From [email protected] Sun Nov 10 22:30:02 2002
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: adam brower 
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,news.admin.net-abuse.email
Subject: RFD: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting moderated
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:11834 news.groups:420645 news.admin.net-abuse.email:1351540

                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
          moderated group news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroup news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.

Newsgroup line:
news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting	Blocklist issues. (Moderated)

RATIONALE: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

The increasing use and popularity of methods to propagate and query a
list of data in an attempt to reduce network abuse has given rise to the
need for a group specifically devoted to the discussion of their use and
administration. These methods include dns-based blocklists (DNSBL),
right-hand side blocklists (RHSBL,) among others.

Historically, blocklists have long been used by local administrators to
regularize the habits of not only their local users, but the outside world,
at their local hosts and networks.  Recently, the use of centrally
controlled lists has gained a measure of acceptance, notably in their use
to reduce unsolicited bulk email, commonly known as "spam."  This practice
of blocking traffic from insecure sites, sites believed to have bad
policies in place, or sites hosting known abusers has grown in favor.
This conclusion follows not only from the large number of distributed or
queryable lists in use today, but from the ways in which they are used.
Blocklists are no longer used only to  prevent spam.

Current forums in which discussions of these topics are held attract many
contributors whose strong dislike of network abuse and its perpetrators
results in the drowning out of more quietly-stated views with which they
may be in disagreement. As a result, new readers of these groups are often
faced with a bewildering cacophony of advice, ill-conceived technical
information, and outright flames. Far from contributing to the reduction
of abuse, this actually contribute to its perpetuation by driving away the
very participants who have entered the group for assistance. In
particular, news.admin.net-abuse.email has been overwhelmed by the volume
of discussion of blocklist-related topics.  It is hoped that the new group
will serve as a more focussed forum for these discussions, thereby
returning n.a.n-a.e to the purpose stated in its charter as "a forum for
discussion of possible abuses of e-mail."

news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting will exist as an alternative forum where
interested parties may exchange views and information in a civil
manner. It is anticipated that not only adminstrators with comments,
questions, and observations on the use of blocklists, but also those
affected by their use (e.g., those whose addresses are listed in
blocklists, and abuse personnel) will find such a forum useful, and that
the discussions in the group will yield benefits not only to
administrators, abuse personnel, and those who find their addresses
listed, but to the internet community itself, by focussing attention
solely on blocklist issues, promoting calm, rational, informed discussion
of those issues, and in the end contributing to the reduction of network
abuse.


CHARTER: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting is a newsgroup devoted to discussion
of subjects related to the use, administration, and effects of
blocklists in ameliorating the problem of unsolocited bulk email and
other unwanted or abusive network traffic. Any topic which is especially
of interest to those maintaining, using, or affected by blocklists
is welcome in this group.

The nature of the topic is such that expressions of anger and frustration
are expected, but vulgarity, ad hominem attacks, unwarranted generalisations
and non-productive displays of pique (however elegantly worded,) will be
rejected at the discretion of the moderators. Rejected articles will be
returned to the author. Where practicable, the moderator may include advice
on how to revise the article to better meet the criteria for acceptance.

In general, the moderators will not reject articles based on content, but
only on tone and language. However, some content may be deemed unsuitable.
Examples of content-related criteria for rejection may include ad hominem
attacks, repetitive expositions of largely identical arguments, and non-
informative expressions of opinion on the viability of one or another
list, method, provider, or listed entity. The focus will be on
information.

Although discussions in the group may focus on one or another listing in a
specific blocklist, the advice and opinions expressed in the group should
not be taken as authoritative for any listing or list. Maintainers of
various lists use their own various criteria, and may or may not be
influenced by postings in the group, however well-informed or accurate.

All messages removed by unauthorized cancels will be automatically reposted
by Dave the Resurrector or a similar program, or at the discretion of a group
moderator. Spams, gateway spews, and other attacks on the system itself will
be removed as appropriate, following standard Usenet guidelines.

Binary files will not be approved for posting in
news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting, with the exception of PGP signatures.

