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From [email protected] Tue Jul 28 17:18:21 1992
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From: [email protected] (Mike Miskulin)
Subject: RFD: misc.forsale.computers reorganization
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: news.groups
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Organization: High Energy Concepts
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:24:53 GMT
Approved: [email protected]
Lines: 32

I am formally proposing the split of misc.forsale.computers into a new
hierarchy.  At a minimum the succeeding group(s) should be:
	    
	misc.forsale.computers.hardware
	misc.forsale.computers.software

At a maximum (for purposes of this RFD), a succession to:

	misc.forsale.computers.hardware.ibm
	misc.forsale.computers.hardware.apple	
	misc.forsale.computers.hardware.other
	
	misc.forsale.computers.software.ibm
	misc.forsale.computers.software.apple
	misc.forsale.computers.software.other

The reason for this RFD is that many current readers of misc.forsale.
computers believe the group is too cumbersome to read/follow in its
current format; simply put the volume of this group is too high for
the existing format to continue being an effective means of offering
computer related goods for sale.  However, there are a large number
who would like to continue to see the group in its present format. 

Following Usenet guidelines, ALL followup discussion on this topic
should occur in news.groups ONLY.  Do not cross-post back to other
groups such as misc.forsale.computers.  RFDs typically generate
a large amount of traffic and can swamp a newsgroup.  

Regards,
-- 
Mike Miskulin
[email protected]

From [email protected] Tue Sep  1 11:37:27 1992
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Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: Mike Miskulin <[email protected]>
Subject: CFV: misc.forsale.computers reorganization
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: poster
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Reply-To: [email protected]
Organization: High Energy Concepts
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:17:54 GMT
Approved: [email protected]
Lines: 146

************************************************************************
* 				URGENT                                 *
*								       *
*  [email protected] has brought to my attention that newsgroup        *
*  creation guidelines now require a SEPERATE VOTE on each group       *
*  in question.  A simple ballot is contained within this CFV.  The    *
*  only change is that you can vote yes/no/abstain on each of the      *
*  groups in question.  PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO REVOTE IF YOU HAVE     *
*  ALREADY VOTED.  I personally apologize for this error and hope that *
*  it does not have an adverse effect on the outcome of this vote      *
*  								       *
*  Mike Miskulin       						       *
************************************************************************

This article is the FIRST CALL FOR VOTES on a reorganization 
of the misc.forsale.computers newsgroup. This reorganization 
will provide for the creation of up to nine new groups to replace 
the current misc.forsale.computers group. 

PLEASE EXAMINE THE ENTIRE PROPOSAL BEFORE VOTING ON IT.

+----------+
| PROPOSAL |
+----------+

Create:
	misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone         [ibm clone systems]
	misc.forsale.computers.mac		[mac systems]
	misc.forsale.computers.workstation	[i.e. sun/next/hp systems]
	misc.forsale.computers.comm		[modems and the like]
	misc.forsale.computers.software		[all software, o/s ]
	misc.forsale.computers.printers		[printers/plotters]
	misc.forsale.computers.storage		[disk/tape/cdrom]	
	misc.forsale.computers.other		[books,other systems,misc]
	misc.forsale.computers.d		[flame wars,reviews]

Remove:	misc.forsale.computers if misc.forsale.computers.other passes.

+-----------+
| RATIONALE |
+-----------+

Misc.forsale.computers currently suffers from a high volume of
postings covering many diverse subjects.  This reorganization
attempts to create a more effective structure to place computer
related merchandise for sale on usenet. Individually:

misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone  
	for computer systems based on the IBM pc.  
misc.forsale.computers.mac:
	for computer systems based on the Apple Macintosh
misc.forsale.computers.workstations:
	for any system known as a workstation (ie Sun, HP)
misc.forsale.computers.comm
	for all equipment related to communications such as
	modems and fax cards
misc.forsale.computers.software
	for all software for all hardware platforms, including
	operating systems
misc.forsale.computers.printers
	for all equipment relating to hard copy output
	i.e. printers and plotters
misc.forsale.computers.storage
	for all mass storage devices such as floppy drives,
	hard disks and cd-roms
misc.forsale.computers.other
	for books, other hardware platforms (ie VAX) and other
	miscellaneous items.
misc.forsale.computers.d
	for discussions of any nature related to the selling
	of computer products on usenet and discussion of
	postings to any other misc.forsale.computer.* group
 	
If misc.forsale.computers.other and at least one other ad group pass,
then misc.forsale.computers will be removed three months after the
creation of the new groups.

+---------------+
| VOTING METHOD |
+---------------+

One mailbox address has been set up to record votes.  

You may vote Yes No or Abstain.

Possible ways to address votes include:

[email protected]
[email protected]	
uunet!qedqcd!mfcvote			

+----------+
|  BALLOT  |
+----------+

Please replace the __ with your vote (Y=YES, N=NO, A=ABSTAIN).


__ creation of misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone
__ creation of misc.forsale.computers.mac
__ creation of misc.forsale.computers.workstation
__ creation of misc.forsale.computers.software
__ creation of misc.forsale.computers.comm
__ creation of misc.forsale.computers.printers
__ creation of misc.forsale.computers.storage
__ creation of misc.forsale.computers.d
__ rename of misc.forsale.computers to misc.forsale.computers.other

+----------+
| SCHEDULE |
+----------+

  1. Discussion:

     The official discussion period began when the first RFD appeared
     in news.announce.newgroups, that is, 28 July 1992.  It ended on 
     28 August 1992.

  2. Voting:

     The vote will run through 28 September 1992.

     I will post a second Call For Votes, and possibly a list of
     unreachable return addresses, during the voting period.  When the
     vote is over, I will post the final results.

 3.  Waiting Period:

     I will observe the normal waiting period of five days from the
     time that the final results appear in news.announce.newgroups.
     During this time, people may report lost votes and/or impugn
     the fairness of the vote taker.  

 4.  Consummation:

     After the waiting period, the appropriate control messages to 
     create all new newsgroups and remove the existing group will be 
     made.  About one week later, the control messages will be re-issued.


If the reorganization passes all changes will take effect by the 
middle of October 1992.
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mike Miskulin		[email protected]	70053,[email protected]
[email protected]--------------

From [email protected] Thu Sep 17 14:46:14 1992
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Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: Mike Miskulin <[email protected]>
Subject: 2nd CFV: misc.forsale.computers reorganization
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: poster
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Reply-To: [email protected]
Organization: High Energy Concepts
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1992 18:35:04 GMT
Approved: [email protected]
Lines: 134

This article is the *SECOND* CALL FOR VOTES on a reorganization 
of the misc.forsale.computers newsgroup. This reorganization 
will provide for the creation of up to nine new groups to replace 
the current misc.forsale.computers group. 

PLEASE EXAMINE THE ENTIRE PROPOSAL BEFORE VOTING ON IT.

PLEASE USE THE BALLOT CONTAINED IN THIS ARTICLE
 
+----------+
| PROPOSAL |
+----------+

Create:
	misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone         [ibm clone systems]
	misc.forsale.computers.mac		[mac systems]
	misc.forsale.computers.workstation	[i.e. sun/next/hp systems]
	misc.forsale.computers.comm		[modems and the like]
	misc.forsale.computers.software		[all software, o/s ]
	misc.forsale.computers.printers		[printers/plotters]
	misc.forsale.computers.storage		[disk/tape/cdrom]	
	misc.forsale.computers.other		[books,other systems,misc]
	misc.forsale.computers.d		[flame wars,reviews]

Remove:	misc.forsale.computers if misc.forsale.computers.other passes.

+-----------+
| RATIONALE |
+-----------+

Misc.forsale.computers currently suffers from a high volume of
postings covering many diverse subjects.  This reorganization
attempts to create a more effective structure to place computer
related merchandise for sale on usenet. Individually:

misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone  
	for computer systems based on the IBM pc.  
misc.forsale.computers.mac:
	for computer systems based on the Apple Macintosh
misc.forsale.computers.workstations:
	for any system known as a workstation (ie Sun, HP)
misc.forsale.computers.comm
	for all equipment related to communications such as
	modems and fax cards
misc.forsale.computers.software
	for all software for all hardware platforms, including
	operating systems
misc.forsale.computers.printers
	for all equipment relating to hard copy output
	i.e. printers and plotters
misc.forsale.computers.storage
	for all mass storage devices such as floppy drives,
	hard disks and cd-roms
misc.forsale.computers.other
	for books, other hardware platforms (ie VAX) and other
	miscellaneous items.
misc.forsale.computers.d
	for discussions of any nature related to the selling
	of computer products on usenet and discussion of
	postings to any other misc.forsale.computer.* group
 	
If misc.forsale.computers.other and at least one other ad group pass,
then misc.forsale.computers will be removed three months after the
creation of the new groups.

+---------------+
| VOTING METHOD |
+---------------+

One mailbox address has been set up to record votes.  

You may vote Yes No or Abstain.

Possible ways to address votes include:

[email protected]
[email protected]	
uunet!qedqcd!mfcvote			

+----------+
|  BALLOT  |
+----------+

Please replace the __ with your vote (Y=YES, N=NO, A=ABSTAIN).


__ creation of misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone
__ creation of misc.forsale.computers.mac
__ creation of misc.forsale.computers.workstation
__ creation of misc.forsale.computers.software
__ creation of misc.forsale.computers.comm
__ creation of misc.forsale.computers.printers
__ creation of misc.forsale.computers.storage
__ creation of misc.forsale.computers.d
__ rename of misc.forsale.computers to misc.forsale.computers.other

+----------+
| SCHEDULE |
+----------+

  1. Discussion:

     The official discussion period began when the first RFD appeared
     in news.announce.newgroups, that is, 28 July 1992.  It ended on 
     28 August 1992.

  2. Voting:

     The vote will run through 28 September 1992.

     I will post a second Call For Votes, and possibly a list of
     unreachable return addresses, during the voting period.  When the
     vote is over, I will post the final results.

 3.  Waiting Period:

     I will observe the normal waiting period of five days from the
     time that the final results appear in news.announce.newgroups.
     During this time, people may report lost votes and/or impugn
     the fairness of the vote taker.  

 4.  Consummation:

     After the waiting period, the appropriate control messages to 
     create all new newsgroups and remove the existing group will be 
     made.  About one week later, the control messages will be re-issued.


If the reorganization passes all changes will take effect by the 
middle of October 1992.
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mike Miskulin		[email protected]	70053,[email protected]
[email protected]--------------

From [email protected] Mon Sep 28 11:13:17 1992
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Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Mike Miskulin)
Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK: misc.forsale.computers
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: poster
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Reply-To: Ballot Box for mfc reorg vote <[email protected]>
Organization: High Energy Concepts
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:55:49 GMT
Approved: [email protected]
Lines: 585

This article is the THIRD & FINAL CALL FOR VOTES on a reorganization 
of the misc.forsale.computers newsgroup. This reorganization 
will provide for the creation of up to nine new groups to replace 
the current misc.forsale.computers group. 

(vote ack at the end)

PLEASE EXAMINE THE ENTIRE PROPOSAL BEFORE VOTING ON IT.

PLEASE USE THE BALLOT INCLUDED IN THIS ARTICLE TO VOTE.
+----------+
| PROPOSAL |
+----------+

Create:
	misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone         [ibm clone systems]
	misc.forsale.computers.mac		[mac systems]
	misc.forsale.computers.workstation	[i.e. sun/next/hp systems]
	misc.forsale.computers.comm		[modems and the like]
	misc.forsale.computers.software		[all software, o/s ]
	misc.forsale.computers.printers		[printers/plotters]
	misc.forsale.computers.storage		[disk/tape/cdrom]	
	misc.forsale.computers.other		[books,other systems,misc]
	misc.forsale.computers.d		[flame wars,reviews]

Remove:	misc.forsale.computers if misc.forsale.computers.other passes.

+-----------+
| RATIONALE |
+-----------+

Misc.forsale.computers currently suffers from a high volume of
postings covering many diverse subjects.  This reorganization
attempts to create a more effective structure to place computer
related merchandise for sale on usenet. Individually:

misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone  
	for computer systems based on the IBM pc.  
misc.forsale.computers.mac:
	for computer systems based on the Apple Macintosh
misc.forsale.computers.workstations:
	for any system known as a workstation (ie Sun, HP)
misc.forsale.computers.comm
	for all equipment related to communications such as
	modems and fax cards
misc.forsale.computers.software
	for all software for all hardware platforms, including
	operating systems
misc.forsale.computers.printers
	for all equipment relating to hard copy output
	i.e. printers and plotters
misc.forsale.computers.storage
	for all mass storage devices such as floppy drives,
	hard disks and cd-roms
misc.forsale.computers.other
	for books, other hardware platforms (ie VAX) and other
	miscellaneous items.
misc.forsale.computers.d
	for discussions of any nature related to the selling
	of computer products on usenet and discussion of
	postings to any other misc.forsale.computer.* group
 	
If misc.forsale.computers.other and at least one other ad group pass,
then misc.forsale.computers will be removed three months after the
creation of the new groups.

+---------------+
| VOTING METHOD |
+---------------+

One mailbox address has been set up to record votes.  

You may vote Yes No or Abstain.

Possible ways to address votes include:

[email protected]
[email protected]	
uunet!qedqcd!mfcvote			

+----------+
|  BALLOT  |
+----------+

Please replace the __ with your vote (Y=YES, N=NO, A=ABSTAIN).


__ creation of misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone
__ creation of misc.forsale.computers.mac
__ creation of misc.forsale.computers.workstation
__ creation of misc.forsale.computers.software
__ creation of misc.forsale.computers.comm
__ creation of misc.forsale.computers.printers
__ creation of misc.forsale.computers.storage
__ creation of misc.forsale.computers.d
__ rename of misc.forsale.computers to misc.forsale.computers.other

+----------+
| SCHEDULE |
+----------+

  1. Discussion:

     The official discussion period began when the first RFD appeared
     in news.announce.newgroups, that is, 28 July 1992.  It ended on 
     28 August 1992.

  2. Voting:

     The vote will run through 28 September 1992.

     I will post a second Call For Votes, and possibly a list of
     unreachable return addresses, during the voting period.  When the
     vote is over, I will post the final results.

 3.  Waiting Period:

     I will observe the normal waiting period of five days from the
     time that the final results appear in news.announce.newgroups.
     During this time, people may report lost votes and/or impugn
     the fairness of the vote taker.  

 4.  Consummation:

     After the waiting period, the appropriate control messages to 
     create all new newsgroups and remove the existing group will be 
     made.  About one week later, the control messages will be re-issued.


