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From [email protected] Mon Jul 24 18:08:55 1995
Path: uunet!in1.uu.net!bounce-back
From: Vibhu Mittal <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.consumers,misc.consumers.house
Subject: RFD: misc.consumers.spas-and-pools
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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
           unmoderated group misc.consumers.spas-and-pools

Summary         Discussion of all aspects of maintaining spas and pools
Proponent       Vibhu O. Mittal <[email protected]>
Status		unmoderated

This is a formal request for discussion on the creation of an
unmoderated newsgroup, misc.consumers.spas-and-pools.

It is also proposed that misc.consumers be renamed misc.consumers.misc,
in accordance with usenet tradition.  It is possible to vote down the
rename while creating the new group.

                              RATIONALE
                              ---------

A number of spa and pool related questions frequently show up on
misc.consumers.house. The group misc.consumers.house has sufficient
traffic (100+ messages/day) that it would be good to move discussion
on spas and pools to its own newsgroup.



                                CHARTER
                                -------

The scope of the proposed newsgroup misc.consumers.spas-and-pools
should include but not be limitied to:
        - the construction and maintenance of pools and spas
        - equipment (filters, heaters, vacuums, covers)
        - alternative technologies to chlorine for water disinfection
           - bromine
           - ionic devices, etc
        - repairs
        - materials, chemicals and pool/spa accessories
        - safety
        - landscaping issues related to pools
        - business issues

The discussions will be held in English. FAQs should be developed
for specific areas of interest and will be posted to the group on a
periodic basis. Reasonable commercial announcements will be permitted
as long as they are clearly marked as such in the subject of the message.
This newsgroup is not intended to be a marketplace.

                               ARCHIVE
                               -------

The content of the postings to misc.consumers.spas-and-pools will
be archived and made researchable via FTP, URL, or other such means.

From [email protected] Mon Aug 21 17:04:01 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Bill Aten)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.consumers.house,rec.sport.swimming
Subject: CFV: misc.consumers.spas-and-pools
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                     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
           unmoderated group misc.consumers.spas-and-pools

Newsgroups line:
misc.consumers.spas-and-pools	Spas and swimming pools.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 11 Sep 1995.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions
only, contact the votetaker, Bill Aten <[email protected]>.  For questions about
the proposed group, contact the proponent, Vibhu Mittal <[email protected]>.

RATIONALE:

A large number of spa and pool related questions frequently show up on
misc.consumers.house.  The group misc.consumers.house has sufficient
traffic (100+ messages/day) that it would be good to move discussion
on spas and pools to its own newsgroup.  Furthermore, the lack of a
group devoted to pools inhibits many people from posting specific
questions about water treatment, pool chemistry instruments, etc. to
misc.consumers.house.  A newsgroup on pools and spas will be able to
generate FAQs and facilitate discussions on all aspects of pools and
spas.

CHARTER: misc.consumers.spas-and-pools

The scope of the proposed newsgroup misc.consumers.spas-and-pools
will include, but not be limited to:
       - the construction and maintenance of pools and spas
       - equipment (filters, heaters, vacuums, covers)
       - alternative technologies to chlorine for water disinfection
          - bromine
          - ionic devices, etc.
       - repairs
       - materials, chemicals and pool/spa accessories
       - safety
       - landscaping issues related to pools
       - business issues

The discussions will be held in English.  FAQs will be developed
for specific areas of interest and will be posted to the group on a
periodic basis.  Reasonable commercial announcements will be permitted
as long as they are clearly marked as such in the subject of the message.
This newsgroup is not intended to be a marketplace.

END CHARTER.

HOW TO VOTE

Erase everything above the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" line and erase everything
below the "END OF BALLOT" line.  Do not erase anything between these lines,
and do not change the group name.  In other words, remove everything except
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Then MAIL the ballot to:  <[email protected]>
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Quick voting checklist:
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2) Delete everything but the ballot in your reply to this CFV.
3) Make sure your reply goes to <[email protected]>.

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IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES

Anything other than the official ballot may be rejected by the automatic vote
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an automated acknowledgement by e-mail.  If you do not receive one within
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Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account.  Addresses and
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If you later change your mind, you may vote again.  To erase your vote and
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using the CANCEL example shown above.  Just be aware that duplicate votes
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considered anonymous votes (the vote must be mailed directly from the
voter to the votetaker).

Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve
only to cancel any previous vote.  Abstentions are noted in the final
vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely
(this is the only difference between the two).