The following are sample topics which will be addressed in
news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting:

    Blocklist creation and maintenence
    Nomination and delisting procedures
    Criteria used in listings
    Discussions of blocklist listings
    Effects of blocklist use on spam volume
    Other technologies for propagation and querying of a list
    New uses for blocklists

Cross-posting articles to news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting is not
allowed.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

Moderators:

Moderator: Kelly Molloy 
Moderator: David Romerstein 
Moderator: Jim Seymour <[email protected]>
Moderator: Matt Tway 
Moderator: Larry M. Smith 
Moderator: Scott Hazen Mueller  
Moderator: Dave Lugo 
Moderator: WD Baseley 

Additional moderators are still being sought.

Moderation will be performed using the Secure Team-based Usenet Moderation
Program (STUMP) or similar technology, which will be supplied by Scott
Hazen Mueller. Where practicable, the following procedures will be
followed by the moderation team:

 - The moderators will maintain the tone of discourse so as to minimize the
 heated discussions to which the subject often leads.

- Although moderators themselves may have strong opinions on the efficacy,
 application, or side-effects of one or another blocklist or other method
 of reducing spam, they are expected to refrain from allowing such
 opinions to influence their approval or rejection of articles.

 - The moderators may use the tools provided (now or in the future) to aid
 in moderation of the group.  These may include "white lists," "black
 lists," keywording of headers, and word-filtering.

 - Moderators will be added to or removed from the team by a 2/3 majority
 vote. In the case of a vote for removal, the moderator under review will
 not be permitted to vote.

END MODERATOR INFO.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase of
the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroup should be
raised and resolved.  The discussion period will continue for a minimum of
21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to
news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted
by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it.  Please do not
attempt to vote until this happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to
Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to these documents
(available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the
process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
news.admin.net-abuse.email

Proponent: adam brower 
Proponent: Jim Seymour 

From [email protected] Wed Nov 13 03:00:02 2002
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: adam brower 
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,news.admin.net-abuse.email
Subject: 2nd RFD: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting moderated
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Supersedes: <[email protected]>
Approved: [email protected]
Archive-Name: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 02:45:26 UTC
Lines: 194
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:11836 news.groups:421367 news.admin.net-abuse.email:1352923

                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
          moderated group news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

[ Note:  This RFD is posted to supersede <[email protected]> because
  yours truly can't count expiration dates properly, and therefore
  mistakenly submitted a brandnew RFD originally instead of a 2nd issue
  one.

                                              - piranha, n.a.n moderator ]

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroup news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.

Newsgroup line:
news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting	Blocklist issues. (Moderated)

CHANGES from previous RFD:

- Name changed from news.admin.net-abuse.email.blocklists
  to news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting
- Exception to no binaries rule made for PGP signatures
- Rationale expanded to include additional history
- Charter expanded to clarify approval criteria
- Moderator approval changed to 2/3 majority

RATIONALE: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

The increasing use and popularity of methods to propagate and query a
list of data in an attempt to reduce network abuse has given rise to the
need for a group specifically devoted to the discussion of their use and
administration. These methods include dns-based blocklists (DNSBL),
right-hand side blocklists (RHSBL,) among others.

Historically, blocklists have long been used by local administrators to
regularize the habits of not only their local users, but the outside world,
at their local hosts and networks.  Recently, the use of centrally
controlled lists has gained a measure of acceptance, notably in their use
to reduce unsolicited bulk email, commonly known as "spam."  This practice
of blocking traffic from insecure sites, sites believed to have bad
policies in place, or sites hosting known abusers has grown in favor.
This conclusion follows not only from the large number of distributed or
queryable lists in use today, but from the ways in which they are used.
Blocklists are no longer used only to  prevent spam.

Current forums in which discussions of these topics are held attract many
contributors whose strong dislike of network abuse and its perpetrators
results in the drowning out of more quietly-stated views with which they
may be in disagreement. As a result, new readers of these groups are often
faced with a bewildering cacophony of advice, ill-conceived technical
information, and outright flames. Far from contributing to the reduction
of abuse, this actually contribute to its perpetuation by driving away the
very participants who have entered the group for assistance. In
particular, news.admin.net-abuse.email has been overwhelmed by the volume
of discussion of blocklist-related topics.  It is hoped that the new group
will serve as a more focussed forum for these discussions, thereby
returning n.a.n-a.e to the purpose stated in its charter as "a forum for
discussion of possible abuses of e-mail."

news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting will exist as an alternative forum where
interested parties may exchange views and information in a civil
manner. It is anticipated that not only adminstrators with comments,
questions, and observations on the use of blocklists, but also those
affected by their use (e.g., those whose addresses are listed in
blocklists, and abuse personnel) will find such a forum useful, and that
the discussions in the group will yield benefits not only to
administrators, abuse personnel, and those who find their addresses
listed, but to the internet community itself, by focussing attention
solely on blocklist issues, promoting calm, rational, informed discussion
of those issues, and in the end contributing to the reduction of network
abuse.