If the reorganization passes all changes will take effect by the 
middle of October 1992.
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mike Miskulin		[email protected]	70053,[email protected]
[email protected]--------------


THE FOLLOWING HAVE SENT VALID VOTES AS OF 9/27/92:

Bernhard G. Fleuti @chx400.switch.ch, Network [email protected], 
[email protected] (Allan Rickards) 
/usr/spool/mail/gopstein <[email protected]>
[email protected]
Abraham Kabanda <[email protected]>
Adam Shostack <[email protected]>
Adlai Waksman <[email protected]>
Al Kossow <[email protected]>
Albert Liu <[email protected]>
Alex Dillard <[email protected]>
Alex Lecea <[email protected]>
Alexis Rosen <[email protected]>
Alicia Lee Salomon <[email protected]>
Allan Rickards <[email protected]>
Andreas Meyer <[email protected]>
Andrew Bressen <[email protected]>
Andrew Bros <[email protected]>
Andrew J. Kass <[email protected]>
Andrew J. Petrarca <[email protected]>
Andrew Ward <[email protected]>
Andrew webster <[email protected]>
Android Rubin <[email protected]>
Andy Wright <[email protected]>
Apollo Wong <[email protected]>
Arne Henrik Juul <[email protected]>
Arthur T. McClinton <[email protected]>
Austin Phelps <[email protected]>
B.J. 02-Sep-1992 1110 <[email protected]>
Baldwin Ng <[email protected]>
Barbara Bury <[email protected]>
Barry Margolin <[email protected]>
Bdale Garbee <[email protected]>
Beaker <[email protected]>
Bill Bogstad <[email protected]>
Bill Reeves <[email protected]>
Bob Kupiec <[email protected]>
Bob Shew <[email protected]>
Bob Sichler <[email protected]>
Bob Vaughan <[email protected]>
Bob Williams <[email protected]>
Brad Wallet <[email protected]>
Brent Earl <[email protected]>
Brian Catlin <[email protected]>
Brian Court <[email protected]>
Brian Curtiss <[email protected]>
Brian Kenney <[email protected]>
Brian Michael Patten <[email protected]>
Bruce Clement <[email protected]>
Bruce Mackey <[email protected]>
Casey Bahr <[email protected]>
Cathi Cook <[email protected]>
Charles Fee <[email protected]>
Charlie Pilzer <[email protected]>
Chip Rosenthal <[email protected]>
Chip Salzenberg <[email protected]>
Chris Blackmon <[email protected]>
Chris Ellington <[email protected]>
Chris Wolf <[email protected]>
Christophe M. Kalisiak <[email protected]>
Christopher Jeanrichard <[email protected]>
Christopher Oliver <oliver@angst.cs.wmich.edu>
Christopher Wroten <cfw@unixland.natick.ma.us>
Chuck 'Down But Not Out' McMath <mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov>
Clark Coffman <coffman@plains.nodak.edu>
Cloyce. <cloyce@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Curtis Chen <chen4@cs.wmich.edu>
D. Brian Kimmel <ars2!briank@uupsi.UUCP>
D. W. James <vnend@princeton.edu>
DROBINOW@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil
DTARICO@ccit.arizona.edu
Dale Call <dalec@wv.mentorg.com>
Dana Jacobsen <jacobsd@solar.cor2.epa.gov>
Dane Hendrix <hendrix@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
Darius S. Naqvi <darius@edm.isac.ca>
Darren Stalder <dstalder@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>
Daryl Biberdorf <dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu>
Dave Friedman <davidf@ocf.berkeley.edu>
Dave Lampe <dplace!djl@pacbell.com>
Dave Medin <medin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com>
Dave Wiseman <dwiseman@erim.org>
David 574-7299 <degen@nrlvax.nrl.navy.mil>
David A. Berson <berson@cs.pitt.edu>
David Barr <barr@pop.psu.edu>
David Heiney <david.heiney@medinfo.jax.fl.us>
David Kline <David.Kline@p869.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org>
David Lively <dfl@think.com>
David Muir Sharnoff <muir@tfs.com>
David Richardson, UTA, +1 817 856 6637 <B645ZAX@utarlg.uta.edu>
David S. Miller <dsm@ctt.bellcore.com>
David S.A. Stine <dstine@cisco.com>
David Schankin <schankin@engin.umich.edu>
Dean M. Phillips <dmp3592@icdfs.boeing.com>
Denis Concordel <denis@apldbio.com>
Desmond Fuller <desi@curly.red-cross.org>
Dick Sweet <sweet@mv.us.adobe.com>
Don Ried <dried@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com>
Donald H. Locker <dhl@msl.com>
Doug Greenwald <fsgreen@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov>
Doug Peckham <bohica1!doug@cahuilla.ucsd.edu>
Doug Philips <dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us>
Duckie Shiau <shiau@eniac.seas.upenn.edu>
Dwight A. Schwartz <schwartz@feh.scs.uiuc.edu>
Ed Bailey <bailey@hagar.ph.utexas.edu>
Ed Paradis <IO20222@maine.maine.edu>
Edmund Burnette <sasebb@unx.sas.com>
Edward Bertsch <eab@msc.edu>
Edward Feustel <efeustel@ida.org>
Edward Reid <ed@titipu.meta.com>
Elizabeth Schwartz <betsys@ra.cs.umb.edu>
Ellen Yu <eyu@terminus.umd.edu>
Elliott Kleinrock <elliott@oliafd.shel.isc-br.com>
Emru Townsend <emru@cam.org>
Eric  Gaumond <gaumond@mitre.org>
Eric J. Bartelsman <fed!m1ejb00@uunet.uu.net>
Eric J. Olson <ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu>
Eric Loyd - Data Center Operations, x7320 <ECLDCO@techno.isc.rit.edu>
Eric Shepherd <uerics@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu>
Erik Seaberg <seaberg@u.washington.edu>
Floyd Davidson <floyd@ims.alaska.edu>
Forrest Howard, Director of Parallel Systems <fhowarda@us.oracle.com>
Foster Schucker <tredysvr!nzkites!foster@gvls1.gvl.unisys.com>
Fred Heutte <phred@well.sf.ca.us>
Fred Rump from home <fr@icdi10.compu.com>
>From rare places come rare experiences. 01-Sep-1992 0818 <marks@ssdevo.enet.dec.com>
G.B.D.Brown@bnr.co.uk
GEESLIN@vms.ocom.okstate.edu
Gary Goldberg <og@access.digex.com>
Gary Morris <garym@pulsar.telesoft.com>
Geoff Peck <siamese!geoff@sj.ate.slb.com>
Geoffrey Hopcraft <HOPCRAFT@ecs.umass.edu>
George S Kaczowka <gsk@ziggy.idx.com>
Gerry Swetsky <lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us>
Gilles Detillieux <grdetil@larry.scrc.umanitoba.ca>
Glenn Gray <ggray@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu>
Gordon Dohle <DOHLE@vax2.concordia.ca>
Graeme Hart <hart.actrix.gen.nz!graeme@uupsi.UUCP>
Greg Franklin <F67700241@ccit.arizona.edu>
Greg Moore <dp35@mc1adm.uwaterloo.ca>
Gregory G. Woodbury <ggw@wolves.durham.nc.us>
Gregory Gulik <gulik@ebony.rtsg.mot.com>
Gregory M Marr <gregm@wpi.wpi.edu>
Gwochyuan Chen <bn050@cleveland.freenet.edu>
Harry Bloomberg <hpb@hpb.cis.pitt.edu>
Hiroto Shibuya <shibuya@mailhost.bl.cad.slb.com>
Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani <ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk>
Howard_Ship@vos.stratus.com
Hsin-Yuan Huang <hhuang@sbee.sunysb.edu>
Huma Dragonbane <lucas@scicom.alphacdc.com>
I can't drive 55 <DEMON@desire.wright.edu>
In-Jerng Choe <choe@dirac.phys.washington.edu>
Irving Shang-Yi Hsu <ihsu@eng.umd.edu>
J. Eric Townsend <jet@nas.nasa.gov>
J. Scott Anderson <sanderso@digi.lonestar.org>
J. Scott Farrow <farrow@fido.colorado.edu>
J. Taggart Gorman <jtgorman@cs.arizona.edu>
J.W. <jwbutler@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
Jack Decker <Jack@myamiga.mixcom.com>
Jack Previdi <p00020@mail.psi.net>
James H. Cloos Jr. <cloos@tc.cornell.edu>
James Offutt <jeko@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
James Ralston Crawford <qralston@cislabs.pitt.edu>
Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting <jeh@cmkrnl.com>
Jan Timm <timm@mpi-sb.mpg.de>
Jason Galanter <n3hnr@hpb.cis.pitt.edu>
Jay Maynard <jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu>
Jean-Jacques P. Drolet <drolet@drolet.cam.org>
Jeff Dairiki <dairiki@u.washington.edu>
Jeff Goldader <goldader@hale.ifa.hawaii.edu>
Jeff Meyer <moriarty@tc.fluke.com>
Jeff Miller <cornhead@netcom.com>
Jeff Szczepanski <szczepan@dtcs141.dtc.kodak.com>
Jeff Wishnie <wishnie@blowfish.taligent.com>
Jeffrey C Jodoin <jcj2879@cs.rit.edu>
Jerry Gally <gally@anubis.network.com>
Jerry Gulla <u6f89@lfkw2.bgm.link.com>
Jerry Leichter <leichter@lrw.com>
Jerry Miller <jjm70@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>
Jim -- DTN 223-5747 -- Moved to MLO5-2/13A <reisert@mast.enet.dec.com>
Jim A Snowden <Jim.Snowden@uk.cray.com>
Jim Apriletti <aprilett@cgl.ucsf.edu>
Jim Ault <aultj@rpi.edu>
Jim Cabral <cabralje@maxwell.ee.washington.edu>
Jim Liston <megatest!bldg2fs1!jliston@sun.eng.sun.com>
Jim Vienneau  - Sun Microsystems <Jim.Vienneau@east.sun.com>
Jim Williams <williams@nssdcs.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Joe Kelsey <kelsey@mdd.comm.mot.com>
Joel C. Justen <crpi!joel@uunet.uu.net>
John Bailey <bailey@seas.gwu.edu>
John Burnette <spock!jburne@uupsi.UUCP>
John Conner <conner@empire.empire.com>
John D. Zitterkopf <jdz1@ra.msstate.edu>
John Harkin <jh@nbn.com>
John Lee <plee@panix.com>
John Lynch Davis <jld2@lehigh.edu>
John Mahoney <john.mahoney@channel1.com>
John Townsend <johnt@meaddata.com>
John Will <john.will@satalink.com>
Jonathan B. Horen <horen@rs.com>
Jonathan Kruger <jon@socrates.umd.edu>
Jonathan Thornburg <jonathan@hoffmann.ph.utexas.edu>
Jong Y. Lee <jong@seas.ucla.edu>
Joseph Malloy <jmalloy@itsmail1.hamilton.edu>
Joseph O. Hines Jr. <sasjsh@unx.sas.com>
Joshua Kronengold <JOKHC@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
Jueychong Ong <ong@ground.cs.columbia.edu>
KG27515@uafsysb.uark.edu
KJH6@psuvm.psu.edu
KOENIG@vms.cis.pitt.edu
Kamesh Ramakrishna <kamesh_ramakrishna@macmail.ma30.bull.com>
Keith Ward N5OOD <kward@rowdy.lonestar.org>
Keith Woodard <woodard@cs.buffalo.edu>
Kelly Deyoe <deyoe@chmsr.isye.gatech.edu>
Ken Olum <kdo@marie.mit.edu>
Kenneth Fribert <kensaga@diku.dk>
Kent Dalton <kentd@bach.ftcollinsco.ncr.com>
Kevin Nechodom <knechod@stacc.med.utah.edu>
Kevin O'Gorman <kosman!kevin@uunet.uu.net>
Kevin_Story <kevins@hpcvnb.cv.hp.com>
Khushro Shahookar <khushro@niagara.eecs.umich.edu>
Kim DeVaughn <ked01@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>
Kristen McQuillin <kristen@telerama.pgh.pa.us>
L L Campbell <campbell@bach.udel.edu>
Larry Gilmore <gilmore@venice.sedd.trw.com>
Larry Larson <llarson@gateway.mitre.org>
Lee Chen <polarsun!lee@rna.rockefeller.edu>
Lee Havemann <HAVEMANN_L@spcvxa.spc.edu>
Leon Wicki <lwicki@digi.lonestar.org>
Leonid V. Yakovlev <hm.spb.su!hal@uupsi.UUCP>
Levin F Magruder <levin@world.std.com>
Life... <gberigan@cse.unl.edu>
Lisa Bjarke <lisa@wilbur.dfrf.nasa.gov>
Lori Inglett <loriae@teak.cray.com>
MBAYA@antioc.antioch.edu
Marc G. Frank <mgfrank@avernus.com>
Marc Moorcroft <smarry@zooid.guild.org>
MargARET D. Gibbs <gibbsm@ll.mit.edu>
Margaret Keller <keller@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
Mario Goertzel <mariogo@microsoft.com>
Mark Adam <adam@paix.sw.stratus.com>
Mark Ng <mng@pca54.mng.com>
Mark Purtill <purtill@ccr-p.ida.org>
Mark Sicignano <mark@hsi.com>
Mark Solsman <solsman@ra.nrl.navy.mil>
Mark Vidov <mvidov@athena.mit.edu>
Marshall Abrams <ab2r@midway.uchicago.edu>
Marty Rattner - SMCC Professional Services <Marty.Rattner@corp.sun.com>
Matthew C. Jones <mjones@razi.eecs.umich.edu>
Matthew Coriale (x37975 <nobody@kodak.com>
Matthew E. Merkelson <memco@cns.nyu.edu>
Michael Browner <browner@sun1.interlan.com>
Michael Chang <nulspace@cs.umd.edu>
Michael F Horgan <mfh@world.std.com>
Michael Faurot <phzzzt!mfaurot@uunet.uu.net>
Michael George Buening <mikeb@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu>
Michael L. Hall <mlh@cygnus.ta52.lanl.gov>
Michael P. Deffendall <mpdeffen@crdec6.apgea.army.mil>
Michael P. Deignan <kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net>
Michael R Linksvayer <mrl28033@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
Michael Schuh <schuh@mdd.comm.mot.com>
Mike A. Pasek <pasek@ncrons.stpaul.ncr.com>
Mike Campbell  <mcampbel@eola.cs.ucf.edu>
Mike Dodd <dodd!dodd@seq.uncwil.edu>
Mike Herman <mike@hernix.org>
Mike Johnston <mjohnsto@shearson.com>
Mike Miskulin <mmm@qedqcd.rye.ny.us>
Mike Murphy <mrm@optigfx.com>
Mike Shirley <mikey@slic.cts.com>
Munkacsy <m2m@ssd.ray.com>
Murray Nesbitt <pseudo!mjn@uunet.uu.net>
Nathan Lee <lee@nic.gac.edu>
Nick Duffek <ednor!nsd@wizvax.methuen.ma.us>
Noe Garza <ngarza@digi.lonestar.org>
Not A Random Name <kreme@nyx.cs.du.edu>
OBERLAND@vax.sonoma.edu
Oleg Rovner <oleg@crumpet.cts.com>
OmniSoft <omnisoft@netcom.com>
Orion@cup.portal.com
Otto Heuer #3 <ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
PK5685@u.washington.edu
Pat Kane <pat@anacapa.ncel.navy.mil>
Patrick Clancey <CLANCEY@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu>
Patrick LEROY (Bull Worldwide Information Systems) <PLEROY@us.oracle.com>
Paul Alexander Gomme <gomme@sfu.ca>
Paul C. Romano <romano@monolith.bellcore.com>
Paul Hutmacher <paul@xcluud.sccsi.com>
Paul Robichaux <robichau@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>
Paul_J._Graziano.Wbst200ul@xerox.com
Pete Boulay <PJB4288@ritvax.isc.rit.edu>
Peter C. Sun <psun@ecn.purdue.edu>
Peter Clitherow <pc@breeze.bellcore.com>
Peter Vines <psv2b@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu>
Peter Von Ege <ege@plains.nodak.edu>
Peter W. De Bonte <pd2n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Phil Kramer <p00014@psilink.com>
RAVEN Winter <raven@lclark.edu>
RFM.at.PSUVM@psuvm.psu.edu
RUX@wistb.wistar.upenn.edu
Randolph Turner <orb@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu>
Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
Ray Lampman <lampman@fullfeed.com>
Rich Brennan <brennan@merk.com>
Richard Gorton <gorton@blorf.ltn.dec.com>
Richard H. Miller <rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu>
Richard Kulawiec <rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu>
Richard P. Muller <rpm@wag.caltech.edu>
Richard Pan  <rpan@hstbme.mit.edu>
Richard Reiner <rreiner@nexus.yorku.ca>
Rick O'Shea <ricochet@spatula.rent.com>
Rick Rodman <rickr@virtech.vti.com>
Rob Cartaino <rob@skylinx2.skylinx.sa.com>
Robert J. McNamara <rob@cad4.lbl.gov>
Robert Landry <rlandry@digi.lonestar.org>
Robert Myhre <myhre@plains.nodak.edu>
Robert Rhode <rhode@ee.rochester.edu>
Ron HALL <thorn@java.cc.mcgill.ca>
Ron Vyhmeister (312)-996-5199 <U53805@uicvm.uic.edu>
Russ Jorgensen <rbj@druhi.att.com>
SESTES@ukcc.uky.edu
Sam Hill Cabal, DS <tsdavies@mailbox.syr.edu>
Samuel Roy Helwig <sh4j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Sandy Bendremer <sandyb@world.std.com>
Sandy Duveneck <duveneck@cs.uwp.edu>
Sascha Wildner <swildner@channelz.gun.de>
Scott Barman <scott@asd.com>
Scott Blachowicz <statsci!scott@uunet.uu.net>
Scott Curry <scurry@srg.af.mil>
Scott D. Curtin <sc4x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Scott I. Logan <logan@torag.guild.org>
Sean Petty <seanp@undr.org>
Soroka Alexander Vasilevich <ukrcom.sebastopol.ua!alex@relay.ussr.eu.net>
Stanley (S.T.H.) Chow <schow@bnr.ca>
Stephan Heilmayr <heilmayr@math.berkeley.edu>
Stephan Muhs <colonius@dino.dinoco.de>
Steve Gibbons <SPG@nereid.sunquest.com>
Steve Pike - Sun Customer Service <Steve.Pike@east.sun.com>
Steve Turner <turner@csrd.uiuc.edu>
Steven White <dipswich@catt.ncsu.edu>
Stu Labovitz <stu@valinor.mythical.com>
Stuart M Lichtenthal <smlg1015@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
Stuart Milton <swmilton@u.washington.edu>
Stuart S Goldstone <golds_ss@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
Sunil Gupta <sg@monsoon.com>
System Operator <egf-bbs!mike@plains.nodak.edu>
Ted Koppel <server!tkoppel@carl.org>
Theo Deraadt <deraadt@newt.cuc.ab.ca>
Thomas Aaron Insel <tinsel@uiuc.edu>
Thomas Arneberg <toma@romulus.cray.com>
Tim Ramsey <tar@math.ksu.edu>
Tim Sullivan <sulli_t@cs.unr.edu>
Tim Tyhurst <tim@dogmead.looking.on.ca>
Timothy VanFosson <timv@ccad.uiowa.edu>
Timothy W Tjarks <tjarks@iedit1.att.com>
Todd Cooper <merk!uvmark!todd@uupsi.UUCP>
Todd Heatherton <th@isr.harvard.edu>
Todd Mummert <mummert@auk.warp.cs.cmu.edu>
Tom Atwater <toma@hyperion.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Tom Fitzgerald <fitz@wang.com>
Tom Haapanen <tomh@wes.on.ca>
Tomislav Lozic <tom@bumrl1.bu.edu>
Tony Matt <tonym@world.std.com>
Toshi Takeuchi <tt@wag.caltech.edu>
Tuomas Siren <siren@cs.hut.fi>
Ulf Bahrenfuss <wanagin@kingkong.bs.open.de>
V Balaji <balaji@nexus.yorku.ca>
Valerie E Polichar <valerie@sdacs.ucsd.edu>
Vern <cwvernon@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
Vijay Tulsiani <vt2c@hagar5.acc.virginia.edu>
Vincent Hurtubise <hurtubis@a.chem.upenn.edu>
Wesner L. Precil <precil@acad.wit.edu>
William R. Quayle <billq@pogo.fnal.gov>
William Y. Lai <lai@seas.gwu.edu>
Yat Lok L. Cheung <ycheung@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu>
Zeke Koch <zeke@reed.edu>
a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com
ahm@hoserve.att.com
ash@sni.ca
bdg@caril.inria.fr
bill d'Amico <damico@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
bimbo!ukelele!cjl@pyrdc.va.pyramid.com.va.pyramid.com
brecher@husc.harvard.edu
cook@cps.msu.edu
dab7w@beech.cs.virginia.edu
dan  cornett <cornett@geneva.crd.ge.com>
davison@living.rutgers.edu
deborah samuels <dsamuels@digi.lonestar.org>
devon!paul@hobbes.cert.org
donyee@athena.mit.edu
dougj@sail.labs.tek.com
eh? <joel@jach.hawaii.edu>
eric@tvnews.tv.tek.com
eric@wolf359.ustores.missouri.edu
erico@narrator.pen.tek.com
eriks@gs37.sp.cs.cmu.edu
esther@verdix.com
gordon e. banks <geb@dsl.pitt.edu>
goudswaa@sfu.ca
gregory d moncreaff <moncrg@iear.arts.rpi.edu>
gt4824a@prism.gatech.edu
hinkens@macc.wisc.edu
hwang@wustlb.wustl.edu
ian@sq.com
janowsky@einstein.rutgers.edu
jdurand@mitre.org
jharris@libra.afsoc.af.mil
josh@osf.org
jswitzer@afit.af.mil
kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca
larry@theory.phys.virginia.edu
lbabb@ucoc1.is.battelle.org
lhanson <lhanson@moose.uvm.edu>
lizard@cats.ucsc.edu
lmm@mhcnet.att.com
marier@blkcmb.zso.dec.com
mhpower@stan.mit.edu
mmt@redbrick.com
moebius <bbs.moebius@goonsquad.spies.com>
neptons!roger@uupsi.UUCP (Roger Barth)
news_for@ae.ge.com
pasek@ncrons.StPaul.NCR.COM
paula@prc.unisys.com
pauls@css.itd.umich.edu
pks@neptune.att.com
pshuang@athena.mit.edu
reward@eos.ncsu.edu
rfisel@informix.com
rodrigo vanegas <rv@cs.brown.edu>
ruman@maemaster.eng.uci.edu
sapphire@u.washington.edu
schimken@cs.rpi.edu
scott.powell@amail.amdahl.com
sestes@ncc.uky.edu
shawn <shawn@ucrmath.ucr.edu>
simmons@cs.washington.edu
skinner@oyster.smcm.edu
smk@osf.org
smoon@strfleet.gsfc.nasa.gov
the stupid one <warren@wam.umd.edu>
tmc!david@uunet.uu.net
unknown@apple.com
vannuysd@sonoma.edu
vary@sfu.ca
victor porguen <vporguen@unlinfo.unl.edu>
wbe@bbn.com
wbk@nl-wkulecz.jsc.nasa.gov
wilde@cs.colorado.edu
william E Davidsen <davidsen@ariel.crd.ge.com>

