From [email protected] Fri Oct 9 13:29:33 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2812 news.groups:57586 comp.os.ms-windows.misc:3702 comp.os.ms-windows.apps:3617 comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc:2528 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Tom Haapanen) Subject: RFD: comp.binaries.ms-windows moderated Followup-To: news.groups Approved: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:18:18 GMT Message-ID:Lines: 71 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION ---------------------- NEWSGROUP comp.binaries.ms-windows (moderated) PURPOSE Distribution of binaries for the Microsoft Windows environment. RATIONALE While it can be argued that a vast majority of Windows software could be posted to comp.binaries.ibm.pc, Windows postings in that group are relatively infrequent and drowned out by the volume of MS-DOS-based software. Meanwhile, sales of commercial Windows applications are about to exceed sales of MS-DOS applications for the first time, so the user base is there for Windows. A group dedicated to Windows software allows both users to find the type of software they are interested (Windows or MS-DOS) more easily, but also allows Usenet sites to be more selective should they not wish to carry both types. While there is an existing Windows-oriented FTP site (ftp.cica.- indiana.edu), a large proportion of net users do not have FTP access. Further, even for those who do have access, it is often not easy to find the recent postings at cica, or to determine the contents of many anonymous FTP submissions. A moderated binaries group would provide a controlled volume of binaries widely accessible to everyone at a reasonable cost. Finally, the Windows FAQ postings (which I maintain) are now in a binary WinHelp format. While this radically improves useability, it does increase the size of the postings. It is questionable whether the 200K FAQ postings should be regularly appear in the Windows discussion groups, but there is currently no appropriate newsgroup where it would be easy for Windows users to locate them. CONTENT I propose that following types for postings should be acceptable: - Windows applications (freeware and shareware) - Windows device drivers - Windows development tools and libraries - WinHelp format FAQ postings The following items should not be accepted for posting: - Copyrighted material - Demos of commercial products Acceptable target platforms should include Windows 3.x, Windows NT (both Intel and RISC platforms), Pen Windows and Windows for Work- groups. NAME While comp.binaries.ms-windows fits in with current usage (for example, comp.binaries.os2), other possibilities will be considered. MODERATOR No volunteer yet -- please contact [email protected] if you are willing and interested in this task. NEWSGROUP CREATION The discussion period will be from October 10, 1992 to October 31, 1992. Please post all discussion in news.groups. If a consensus is reached and a moderator is found by the end of the discussion period, a CFV (Call for Votes) will be posted at that time. The voting period will last for 21 days. -- [ \tom haapanen "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ] [ [email protected] "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ] [ waterloo engineering software "to thine own self be true" -- polonius ] From [email protected] Fri Nov 20 10:17:39 1992 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Tom Haapanen) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc Subject: CFV: comp.binaries.ms-windows Followup-To: poster Date: 20 Nov 1992 01:49:36 -0500 Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software Lines: 51 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2973 news.groups:61393 comp.os.ms-windows.misc:4821 comp.os.ms-windows.apps:5194 comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc:3618 This is the official CALL FOR VOTES for the creation of a new newsgroup, comp.binaries.ms-windows. NAME: comp.binaries.ms-windows PURPOSE: Distribution of applications and device drivers for the Microsoft Windows operating system, including Windows 3.x, Windows for Work- groups, Windows NT and Pen Windows. Drivers, product patches, shareware, demos and binaries containing source code may be posted if they are, in the judgement of the moderator, beneficial to the audience of the newsgroup and do not appear to violate copyright laws. STATUS: Moderated; moderator is Tin Le . VOTING PERIOD: Friday 20 Nov 1992 0:00 EST to Thursday 17 Dec 1992 23:59 EST. All votes must be received by wes.on.ca at the address below by the end of the voting period. VOTING ADDRESS: Send your vote to either [email protected] or uunet.uu.net!wes.on.ca!vote You may do this by simply replying to this CFV. Posted votes will not be counted. VOTE FORMAT: Your vote must be explicit and clear, with no conditionals. The following are examples of acceptable votes: "I vote YES to comp.binaries.ms-windows" "No to comp.binaries.ms-windows" The vote-taker will attempt to contact senders of ambiguous votes by email; they will also be listed in the vote acknowledgement (see below) as "AMBIGUOUS VOTES". Only the last vote from any voter is counted. VOTE ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS: Except for ambiguous votes (see above), votes will not be acknow- ledged individually. All voters will be listed in the "2nd CFV AND VOTE ACK", to be posted December 8, 1992. -- [ \tom haapanen "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ] [ [email protected] "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ] [ waterloo engineering software "to thine own self be true" -- polonius ] From [email protected] Wed Dec 9 08:56:24 1992 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Tom Haapanen) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.binaries.ms-windows moderated Followup-To: poster Date: 8 Dec 1992 18:01:51 -0500 Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software Lines: 269 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: news.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3041 news.groups:62670 comp.os.ms-windows.misc:5375 comp.os.ms-windows.apps:5895 comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc:4115 This is the 2nd official CALL FOR VOTES for the creation of a new newsgroup, comp.binaries.ms-windows. A list of valid votes received to date is appended to the end of this message; if you voted but your name is not listed, please attempt to send in your vote again. NAME: comp.binaries.ms-windows PURPOSE: Distribution of applications and device drivers for the Microsoft Windows operating system, including Windows 3.x, Windows for Work- groups, Windows NT and Pen Windows. Drivers, product patches, shareware, demos and binaries containing source code may be posted if they are, in the judgement of the moderator, beneficial to the audience of the newsgroup and do not appear to violate copyright laws. STATUS: Moderated; moderator will be Tin Le . VOTING PERIOD: Friday 20 Nov 1992 0:00 EST to Thursday 17 Dec 1992 23:59 EST. All votes must be received by wes.on.ca at the address below by the end of the voting period. VOTING ADDRESS: Send your vote to either [email protected] or uunet.uu.net!wes.on.ca!vote You may do this by simply replying to this CFV. Posted votes will not be counted. VOTE FORMAT: Your vote must be explicit and clear, with no conditionals. The following are examples of acceptable votes: "I vote YES to comp.binaries.ms-windows" "No to comp.binaries.ms-windows" The vote-taker will attempt to contact senders of ambiguous votes by email; they will also be listed