CHARTER: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting is a newsgroup devoted to discussion
of subjects related to the use, administration, and effects of
blocklists in ameliorating the problem of unsolocited bulk email and
other unwanted or abusive network traffic. Any topic which is especially
of interest to those maintaining, using, or affected by blocklists
is welcome in this group.

The nature of the topic is such that expressions of anger and frustration
are expected, but vulgarity, ad hominem attacks, unwarranted generalisations
and non-productive displays of pique (however elegantly worded,) will be
rejected at the discretion of the moderators. Rejected articles will be
returned to the author. Where practicable, the moderator may include advice
on how to revise the article to better meet the criteria for acceptance.

In general, the moderators will not reject articles based on content, but
only on tone and language. However, some content may be deemed unsuitable.
Examples of content-related criteria for rejection may include ad hominem
attacks, repetitive expositions of largely identical arguments, and non-
informative expressions of opinion on the viability of one or another
list, method, provider, or listed entity. The focus will be on
information.

Although discussions in the group may focus on one or another listing in a
specific blocklist, the advice and opinions expressed in the group should
not be taken as authoritative for any listing or list. Maintainers of
various lists use their own various criteria, and may or may not be
influenced by postings in the group, however well-informed or accurate.

All messages removed by unauthorized cancels will be automatically reposted
by Dave the Resurrector or a similar program, or at the discretion of a group
moderator. Spams, gateway spews, and other attacks on the system itself will
be removed as appropriate, following standard Usenet guidelines.

Binary files will not be approved for posting in
news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting, with the exception of PGP signatures.

The following are sample topics which will be addressed in
news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting:

    Blocklist creation and maintenence
    Nomination and delisting procedures
    Criteria used in listings
    Discussions of blocklist listings
    Effects of blocklist use on spam volume
    Other technologies for propagation and querying of a list
    New uses for blocklists

Cross-posting articles to news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting is not
allowed.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

Moderators:

Moderator: Kelly Molloy 
Moderator: David Romerstein 
Moderator: Jim Seymour <[email protected]>
Moderator: Matt Tway 
Moderator: Larry M. Smith 
Moderator: Scott Hazen Mueller  
Moderator: Dave Lugo 
Moderator: WD Baseley 

Additional moderators are still being sought.

Moderation will be performed using the Secure Team-based Usenet Moderation
Program (STUMP) or similar technology, which will be supplied by Scott
Hazen Mueller. Where practicable, the following procedures will be
followed by the moderation team:

 - The moderators will maintain the tone of discourse so as to minimize the
 heated discussions to which the subject often leads.

 - Although moderators themselves may have strong opinions on the efficacy,
 application, or side-effects of one or another blocklist or other method
 of reducing spam, they are expected to refrain from allowing such
 opinions to influence their approval or rejection of articles.

 - The moderators may use the tools provided (now or in the future) to aid
 in moderation of the group.  These may include "white lists," "black
 lists," keywording of headers, and word-filtering.

 - Moderators will be added to or removed from the team by a 2/3 majority
 vote. In the case of a vote for removal, the moderator under review will
 not be permitted to vote.

END MODERATOR INFO.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase of
the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroup should be
raised and resolved.  The discussion period will continue for a minimum of
21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to
news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted
by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it.  Please do not
attempt to vote until this happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to
Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to these documents
(available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the
process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
news.admin.net-abuse.email

Proponent: adam brower 
Proponent: Jim Seymour 

From [email protected] Thu Jan 23 22:30:23 2003
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: adam brower 
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,news.admin.net-abuse.email
Subject: 3rd RFD: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting moderated
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>
Approved: [email protected]
Archive-Name: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:27:36 UTC
Lines: 187
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:11872 news.groups:425474 news.admin.net-abuse.email:1402808

                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
          moderated group news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroup news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.