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    Proposal    Yes   No  Abs    Margin  % in favor    Result
  ==========    =============    ==================    ======
        comm    307  172    9      135     64.1%        FAIL
           d    341  133   14      208     71.9%        PASS
         mac    343  137    8      206     71.5%        PASS

       other    325  149   14      176     68.6%        PASS
    pc-clone    344  138    6      206     71.4%        PASS
    printers    310  168   10      142     64.9%        FAIL

    software    320  164    4      156     66.1%        FAIL
     storage    303  173   12      130     63.7%        FAIL
 workstation    326  148   14      178     68.8%        PASS


488 total votes
239(49.0%) all-yes votes
105(21.5%) all-no votes
0(0.0%) all-abstain votes.

Proposals needed 100 more yes votes than no votes and at least twice
as many yes votes as no votes.

Attached is a list of the individual votes which were received and
counted.  The listing is given in rudimentary alphabetic order.
Votes are arranged in the same order as the above summary.

NYANANNNN  /usr/spool/mail/gopstein <gopstein@helix.bms.com>
YYYYYYYYY  Abraham Kabanda <kabanda@tufnell.metaphor.com>
YYYYYYYYY  Adam Shostack <adam@das.harvard.edu>
YYYYYYYYY  Adlai Waksman <waksman@cfar.umd.edu>
NNNNNNNNN  Al Kossow <aek@haxrus.apple.com>
YYYYYNYYN  Alan Peterman <al@qiclab.scn.rain.com>
NYNYNNYNN  Alex Dillard <dillard@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
YYYYYYYYY  Alex Lecea <zeus@camelot.bradley.edu>
YYYYYYYYY  Alex Matulich <bilver!alex@peora.sdc.ccur.com>
YYYYYYYYY  Alexis Rosen <alexis@panix.com>
YYYYYYYYY  Alicia Lee Salomon <salomon@seas.gwu.edu>
YYYYYYYYY  Allan Rickards <arickard@ncrws1.peachtreecityga.ncr.com>
NNNNNNNNN  Andreas Meyer <ahm@wiretap.spies.com>
YYYYYYYYN  Andrew Bressen <bressen@shadow.cs.columbia.edu>
YYYYYYYYY  Andrew Bros <bros@neptune.convex.com>
NNNNNNNNN  "Andrew J. Kass" <delphi@media-lab.mit.edu>
NNNNNNNNN  "Andrew J. Petrarca" <android@wpi.wpi.edu>
NYYYYNNNN  Andrew Ward <award@auspex.com>
YYYYYYYYY  Andrew webster <andy-w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>
NNNNNNNNN  Android Rubin <arubin@apple.com>
NNNNNNNNN  Andy Wright <awbase!andyw@uunet.uu.net>
NNNNNNNNN  Anthony Wei <wei@yin.ucsd.edu>
YYAYYYYYY  "Antonio J Salerno, Jr" <ajs@windmill.att.com>
NNNNNNNNN  Apollo Wong <apollo@ee.ualberta.ca>
NNNNNNNNN  Arne Henrik Juul <arnej@kari.fm.unit.no>
YYYYYYYYY  "Arthur T. McClinton" <art@cyclone.mitre.org>
YYYYYYYYY  Austin Phelps <bilver!vicstoy!aphelps@peora.sdc.ccur.com>
YYYYYYYYY  "B.J. 02-Sep-1992 1110" <herbison@erlang.enet.dec.com>
YAYYYAYAY  Baldwin Ng <bng@tropel.gca.com>
YYYYYYYYY  Barbara Bury <barbara@ejv.com>
YYYYYNNNY  Barry Margolin <barmar@think.com>
NNNNNNNNN  Bdale Garbee <bdale@gag.com>
YYYYYYYYY  Beaker <MXD120@psuvm.psu.edu>
YYYYYYYYY  Bill Bogstad <bogstad@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
NAYYYNNNY  Bill Reeves <BREEVES@us.oracle.com>
NNNNNNNNN  Bill_von_Hagen@transarc.com
NNNNNNNNN  Bob Kupiec <olwejo!bob@uupsi.UUCP>
YAYYYYYYY  Bob Shew <SHEW_ROBERT_W@lilly.com>
YYYYYYYYY  Bob Sichler <bobs@ivy.unisys.com>
YYYYYYYYY  Bob Vaughan <techie@w6yx.stanford.edu>
YYYYYYYYY  Bob Williams <bob@copi.cmhnet.org>
NNYNYNYNY  Bob Witmer <eyring!rcw@snowbird.central.sun.com>
NYNNNNNNN  Brad Wallet <bwallet@apssgi.nswc.navy.mil>
NNNNNNNNN  Brent Earl <earl@khaki14.rtsg.mot.com>
YYYYYYYYY  Brian Catlin <bc338569@longs.lance.colostate.edu>
NNNNNNNNN  Brian Court <bac@netcom.com>
YYYYYYNYY  Brian Curtiss <curtiss@burn.colorado.edu>
YYYYYYYYY  Brian D Pollard <pollard@spock.ecs.umass.edu>
NNYYYNYNY  Brian Kenney <kenney@hsi.com>
NYNNNNNNN  Brian Michael Patten <patten@lumchan.ifa.hawaii.edu>
YYYYYYYYY  Bruce Clement <alfheim.actrix.gen.nz!frey@uupsi.UUCP>
YYYYYYYYY  Bruce Mackey <brucem@cinops.xerox.com>
YYYYYYYYY  Bruce Oneel  <oneel@arupa.gsfc.nasa.gov>
AYYNYYYYY  Casey Bahr <casey@asi.com>
YYYYYYYYY  Cathi Cook <cook@sungod.crd.ge.com>
YYYYYYYYY  Chad Burkins <CTB103@psuvm.psu.edu>
YYYNYYYYY  Charles Fee <CXF111@psuvm.psu.edu>
YYYYYYYYY  Charlie Pilzer <clp@beartrk.beartrack.com>
YYYYYYYYY  Chih-Pong Lin <cpl10@cd.amdahl.com>
NYNNNNNNN  Chip Rosenthal <chip@chinacat.unicom.com>
YYYYYYYYY  Chip Salzenberg <chip@tct.com>
NNNNNNNNN  Chris Blackmon <protein@catt.ncsu.edu>
YYYYYYYYY  Chris Ellington <chrielli@bsu-cs.bsu.edu>
NNNNNNNNN  Chris Penington <cjp8b@dayhoff.med.virginia.edu>
NYNNNNNNN  Chris Wolf <chris@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu>
NNNNNNNNN  "Christophe M. Kalisiak" <kalisiak@acsu.buffalo.edu>
YYYYYYYYY  Christopher Jeanrichard <christof@world.std.com>
YYYYYYYYY  Christopher Oliver <oliver@angst.cs.wmich.edu>
YYYYYYYYY  Christopher Wroten <cfw@unixland.natick.ma.us>
NNNNNNNNN  Chuck 'Down But Not Out' McMath <mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov>
NNNYNNYNN  Chuck Farmer <cfarmer@ncsa.uiuc.edu>
YYYYYYYYY  Clark Coffman <coffman@plains.nodak.edu>
YYYYYYYYY  "Cloyce." <cloyce@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
YYYAYYYAA  Craig Carpenter Harris Corp/ISD Phone (407)984-6444 Fax (407)984-6327 <ccarpent@dw3f.ess.harris.com>
NNNNNNNNN  Craig Presnell <mcp@netcom.com>
NNNNNNNNN  Curtis Chen <chen4@cs.wmich.edu>
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YYYYAYNAA  Toshi Takeuchi <tt@wag.caltech.edu>
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YYYYYYYYY  Vincent Hurtubise <hurtubis@a.chem.upenn.edu>
ANYAAYYYY  "Wesner L. Precil" <precil@acad.wit.edu>
YYYYYYYYY  Will Fitzgerald <will@ils.nwu.edu>
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NNNNNNNNN  "Yat Lok L. Cheung" <ycheung@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu>
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NNNNNNNNN  brecher@husc.harvard.edu
YYYYYYYYY  Bernhard G. Fleuti <b.fleuti@decus.ch>
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YYYYYYYYY  cook@cps.msu.edu
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YYYYYYYYY  tmc!david@uunet.uu.net
YYYYYYNNY  davison@living.rutgers.edu
NNNNNNNNN  deborah samuels <dsamuels@digi.lonestar.org>
YYYYYYYYY  donyee@athena.mit.edu
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NNNNNNNNN  eric@wolf359.ustores.missouri.edu
NNNNNNNNN  erico@narrator.pen.tek.com
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YYYYYYYYY  gregory d moncreaff <moncrg@iear.arts.rpi.edu>
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YYYYYYYYY  hinkens@macc.wisc.edu
NYNANNNNA  hwang@wustlb.wustl.edu
NNNNNNNNN  ian@sq.com
YYYYYYYYY  james keen U <jkeen3@mach1.wlu.ca>
NNNNNNNNN  janowsky@einstein.rutgers.edu
NNYYYNYNY  jdurand@mitre.org
YYYYYYYYY  jharris@libra.afsoc.af.mil
NYNNNNNNN  josh@osf.org
YYYYYYYYY  jswitzer@afit.af.mil
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YYYYYYYYY  kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca
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From tomh@metrics.com Wed Jun 29 13:30:19 1994
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone,misc.forsale.computers.other,misc.forsale.computers.workstation,misc.forsale.computers.mac,misc.forsale.computers.d
Subject: RFD: misc.forsale.computers.* new groups
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Date: 29 Jun 1994 10:51:03 -0400
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                        REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION
                             on creating
                   misc.forsale.computers.storage
                   misc.forsale.computers.communications
                   misc.forsale.computers.monitors
                   misc.forsale.computers.printers


RATIONALE
    The misc.forsale.computers is one of the busiest hierarchies on Usenet.
    Its usefulness is further limited by excessive crossposting and the
    difficulty of determining the correct groups for many items.