in the vote acknowledgement (see below) as "AMBIGUOUS VOTES". Only the last vote from any voter is counted. VOTE ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS: Except for ambiguous votes (see above), votes will not be acknow- ledged individually. VALID VOTES RECEIVED TO 08 Dec 1992, 11:00 EST "Beryl Shults" "Carlos Javier Fuentealba Millar" "Christopher T. Loschen" "DAVID M. KOLESAR" "gdsmith.NL" "Hi, I'm Hoyt. What? Hoyt. What?!?!? H-O-Y-T. Oh..." "Matthew Grant" "Michael Bower Comm. " "Michael T. Glazier" "Paul D. Miller" "Thomas D. Gasser" "Thomas Dachsel" Aaron Walton [email protected] (Arthur Davis) [email protected] (Andre Lehovich) Alan Phillips [email protected] (ames lewallen) [email protected] (Bill Dixon) [email protected] (A.A.Buykx) Andrew Henry ANDY GARDNER Andy Lipscomb [email protected] [email protected] (Andy Say) [email protected] (Anil Srivastava) [email protected] (David Arasmith) Arne Henrik Juul [email protected] (Audrey Helou) [email protected] [email protected] (Tim AuYeung 288-9212) B.J. 20-Nov-1992 1002 [email protected] (J.D. Baldwin) [email protected] (Bengt Larsson) bioch.utas.edu.au!jmeehan (John Meehan) [email protected] (pri=-10-Doug Blair) Bob Sloane Brett {Druid Queen} Manz Brian 'Doc' O'Neill Brian SPENCER Brian Wheeler [email protected] (Bruce Steinke) [email protected] (Tom Carter) [email protected] (Carl Rigney) Charles A McKenzie Charles Shub [email protected] (Charlie Finan) Chris Marble Chris Peterson [email protected] (Chuck Colford) Cliff Green [email protected] (Mike Coleman) cophos.co.at!tom (Tom Duenser) [email protected] (Bill Crews) cyf-kr.edu.pl!uiprakty (Jerzy Martyna ) cyrcle!lothar (Bob Trembley) [email protected] (Dan Attaway) Danny Schwendener Darryl Cross [email protected] (David Godfrey) David E. Goggin David Owen [email protected] (D. Michael Basinger) [email protected] (Dave Dennis) Derek Law [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (David Seddon) [email protected] (Dave Edick) Doug Sewell [email protected] (Greg Moore) [email protected] [email protected] (Dave Wiseman) [email protected] (Ean Smythe) [email protected] (Ed Sinamark) electro!carlo (Carlo Sgro) [email protected] (Ed McGuire) [email protected] (Hugo (Eric)) [email protected] (Andreas Gawecki) [email protected] (Gerald Ruderman) [email protected] (Gerrit Visser) Gerry Magennis [email protected] [email protected] (Jon Grantham) Greg Franklin Greg Reinacker [email protected] (Marc Gregoire) [email protected] (ed grether) guenter schwaninger [email protected] [email protected] (David Harper) hart.actrix.gen.nz!graeme (Graeme Hart) [email protected] (Ron Heiby) [email protected] (Brian Hurley) [email protected] J.L. Dallaway James Vincent Schultz Jaya [email protected] (John Duncan) [email protected] (Philip Jeuck) [email protected] (John Harkin) [email protected] (J J Farrell) [email protected] (JJ Webb) John DiMarco John MacLerran [email protected] (John E. Kabat Jr.) [email protected] (Jim Atkinson) [email protected] [email protected] (John Spencer) [email protected] (Jacob Levy) Kees van der Wal [email protected] (Keith Counsell) Kenneth R Aron Kevin English [email protected] (Anil Somani) kosmos.wcc.govt.nz!harvey_a [email protected] (Laine Stump) [email protected] (Robert J. Lebowitz) [email protected] (Nick Leverton) [email protected] (Lawrence H. Compton) Lord Yak Da Hairy [email protected] (Lars Riisboel) mani.kaist.ac.kr!leeks (Ki Seob Lee) Marc Moorcroft [email protected] (Mark Whalley) Markku Kaukinen Massimo Monfreda maths.tcd.ie!ratava Matthew J Dovey [email protected] (Mark Atwood) [email protected] [email protected] (Mark Handel) [email protected] Michael Quinn [email protected] [email protected] (Mike Imai) [email protected] (Steve Milton, Sysop) [email protected] (Jeff Meyer) [email protected] (William