Newsgroup line:
news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting	Blocklist issues. (Moderated)

CHANGES from previous RFD:

- No binaries rule reinstated without exceptions
- New moderator added
- Sample topics added to demonstrate equanimity
- Crossposting permitted at moderator discretion

RATIONALE: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

The increasing use and popularity of methods to propagate and query a
list of data in an attempt to reduce network abuse has given rise to the
need for a group specifically devoted to the discussion of their use and
administration. These methods include dns-based blocklists (DNSBL),
right-hand side blocklists (RHSBL,) among others.

Historically, blocklists have long been used by local administrators to
regularize the habits of not only their local users, but the outside world,
at their local hosts and networks.  Recently, the use of centrally
controlled lists has gained a measure of acceptance, notably in their use
to reduce unsolicited bulk email, commonly known as "spam."  This practice
of blocking traffic from insecure sites, sites believed to have bad
policies in place, or sites hosting known abusers has grown in favor.
This conclusion follows not only from the large number of distributed or
queryable lists in use today, but from the ways in which they are used.
Blocklists are no longer used only to  prevent spam.

Current forums in which discussions of these topics are held attract many
contributors whose strong dislike of network abuse and its perpetrators
results in the drowning out of more quietly-stated views with which they
may be in disagreement. As a result, new readers of these groups are often
faced with a bewildering cacophony of advice, ill-conceived technical
information, and outright flames. Far from contributing to the reduction
of abuse, this actually contribute to its perpetuation by driving away the
very participants who have entered the group for assistance. In
particular, news.admin.net-abuse.email has been overwhelmed by the volume
of discussion of blocklist-related topics.  It is hoped that the new group
will serve as a more focussed forum for these discussions, thereby
returning n.a.n-a.e to the purpose stated in its charter as "a forum for
discussion of possible abuses of e-mail."

news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting will exist as an alternative forum where
interested parties may exchange views and information in a civil
manner. It is anticipated that not only administrators with comments,
questions, and observations on the use of blocklists, but also those
affected by their use (e.g., those whose addresses are listed in
blocklists, and abuse personnel) will find such a forum useful, and that
the discussions in the group will yield benefits not only to
administrators, abuse personnel, and those who find their addresses
listed, but to the internet community itself, by focussing attention
solely on blocklist issues, promoting calm, rational, informed discussion
of those issues, and in the end contributing to the reduction of network
abuse.


CHARTER: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting is a newsgroup devoted to discussion
of subjects related to the use, administration, and effects of
blocklists in ameliorating the problem of unsolicited bulk email and
other unwanted or abusive network traffic. Any topic which is especially
of interest to those maintaining, using, or affected by blocklists
is welcome in this group.

The nature of the topic is such that expressions of anger and frustration
are expected, but vulgarity, ad hominem attacks, unwarranted generalisations
and non-productive displays of pique (however elegantly worded,) will be
rejected at the discretion of the moderators. Rejected articles will be
returned to the author. Where practicable, the moderator may include advice
on how to revise the article to better meet the criteria for acceptance.

In general, the moderators will not reject articles based on content, but
only on tone and language. However, some content may be deemed unsuitable.
Examples of content-related criteria for rejection may include ad hominem
attacks, repetitive expositions of largely identical arguments, and non-
informative expressions of opinion on the viability of one or another
list, method, provider, or listed entity. The focus will be on
information.

Although discussions in the group may focus on one or another listing in a
specific blocklist, the advice and opinions expressed in the group should
not be taken as authoritative for any listing or list. Maintainers of
various lists use their own various criteria, and may or may not be
influenced by postings in the group, however well-informed or accurate.

All messages removed by unauthorized cancels will be automatically reposted
by Dave the Resurrector or a similar program, or at the discretion of a group
moderator. Spams, gateway spews, and other attacks on the system itself will
be removed as appropriate, following standard Usenet guidelines.

Binary files will not be approved for posting in
news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting.