    The last misc.forsale.computers reorganization created a number of
    subgroups for the sale of computer hardware and software:
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone
        misc.forsale.computers.other
        misc.forsale.computers.workstation
        comp.sys.macintosh.wanted (*separate hierarchy*)

    While this division makes it clear where to sell or to look for a
    Sun workstation, or a 386-based PC, or a Macintosh, it does not 
    take into account the increasingly large amount of hardware that
    is standardized across platforms.  SCSI disks, tape drives, modems,
    laser, inkjet and dot matrix printers and multiscan monitors are
    usable on a wide variety of equipment.

    Where does one advertise a multiscan monitor today?  In .pc-clone?
    But it's not a clone in itself, so maybe it should go into .other?
    But if it's a 17" monitor, maybe the folks in .workstation would
    be more interested...  They might also appear as the right target
    market for a 1 GB SCSI drive -- but maybe it should be cropssposted
    to *all* the groups since everyone can use SCSI drives.

    Clearly there is no well-defined place for selling standardized
    cross-platform peripherals.  Providing a place for this hardware
    will not only make it easier to buy and sell such equipment, it will
    also reduce the amount of cross-posting into groups such as
    .workstation.

CURRENT READERSHIP DATA
        +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.
        |     +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population
        |     |     +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all
        |     |     |      +-- Recent traffic (messages per month)
        |     |     |      |    +-- Recent traffic (megabytes per month)
        |     |     |      |    |      +-- Share: % of newsrders
        |     |     |      |    |      |    who read this group.
        V     V     V      V    V      V  
 109 150000  1243   72%  5486   4.9    2.5%  misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone 
 172 130000  1041   70%  2935   2.6    2.1%  misc.forsale.computers.mac 
 194 120000   989   72%  2233   1.6    2.0%  misc.forsale.computers.other 
 331  99000   819   69%   967   0.7    1.6%  misc.forsale.computers.workstation 
 445  86000   717   69%   361   0.4    1.4%  misc.forsale.computers.d 

PROPOSED CHARTERS
    misc.forsale.computers.storage (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.storage is primarily for articles to sell
        or buy hardware-independent storage devices.  Typically this is
        SCSI equipment (of various flavours): hard disks, tape drives, DAT
        drives, CD-ROMs, optical disks, removable hard disks and others.
        Hardware-dependent equipment (such as IDE hard disks or QIC
        tape drives) would also be acceptable.

    misc.forsale.computers.communications (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.communications is for articles to sell or
        buy hardware-independent communications equipment.  This is most
        commonly asynchronous modems (v.32, v.32bis, v.34 and others), but
        also synchronous modems, terminal servers and network hubs and
        cabling systems.

    misc.forsale.computers.monitors (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.monitors is for articles to sell or buy
        computer monitors.  Most commonly this would be hardware-inde-
        pendent multiscan monitors, but possibly also LCD or eleectro-
        luminescent ddisplay panels, projection displays or fixed-
        frequency monitors.

    misc.forsale.computers.printers (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.printers is for articles to buy and sell
        hardcopy output devices of all types, including laser printers,
        LED printers, inkjet printers, dot matrix printers, thermal
        printers, line printers and pen plotters.

DISCUSSION AND VOTING
    The discussion period lasts for 21 days from the date in the header
    of this article.  All discussion should take place in news.groups.
    The groups in this proposal are subject to change, and if necessary,
    a second, revised RFD will be posted prior to the end of the 
    discussion period.

    A CFV (Call for Votes) will be posted after the end of the discussion
    period.  The vote will be run by a neutral third party.

    This RFD attempts to fully comply with Usenet newsgroup creation
    guidelines set in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup". Please
    refer to this document if you have questions about the process.
-- 
[ /tom haapanen -- tomh@metrics.com -- software metrics inc -- waterloo, ont ]
[ "the edsel is here to stay"                            -- henry ford, 1957 ]

From tomh@metrics.com Thu Jul 28 17:24:42 1994
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone,misc.forsale.computers.other,misc.forsale.computers.workstation,misc.forsale.computers.mac,misc.forsale.computers.d
Subject: 2nd RFD: misc.forsale.computers.* new groups
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Date: 28 Jul 1994 16:26:15 -0400
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Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5401 news.groups:110020 misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone:66875 misc.forsale.computers.other:30921 misc.forsale.computers.workstation:11576 misc.forsale.computers.mac:34316 misc.forsale.computers.d:6153

                        REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION
                             on creating
                misc.forsale.computers.communications
                    misc.forsale.computers.memory
                   misc.forsale.computers.monitors
                   misc.forsale.computers.printers
                    misc.forsale.computers.storage
                             and renaming
              misc.forsale to misc.forsale.non-computer
  misc.forsale.computers.mac to misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific
misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone to misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific
    misc.forsale.computers.d to misc.forsale.computers.discussion

RATIONALE
    The misc.forsale.computers is one of the busiest hierarchies on Usenet.
    Its usefulness is further limited by excessive crossposting and the
    difficulty of determining the correct groups for many items.

    The last misc.forsale.computers reorganization created a number of
    subgroups for the sale of computer hardware and software:
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone
        misc.forsale.computers.other
        misc.forsale.computers.workstation
        comp.sys.macintosh.wanted (*separate hierarchy*)

    While this division makes it clear where to sell or to look for a
    Sun workstation, or a 386-based PC, or a Macintosh, it does not 
    take into account the increasingly large amount of hardware that
    is standardized across platforms.  SCSI disks, tape drives, modems,
    laser, inkjet and dot matrix printers and multiscan monitors are
    usable on a wide variety of equipment.

    Where does one advertise a multiscan monitor today?  In .pc-clone?
    But it's not a clone in itself, so maybe it should go into .other?
    But if it's a 17" monitor, maybe the folks in .workstation would
    be more interested...  They might also appear as the right target
    market for a 1 GB SCSI drive -- but maybe it should be crossposted
    to *all* the groups since everyone can use SCSI drives.

    Clearly there is no well-defined place for selling standardized
    cross-platform peripherals.  Providing a place for this hardware
    will not only make it easier to buy and sell such equipment, it will
    also reduce the amount of cross-posting into groups such as
    .workstation.

	Also, it is proposed that the .pc-clone and .mac groups be renamed to
	.pc-specific and .mac-specific to make it clear that these groups are
	intended for PC- and Macintosh-specific hardware only, and not for
	items such as printers, monitors and hard disks.  It is proposed that
	the .workstation group not be renamed to .unix-only, since workstations
	may or may not run Unix, and both PCs and Macintoshes are also capable 
	of running Unix.

	Finally, it is proposed that the group misc.forsale be renamed to
	misc.forsale.non-computer, as it is currently inundated with a variety
	of assorted and various postings about computer equipment.  A clear
	name will hopefully assist in retaining this group for things other 
	than computers.  Similarly, the .discussion group name will be far more
	obvious to new users of Usenet than the traditional .d currently used.

CURRENT READERSHIP DATA
        +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.
        |     +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population
        |     |     +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all
        |     |     |      +-- Recent traffic (messages per month)
        |     |     |      |    +-- Recent traffic (megabytes per month)
        |     |     |      |    |      +-- Share: % of newsrders
        |     |     |      |    |      |    who read this group.
        V     V     V      V    V      V  
 109 150000  1243   72%  5486   4.9    2.5%  misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone 
 172 130000  1041   70%  2935   2.6    2.1%  misc.forsale.computers.mac 
 194 120000   989   72%  2233   1.6    2.0%  misc.forsale.computers.other 
 331  99000   819   69%   967   0.7    1.6%  misc.forsale.computers.workstation 
 445  86000   717   69%   361   0.4    1.4%  misc.forsale.computers.d 

PROPOSED CHARTERS
    misc.forsale.computers.storage (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.storage is primarily for articles to sell
        or buy hardware-independent storage devices.  Typically this is
        SCSI equipment (of various flavours): hard disks, tape drives, DAT
        drives, CD-ROMs, optical disks, removable hard disks and others.
        Less hardware-independent equipment (such as IDE hard disks or QIC
        tape drives) would also be acceptable.

    misc.forsale.computers.memory (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.communications is for articles to sell or
		buy memory (RAM, ROM and flash memory) in all the myriad forms:
		SIMMs, SIPPs, DIPs, 8-bit and 9-bit, and anything anyone might have
		or need.

    misc.forsale.computers.communications (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.communications is for articles to sell or
        buy hardware-independent communications equipment.  This is most
        commonly asynchronous modems (v.32, v.32bis, v.34 and others), but
        also synchronous modems, terminal servers and network hubs and
        cabling systems.

    misc.forsale.computers.monitors (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.monitors is for articles to sell or buy
        computer monitors.  Most commonly this would be hardware-inde-
        pendent multiscan monitors, but possibly also LCD or eleectro-
        luminescent ddisplay panels, projection displays or fixed-
        frequency monitors.

    misc.forsale.computers.printers (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.printers is for articles to buy and sell
        hardcopy output devices of all types, including laser printers,
        LED printers, inkjet printers, dot matrix printers, thermal
        printers, line printers and pen plotters.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific is for articles to buy and sell
        computer equipment (systems, components and/or peripherals) and
		software that is specific to the PC "clone" platform.  It is not
		for platform-independent equipment.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific is for articles to buy and sell
        computer equipment (systems, components and/or peripherals) and
		software that is specific to the Macintosh platform.  It is not
		for platform-independent equipment.

    misc.forsale.computers.discussion (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.discussion is for discussion relating to
		the .forsale.computer groups, to items for sale in the same
		and any other .forsale-related articles that do not offer to sell
		or buy computer equipment.

COMMERCIAL ADVERTISING
    There have been several requests during this discussion to specifically
	outlaw commercial postings in the new groups' charters.  However, it is
	not clear to me how such a restriction should be worded, and exactly
	what would constitute a commercial posting.  Further comments on this
	topic are welcome.

DISCUSSION AND VOTING
    The discussion period will last at least a further 10 days from the
    date in the header of this 2nd RFD.  All discussion should take place
    in news.groups.  The groups in this proposal are subject to change,
    and if necessary, a final, further revised RFD will be posted prior
    to the end of the discussion period.

    A CFV (Call for Votes) will be posted after the end of the discussion
    period.  The vote will be run by a neutral third party.

    This RFD attempts to fully comply with Usenet newsgroup creation
    guidelines set in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup". Please
    refer to this document if you have questions about the process.
-- 
[ /tom haapanen -- tomh@metrics.com -- software metrics inc -- waterloo, ont ]
[ "where all men think alike, no one thinks very much"     -- walter lippman ]

From tomh@metrics.com Tue Aug 16 16:36:30 1994
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone,misc.forsale.computers.other,misc.forsale.computers.workstation,misc.forsale.computers.mac,misc.forsale.computers.d,misc.forsale,misc.wanted
Subject: 3rd RFD: misc.forsale.* reorganization
Followup-To: news.groups
Date: 15 Aug 1994 15:08:55 -0400
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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION
                           on creating
              misc.forsale.computers.communications
                  misc.forsale.computers.memory
                 misc.forsale.computers.monitors
                 misc.forsale.computers.printers
                 misc.forsale.computers.storage
          misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.software
           misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.systems
          misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.portables
         misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.video-cards
            misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc
         misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.motherboards
            misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.audio
         misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.video-cards
           misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.software
           misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.systems
             misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.misc
              misc.forsale.computers.other.software
              misc.forsale.computers.other.systems
                misc.forsale.computers.other.misc

                          and removing
                   misc.forsale.computers.mac
                  misc.forsale.computers.other
                 misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone

                          and renaming
	 misc.forsale.* HIERARCHY to misc.marketplace.*
            misc.forsale to misc.forsale.non-computer
  misc.forsale.computers.d to misc.forsale.computers.discussion


INTRODUCTION
    The misc.forsale.computers is one of the busiest hierarchies on Usenet,
    with over 20,000 articles posted each month in its various subgroups.
    Its usefulness is further limited by excessive crossposting and the
    difficulty of determining the correct groups for many items.

    While it was initially proposed to create only a handful of new groups
    for platform-independent hardware, the general consensus among those
    participating in the discussions has been to use this opportunity to
    create a logical organization for the present and the future.  As a
    result, this RFD proposes a comprehensive reorganization of all the
    misc.forsale.computers.* groups with only a few remaining untouched;
    *PLEASE* take the time to read through the rationale below to understand
    the reasoning behind the proposals.

RATIONALE
    1.  Non-computer group
	It is proposed that the group misc.forsale be renamed to misc.-
	forsale.non-computer as it is currently inundated with a variety
	of postings about computer equipment, making up 30-40% of the
	group's traffic.  A clear name will hopefully assist in retaining
	this group for things other than computers, and direct computer-
	related traffic to the appropriate subgroups in that subhierarchy.

    2.  Platform-independent hardware
	While the current division makes it clear where to sell or to look
	for a Sun workstation, or a 386-based PC, or a Macintosh, it does
	not take into account the increasingly large amount of hardware that
	is standardized across platforms.  SCSI disks, tape drives, modems,
	laser, inkjet and dot matrix printers and multiscan monitors are
	usable on a wide variety of equipment.

	Where does one advertise a multiscan monitor today?  In .pc-clone?
	But it's not a clone in itself, so maybe it should go into .other?
	But if it's a 17" monitor, maybe the folks in .workstation would
	be more interested...  They might also appear as the right target
	market for a 1 GB SCSI drive -- but maybe it should be crossposted
	to *all* the groups since everyone can use SCSI drives.

	Clearly there is no well-defined place for selling standardized
	cross-platform peripherals.  Providing a place for this hardware
	will not only make it easier to buy and sell such equipment, it will
	also reduce the amount of cross-posting into groups such as
	.workstation.

	Thus, it is proposed to create misc.{forsale,marketplace}.storage,
	.memory, .communications and .printers.

    3.  PC hardware
	The .pc-clone group is currently experiencing traffic in excess of
	200 articles on most days.  First, it is proposed that the .pc-clone
	be renamed to .pc-specific to make it clear that it is intended for
	PC-specific hardware only, and not for items such as printers,
	monitors and hard disks.

	Second, it is proposed to create several subgroups to handle the
	heavy traffic in the PC group.  These groups include .systems,
	.software, .video-cards (not .video in order to make it clear that
	monitors do not belong in this group), .audio, .motherboards and
	.misc.  Memory, monitors, modems and disks are to be posted in the
	hardware-independent groups.

    4.  Macintosh hardware
	The .mac group is also experiencing very heavy traffic, usually over
	100 articles per day.  First, it is proposed that the .mac be
	renamed to .mac-specific to make it clear that it is intended for
	Mac-specific hardware only, and not for items such as printers,
	monitors and hard disks.

