industry.quality       I vote NO on misc.industry.quality       I vote ABSTAIN on misc.industry.quality       I CANCEL my vote on misc.industry.quality  Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve only to cancel any previous vote. Abstentions are noted in the final vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely. (This is the only difference between the two.)  Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  If you later change your mind you may vote again; only your last valid vote will count.  Standard Guidelines for voting apply: no more than one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. If you attempt multiple votes or other vote fraud, all your votes may be canceled and your name published.  The complete vote list will be posted with the vote result, including how each person voted. Note that Usenet votes are not done by secret ballot.  There will then be a five-day period during which the published vote list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed. The requirements for group creation are 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and 2/3 of all counted votes being YES.  From [email protected] Sat May 13 00:06:31 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Warren Lavallee) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.std.misc,sci.engr Subject: 2nd CFV: misc.industry.quality Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Date: 12 May 1995 15:56:43 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 74 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 23 May 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6815 news.groups:149089 comp.std.misc:1439 sci.engr:16164                            LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                    unmoderated group misc.industry.quality  Newsgroups line: misc.industry.quality	Quality standards and other issues.  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 22 May 1995.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact Warren Lavallee <[email protected]>.  For questions about the proposed group contact David Casti <[email protected]>.  DISTRIBUTION This CFV has been cross-posted to:   news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.std.misc, sci.engr  and EMailed to 	QUALITY-L <[email protected]> 	TQM-D <[email protected]> 	ISO9000 <[email protected]> 	TQM-L <[email protected]> 	[email protected]  CHARTER  The misc.industry.quality newsgroup will be open to discussion of the intent, interpretation, and proper application of quality principles and standards -- the most famous of which is ISO 9000.  Specific topics may include, but are not necessarily limited to:          Assurance Testing         Performance Auditing         Process Control         Vocabulary   HOW TO VOTE  Send MAIL to:   [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.  Your mail message should contain *one* and only one of the following statements.  DO NOT QUOTE THIS CFV IN YOUR VOTE.       I vote YES on misc.industry.quality       I vote NO on misc.industry.quality       I vote ABSTAIN on misc.industry.quality       I CANCEL my vote on misc.industry.quality  Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve only to cancel any previous vote. Abstentions are noted in the final vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely. (This is the only difference between the two.)  Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  If you later change your mind you may vote again; only your last valid vote will count.  Standard Guidelines for voting apply: no more than one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. If you attempt multiple votes or other vote fraud, all your votes may be canceled and your name published.  The complete vote list will be posted with the vote result, including how each person voted. Note that Usenet votes are not done by secret ballot.  There will then be a five-day period during which the published vote list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed. The requirements for group creation are 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and 2/3 of all counted votes being YES.  From [email protected] Thu May 25 18:47:45 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Warren Lavallee) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.std.misc,sci.engr Subject: RESULT: misc.industry.quality passes 164:17 Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 23 May 1995 16:12:02 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 244 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6899 news.groups:150963 comp.std.misc:1446 sci.engr:16391                                  RESULT         unmoderated group misc.industry.quality passes 164:17  There were 164 YES votes and 17 NO votes, for a total of 181 valid votes. There were 8 abstains and 1 invalid ballot.  For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.  There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.  If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.    misc.industry.quality passed on Fri May 5 11:29:10 1995  Newsgroups line: misc.industry.quality	Quality standards and other issues.  This vote was being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Warren Lavallee <[email protected]>. For questions about the proposed group contact David Casti <[email protected]>.  CHARTER  The misc.industry.quality newsgroup will be open to discussion of the intent, interpretation, and proper application of quality principles and standards -- the most famous of which is ISO 9000.  Specific topics may include, but are not necessarily limited to:          Assurance Testing         Performance Auditing         Process Control         Vocabulary    [This collection of addresses is (C)1995 by Consultix Computer Services. Permission is strictly NOT given to use this list or any part thereof to make a mailing list, or for mass-mailings.  Any other use is fine.] misc.industry.quality Final Vote Ack  Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                           Ellen Domb [email protected]                                        H.B. Scoggins [email protected] [email protected]                                                 Autumn Koch [email protected]                                   Cleo H Butcher [email protected]                                              Allen Birmingham [email protected]                                     Al Fargnoli [email protected] [email protected]                                           Alfredo R. Coelho [email protected]                                                      AMAYA, MARK [email protected]                                    Andy Caunitis [email protected]                                           Annie Petty [email protected]                                     Arline Pohlman [email protected]                                                   Arne Johansson [email protected]                                      Varad Rajan [email protected]                                                       Bob Dick [email protected]                                                  Bruce Hanna [email protected]                                                 B.J. Herbison [email protected]                                                Brian Foster [email protected]                                                        Robert Wise [email protected] [email protected]                                             Dessa Brashear [email protected] [email protected]                                Joe Burge [email protected]                                                     Colin Kemp [email protected]                                          Celia Modell [email protected]                                                  Cem Kaner [email protected]                                       CAROL L SMITH [email protected]                                         Chris Stamper [email protected]                                         David Coleman [email protected]                                             Dan Rothschild [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                     David T. Novick [email protected]                                                 dbarney [email protected]                                                Doug Blair [email protected] [email protected]                               DAVID E WOLFERSBERGER [email protected]                                                     David Casti [email protected]                                                            Don [email protected]                                                Doug Lethin [email protected]                                              D holder [email protected]                                         Ron Graham [email protected]                                     Echlin, Elizabeth [email protected]                                              John Kiely [email protected]                                                      Eldad Ganin [email protected]                                Elizabeth J. Godair [email protected]                                         George Emerson [email protected]                                     Tina Romi Z/UB [email protected]                                             manuel (m.) escuder [email protected]                                           