The following are sample topics which will be addressed in
news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting:

    Blocklist creation and maintenance
    Nomination and delisting procedures
    Criteria used in listings
    Pros and cons of DNSBL usage
    Reduction of "false positives"
    Discussions of blocklist listings
    Effects of blocklist use on spam volume
    Other technologies for propagation and querying of a list
    New uses for blocklists

Cross-posting articles to news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting is not
allowed; exceptions may be made at the discretion of the moderators,
as for example in the case of FAQ's.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

Moderators:

Moderator: Kelly Molloy 
Moderator: David Romerstein 
Moderator: Jim Seymour <[email protected]>
Moderator: Matt Tway 
Moderator: Larry M. Smith 
Moderator: Scott Hazen Mueller  
Moderator: Dave Lugo 
Moderator: WD Baseley 
Moderator: Gary Callison 

Moderation will be performed using the Secure Team-based Usenet Moderation
Program (STUMP) or similar technology, which will be supplied by Scott
Hazen Mueller. Where practicable, the following procedures will be
followed by the moderation team:

 - The moderators will maintain the tone of discourse so as to minimize the
 heated discussions to which the subject often leads.

- Although moderators themselves may have strong opinions on the efficacy,
 application, or side-effects of one or another blocklist or other method
 of reducing spam, they are expected to refrain from allowing such
 opinions to influence their approval or rejection of articles.

 - The moderators may use the tools provided (now or in the future) to aid
 in moderation of the group.  These may include "white lists," "black
 lists," keywording of headers, and word-filtering.

 - Moderators will be added to or removed from the team by a 2/3 majority
 vote. In the case of a vote for removal, the moderator under review will
 not be permitted to vote.

END MODERATOR INFO.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase of
the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroup should be
raised and resolved.  The discussion period will continue for a minimum of
21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to
news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted
by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it.  Please do not
attempt to vote until this happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to
Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to these documents
(available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the
process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
news.admin.net-abuse.email

Proponent: adam brower 
Proponent: Jim Seymour 

From usenet Wed Jun 18 04:33:49 2003
Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: adam brower 
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,news.admin.net-abuse.email
Subject: 4th RFD: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting moderated
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Approved: [email protected]
Archive-Name: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:29:59 +0000
Lines: 184
Xref: shelby.stanford.edu news.announce.newgroups:9317 news.groups:442100 news.admin.net-abuse.email:1456920

                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
          moderated group news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroup news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.

Newsgroup line:
news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting	Blocklist issues. (Moderated)

CHANGES from previous RFD:

- Refresher RFD

RATIONALE: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

The increasing use and popularity of methods to propagate and query a
list of data in an attempt to reduce network abuse has given rise to the
need for a group specifically devoted to the discussion of their use and
administration. These methods include dns-based blocklists (DNSBL),
right-hand side blocklists (RHSBL,) among others.

Historically, blocklists have long been used by local administrators to
regularize the habits of not only their local users, but the outside world,
at their local hosts and networks.  Recently, the use of centrally
controlled lists has gained a measure of acceptance, notably in their use
to reduce unsolicited bulk email, commonly known as "spam."  This practice
of blocking traffic from insecure sites, sites believed to have bad
policies in place, or sites hosting known abusers has grown in favor.
This conclusion follows not only from the large number of distributed or
queryable lists in use today, but from the ways in which they are used.
Blocklists are no longer used only to  prevent spam.

Current forums in which discussions of these topics are held attract many
contributors whose strong dislike of network abuse and its perpetrators
results in the drowning out of more quietly-stated views with which they
may be in disagreement. As a result, new readers of these groups are often
faced with a bewildering cacophony of advice, ill-conceived technical
information, and outright flames. Far from contributing to the reduction
of abuse, this actually contribute to its perpetuation by driving away the
very participants who have entered the group for assistance. In
particular, news.admin.net-abuse.email has been overwhelmed by the volume
of discussion of blocklist-related topics.  It is hoped that the new group
will serve as a more focussed forum for these discussions, thereby
returning n.a.n-a.e to the purpose stated in its charter as "a forum for
discussion of possible abuses of e-mail."

news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting will exist as an alternative forum where
interested parties may exchange views and information in a civil
manner. It is anticipated that not only administrators with comments,
questions, and observations on the use of blocklists, but also those
affected by their use (e.g., those whose addresses are listed in
blocklists, and abuse personnel) will find such a forum useful, and that
the discussions in the group will yield benefits not only to
administrators, abuse personnel, and those who find their addresses
listed, but to the internet community itself, by focussing attention
solely on blocklist issues, promoting calm, rational, informed discussion
of those issues, and in the end contributing to the reduction of network
abuse.