In cases where voting fraud is determined to have occurred, it is standard
operating procedure to delete ALL votes submitted by the violator.

There will be a five-day period following the voting period during which
the published vote list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed.
The requirements for group creation are 100 more YES votes than NO votes,
and 2/3 of all counted votes must be YES.

When in doubt, ask the votetaker.

OFFICIAL SOURCES OF THE CFV

IMPORTANT:  If anyone gave you a pre-completed ballot which did not leave the
voting choice up to you, you should modify the vote to reflect your choice of
YES, NO or ABSTAIN next to the item in the ballot.  If you give anyone copies
of the CFV, the copies must be whole and unmodified.  Distributing pre-filled
in ballots or modified copies of this CFV is considered voting fraud.

The only official sources for copies of this CFV are the UseNet newsgroups to
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be left empty because any contents will be ignored.

DISTRIBUTION

This CFV has been cross-posted to:
  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, misc.consumers.house,
  rec.sport.swimming

From [email protected] Tue Sep  5 15:36:01 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Bill Aten)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.consumers.house,rec.sport.swimming
Subject: 2nd CFV: misc.consumers.spas-and-pools
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                2nd & FINAL CALL FOR VOTES (2nd of 2)
           unmoderated group misc.consumers.spas-and-pools

Newsgroups line:
misc.consumers.spas-and-pools	Spas and swimming pools.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 11 Sep 1995.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions
only, contact the votetaker, Bill Aten <[email protected]>.  For questions about
the proposed group, contact the proponent, Vibhu Mittal <[email protected]>.

RATIONALE:

A large number of spa and pool related questions frequently show up on
misc.consumers.house.  The group misc.consumers.house has sufficient
traffic (100+ messages/day) that it would be good to move discussion
on spas and pools to its own newsgroup.  Furthermore, the lack of a
group devoted to pools inhibits many people from posting specific
questions about water treatment, pool chemistry instruments, etc. to
misc.consumers.house.  A newsgroup on pools and spas will be able to
generate FAQs and facilitate discussions on all aspects of pools and
spas.

CHARTER: misc.consumers.spas-and-pools

The scope of the proposed newsgroup misc.consumers.spas-and-pools
will include, but not be limited to:
       - the construction and maintenance of pools and spas
       - equipment (filters, heaters, vacuums, covers)
       - alternative technologies to chlorine for water disinfection
          - bromine
          - ionic devices, etc.
       - repairs
       - materials, chemicals and pool/spa accessories
       - safety
       - landscaping issues related to pools
       - business issues

The discussions will be held in English.  FAQs will be developed
for specific areas of interest and will be posted to the group on a
periodic basis.  Reasonable commercial announcements will be permitted
as long as they are clearly marked as such in the subject of the message.
This newsgroup is not intended to be a marketplace.

END CHARTER.

HOW TO VOTE

Erase everything above the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" line and erase everything
below the "END OF BALLOT" line.  Do not erase anything between these lines,
and do not change the group name.  In other words, remove everything except
the ballot.  It will be greatly appreciated by the votetaker if you do NOT
forward the entire CFV back to me--this mail is archived.

Give your name on the line that asks for it.  To vote, place a YES in the
brackets to vote for it, or place a NO in the brackets to vote against it.
If you don't want to vote on the group, place an ABSTAIN in the brackets.
If you leave the bracket blank, your vote will be rejected for failure to
cast a vote.  Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote
characters (">") that your reply inserts.

Then MAIL the ballot to:  <[email protected]>
Just Replying to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.

Quick voting checklist:
1) Fill in the ballot form below.  Don't forget to include your Real Name.
2) Delete everything but the ballot in your reply to this CFV.
3) Make sure your reply goes to <[email protected]>.

===== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything BEFORE this line =============

*** PLEASE ***
    DO NOT alter, modify, or delete any of the information in this ballot!

misc.consumers.spas-and-pools Ballot
<MCSAP-0002> (Do not remove this marker!)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Examples showing how to indicate your vote (DO NOT vote in this section):

[     YES ]  example.yes.vote
[      NO ]  example.no.vote
[ ABSTAIN ]  example.abstention
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

In order to properly record your vote, please provide your REAL NAME and
indicate your desired vote in the following sections:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Give your Real Name here (on this line) -->
(If you do not give your real name, your vote may be rejected.)