	Second, it is proposed to create several subgroups to handle the
	heavy traffic.  These groups include .systems, .software, .video-
	cards (not .video in order to make it clear that monitors do not
	belong in this group), .portables and .misc.  Memory, monitors,
	modems and disks are to be posted in the hardware-independent groups.

    5.  Workstation hardware
	It is proposed that the .workstation group not be renamed to
	.unix-only, since workstations may or may not run Unix, and both PCs
	and Macintoshes are also capable of running Unix.  Further, the
	traffic is not currently high enough to warrant a split.

    6.  Discussion group
	Finally, the .discussion group name will be far more obvious to
	new users of Usenet than the traditional .d currently used.  This
	will hopefully reduce the large number of "for sale" articles that
	are currently posted to the .d group.

    7.  Hierarchy rename
	In order to reflect the groups' content of both buy and sell articles,
	a hierarchy name of .marketplace would be preferable to .forsale.
	However, group-advice@uunet.uu.net STRONGLY adviced against a rename
	of the hierarchy at this point, so it is not proposed at this time.

    8.	Commercial posts
	As it is impossible to prevent commercial posts; as there is no
	overall agreement on whether commercial posts should be banned; and 
	as it is not clear when commercial posts are "below market prices"
	(as per the FAQ), it is proposed that all commercial posts in the
	misc.forsale.* groups must contain the keyword COMMERCIAL: in the
	Subject: line.

	A keyword flagging mechanism will allow most readers to eliminate
	commercial posts (using KILL files) if they so wish; it will enable
	others to find the commercial posts easily, if they prefer to deal
	with businesses only; and it is a relatively harmless addition for
	business' posts, posing little incentive to ignore this guideline.

CURRENT READERSHIP DATA (July 1994)

	   +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.
	   |     +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population
	   |     |     +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all
	   |     |     |      +-- Recent traffic (messages per month)
	   |     |     |      |    +-- Recent traffic (megabytes per month)
	   |     |     |      |    |    +-- Share: % of newsrders
	   |     |     |      |    |    |    who read this group.
	   V     V     V      V    V    V  
      6 290000  2757  81%   5385  5.0  5.6%  misc.forsale 
     87 110000  1194  72%   6163  5.6  2.4%  misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone 
    151  90000   966  71%   2989  2.5  2.0%  misc.forsale.computers.mac 
    160  88000   928  72%   2370  1.9  1.9%  misc.forsale.computers.other 
    325  65000   707  70%    863  0.7  1.4%  misc.forsale.computers.workstation
    446  55000   603  69%    433  0.5  1.2%  misc.forsale.computers.d 
    957  30000   509  45%    575  0.6  1.0%  misc.forsale.computers *
   2056   7200   218  25%    128  0.0  0.4%  misc.forsale.wanted 

    * obsolete group

    [Note that the total readership estimates appear inaccurate due to the
     calculation method used; however, this does not affect the rationale of
     the current proposal.]

PROPOSED CHARTERS
    [Note that all groups permit buying *AND* selling of equipment.]

    misc.forsale.computers.storage (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.storage is primarily for articles to sell
        or buy hardware-independent storage devices.  Typically this is
        SCSI equipment (of various flavours): hard disks, tape drives, DAT
        drives, CD-ROMs, optical disks, removable hard disks and others.
        Less hardware-independent equipment (such as IDE hard disks or QIC
        tape drives) would also be acceptable.  Commercial postings must
	contain the keyword COMMERCIAL: in the Subject: line.

    misc.forsale.computers.memory (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.communications is for articles to sell or
	buy memory (RAM, ROM and flash memory) in all the myriad forms:
	SIMMs, SIPPs, DIPs, 8-bit and 9-bit, and anything anyone might have
	or need.  Commercial postings must contain the keyword COMMERCIAL:
	in the Subject: line.

    misc.forsale.computers.communications (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.communications is for articles to sell or
        buy hardware-independent communications equipment.  This is most
        commonly asynchronous modems (v.32, v.32bis, v.34 and others), but
        also synchronous modems, terminal servers and network hubs and
        cabling systems.  Commercial postings must contain the keyword
        COMMERCIAL: in the Subject: line.

    misc.forsale.computers.monitors (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.monitors is for articles to sell or buy
        computer monitors.  Most commonly this would be hardware-inde-
        pendent multiscan monitors, but possibly also LCD or eleectro-
        luminescent ddisplay panels, projection displays or fixed-
        frequency monitors.  Commercial postings must contain the keyword
        COMMERCIAL: in the Subject: line.

    misc.forsale.computers.printers (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.printers is for articles to buy and sell
        hardcopy output devices of all types, including laser printers,
        LED printers, inkjet printers, dot matrix printers, thermal
        printers, line printers and pen plotters.  Commercial postings must
	contain the keyword COMMERCIAL: in the Subject: line.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.systems (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.systems is for articles to buy
        and sell complete PC-compatible computer systems.  Commercial
        postings must contain the keyword COMMERCIAL: in the Subject: line.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.software (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.systems is for articles to buy
        and sell MS-DOS and Microsoft Windows-based software.  Commercial
        postings must contain the keyword COMMERCIAL: in the Subject: line.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.video-cards (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.systems is for articles to buy
        and sell video display cards for PC-compatible systems.  Commercial
        postings must contain the keyword COMMERCIAL: in the Subject: line.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.audio (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.systems is for articles to buy
        and sell audio equipment for PC-compatible systems.  Commercial
        postings must contain the keyword COMMERCIAL: in the Subject: line.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.motherboards (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.systems is for articles to buy
        and sell PC-compatible motherboards.  Commercial postings must
        contain the keyword COMMERCIAL: in the Subject: line.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.misc (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.misc is for articles to buy and
        sell PC-specific equipment not covered by other misc.forsale.-
	computers.pc-specific subgroups, or by the hardware-independent
	misc.forsale.computers subgroups (.storage, .monitors, .memory and
	.communications).  Commercial postings must contain the keyword
	COMMERCIAL: in the Subject: line.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.systems (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.systems is for articles to buy
        and sell complete Macintosh desktop and server systems.  Commercial
        postings must contain the keyword COMMERCIAL: in the Subject: line.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.portables (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.portables is for articles to buy
        and sell portable Macintosh (e.g. PowerBook) systems.  Commercial
        postings must contain the keyword COMMERCIAL: in the Subject: line.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.software (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.systems is for articles to buy
        and sell Macintosh-based software.  Commercial postings must contain
        the keyword COMMERCIAL: in the Subject: line.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.video-cards (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.systems is for articles to buy
        and sell video display cards for Macintosh systems.  Commercial
        postings must contain the keyword COMMERCIAL: in the Subject: line.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc is for articles to buy and
        sell Macintosh-specific equipment not covered by other misc.forsale.-
	computers.mac-specific subgroups, or by the hardware-independent
	misc.forsale.computers subgroups (.storage, .monitors, .memory and
	.communications).  Commercial postings must contain the keyword
	COMMERCIAL: in the Subject: line.

    misc.forsale.computers.discussion (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.discussion is for discussion relating to
	the .forsale.computer groups, to items for sale in the same
	and any other .forsale-related articles that do not offer to sell
	or buy computer equipment.

    misc.forsale.non-computer (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.non-computer is for articles to buy and sell any and
	all non-computer-related items.  Commercial postings must contain
	the keyword COMMERCIAL: in the Subject: line.

COMMERCIAL ADVERTISING
    There have been several requests during this discussion to specifically
    outlaw commercial postings in the new groups' charters.  However, it is
    not clear to me how such a restriction should be worded, and exactly
    what would constitute a commercial posting.  Further, it is not currently
    possible to effectively enforce a ban on commercial posting, even if
    such posts were clearly identifiable.

    As a result, it is proposed that all commercial postings must include
    the keyword COMMERCIAL: in the subject line.  This allows everyone to
    use the groups as currently, and yet allows people to easily kill the
    commercial posts if they so desire.  Further, it is neither an onerous
    nor a incapacitating requirement for commerical posters, who should
    thus hopefully be willing to co-operate with such a scheme.

DISCUSSION AND VOTING
    The discussion period will last at least a further 7 days from the
    date in the header of this 3rd RFD.  All discussion should take place
    in news.groups.  The groups in this proposal are subject to change,
    and if major changes are necessary, a final, 4th, RFD will be posted
    prior to the voting.

    A CFV (Call for Votes) will be posted after the end of the discussion
    period.  The vote will be run by a neutral third party.

    This RFD attempts to fully comply with Usenet newsgroup creation
    guidelines set in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup". Please
    refer to this document if you have questions about the process.
-- 
[ /tom haapanen -- tomh@metrics.com -- software metrics inc -- waterloo, ont ]
[ "work for something because it is good, not simply because                 ]
[  it has a chance to succeed."                              -- vaclav havel ]

From tomh@metrics.com Thu Sep  1 11:15:57 1994
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,biz.config,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone,misc.forsale.computers.other,misc.forsale.computers.workstation,misc.forsale.computers.mac,misc.forsale.computers.d,misc.forsale
Subject: 4th RFD: misc.forsale.* reorganization, biz.marketplace.*
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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION
                           on creating
                  misc.forsale.computers.modems
             misc.forsale.computers.network-hardware
                  misc.forsale.computers.memory
                 misc.forsale.computers.monitors
                 misc.forsale.computers.printers
                 misc.forsale.computers.storage
          misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.software
           misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.systems
          misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.portables
         misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.video-cards
            misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc
         misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.motherboards
            misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.audio
          misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables
         misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.video-cards
           misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.software
           misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.systems
             misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.misc
              misc.forsale.computers.other.software
              misc.forsale.computers.other.systems
                misc.forsale.computers.other.misc

                          and removing
		       misc.forsale.wanted
                   misc.forsale.computers.mac
                  misc.forsale.computers.other
                 misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone

                          and renaming
            misc.forsale to misc.forsale.non-computer
  misc.forsale.computers.d to misc.forsale.computers.discuss

[ AND creating biz.marketplace.* groups corresponding to to each of   ]
[ the proposed misc.forsale newsgroups, for commercial postings only. ]
[ The biz.marketplace.* proposal is outside the scope of the usual    ]
[ Guidelines, and thus will not be voted on in the traditional CFV.   ]



INTRODUCTION
    The misc.forsale.computers is one of the busiest hierarchies on Usenet,
    with over 20,000 articles posted each month in its various subgroups.
    Its usefulness is further limited by excessive crossposting and the
    difficulty of determining the correct groups for many items.

    While it was initially proposed to create only a handful of new groups
    for platform-independent hardware, the general consensus among those
    participating in the discussions has been to use this opportunity to
    create a logical organization for the present and the future.  As a
    result, this RFD proposes a comprehensive reorganization of all the
    misc.forsale.computers.* groups with only a few remaining untouched;
    *PLEASE* take the time to read through the rationale below to understand
    the reasoning behind the proposals.

RATIONALE
    1.  Non-computer group
	It is proposed that the group misc.forsale be renamed to misc.-
	forsale.non-computer as it is currently inundated with a variety
	of postings about computer equipment, making up 30-40% of the
	group's traffic.  A clear name will hopefully assist in retaining
	this group for things other than computers, and direct computer-
	related traffic to the appropriate subgroups in that subhierarchy.

    2.  Platform-independent hardware
	While the current division makes it clear where to sell or to look
	for a Sun workstation, or a 386-based PC, or a Macintosh, it does
	not take into account the increasingly large amount of hardware that
	is standardized across platforms.  SCSI disks, tape drives, modems,
	laser, inkjet and dot matrix printers and multiscan monitors are
	usable on a wide variety of equipment.

	Where does one advertise a multiscan monitor today?  In .pc-clone?
	But it's not a clone in itself, so maybe it should go into .other?
	But if it's a 17" monitor, maybe the folks in .workstation would
	be more interested...  They might also appear as the right target
	market for a 1 GB SCSI drive -- but maybe it should be crossposted
	to *all* the groups since everyone can use SCSI drives.

	Clearly there is no well-defined place for selling standardized
	cross-platform peripherals.  Providing a place for this hardware
	will not only make it easier to buy and sell such equipment, it will
	also reduce the amount of cross-posting into groups such as
	.workstation.

	Thus, it is proposed to create misc.{forsale,marketplace}.storage,
	.memory, .modems, .network-hardware and .printers.  It was originally
	proposed to create .communications, but this was split to .modems and
	.network-hardware after numerous comments in news.groups.

    3.  PC hardware
	The .pc-clone group is currently experiencing traffic in excess of
	200 articles on most days.  First, it is proposed that the .pc-clone
	be renamed to .pc-specific to make it clear that it is intended for
	PC-specific hardware only, and not for items such as printers,
	monitors and hard disks.

	Second, it is proposed to create several subgroups to handle the
	heavy traffic in the PC group.  These groups include .systems,
	.software, .video-cards (not .video in order to make it clear that
	monitors do not belong in this group), .audio, .motherboards and
	.misc.  Memory, monitors, modems and disks are to be posted in the
	hardware-independent groups.

	Several people are opposed to the -specific suffic due to the group
	name length; however, the opinions are quite evenly split, so I am
	using my best judgement and staying with the -specific suffix for
	the reasons outlined above.

    4.  Macintosh hardware
	The .mac group is also experiencing very heavy traffic, usually over
	100 articles per day.  First, it is proposed that the .mac be
	renamed to .mac-specific to make it clear that it is intended for
	Mac-specific hardware only, and not for items such as printers,
	monitors and hard disks.

	Second, it is proposed to create several subgroups to handle the
	heavy traffic.  These groups include .systems, .software, .video-
	cards (not .video in order to make it clear that monitors do not
	belong in this group), .portables and .misc.  Memory, monitors,
	modems and disks are to be posted in the hardware-independent groups.

	Several people are opposed to the -specific suffic due to the group
	name length; however, the opinions are quite evenly split, so I am
	using my best judgement and staying with the -specific suffix for
	the reasons outlined above.

    5.  Workstation hardware
	It is proposed that the .workstation group not be renamed to
	.unix-only, since workstations may or may not run Unix, and both PCs
	and Macintoshes are also capable of running Unix.  Further, the
	traffic is not currently high enough to warrant a split.

    6.  Discussion group
	Finally, the .discuss group name will be far more obvious to
	new users of Usenet than the traditional .d currently used.  This
	will hopefully reduce the large number of "for sale" articles that
	are currently posted to the .d group.

    7.  Hierarchy rename
	In order to reflect the groups' content of both buy and sell articles,
	a hierarchy name of .marketplace would be preferable to .forsale.
	However, group-advice@uunet.uu.net STRONGLY adviced against a rename
	of the hierarchy at this point, so it is not proposed at this time.

    9.	Wanted group
	It is proposed that all "wanted" or "buy" postings be posted in
	the specific newsgroups, and not in misc.forsale.wanted, which
	is barely used (only 2% of the traffic of the current .pc-clone
	group) and poorly propagated.  As a result, it is proposed that
	the current .wanted group be removed.

    9.	Commercial posts
	There is considerable opposition to commercial postings in the
	misc.forsale groups; however, there is no overall agreement on
	whether commercial posts should be totally banned; and there is
	no way to enforce such a ban.

	As a method of resolving this, it is proposed to create a new
	hierarchy, biz.marketplace.*, to mirror the misc.forsale.* group
	hierarchy, intended for exclusively commercial postings.  This
	will provide a clear place for such posts, while allowing the
	buyers to easily select a commercial or non-commercial seller.
	It will also allow sites so inclined to easily decline all 
	commercial postings.

	The biz.* hierarchy is generally fairly well proagated; most active
	groups have a propagation of around 55% of Usenet, only somewhat
	lower than misc.forsale.* groups' current 70% average -- and
	much better than misc.forsale.wanted's 25%.  An active marketplace
	hierarchy will also help to improve the biz.* propagation.