CHARTER: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting is a newsgroup devoted to discussion
of subjects related to the use, administration, and effects of
blocklists in ameliorating the problem of unsolicited bulk email and
other unwanted or abusive network traffic. Any topic which is especially
of interest to those maintaining, using, or affected by blocklists
is welcome in this group.

The nature of the topic is such that expressions of anger and frustration
are expected, but vulgarity, ad hominem attacks, unwarranted generalisations
and non-productive displays of pique (however elegantly worded,) will be
rejected at the discretion of the moderators. Rejected articles will be
returned to the author. Where practicable, the moderator may include advice
on how to revise the article to better meet the criteria for acceptance.

In general, the moderators will not reject articles based on content, but
only on tone and language. However, some content may be deemed unsuitable.
Examples of content-related criteria for rejection may include ad hominem
attacks, repetitive expositions of largely identical arguments, and non-
informative expressions of opinion on the viability of one or another
list, method, provider, or listed entity. The focus will be on
information.

Although discussions in the group may focus on one or another listing in a
specific blocklist, the advice and opinions expressed in the group should
not be taken as authoritative for any listing or list. Maintainers of
various lists use their own various criteria, and may or may not be
influenced by postings in the group, however well-informed or accurate.

All messages removed by unauthorized cancels will be automatically reposted
by Dave the Resurrector or a similar program, or at the discretion of a group
moderator. Spams, gateway spews, and other attacks on the system itself will
be removed as appropriate, following standard Usenet guidelines.

Binary files will not be approved for posting in
news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting.

The following are sample topics which will be addressed in
news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting:

    Blocklist creation and maintenance
    Nomination and delisting procedures
    Criteria used in listings
    Pros and cons of DNSBL usage
    Reduction of "false positives"
    Discussions of blocklist listings
    Effects of blocklist use on spam volume
    Other technologies for propagation and querying of a list
    New uses for blocklists

Cross-posting articles to news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting is not
allowed; exceptions may be made at the discretion of the moderators,
as for example in the case of FAQ's.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

Moderators:

Moderator: Kelly Molloy 
Moderator: David Romerstein 
Moderator: Jim Seymour <[email protected]>
Moderator: Matt Tway 
Moderator: Larry M. Smith 
Moderator: Scott Hazen Mueller  
Moderator: Dave Lugo 
Moderator: WD Baseley 
Moderator: Gary Callison 

Moderation will be performed using the Secure Team-based Usenet Moderation
Program (STUMP) or similar technology, which will be supplied by Scott
Hazen Mueller. Where practicable, the following procedures will be
followed by the moderation team:

 - The moderators will maintain the tone of discourse so as to minimize the
 heated discussions to which the subject often leads.

- Although moderators themselves may have strong opinions on the efficacy,
 application, or side-effects of one or another blocklist or other method
 of reducing spam, they are expected to refrain from allowing such
 opinions to influence their approval or rejection of articles.

 - The moderators may use the tools provided (now or in the future) to aid
 in moderation of the group.  These may include "white lists," "black
 lists," keywording of headers, and word-filtering.

 - Moderators will be added to or removed from the team by a 2/3 majority
 vote. In the case of a vote for removal, the moderator under review will
 not be permitted to vote.

END MODERATOR INFO.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase of
the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroup should be
raised and resolved.  The discussion period will continue for a minimum of
21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to
news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted
by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it.  Please do not
attempt to vote until this happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to
Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to these documents
(available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the
process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
news.admin.net-abuse.email

Proponent: adam brower 
Proponent: Jim Seymour 

From usenet Wed Jun 18 04:33:49 2003
Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: David E. Smith 
Reply-To: [email protected]
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,news.admin.net-abuse.email
Subject: CFV: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting moderated
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: [email protected]
Expires: 5 Jun 2003 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 03:24:39 +0000
Lines: 245
Xref: shelby.stanford.edu news.announce.newgroups:9325 news.groups:442520 news.admin.net-abuse.email:1475660

                     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
          moderated group news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

Newsgroups line:
news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting	Discussion of ip-based blocklisting. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 4 Jun 2003.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: adam brower 
Proponent: Jim Seymour 
Votetaker: David E. Smith 


RATIONALE: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

The increasing use and popularity of methods to propagate and query a
list of data in an attempt to reduce network abuse has given rise to the
need for a group specifically devoted to the discussion of their use and
administration. These methods include dns-based blocklists (DNSBL),
right-hand side blocklists (RHSBL,) among others.