Moxley) [email protected] (Mike Reese) msgpad!gabe (Gabe Helou) [email protected] Nicholas J Clayton Nick Nick Rozanski [email protected] (Nancy Rabinowitz) [email protected] (Nagraj Kulkarni) [email protected] (Bob O'Hara) [email protected] (Olav Lerbrekk) [email protected] (Paul Maclauchlan) [email protected] [email protected] Peter Conkey Peter Karrer [email protected] (Paul D. Linton) Po Shan Cheah [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Paul Adams) [email protected] (C. Patrick Woodcock) [email protected] [email protected] (Martin Seeger) Ran Atkinson RAVEN Winter [email protected] (Rick Cobb) [email protected] (Richard England) Rick Ellis [email protected] (Richard H. Miller) [email protected] (Bob McCown) Rob Trainer Robert Osterlund [email protected] (Rich Kulawiec) [email protected] (Russell Schulz) [email protected] (Marty Ryba) [email protected] [email protected] (Steve Chanin) [email protected] (Scott Berger) scott andrew abbott [email protected] (Scott Robinson) [email protected] (Ken zink) Seth the Lesser [email protected] [email protected] (Mikael Parknert) [email protected] [email protected] Stefan Matthias Aust Steffen Krause [email protected] (Ulrich Steimann) Steve Gilbert ([email protected]) [email protected] [email protected] (Stu Labovitz) [email protected] (David Thomas Stewart) [email protected] (Ken Gehring) [email protected] (Torry Schreiner) [email protected] (Don Thorp - Keeper of Avalon) [email protected] (Ken Fisher) [email protected] (Tim Tyhurst) [email protected] (Ted Koppel) Tom Limoncelli [email protected] (Tom Haapanen) [email protected] (Timo Salmi) [email protected] (Tom W. Brown) [email protected] (Terry Chan) TYLER DAVID CHARLES [email protected] (Jouni V{{riskoski, ST A3, p.6337) [email protected] (Dave Ratcliffe) waikato.ac.nz!ARRON [email protected] (Michael Warning) [email protected] (William A. Tolhurst) [email protected] (Maynard Wilcox) [email protected] (Don Wilcox) [email protected] (Eli Boaz) Yaacov Fenster yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au!kevinlu (Kevin Lu) -- [ \tom haapanen "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ] [ [email protected] "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ] [ waterloo engineering software "to thine own self be true" -- polonius ] From [email protected] Wed Jan 6 21:02:29 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Tom Haapanen) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc Subject: RESULT: comp.binaries.ms-windows passes 285:28 Followup-To: news.groups Date: 6 Jan 1993 19:35:13 -0500 Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software Lines: 336 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3091 news.groups:63958 comp.os.ms-windows.misc:6040 comp.os.ms-windows.apps:6794 comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc:4718 As of the end of the voting period (92-12-18 23:59), 313 valid votes had been received in response to the CFV for comp.binaries.ms-windows. The proposal passed with a comfortable margin: YES: 285 91.1 % NO: 28 8.9 % Margin: 257 This easily fulfills the Guidelines' criteria for group creation. I will accept corrections for the standard 5-day waiting period. My apologies to anyone whose vote was not counted. The newgroup message will be sent out by David Lawrence on 12 January. [ \tom haapanen "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ] [ [email protected] "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ] [ waterloo engineering software "to thine own self be true" -- polonius ] LIST OF VOTERS: NO: Andre Lehovich NO: Andy Lipscomb NO: Arne Henrik Juul NO: Bob Sloane NO: Carl Rigney NO: Charles Shub NO: Danny Schwendener NO: David E. Goggin NO: David Reeve Sward NO: James Vincent Schultz NO: John Warburton NO: Jonathan Monsarrat NO: Ken Fasman NO: Kevin Lu NO: Marc Moorcroft NO: Markku Kaukinen NO: [email protected] NO: [email protected] NO: Michael Vincze NO: Mike Coleman NO: Murray Nesbitt NO: Nelson Minar NO: Paul Maclauchlan NO: RAVEN Winter NO: Rich Kulawiec NO: Richard H. Miller NO: Ted Koppel NO: Tom Limoncelli UNKNOWN: Brian 'Doc' O'Neill UNKNOWN: Ken zink YES: A.A.Buykx YES: Aaron Walton YES: aiva.lt!misha YES: Aki Saari YES: [email protected] YES: Alan Phillips YES: ames lewallen YES: Andreas Gawecki YES: Andrew Henry YES: Andrew M. Dunn YES: ANDY GARDNER YES: Andy Say YES: [email protected] YES: Anil Somani YES: Anil Srivastava YES: Arthur Davis YES: [email protected] YES: Audrey Helou YES: B.J. 20-Nov-1992 1002 YES: Bengt Larsson YES: Bert Broekhuizen YES: Beryl Shults YES: Bill Crews YES: Bill Dixon YES: Bo Kullmar YES: bob gibbons YES: Bob Hofkin YES: Bob McCown YES: Bob O'Hara YES: Bob Trembley YES: Brad Smith YES: Brenden Phillips YES: Brett {Druid Queen} Manz YES: Brian Casey YES: Brian Davis YES: Brian Hurley YES: brian michael bauernfreund YES: Brian SPENCER YES: Brian Wheeler YES: Bruce Clement YES: Bruce Steinke YES: Bryan Woodworth YES: Butch Griffin/CAD YES: C. Patrick Woodcock YES: [email protected] YES: Carlo Sgro YES: Carlos Guillermo Niederstrasser YES: Carlos Javier Fuentealba Millar YES: Charles A McKenzie YES: Charles Harding 415-688-2435 YES: Charlie Finan YES: Chris Marble YES: Chris Peterson YES: Christopher T. Loschen YES: Chuck Colford YES: Cliff Green YES: cs.uq.oz.au!rhys YES: D. Michael Basinger YES: Dack YES: [email protected] YES: Dan Attaway YES: Dan Wisehart YES: Daniel Chen YES: Daniel Franco YES: Daniel Hermans YES: Darryl Cross YES: Daryl Clarke YES: Dave Dennis YES: Dave Edick YES: Dave Ratcliffe YES: Dave Wiseman YES: David Arasmith YES: David Godfrey YES: David Harper YES: DAVID M. KOLESAR YES: David Owen YES: David Royster YES: David Seddon YES: David Thomas Stewart YES: Dennis Michaelson YES: Derek Law YES: [email protected] YES: [email protected] YES: [email protected] YES: djones%[email protected] YES: Don Rubin < MBSP::[email protected]> YES: Don Thorp - Keeper of Avalon YES: Don Wilcox YES: Doug Nicholson YES: Doug Sewell YES: [email protected] YES: Ean Smythe YES: ed grether YES: Ed McGuire YES: Ed Sinamark YES: [email protected] YES: Eli Boaz YES: Emmett Beeker YES: Eric Hunt YES: Eric J Forbis-1 YES: Eric L. Thav YES: Eric R. Johnson YES: Eric Hugo YES: Ernst Hoefer YES: Falko Sauermann YES: fct.unl.pt!jpl YES: [email protected] YES: [email protected] YES: Frank J Bielsik YES: Frank Piper YES: Gabe Helou YES: gdsmith YES: Geoffrey S. Elbo YES: George Smith YES: Gerald Ruderman YES: Gerrit Visser YES: Gerry Magennis YES: Gerry Rohling YES: Graeme Hart YES: [email protected] YES: Greg Franklin YES: Greg Moore YES: Greg Reinacker YES: Gregory Donald Moncreaff YES: Gregory G. Woodbury YES: guenter schwaninger YES: [email protected] YES: [email protected] YES: Hi, I'm Hoyt. YES: [email protected] YES: J J Farrell YES: J.D. Baldwin YES: J.L. Dallaway YES: Jacob Levy YES: Jason Smith YES: Jaya YES: Jeff Meyer YES: [email protected] YES: Jerzy Martyna YES: Jim Atkinson YES: JJ Webb YES: John De Armond YES: John DiMarco YES: John Duncan YES: John E. Kabat Jr. YES: John Harkin YES: John MacLerran YES: John Meehan YES: John Spencer YES: Jon Grantham YES: jonatan guzman YES: Josh Panar YES: Jouni V{{riskoski YES: [email protected] YES: [email protected] YES: Kate Wilson YES: Kees van der Wal YES: Keith Counsell YES: Ken Fisher YES: Ken Gehring YES: Ken Weaverling YES: Kenneth R Aron YES: Kevin English YES: Kevin Laux YES: Ki Seob Lee YES: Kimberly Churchwell YES: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz!harvey_a YES: Laine Stump YES: Lars Riisboel YES: Lavar Edwards YES: Lawrence H. Compton YES: Logjam YES: Lord Yak Da Hairy YES: Manuel Bronstein