	The set of biz.marketplace.* groups to be created will correspond
	to the results of the misc.forsale.* vote; each group of the
	format misc.forsale.x{.y{.z}} will have a corresponding misc.-
	marketplace.x{.y{.z}} group for commercial postings.


CURRENT READERSHIP DATA (July 1994)

	   +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.
	   |     +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population
	   |     |     +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all
	   |     |     |      +-- Recent traffic (messages per month)
	   |     |     |      |    +-- Recent traffic (megabytes per month)
	   |     |     |      |    |    +-- Share: % of newsrders
	   |     |     |      |    |    |    who read this group.
	   V     V     V      V    V    V  
      6 290000  2757  81%   5385  5.0  5.6%  misc.forsale 
     87 110000  1194  72%   6163  5.6  2.4%  misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone 
    151  90000   966  71%   2989  2.5  2.0%  misc.forsale.computers.mac 
    160  88000   928  72%   2370  1.9  1.9%  misc.forsale.computers.other 
    325  65000   707  70%    863  0.7  1.4%  misc.forsale.computers.workstation
    446  55000   603  69%    433  0.5  1.2%  misc.forsale.computers.d 
    957  30000   509  45%    575  0.6  1.0%  misc.forsale.computers *
   2056   7200   218  25%    128  0.0  0.4%  misc.forsale.wanted 

    * obsolete group

    [Note that the total readership estimates appear inaccurate due to the
     calculation method used; however, this does not affect the rationale of
     the current proposal.]

PROPOSED CHARTERS
    [Note that`all groups permit buying *AND* selling of equipment.]

    misc.forsale.computers.storage (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.storage is primarily for articles to sell
        or buy hardware-independent storage devices.  Typically this is
        SCSI equipment (of various flavours): hard disks, tape drives, DAT
        drives, CD-ROMs, optical disks, removable hard disks and others.
        Less hardware-independent equipment (such as IDE hard disks or QIC
        tape drives) would also be acceptable.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.memory (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.memory is for articles to sell or buy memory
        (RAM, ROM and flash memory) in all the myriad forms: SIMMs, SIPPs,
        DIPs, 8-bit and 9-bit, and anything anyone might have or need.  No
        commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.modems (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.modems is for articles to sell or buy
        hardware-independent modems, most commonly asynchronous (v.32,
        v.32bis, v.34 and others), but also synchronous models.  No
        commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.network-hardware (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.network-hardware is for articles to sell or
        buy hardware-independent networking equipment.  This category
	contains, but is not limited to, routers, hubs, concentrators,
        terminal servers and cabling systems.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.monitors (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.monitors is for articles to sell or buy
        computer monitors.  Most commonly this would be hardware-inde-
        pendent multiscan monitors, but possibly also LCD or eleectro-
        luminescent ddisplay panels, projection displays or fixed-
        frequency monitors.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.printers (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.printers is for articles to buy and sell
        hardcopy output devices of all types, including laser printers,
        LED printers, inkjet printers, dot matrix printers, thermal
        printers, line printers and pen plotters.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.systems (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.systems is for articles to buy
        and sell complete PC-compatible desktop and/or tower computer systems.  
	No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables is for articles to buy
        and sell complete PC-compatible laptop and notebook computer systems.  
	No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.software (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.software is for articles to buy
        and sell MS-DOS, Microsoft Windows and other PC-specific software.
	No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.video-cards (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.video-cards is for articles to buy
        and sell video display cards for PC-compatible systems.  No commercial
        postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.audio (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.audio is for articles to buy
        and sell audio equipment for PC-compatible systems.  No commercial
        postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.motherboards (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.motherboards is for articles to
        buy and sell PC-compatible motherboards.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.misc (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.misc is for articles to buy and
        sell PC-specific equipment not covered by other misc.forsale.-
	computers.pc-specific subgroups, or by the hardware-independent
	misc.forsale.computers subgroups (.storage, .monitors, .memory and
	.communications).  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.systems (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.systems is for articles to buy
        and sell complete Macintosh desktop and server systems.  No commercial
        postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.portables (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.portables is for articles to buy
        and sell portable Macintosh (e.g. PowerBook) systems.  No commercial
        postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.software (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.software is for articles to buy
        and sell Macintosh-based software.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.video-cards (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.video-cards is for articles to buy
        and sell video display cards for Macintosh systems.  No commercial
        postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc is for articles to buy and
        sell Macintosh-specific equipment not covered by other misc.forsale.-
	computers.mac-specific subgroups, or by the hardware-independent
	misc.forsale.computers subgroups (.storage, .monitors, .memory and
	.communications).  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.other.systems (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.other.systems is for articles to buy and
        sell systems other than PC-compatibles, Macintoshes and workstations.
	No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.other.software (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.other.software is for articles to buy and
        sell software for systems other than PC-compatibles, Macintoshes
        and workstations.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.other.misc (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.other.misc is for articles to buy and sell
        other equipment not covered by the misc.forsale. computers.*
	subgroups, other than systems and software.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.discuss (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.discuss is for discussion relating to
	the .forsale.computer groups, to items for sale in the same
	and any other .forsale-related articles that do not offer to sell
	or buy computer equipment.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.non-computer (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.non-computer is for articles to buy and sell any and
	all non-computer-related items.  No commercial postings.

    The charter of each proposed biz.marketplace.* group would match the
    corresponding misc.forsale.* group, with the exception of the last 
    sentence, which would be changed to "Commercial postings only" for
    all biz.marketplace.* groups.

COMMERCIAL ADVERTISING
    There have been several requests during this discussion to specifically
    outlaw commercial postings in the new groups' charters.  With the
    proposal to create a mirroring biz.marketplace.* hierarchy, it is
    proposed that no commercial posting be permitted in misc.forsale
    groups -- "commercial" meaning sales in the ordinary course of 
    business.  Disposal of used and surplus equipment etc. would still
    be considered acceptable.

    All commercial posts should be made in the appropriate biz.marketplace.*
    group.

DISCUSSION AND VOTING
    The discussion period will last at least a further 7 days from the
    date in the header of this 4th RFD.  All discussion should take place
    in news.groups.  The groups in this proposal are subject to change,
    and if major changes are necessary, a final, 5th, RFD will be posted
    prior to the voting.

    A CFV (Call for Votes) will be posted after the end of the discussion
    period.  The vote will be run by a neutral third party.

    This RFD attempts to fully comply with Usenet newsgroup creation
    guidelines set in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup". Please
    refer to this document if you have questions about the process.

-- 
[ /tom haapanen -- tomh@metrics.com -- software metrics inc -- waterloo, ont ]
[ "time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana"                      ]


From gt0670e@prism.gatech.edu Tue Oct  4 15:36:04 1994
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From: gt0670e@prism.gatech.edu (Brennan T. Price)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,biz.config,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone,misc.forsale.computers.other,misc.forsale.computers.workstation,misc.forsale.computers.mac,misc.forsale.computers.d,misc.forsale
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                      FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                     misc.forsale.* reorganization

To CREATE the unmoderated groups: 
misc.forsale.computers.modems
misc.forsale.computers.net-hardware
misc.forsale.computers.memory
misc.forsale.computers.monitors
misc.forsale.computers.printers
misc.forsale.computers.storage
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.software
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.systems
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.portables
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.video
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.misc
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.motherboards
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.audio
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.video
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.misc
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.software
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.systems
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.misc
misc.forsale.computers.other.software
misc.forsale.computers.other.systems
misc.forsale.computers.other.misc

and REMOVE:
misc.forsale.computers.mac
misc.forsale.computers.other
misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone
                          
and RENAME:
misc.forsale             to misc.forsale.non-computer
misc.forsale.computers.d to misc.forsale.computers.discussion
misc.forsale.workstation to misc.forsale.computers.workstation

[ AND create biz.marketplace.* groups corresponding to to each of     ]
[ the proposed misc.forsale newsgroups, for commercial postings only. ]
[ The biz.marketplace.* proposal is outside the scope of the usual    ]
[ Guidelines, and thus will not be voted on in this traditional CFV.  ]

Newsgroups lines:

misc.forsale.computers.modems   Modems for sale and wanted.
misc.forsale.computers.net-hardware     Networking hardware for sale and wanted.
misc.forsale.computers.memory   Memory chips and modules for sale and wanted.
misc.forsale.computers.monitors Monitors and displays for sale and wanted.
misc.forsale.computers.printers Printers and plotters for sale and wanted.
misc.forsale.computers.storage  Disk, CDROM and tape drives for sale and wanted.
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.software    Macintosh software.
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.systems     Complete Macintosh systems.
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.portables   Portable Macintosh systems.
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.misc  Macintosh expansion cards.
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.video Macintosh video cards.
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc        Other Macintosh equipment.
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.motherboards PC motherboards.
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.audio        PC audio equipment.
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables    Portable PC systems.
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.misc   PC expansion cards.
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.video  PC video cards.
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.software     PC software.
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.systems      Complete PC systems.
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.misc Other PC-specific equipment.
misc.forsale.computers.other.software   Software for other systems.
misc.forsale.computers.other.systems    Complete other types of systems.
misc.forsale.computers.other.misc       Miscellaneous other equipment.
misc.forsale.non-computer       Non-computer items for sale and wanted.
misc.forsale.computers.discussion       Discussions only about items for sale.
misc.forsale.computers.workstation      Workstations for sale and wanted.


Votes must be received by 29:59:59 UTC, 25 Oct 1994.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact gt0670e@prism.gatech.edu.  For questions about the
proposed groups contact Tom Haapanen <tomh@metrics.com>.


INTRODUCTION
    The misc.forsale.computers is one of the busiest hierarchies on Usenet,
    with over 20,000 articles posted each month in its various subgroups.
    Its usefulness is further limited by excessive crossposting and the
    difficulty of determining the correct groups for many items.

    While it was initially proposed to create only a handful of new groups
    for platform-independent hardware, the general consensus among those
    participating in the discussions has been to use this opportunity to
    create a logical organization for the present and the future.  As a
    result, this RFD proposes a comprehensive reorganization of all the
    misc.forsale.computers.* groups with only a few remaining untouched;
    *PLEASE* take the time to read through the rationale below to understand
    the reasoning behind the proposals.

RATIONALE
    1.  Non-computer group
        It is proposed that the group misc.forsale be renamed to misc.-
        forsale.non-computer as it is currently inundated with a variety
        of postings about computer equipment, making up 30-40% of the
        group's traffic.  A clear name will hopefully assist in retaining
        this group for things other than computers, and direct computer-
        related traffic to the appropriate subgroups in that subhierarchy.

    2.  Platform-independent hardware
        While the current division makes it clear where to sell or to look
        for a Sun workstation, or a 386-based PC, or a Macintosh, it does
        not take into account the increasingly large amount of hardware that
        is standardized across platforms.  SCSI disks, tape drives, modems,
        laser, inkjet and dot matrix printers and multiscan monitors are
        usable on a wide variety of equipment.

        Where does one advertise a multiscan monitor today?  In .pc-clone?
        But it's not a clone in itself, so maybe it should go into .other?
        But if it's a 17" monitor, maybe the folks in .workstation would
        be more interested...  They might also appear as the right target
        market for a 1 GB SCSI drive -- but maybe it should be crossposted
        to *all* the groups since everyone can use SCSI drives.

        Clearly there is no well-defined place for selling standardized
        cross-platform peripherals.  Providing a place for this hardware
        will not only make it easier to buy and sell such equipment, it will
        also reduce the amount of cross-posting into groups such as
        .workstation.

        Thus, it is proposed to create misc.forsale.storage,
        .memory, .modems, .net-hardware and .printers.  It was originally
        proposed to create .communications, but this was split to .modems and
        .net-hardware after numerous comments in news.groups.

    3.  PC hardware
        The .pc-clone group is currently experiencing traffic in excess of
        200 articles on most days.  First, it is proposed that the .pc-clone
        be renamed to .pc-specific to make it clear that it is intended for
        PC-specific hardware only, and not for items such as printers,
        monitors and hard disks.

        Second, it is proposed to create several subgroups to handle the
        heavy traffic in the PC group.  These groups include .systems,
        software, .cards.video, .cards.misc, .audio, .motherboards and 
        .misc.  Memory, monitors, modems and disks are to be posted in the
        hardware-independent groups.

        Several people are opposed to the -specific suffic due to the group
        name length; however, the opinions are quite evenly split, so I am
        using my best judgement and staying with the -specific suffix for
        the reasons outlined above.

    4.  Macintosh hardware
        The .mac group is also experiencing very heavy traffic, usually over
        100 articles per day.  First, it is proposed that the .mac be
        renamed to .mac-specific to make it clear that it is intended for
        Mac-specific hardware only, and not for items such as printers,
        monitors and hard disks.

        Second, it is proposed to create several subgroups to handle the
        heavy traffic.  These groups include .systems, .software, 
        cards.video, cards.misc, .portables and .misc.  Memory, monitors,
        modems and disks are to be posted in the hardware-independent groups.

        Several people are opposed to the -specific suffic due to the group
        name length; however, the opinions are quite evenly split, so I am
        using my best judgement and staying with the -specific suffix for
        the reasons outlined above.

    5.  Workstation hardware
        It is proposed that the .workstation group not be renamed to
        .unix-only, since workstations may or may not run Unix, and both PCs
        and Macintoshes are also capable of running Unix.  Further, the
        traffic is not currently high enough to warrant a split.

    6.  Discussion group
        Finally, the .discussion group name will be far more obvious to
        new users of Usenet than the traditional .d currently used.  This
        will hopefully reduce the large number of "for sale" articles that
        are currently posted to the .d group.

    7.  Hierarchy rename
        In order to reflect the groups' content of both buy and sell articles,
        a hierarchy name of .marketplace would be preferable to .forsale.
        However, group-advice@uunet.uu.net STRONGLY advised against a rename
        of the hierarchy at this point, so it is not proposed at this time.

        Many people also requested to rename all the misc.forsale.computers.*
        groups to the somewhat shorter misc.forsale.computers.*.  This,
        however, was also strongly opposed by group-advice, so it is not
        included in this proposal.

    8.  Wanted postings
        It is proposed that all "wanted" or "buy" postings be posted in
        the specific newsgroups, and not in a separate newsgroup.

    9.  Commercial posts
        There is considerable opposition to commercial postings in the
        misc.forsale groups; however, there is no overall agreement on
        whether commercial posts should be totally banned; and there is
        no way to enforce such a ban.

        As a method of resolving this, it is proposed to create a new
        hierarchy, biz.marketplace.*, to mirror the misc.forsale.* group
        hierarchy, intended for exclusively commercial postings.  This
        will provide a clear place for such posts, while allowing the
        buyers to easily select a commercial or non-commercial seller.
        It will also allow sites so inclined to easily decline all
        commercial postings.

        The biz.* hierarchy is generally fairly well propagated; most active
        groups have a propagation of around 55% of Usenet, only somewhat
        lower than misc.forsale.* groups' current 70% average.  An
        active marketplace hierarchy will also help to improve the biz.* 
        propagation.

        The set of biz.marketplace.* groups to be created will correspond
        to the results of the misc.forsale.* vote; each group of the
        format misc.forsale.x{.y{.z}} will have a corresponding biz.-
        marketplace.x{.y{.z}} group for commercial postings.