Historically, blocklists have long been used by local administrators to
regularize the habits of not only their local users, but the outside world,
at their local hosts and networks.  Recently, the use of centrally
controlled lists has gained a measure of acceptance, notably in their use
to reduce unsolicited bulk email, commonly known as "spam."  This practice
of blocking traffic from insecure sites, sites believed to have bad
policies in place, or sites hosting known abusers has grown in favor.
This conclusion follows not only from the large number of distributed or
queryable lists in use today, but from the ways in which they are used.
Blocklists are no longer used only to  prevent spam.

Current forums in which discussions of these topics are held attract many
contributors whose strong dislike of network abuse and its perpetrators
results in the drowning out of more quietly-stated views with which they
may be in disagreement. As a result, new readers of these groups are often
faced with a bewildering cacophony of advice, ill-conceived technical
information, and outright flames. Far from contributing to the reduction
of abuse, this actually contribute to its perpetuation by driving away the
very participants who have entered the group for assistance. In
particular, news.admin.net-abuse.email has been overwhelmed by the volume
of discussion of blocklist-related topics.  It is hoped that the new group
will serve as a more focussed forum for these discussions, thereby
returning n.a.n-a.e to the purpose stated in its charter as "a forum for
discussion of possible abuses of e-mail."

news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting will exist as an alternative forum where
interested parties may exchange views and information in a civil
manner. It is anticipated that not only administrators with comments,
questions, and observations on the use of blocklists, but also those
affected by their use (e.g., those whose addresses are listed in
blocklists, and abuse personnel) will find such a forum useful, and that
the discussions in the group will yield benefits not only to
administrators, abuse personnel, and those who find their addresses
listed, but to the internet community itself, by focussing attention
solely on blocklist issues, promoting calm, rational, informed discussion
of those issues, and in the end contributing to the reduction of network
abuse.

CHARTER: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting is a newsgroup devoted to discussion
of subjects related to the use, administration, and effects of
blocklists in ameliorating the problem of unsolicited bulk email and
other unwanted or abusive network traffic. Any topic which is especially
of interest to those maintaining, using, or affected by blocklists
is welcome in this group.

The nature of the topic is such that expressions of anger and frustration
are expected, but vulgarity, ad hominem attacks, unwarranted generalisations
and non-productive displays of pique (however elegantly worded,) will be
rejected at the discretion of the moderators. Rejected articles will be
returned to the author. Where practicable, the moderator may include advice
on how to revise the article to better meet the criteria for acceptance.

In general, the moderators will not reject articles based on content, but
only on tone and language. However, some content may be deemed unsuitable.
Examples of content-related criteria for rejection may include ad hominem
attacks, repetitive expositions of largely identical arguments, and non-
informative expressions of opinion on the viability of one or another
list, method, provider, or listed entity. The focus will be on
information.

Although discussions in the group may focus on one or another listing in a
specific blocklist, the advice and opinions expressed in the group should
not be taken as authoritative for any listing or list. Maintainers of
various lists use their own various criteria, and may or may not be
influenced by postings in the group, however well-informed or accurate.

All messages removed by unauthorized cancels will be automatically reposted
by Dave the Resurrector or a similar program, or at the discretion of a group
moderator. Spams, gateway spews, and other attacks on the system itself will
be removed as appropriate, following standard Usenet guidelines.

Binary files will not be approved for posting in
news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting.

The following are sample topics which will be addressed in
news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting:

    Blocklist creation and maintenance
    Nomination and delisting procedures
    Criteria used in listings
    Pros and cons of DNSBL usage
    Reduction of "false positives"
    Discussions of blocklist listings
    Effects of blocklist use on spam volume
    Other technologies for propagation and querying of a list
    New uses for blocklists

Cross-posting articles to news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting is not
allowed; exceptions may be made at the discretion of the moderators,
as for example in the case of FAQ's.