MS LOIS S WALKER [email protected]                                                  E-Media [email protected]                                             Frank Malinowski [email protected]                                               Frank Scavo [email protected]                                                  Gary A Feldman [email protected]                                                 Juergen Geer [email protected]                                       Ginny Peterson [email protected]                                         Goran Sander [email protected]                                            Peter Griffin [email protected]                                Brennan Tennesen Price [email protected]                                                Herman A. Hedke [email protected]    P. HARI PRASAD, BLR, APPL DEV, #2441, 91-80-2269 [email protected]                                                     Henrik Cosmo [email protected]                                         Thomas David Nichols [email protected]                                                     henry [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                 BPR PROJECT MANAGER (414) 246-7705 [email protected]                                              John L. Chambers [email protected]                                               Jim Daggerhart jobe_james%[email protected]                            jobe_james [email protected]                                            Joe St Sauver [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                               johnsonp [email protected]                                                           Jonboy [email protected]                                              Joshua Silverman [email protected]                                                 Jeff Parnes [email protected]                                               Johanna Rothman [email protected] [email protected]                                   PETRI KARENLAMPI [email protected]                                       Kathy Wagenknecht [email protected]                                               Kathy D Blair [email protected] [email protected]                                                Kirsten Rognstad [email protected]                                              Kenny Raby [email protected]                                       Lancon Kenneth [email protected]                                Geoffrion, Louis P [email protected]                                     Linda Soulcheck [email protected]                                         Scott Lindsay [email protected]                                      Long, Kenneth CPT [email protected]                                             Anwar Jalani M186615%[email protected] [email protected]                                          P. Malinee [email protected]                                        Martin Ferus [email protected]                                            Mario Pennisi [email protected]                                  Matthew Bowen Harrington [email protected]                                                  Martin Dumas [email protected]                                    Roman Shevgalishin [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                                Mikael Nilsson [email protected]                                          Miles Abernathy [email protected]                                                  Rachel Monsour [email protected]                                           Wurtzel, Marvin [email protected]                 M C Nagaraj, USD, BLR, EXTN 2432 [email protected]                                                     Nigel Allen [email protected]                                          Ralph R. NEBIKER [email protected]                                          Nick Ingegneri [email protected]                                      Vern Nicklow [email protected] [email protected]                                                 N Walcot [email protected]                                 CAPT Ken St. Andre [email protected]                                                  Daniel Burnstein [email protected]                                      EVERETT E. SPITZNER [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                    Paul Bowen [email protected]                                                 Peter Barnes [email protected]                                            Philip Decker [email protected]                                         Phyllis W Wang [email protected]                                              Chuck Preecs [email protected]                                   MR MARK PREMONT [email protected]                                            Philip Stein [email protected]                                          Jack Vogel [email protected]                                           Richard Bridgan [email protected]                                         Anthony R Rizzo [email protected]                                   Bob Luttman [email protected]                                                    Ron Snyder [email protected]                                      Robert Tusler [email protected]                                              Richard T Wurth [email protected]                                                Robert Stoddard [email protected]                                                  S.W. Tan [email protected]                                        Charles Sandmann [email protected]                            Paquin, Sherry A. [email protected]                                               Bruce Tindall [email protected]                               Wayne Sherer [email protected]                                   Stefan Jon Silverman [email protected]                                                  Tom Stangler [email protected]                                                    Steevy [email protected]                                      Steven Carpenter [email protected]                                   Stewart Sharon stl-4-14!pi309-2                                                 Student 3.Stj [email protected] [email protected]                                          Michel Landman [email protected]                                 Stuart Tait [email protected]                                                      James Kiley [email protected]                                                   Tim Foelker [email protected]                                            Thomas G. McWilliams Tom [email protected]                                          Tony Baxter [email protected]                                    Tony R. Araujo [email protected]                                                     Tomas Tauber [email protected]                                         JOHN DODWELL [email protected]                                    ELIZABETH HARPER [email protected]                                  Valda Branson [email protected] [email protected]                                          Kieran Walshe [email protected] [email protected]                                               White [email protected]                                   Walter M. Lamia 412.268.3443 WMY%[email protected]                                        BILL YEAGER X6287 [email protected]                                   Wayne Smith [email protected]                                                Mick Young  Voted No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] [email protected]                                             Vincent Archer [email protected]                                            C. Douglas Baker [email protected]                                                   Emery Lapinski [email protected]                              Jerry L. Bolerjack [email protected]                                     John R. MacWilliamson [email protected]                                 David Maurice [email protected]                                           Patrick J. LoPresti [email protected]                                        Pierre Uszynski [email protected]                                              Rebecca Drayer [email protected]                                               Ryan Waldron [email protected]    Rick Castro - Western Area Program Manager 909- [email protected]                                             Richard H. Miller [email protected]                                      Robert P. Smith [email protected]                                         Smarasderagd [email protected]                                                  Dwight Brown [email protected]                                         Risto Widenius  Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                             Nielsen, Bill CDH3%TesMs%[email protected] [email protected]                              Kenneth P Crouch [email protected] [email protected]                                          M Mike Taksar KC6ZPS [email protected]                                   M. `Quality time' Otto [email protected] [email protected]                                        Stephen Joseph Smith   Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                MIMI 2.0 Gateway at Magic    ! Invalid address  
 
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