CURRENT READERSHIP DATA (July 1994)

           +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.
           |     +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population
           |     |     +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all
           |     |     |      +-- Recent traffic (messages per month)
           |     |     |      |    +-- Recent traffic (megabytes per month)
           |     |     |      |    |    +-- Share: % of newsrders
           |     |     |      |    |    |    who read this group.
           V     V     V      V    V    V
      6 290000  2757  81%   5385  5.0  5.6%  misc.forsale
     87 110000  1194  72%   6163  5.6  2.4%  misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone
    151  90000   966  71%   2989  2.5  2.0%  misc.forsale.computers.mac
    160  88000   928  72%   2370  1.9  1.9%  misc.forsale.computers.other
    325  65000   707  70%    863  0.7  1.4%  misc.forsale.workstation
    446  55000   603  69%    433  0.5  1.2%  misc.forsale.computers.d
    957  30000   509  45%    575  0.6  1.0%  misc.forsale.computers *

    * obsolete group

    [Note that the total readership estimates appear inaccurate due to the
     calculation method used; however, this does not affect the rationale of
     the current proposal.]

PROPOSED CHARTERS
    [Note that all groups permit buying *AND* selling of equipment.]

    misc.forsale.computers.storage (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.storage is primarily for articles to sell
        or buy hardware-independent storage devices.  Typically this is
        SCSI equipment (of various flavours): hard disks, tape drives, DAT
        drives, CD-ROMs, optical disks, removable hard disks and others.
        Less hardware-independent equipment (such as IDE hard disks or QIC
        tape drives) would also be acceptable.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.memory (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.memory is for articles to sell or buy memory
        (RAM, ROM and flash memory) in all the myriad forms: SIMMs, SIPPs,
        DIPs, 8-bit and 9-bit, and anything anyone might have or need.  No
        commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.modems (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.modems is for articles to sell or buy
        hardware-independent modems, most commonly asynchronous (v.32,
        v.32bis, v.34 and others), but also synchronous models.  No
        commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.net-hardware (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.net-hardware is for articles to sell or
        buy hardware-independent networking equipment.  This category
        contains, but is not limited to, routers, hubs, concentrators,
        terminal servers and cabling systems.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.monitors (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.monitors is for articles to sell or buy
        computer monitors.  Most commonly this would be hardware-inde-
        pendent multiscan monitors, but possibly also LCD or eleectro-
        luminescent ddisplay panels, projection displays or fixed-
        frequency monitors.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.printers (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.printers is for articles to buy and sell
        hardcopy output devices of all types, including laser printers,
        LED printers, inkjet printers, dot matrix printers, thermal
        printers, line printers and pen plotters.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.systems (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.systems is for articles to buy
        and sell complete PC-compatible desktop and/or tower computer systems.
        No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables is for articles to buy
        and sell complete PC-compatible laptop and notebook computer systems.
        No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.software (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.software is for articles to buy
        and sell MS-DOS, Microsoft Windows and other PC-specific software.
        No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.video (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.video is for articles to buy
        and sell video display cards for PC-compatible systems.  No commercial
        postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.misc (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.misc is for articles to
        buy and sell adapter cards (other than video display cards) for
        PC-compatible systems.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.audio (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.audio is for articles to buy
        and sell audio equipment for PC-compatible systems.  No commercial
        postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.motherboards (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.motherboards is for articles to
        buy and sell PC-compatible motherboards.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.misc (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.misc is for articles to buy and
        sell PC-specific equipment not covered by other misc.forsale.-
        comp.pc-specific subgroups, or by the hardware-independent
        misc.forsale.computers subgroups (.storage, .monitors, .memory and
        .communications).  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.systems (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.systems is for articles to buy
        and sell complete Macintosh desktop and server systems.  No commercial
        postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.portables (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.portables is for articles to buy
        and sell portable Macintosh (e.g. PowerBook) systems.  No commercial
        postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.software (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.software is for articles to buy
        and sell Macintosh-based software.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.video (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.video is for articles to
        buy and sell video display cards for Macintosh systems.  No commercial
        postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.misc (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.misc is for articles to
        buy and sell adapter cards (other than video display cards) for
        Macintosh systems.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc is for articles to buy and
        sell Macintosh-specific equipment not covered by other misc.forsale.-
        comp.mac-specific subgroups, or by the hardware-independent
        misc.forsale.computers subgroups (.storage, .monitors, .memory and
        .communications).  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.other.systems (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.other.systems is for articles to buy and
        sell systems other than PC-compatibles, Macintoshes and workstations.
        No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.other.software (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.other.software is for articles to buy and
        sell software for systems other than PC-compatibles, Macintoshes
        and workstations.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.other.misc (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.other.misc is for articles to buy and sell
        other equipment not covered by the misc.forsale.computers.*
        subgroups, other than systems and software.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.discussion (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.discussion is for discussion relating to
        the .forsale.computer groups, to items for sale in the same
        and any other .forsale-related articles that do not offer to sell
        or buy computer equipment.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.non-computer (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.non-computer is for articles to buy and sell any and
        all non-computer-related items.  No commercial postings.

    The charter of each proposed biz.marketplace.* group would match the
    corresponding misc.forsale.* group, with the exception of the last
    sentence, which would be changed to "Commercial postings only" for
    all biz.marketplace.* groups.

COMMERCIAL ADVERTISING
    There have been several requests during this discussion to specifically
    outlaw commercial postings in the new groups' charters.  With the
    proposal to create a mirroring biz.marketplace.* hierarchy, it is
    proposed that no commercial posting be permitted in misc.forsale
    groups -- "commercial" meaning sales in the ordinary course of
    business.  Disposal of used and surplus equipment etc. would still
    be considered acceptable.

    All commercial posts should be made in the appropriate biz.marketplace.*
    group.


HOW TO VOTE

Erase everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line and erase everything
below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line.  Do not erase anything between these
lines and do not change the group names.

Give your name on the line that asks for it. For each group, place a YES or
NO in the brackets next to it to vote for or against it.  If you don't want
to vote on a particular group, just leave the space blank.  Don't worry
about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply
inserts.

Then mail the ballot to: gt0670e@prism.gatech.edu    
Just Replying to this message should work.

-=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
misc.forsale reorganization Ballot    <MFREORG-0001> (Don't remove this marker)

Give your real name here:

[Your Vote]  Group
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.modems
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.net-hardware
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.memory
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.monitors
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.printers
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.storage
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.software
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.systems
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.protables
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.misc
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.video
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.motherboards
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.audio
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.misc
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.video
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.software
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.systems
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.misc
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.other.software
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.other.systems
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.other.misc

[     ]  remove misc.forsale.computers.mac
[     ]  remove misc.forsale.computers.other
[     ]  remove misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone

[     ]  rename misc.forsale to misc.forsale.non-computer
[     ]  rename misc.forsale.computers.d to misc.forsale.computers.discussion
[     ]  rename misc.forsale.workstation to misc.forsale.computers.workstation
-=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.

Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account.  Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.

--Brennan T. Price, UVV
  Running UseVote 3.0

From gt0670e@prism.gatech.edu Wed Oct 12 13:24:22 1994
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: gt0670e@prism.gatech.edu (Brennan T. Price)
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Subject: 2nd CFV: misc.forsale.* reorganization
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                      LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                     misc.forsale.* reorganization

To CREATE the unmoderated groups: 
misc.forsale.computers.modems
misc.forsale.computers.net-hardware
misc.forsale.computers.memory
misc.forsale.computers.monitors
misc.forsale.computers.printers
misc.forsale.computers.storage
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.software
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.systems
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.portables
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.video
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.misc
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.motherboards
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.audio
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.video
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.misc
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.software
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.systems
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.misc
misc.forsale.computers.other.software
misc.forsale.computers.other.systems
misc.forsale.computers.other.misc

and REMOVE:
misc.forsale.computers.mac
misc.forsale.computers.other
misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone
                          
and RENAME:
misc.forsale             to misc.forsale.non-computer
misc.forsale.computers.d to misc.forsale.computers.discussion
misc.forsale.workstation to misc.forsale.computers.workstation

[ AND create biz.marketplace.* groups corresponding to to each of     ]
[ the proposed misc.forsale newsgroups, for commercial postings only. ]
[ The biz.marketplace.* proposal is outside the scope of the usual    ]
[ Guidelines, and thus will not be voted on in this traditional CFV.  ]

Newsgroups lines:

misc.forsale.computers.modems   Modems for sale and wanted.
misc.forsale.computers.net-hardware     Networking hardware for sale and wanted.
misc.forsale.computers.memory   Memory chips and modules for sale and wanted.
misc.forsale.computers.monitors Monitors and displays for sale and wanted.
misc.forsale.computers.printers Printers and plotters for sale and wanted.
misc.forsale.computers.storage  Disk, CDROM and tape drives for sale and wanted.
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.software    Macintosh software.
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.systems     Complete Macintosh systems.
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.portables   Portable Macintosh systems.
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.misc  Macintosh expansion cards.
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.video Macintosh video cards.
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc        Other Macintosh equipment.
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.motherboards PC motherboards.
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.audio        PC audio equipment.
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables    Portable PC systems.
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.misc   PC expansion cards.
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.video  PC video cards.
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.software     PC software.
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.systems      Complete PC systems.
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.misc Other PC-specific equipment.
misc.forsale.computers.other.software   Software for other systems.
misc.forsale.computers.other.systems    Complete other types of systems.
misc.forsale.computers.other.misc       Miscellaneous other equipment.
misc.forsale.non-computer       Non-computer items for sale and wanted.
misc.forsale.computers.discussion       Discussions only about items for sale.
misc.forsale.computers.workstation      Workstations for sale and wanted.


Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 25 Oct 1994.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact gt0670e@prism.gatech.edu.  For questions about the
proposed groups contact Tom Haapanen <tomh@metrics.com>.


INTRODUCTION
    The misc.forsale.computers is one of the busiest hierarchies on Usenet,
    with over 20,000 articles posted each month in its various subgroups.
    Its usefulness is further limited by excessive crossposting and the
    difficulty of determining the correct groups for many items.

    While it was initially proposed to create only a handful of new groups
    for platform-independent hardware, the general consensus among those
    participating in the discussions has been to use this opportunity to
    create a logical organization for the present and the future.  As a
    result, this RFD proposes a comprehensive reorganization of all the
    misc.forsale.computers.* groups with only a few remaining untouched;
    *PLEASE* take the time to read through the rationale below to understand
    the reasoning behind the proposals.

RATIONALE
    1.  Non-computer group
        It is proposed that the group misc.forsale be renamed to misc.-
        forsale.non-computer as it is currently inundated with a variety
        of postings about computer equipment, making up 30-40% of the
        group's traffic.  A clear name will hopefully assist in retaining
        this group for things other than computers, and direct computer-
        related traffic to the appropriate subgroups in that subhierarchy.

    2.  Platform-independent hardware
        While the current division makes it clear where to sell or to look
        for a Sun workstation, or a 386-based PC, or a Macintosh, it does
        not take into account the increasingly large amount of hardware that
        is standardized across platforms.  SCSI disks, tape drives, modems,
        laser, inkjet and dot matrix printers and multiscan monitors are
        usable on a wide variety of equipment.

        Where does one advertise a multiscan monitor today?  In .pc-clone?
        But it's not a clone in itself, so maybe it should go into .other?
        But if it's a 17" monitor, maybe the folks in .workstation would
        be more interested...  They might also appear as the right target
        market for a 1 GB SCSI drive -- but maybe it should be crossposted
        to *all* the groups since everyone can use SCSI drives.

        Clearly there is no well-defined place for selling standardized
        cross-platform peripherals.  Providing a place for this hardware
        will not only make it easier to buy and sell such equipment, it will
        also reduce the amount of cross-posting into groups such as
        .workstation.

        Thus, it is proposed to create misc.forsale.storage,
        .memory, .modems, .net-hardware and .printers.  It was originally
        proposed to create .communications, but this was split to .modems and
        .net-hardware after numerous comments in news.groups.

    3.  PC hardware
        The .pc-clone group is currently experiencing traffic in excess of
        200 articles on most days.  First, it is proposed that the .pc-clone
        be renamed to .pc-specific to make it clear that it is intended for
        PC-specific hardware only, and not for items such as printers,
        monitors and hard disks.

        Second, it is proposed to create several subgroups to handle the
        heavy traffic in the PC group.  These groups include .systems,
        software, .cards.video, .cards.misc, .audio, .motherboards and 
        .misc.  Memory, monitors, modems and disks are to be posted in the
        hardware-independent groups.

        Several people are opposed to the -specific suffic due to the group
        name length; however, the opinions are quite evenly split, so I am
        using my best judgement and staying with the -specific suffix for
        the reasons outlined above.

    4.  Macintosh hardware
        The .mac group is also experiencing very heavy traffic, usually over
        100 articles per day.  First, it is proposed that the .mac be
        renamed to .mac-specific to make it clear that it is intended for
        Mac-specific hardware only, and not for items such as printers,
        monitors and hard disks.

        Second, it is proposed to create several subgroups to handle the
        heavy traffic.  These groups include .systems, .software, 
        cards.video, cards.misc, .portables and .misc.  Memory, monitors,
        modems and disks are to be posted in the hardware-independent groups.

        Several people are opposed to the -specific suffic due to the group
        name length; however, the opinions are quite evenly split, so I am
        using my best judgement and staying with the -specific suffix for
        the reasons outlined above.

    5.  Workstation hardware
        It is proposed that the .workstation group not be renamed to
        .unix-only, since workstations may or may not run Unix, and both PCs
        and Macintoshes are also capable of running Unix.  Further, the
        traffic is not currently high enough to warrant a split.

    6.  Discussion group
        Finally, the .discussion group name will be far more obvious to
        new users of Usenet than the traditional .d currently used.  This
        will hopefully reduce the large number of "for sale" articles that
        are currently posted to the .d group.

    7.  Hierarchy rename
        In order to reflect the groups' content of both buy and sell articles,
        a hierarchy name of .marketplace would be preferable to .forsale.
        However, group-advice@uunet.uu.net STRONGLY advised against a rename
        of the hierarchy at this point, so it is not proposed at this time.

        Many people also requested to rename all the misc.forsale.computers.*
        groups to the somewhat shorter misc.forsale.comp.*.  This,
        however, was also strongly opposed by group-advice, so it is not
        included in this proposal.

    8.  Wanted postings
        It is proposed that all "wanted" or "buy" postings be posted in
        the specific newsgroups, and not in a separate newsgroup.

    9.  Commercial posts
        There is considerable opposition to commercial postings in the
        misc.forsale groups; however, there is no overall agreement on
        whether commercial posts should be totally banned; and there is
        no way to enforce such a ban.

        As a method of resolving this, it is proposed to create a new
        hierarchy, biz.marketplace.*, to mirror the misc.forsale.* group
        hierarchy, intended for exclusively commercial postings.  This
        will provide a clear place for such posts, while allowing the
        buyers to easily select a commercial or non-commercial seller.
        It will also allow sites so inclined to easily decline all
        commercial postings.

        The biz.* hierarchy is generally fairly well propagated; most active
        groups have a propagation of around 55% of Usenet, only somewhat
        lower than misc.forsale.* groups' current 70% average.  An
        active marketplace hierarchy will also help to improve the biz.* 
        propagation.

        The set of biz.marketplace.* groups to be created will correspond
        to the results of the misc.forsale.* vote; each group of the
        format misc.forsale.x{.y{.z}} will have a corresponding biz.-
        marketplace.x{.y{.z}} group for commercial postings.


CURRENT READERSHIP DATA (July 1994)

           +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.
           |     +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population
           |     |     +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all
           |     |     |      +-- Recent traffic (messages per month)
           |     |     |      |    +-- Recent traffic (megabytes per month)
           |     |     |      |    |    +-- Share: % of newsrders
           |     |     |      |    |    |    who read this group.
           V     V     V      V    V    V
      6 290000  2757  81%   5385  5.0  5.6%  misc.forsale
     87 110000  1194  72%   6163  5.6  2.4%  misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone
    151  90000   966  71%   2989  2.5  2.0%  misc.forsale.computers.mac
    160  88000   928  72%   2370  1.9  1.9%  misc.forsale.computers.other
    325  65000   707  70%    863  0.7  1.4%  misc.forsale.workstation
    446  55000   603  69%    433  0.5  1.2%  misc.forsale.computers.d
    957  30000   509  45%    575  0.6  1.0%  misc.forsale.computers *

    * obsolete group

    [Note that the total readership estimates appear inaccurate due to the
     calculation method used; however, this does not affect the rationale of
     the current proposal.]