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Insert your vote inside the brackets for each newsgroup listed below:

 Your Vote   Group
 ---------   -----
[         ]  misc.consumers.spas-and-pools
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

===== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything AFTER this line ====================

IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES

Anything other than the official ballot may be rejected by the automatic vote
counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with
an automated acknowledgement by e-mail.  If you do not receive one within
several days, try again.  It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is
registered correctly.

Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account.  Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.

If you later change your mind, you may vote again.  To erase your vote and
eliminate your address and vote from the final results listing, vote again
using the CANCEL example shown above.  Just be aware that duplicate votes
will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote.

Anonymous votes will not be accepted.  Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are
considered anonymous votes (the vote must be mailed directly from the
voter to the votetaker).

Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve
only to cancel any previous vote.  Abstentions are noted in the final
vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely
(this is the only difference between the two).

In cases where voting fraud is determined to have occurred, it is standard
operating procedure to delete ALL votes submitted by the violator.

There will be a five-day period following the voting period during which
the published vote list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed.
The requirements for group creation are 100 more YES votes than NO votes,
and 2/3 of all counted votes must be YES.

When in doubt, ask the votetaker.

OFFICIAL SOURCES OF THE CFV

IMPORTANT:  If anyone gave you a pre-completed ballot which did not leave the
voting choice up to you, you should modify the vote to reflect your choice of
YES, NO or ABSTAIN next to the item in the ballot.  If you give anyone copies
of the CFV, the copies must be whole and unmodified.  Distributing pre-filled
in ballots or modified copies of this CFV is considered voting fraud.

The only official sources for copies of this CFV are the UseNet newsgroups to
which it is posted including news.announce.newgroups, and the e-mail server at
   <[email protected]>
The CFV server will return a copy of the CFV to the sender.  Your message may
be left empty because any contents will be ignored.

DISTRIBUTION

This CFV has been cross-posted to:
  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, misc.consumers.house,
  rec.sport.swimming
==============================================================================

From [email protected] Tue Sep 12 16:17:10 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Bill Aten)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.consumers.house,rec.sport.swimming
Subject: RESULT: misc.consumers.spas-and-pools fails 77:22
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Date: 12 Sep 1995 20:17:02 -0000
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                                RESULT
     unmoderated group misc.consumers.spas-and-pools fails 77:22

Voting for the misc.consumers.spas-and-pools newsgroup ended 23:59:59 UTC,
11 Sep 1995.  This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  For
voting questions only, contact the votetaker, Bill Aten <[email protected]>.
For questions about the proposed group, contact the proponent, Vibhu Mittal
<[email protected]>.

There were 99 valid votes submitted during the voting period.  The proposed
newsgroup, in order to pass, must have at least 2/3 YES votes and at least
100 more YES than NO votes.  The result is as follows:

misc.consumers.spas-and-pools results - 99 valid votes

 Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
  77   22 :  Yes    No :    No : misc.consumers.spas-and-pools
   1 abstaining vote  and 1 invalid vote

The proposal failed.

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
Unless serious and significant allegations of voting irregularities are
raised, the proposal may not be voted on again for six months.

The remainder of the results contains
   Newsgroups Line
   Charter
   Final Voting Acknowledgements

NEWSGROUPS LINE

misc.consumers.spas-and-pools	Spas and swimming pools.

CHARTER: misc.consumers.spas-and-pools

The scope of the proposed newsgroup misc.consumers.spas-and-pools
will include, but not be limited to:
       - the construction and maintenance of pools and spas
       - equipment (filters, heaters, vacuums, covers)
       - alternative technologies to chlorine for water disinfection
          - bromine
          - ionic devices, etc.
       - repairs
       - materials, chemicals and pool/spa accessories
       - safety
       - landscaping issues related to pools
       - business issues

The discussions will be held in English.  FAQs will be developed
for specific areas of interest and will be posted to the group on a
periodic basis.  Reasonable commercial announcements will be permitted
as long as they are clearly marked as such in the subject of the message.
This newsgroup is not intended to be a marketplace.

END CHARTER.