PROPOSED CHARTERS
    [Note that all groups permit buying *AND* selling of equipment.]

    misc.forsale.computers.storage (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.storage is primarily for articles to sell
        or buy hardware-independent storage devices.  Typically this is
        SCSI equipment (of various flavours): hard disks, tape drives, DAT
        drives, CD-ROMs, optical disks, removable hard disks and others.
        Less hardware-independent equipment (such as IDE hard disks or QIC
        tape drives) would also be acceptable.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.memory (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.memory is for articles to sell or buy memory
        (RAM, ROM and flash memory) in all the myriad forms: SIMMs, SIPPs,
        DIPs, 8-bit and 9-bit, and anything anyone might have or need.  No
        commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.modems (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.modems is for articles to sell or buy
        hardware-independent modems, most commonly asynchronous (v.32,
        v.32bis, v.34 and others), but also synchronous models.  No
        commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.net-hardware (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.net-hardware is for articles to sell or
        buy hardware-independent networking equipment.  This category
        contains, but is not limited to, routers, hubs, concentrators,
        terminal servers and cabling systems.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.monitors (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.monitors is for articles to sell or buy
        computer monitors.  Most commonly this would be hardware-inde-
        pendent multiscan monitors, but possibly also LCD or eleectro-
        luminescent ddisplay panels, projection displays or fixed-
        frequency monitors.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.printers (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.printers is for articles to buy and sell
        hardcopy output devices of all types, including laser printers,
        LED printers, inkjet printers, dot matrix printers, thermal
        printers, line printers and pen plotters.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.systems (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.systems is for articles to buy
        and sell complete PC-compatible desktop and/or tower computer systems.
        No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables is for articles to buy
        and sell complete PC-compatible laptop and notebook computer systems.
        No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.software (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.software is for articles to buy
        and sell MS-DOS, Microsoft Windows and other PC-specific software.
        No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.video (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.video is for articles to buy
        and sell video display cards for PC-compatible systems.  No commercial
        postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.misc (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.misc is for articles to
        buy and sell adapter cards (other than video display cards) for
        PC-compatible systems.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.audio (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.audio is for articles to buy
        and sell audio equipment for PC-compatible systems.  No commercial
        postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.motherboards (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.motherboards is for articles to
        buy and sell PC-compatible motherboards.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.misc (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.misc is for articles to buy and
        sell PC-specific equipment not covered by other misc.forsale.-
        comp.pc-specific subgroups, or by the hardware-independent
        misc.forsale.computers subgroups (.storage, .monitors, .memory and
        .communications).  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.systems (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.systems is for articles to buy
        and sell complete Macintosh desktop and server systems.  No commercial
        postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.portables (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.portables is for articles to buy
        and sell portable Macintosh (e.g. PowerBook) systems.  No commercial
        postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.software (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.software is for articles to buy
        and sell Macintosh-based software.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.video (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.video is for articles to
        buy and sell video display cards for Macintosh systems.  No commercial
        postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.misc (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.misc is for articles to
        buy and sell adapter cards (other than video display cards) for
        Macintosh systems.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc is for articles to buy and
        sell Macintosh-specific equipment not covered by other misc.forsale.-
        comp.mac-specific subgroups, or by the hardware-independent
        misc.forsale.computers subgroups (.storage, .monitors, .memory and
        .communications).  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.other.systems (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.other.systems is for articles to buy and
        sell systems other than PC-compatibles, Macintoshes and workstations.
        No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.other.software (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.other.software is for articles to buy and
        sell software for systems other than PC-compatibles, Macintoshes
        and workstations.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.other.misc (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.other.misc is for articles to buy and sell
        other equipment not covered by the misc.forsale.computers.*
        subgroups, other than systems and software.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.discussion (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.discussion is for discussion relating to
        the .forsale.computer groups, to items for sale in the same
        and any other .forsale-related articles that do not offer to sell
        or buy computer equipment.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.non-computer (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.non-computer is for articles to buy and sell any and
        all non-computer-related items.  No commercial postings.

    The charter of each proposed biz.marketplace.* group would match the
    corresponding misc.forsale.* group, with the exception of the last
    sentence, which would be changed to "Commercial postings only" for
    all biz.marketplace.* groups.

COMMERCIAL ADVERTISING
    There have been several requests during this discussion to specifically
    outlaw commercial postings in the new groups' charters.  With the
    proposal to create a mirroring biz.marketplace.* hierarchy, it is
    proposed that no commercial posting be permitted in misc.forsale
    groups -- "commercial" meaning sales in the ordinary course of
    business.  Disposal of used and surplus equipment etc. would still
    be considered acceptable.

    All commercial posts should be made in the appropriate biz.marketplace.*
    group.


HOW TO VOTE

VOTETAKER'S NOTE:  The vote counting software was incorrectly configured
with a spelling error in in one of the group names, misc.forsale.
computers.mac-specific.portables.  This spelling error is reflected
in the ballot below.  All votes on "protables" have been counted
and will be counted toward the "portables" vote.  Please keep this in mind 
when filling out your ballot, and do not alter the ballot to indicate
the correct spelling.

Erase everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line and erase everything
below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line.  Do not erase anything between these
lines and do not change the group names.

Give your name on the line that asks for it. For each group, place a YES or
NO in the brackets next to it to vote for or against it.  If you don't want
to vote on a particular group, just leave the space blank.  Don't worry
about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply
inserts.

Then mail the ballot to: gt0670e@prism.gatech.edu    
Just Replying to this message should work.

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misc.forsale reorganization Ballot    <MFREORG-0002> (Don't remove this marker)

Give your real name here:

[Your Vote]  Group
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[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.modems
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.net-hardware
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.memory
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.monitors
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.printers
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.storage
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.software
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.systems
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.protables
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.misc
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.video
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.motherboards
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.audio
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.misc
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.video
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.software
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.systems
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.misc
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.other.software
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.other.systems
[     ]  misc.forsale.computers.other.misc

[     ]  remove misc.forsale.computers.mac
[     ]  remove misc.forsale.computers.other
[     ]  remove misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone

[     ]  rename misc.forsale to misc.forsale.non-computer
[     ]  rename misc.forsale.computers.d to misc.forsale.computers.discussion
[     ]  rename misc.forsale.workstation to misc.forsale.computers.workstation
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It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.

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  Running UseVote 3.0

From gt0670e@prism.gatech.edu Wed Oct 26 23:44:54 1994
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From: gt0670e@prism.gatech.edu (Brennan T. Price)
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Subject: RESULT: misc.forsale.* reorganization all proposals pass
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                                RESULT
            misc.forsale.* reorganization all proposals pass

misc.forsale reorganization results - 268 valid votes

 Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
 225   37 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : misc.forsale.computers.modems
 209   42 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : misc.forsale.computers.net-hardware
 223   39 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : misc.forsale.computers.memory
 217   41 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : misc.forsale.computers.monitors
 217   40 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : misc.forsale.computers.printers
 220   41 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : misc.forsale.computers.storage
 196   49 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.software
 196   49 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.systems
 179   65 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.portables
 186   58 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.misc
 181   63 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.video
 197   49 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc
 189   56 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.motherboards
 182   62 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.audio
 182   64 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables
 187   60 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.misc
 180   67 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.video
 197   52 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.software
 192   56 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.systems
 197   54 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.misc
 200   51 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : misc.forsale.computers.other.software
 196   52 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : misc.forsale.computers.other.systems
 197   52 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : misc.forsale.computers.other.misc
 209   50 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : remove misc.forsale.computers.mac
 212   48 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : remove misc.forsale.computers.other
 211   48 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : remove misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone
 216   47 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : rename misc.forsale to 
          :            :       : misc.forsale.non-computer
 209   53 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : rename misc.forsale.computers.d to 
          :            :       : misc.forsale.computers.discussion
 225   34 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : rename misc.forsale.workstation to 
          :            :       : misc.forsale.computers.workstation
  19 invalid votes

Newsgroups lines:

misc.forsale.computers.modems   Modems for sale and wanted.
misc.forsale.computers.net-hardware     Networking hardware for sale and wanted.
misc.forsale.computers.memory   Memory chips and modules for sale and wanted.
misc.forsale.computers.monitors Monitors and displays for sale and wanted.
misc.forsale.computers.printers Printers and plotters for sale and wanted.
misc.forsale.computers.storage  Disk, CDROM and tape drives for sale and wanted.
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.software    Macintosh software.
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.systems     Complete Macintosh systems.
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.portables   Portable Macintosh systems.
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.misc  Macintosh expansion cards.
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.video Macintosh video cards.
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc        Other Macintosh equipment.
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.motherboards PC motherboards.
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.audio        PC audio equipment.
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables    Portable PC systems.
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.misc   PC expansion cards.
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.video  PC video cards.
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.software     PC software.
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.systems      Complete PC systems.
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.misc Other PC-specific equipment.
misc.forsale.computers.other.software   Software for other systems.
misc.forsale.computers.other.systems    Complete other types of systems.
misc.forsale.computers.other.misc       Miscellaneous other equipment.
misc.forsale.non-computer       Non-computer items for sale and wanted.
misc.forsale.computers.discussion       Discussions only about items for sale.
misc.forsale.computers.workstation      Workstations for sale and wanted.


Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 25 Oct 1994.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact gt0670e@prism.gatech.edu.  For questions about the
proposed groups contact Tom Haapanen <tomh@metrics.com>.


CHARTERS
    [Note that all groups permit buying *AND* selling of equipment.]

    misc.forsale.computers.storage (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.storage is primarily for articles to sell
        or buy hardware-independent storage devices.  Typically this is
        SCSI equipment (of various flavours): hard disks, tape drives, DAT
        drives, CD-ROMs, optical disks, removable hard disks and others.
        Less hardware-independent equipment (such as IDE hard disks or QIC
        tape drives) would also be acceptable.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.memory (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.memory is for articles to sell or buy memory
        (RAM, ROM and flash memory) in all the myriad forms: SIMMs, SIPPs,
        DIPs, 8-bit and 9-bit, and anything anyone might have or need.  No
        commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.modems (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.modems is for articles to sell or buy
        hardware-independent modems, most commonly asynchronous (v.32,
        v.32bis, v.34 and others), but also synchronous models.  No
        commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.net-hardware (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.net-hardware is for articles to sell or
        buy hardware-independent networking equipment.  This category
        contains, but is not limited to, routers, hubs, concentrators,
        terminal servers and cabling systems.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.monitors (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.monitors is for articles to sell or buy
        computer monitors.  Most commonly this would be hardware-inde-
        pendent multiscan monitors, but possibly also LCD or eleectro-
        luminescent ddisplay panels, projection displays or fixed-
        frequency monitors.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.printers (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.printers is for articles to buy and sell
        hardcopy output devices of all types, including laser printers,
        LED printers, inkjet printers, dot matrix printers, thermal
        printers, line printers and pen plotters.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.systems (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.systems is for articles to buy
        and sell complete PC-compatible desktop and/or tower computer systems.
        No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables is for articles to buy
        and sell complete PC-compatible laptop and notebook computer systems.
        No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.software (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.software is for articles to buy
        and sell MS-DOS, Microsoft Windows and other PC-specific software.
        No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.video (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.video is for articles to buy
        and sell video display cards for PC-compatible systems.  No commercial
        postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.misc (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.misc is for articles to
        buy and sell adapter cards (other than video display cards) for
        PC-compatible systems.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.audio (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.audio is for articles to buy
        and sell audio equipment for PC-compatible systems.  No commercial
        postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.motherboards (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.motherboards is for articles to
        buy and sell PC-compatible motherboards.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.misc (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.misc is for articles to buy and
        sell PC-specific equipment not covered by other misc.forsale.-
        comp.pc-specific subgroups, or by the hardware-independent
        misc.forsale.computers subgroups (.storage, .monitors, .memory and
        .communications).  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.systems (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.systems is for articles to buy
        and sell complete Macintosh desktop and server systems.  No commercial
        postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.portables (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.portables is for articles to buy
        and sell portable Macintosh (e.g. PowerBook) systems.  No commercial
        postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.software (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.software is for articles to buy
        and sell Macintosh-based software.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.video (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.video is for articles to
        buy and sell video display cards for Macintosh systems.  No commercial
        postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.misc (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.misc is for articles to
        buy and sell adapter cards (other than video display cards) for
        Macintosh systems.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc is for articles to buy and
        sell Macintosh-specific equipment not covered by other misc.forsale.-
        comp.mac-specific subgroups, or by the hardware-independent
        misc.forsale.computers subgroups (.storage, .monitors, .memory and
        .communications).  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.other.systems (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.other.systems is for articles to buy and
        sell systems other than PC-compatibles, Macintoshes and workstations.
        No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.other.software (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.other.software is for articles to buy and
        sell software for systems other than PC-compatibles, Macintoshes
        and workstations.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.other.misc (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.other.misc is for articles to buy and sell
        other equipment not covered by the misc.forsale.computers.*
        subgroups, other than systems and software.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.computers.discussion (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.computers.discussion is for discussion relating to
        the .forsale.computer groups, to items for sale in the same
        and any other .forsale-related articles that do not offer to sell
        or buy computer equipment.  No commercial postings.

    misc.forsale.non-computer (unmoderated)
        misc.forsale.non-computer is for articles to buy and sell any and
        all non-computer-related items.  No commercial postings.


misc.forsale reorganization Final Vote Ack


 rename to misc.forsale.computers.workstation -------------------------------+
  rename to misc.forsale.computers.discussion ------------------------------+|
          rename to misc.forsale.non-computer -----------------------------+||
       remove misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone ----------------------------+|||
          remove misc.forsale.computers.other ---------------------------+||||
            remove misc.forsale.computers.mac --------------------------+|||||
            misc.forsale.computers.other.misc -------------------------+||||||
         misc.forsale.computers.other.systems ------------------------+|||||||
        misc.forsale.computers.other.software -----------------------+||||||||
      misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.misc ----------------------+|||||||||
   misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.systems ---------------------+||||||||||
  misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.software --------------------+|||||||||||
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.video ------------------+||||||||||||
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.cards.misc ------------------+|||||||||||||
 misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables -----------------+||||||||||||||
     misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.audio ----------------+|||||||||||||||
misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.motherboards -------------+||||||||||||||||
     misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc --------------+|||||||||||||||||
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.video -----------+||||||||||||||||||
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.misc -----------+|||||||||||||||||||
misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.portables -----------+||||||||||||||||||||
  misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.systems ----------+|||||||||||||||||||||
 misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.software ---------+||||||||||||||||||||||
               misc.forsale.computers.storage --------+|||||||||||||||||||||||
              misc.forsale.computers.printers -------+||||||||||||||||||||||||
              misc.forsale.computers.monitors ------+|||||||||||||||||||||||||
                misc.forsale.computers.memory -----+||||||||||||||||||||||||||
          misc.forsale.computers.net-hardware ----+|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
                misc.forsale.computers.modems ---+||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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davidwr@eecs.umich.edu       David W. Richardson YYYYYYYYYYYY---Y-Y-YYYY---YNY
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ddb@anubis.network.com         David Dyer-Bennet YNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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m19701@mitre.org                        Ed Casey YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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