FINAL VOTING ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS

misc.consumers.spas-and-pools Final Vote Ack


                                            misc.consumers.spas-and-pools ---+
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[email protected]                                                         Aahz Y
[email protected]                                         Jonathan Adair Y
[email protected]                                          Andrew Dennie Y
[email protected]                                        Andrew Mossberg Y
[email protected]                                      Andrew H. Marrinson N
[email protected]                                           Ananda M. Kar N
[email protected]                                       Stephanie da Silva N
[email protected]                                                 Balaji N
[email protected]                                                   Pete Bellas Y
[email protected]                                           Blake Brewer Y
[email protected]                                       Brian Bebeau Y
[email protected]                                                  Brus Wasson Y
[email protected]                                            Barbara Ling Y
[email protected]                                          Cathy Kearns Y
[email protected]                                            Cathy Vitale Y
[email protected]                                               J R Celoni Y
[email protected]                                        Claire S. Y
[email protected]                                       Chris Stamper Y
[email protected]                                   K. Crouch -
[email protected]                                             Michiel Wijers N
[email protected]                                               Kevin Sullivan Y
[email protected]                                            Don Harris Y
[email protected]                                                Danny Chan Y
[email protected]                                      Jay Dettmer Y
[email protected]                            Diane Peterson Y
[email protected]                                                       Ryan Y
[email protected]                                             Topher Eliot Y
[email protected]                                                  Rick Ellis Y
[email protected]                                            Mark Stevens Y
[email protected]                                           Fred Schenkelberg Y
[email protected]                                       glen diener Y
gmk[email protected]                                     George Kimble Y
[email protected]                                      Matthew Hepp Y
[email protected]                                                 Steve Hillman Y
[email protected]                                       Cynthia Sellers Y
[email protected]                                                Ian R. Gould Y
[email protected]                                    Jan Coekelberghs N
[email protected]                                               Jerry Ennis N
[email protected]                                                     Jip de Y
[email protected]                                     John L. Letsche Y
[email protected]                                                 Trevor Tymchuk Y
[email protected]                                     J. Porter Clark Y
[email protected]                                             Jan Penovich Y
[email protected]                                      Jerry Reeves Y
[email protected]                                   John R. MacWilliamson N
[email protected]                                             Ken Diliberto Y
[email protected]                                               G. K. Khalsa Y
[email protected]                                               Larry Smith Y
[email protected]                                Martin Schr"oder Y
[email protected]                                          Roy Hellinga Y
[email protected]                                                Y
[email protected]                                          Mark Armstrong Y
[email protected]                                         Marc Moorcroft N
[email protected]                                          Matt Nieberger Y
[email protected]                                                  Mark Atwood Y
[email protected]                                    Robert George Mayer Y
[email protected]                                               Mike Northam Y
[email protected]                                              Mary Firenze Y
[email protected]                                           Vibhu O. Mittal Y
[email protected]                                        M Mike Taksar KC6ZPS N
[email protected]                                          bob nedbal N
[email protected]                                         Domingo Garcia Y
[email protected]                                                Rob Nix Y
[email protected]                                                   Ole Vik Y
[email protected]                                          David Coe Y
[email protected]                                                  Bob Page Y
[email protected]                                 Patrick J. LoPresti N
[email protected]                                          Philip Decker Y
[email protected]                                             Peter Berger N
[email protected]                                   Joseph S. Polvino Y
[email protected]                                           Bob Hansen Y
[email protected]                                              Richard Miller Y
[email protected]                                                   Rick Cell Y
[email protected]                                           Robert Marvin N
[email protected]                                    Ollivier Robert N
[email protected]                                         Robert B Macdonald Y
[email protected]                              Dave Moore N
[email protected]                                          J. Rufinus Y
[email protected]                                                       Bob Virzi Y
[email protected]                                                   Scott Kenney N
[email protected]                                      Sandra Bushnell Y
[email protected]                               Korella Selzler Y
[email protected]                                               Shapard Wolf Y
[email protected]                                           Shawn M. Herzinger Y
[email protected]                                Erick Singley Y
sjf%[email protected]                                  Steve Fenster Y
[email protected]                                                Dwight Brown N
[email protected]                                           Stan Jaffe Y
[email protected]                                   Eric B. Stauffer Y
[email protected]                                          Sujata Banerjee Y
[email protected]                                                Nancy Tucker Y
[email protected]                                           Peter Tang Y
[email protected]                                                 Tony Basoglu N
[email protected]                                            David L. Collard Y
[email protected]                            Todd C. Lawson N
[email protected]                        Harold F. Vandercook Y
[email protected]                                       Risto Widenius N
[email protected]                                            David L. Hanson Y
[email protected]                                               P. Tufts N
[email protected]                                                     Zot O'Connor Y


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[email protected]                                                     pete lurie
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