Moderation will be performed using the Secure Team-based Usenet Moderation
Program (STUMP) or similar technology, which will be supplied by Scott
Hazen Mueller. Where practicable, the following procedures will be
followed by the moderation team:

 - The moderators will maintain the tone of discourse so as to minimize the
 heated discussions to which the subject often leads.

 - Although moderators themselves may have strong opinions on the efficacy,
 application, or side-effects of one or another blocklist or other method
 of reducing spam, they are expected to refrain from allowing such
 opinions to influence their approval or rejection of articles.

 - The moderators may use the tools provided (now or in the future) to aid
 in moderation of the group.  These may include "white lists," "black
 lists," keywording of headers, and word-filtering.

 - Moderators will be added to or removed from the team by a 2/3 majority
 vote. In the case of a vote for removal, the moderator under review will
 not be permitted to vote.

END CHARTER.


MODERATOR INFO: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

Moderator: Kelly Molloy 
Moderator: David Romerstein 
Moderator: Jim Seymour 
Moderator: Matt Tway 
Moderator: Larry M. Smith 
Moderator: Scott Hazen Mueller  
Moderator: Dave Lugo 
Moderator: WD Baseley 
Moderator: Gary Callison 
Administrative contact address: [email protected]
Article submission address: [email protected]

END MODERATOR INFO.


IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING

The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest in
reading the proposed newsgroup, and soliciting votes from uninterested
parties defeats this purpose.  Do *not* distribute this CFV;  instead,
direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups.
Distributing specific voting instructions or pre-marked copies of
this CFV is considered vote fraud.

This is a public vote:  All email addresses, names and votes will be
listed in the final RESULT post.  The name used may be either a real
name or an established Usenet handle.

At most one vote is allowed per person or per account.  Duplicate
votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote.

Voters must mail their ballots directly to the votetaker.  Anonymous,
forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid, nor are votes mailed from
WWW/HTML/CGI forms (which should not exist).  Votes from nonexistent
accounts or with munged, spam-blocked, or undeliverable addresses are
invalid and will NOT be counted.

Please direct any questions to the votetaker at 


HOW TO VOTE:

Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after
the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines.  Don't worry about
the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your
reply inserts.  Please, DO NOT send the entire CFV back to me!

Fill in the ballot as shown below.  Please provide your real name
(or established Usenet handle) and indicate your desired vote in the
appropriate locations inside the ballot.

Examples of how to properly indicate your vote:

  [ YES     ]  example.yes.vote
  [ NO      ]  example.no.vote
  [ ABSTAIN ]  example.abstention
  [ CANCEL  ]  example.cancellation

DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot!
If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot.

When finished, MAIL the vote to 
Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.
Votes mailed to any other email address, including that of the votetaker,
will NOT be counted.

If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three
days contact the votetaker about the problem.  You are responsible
for reading your ack and making sure your vote is registered correctly.

If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to
Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.stanford.edu/~neilc/uvv.

======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line =======
.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| 1ST CALL FOR VOTES: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting
| Official Usenet Voting Ballot [NANAB-42-1] (Do not remove this line!)
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected. Established
| Usenet handles are also acceptable.  Place ONLY your name (ie. do NOT
| include your e-mail address or any other information; ONLY your name)
| after the colon on the following line:

Voter Name:

| Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each
| newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name):

 Your Vote   Newsgroup
 ---------   -----------------------------------------------------------
[         ]  news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ==============


DISTRIBUTION:

This CFV will be posted to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
news.admin.net-abuse.email

From usenet Wed Jun 18 04:33:49 2003
Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: David E. Smith 
Reply-To: [email protected]
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,news.admin.net-abuse.email
Subject: 2nd CFV: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting moderated
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Supersedes: <[email protected]>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: [email protected]
Expires: 5 Jun 2003 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:58:30 +0000
Lines: 266
Xref: shelby.stanford.edu news.announce.newgroups:9327 news.groups:442838 news.admin.net-abuse.email:1486761

                      LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
          moderated group news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

Newsgroups line:
news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting	Discussion of ip-based blocklisting. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 4 Jun 2003.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: adam brower 
Proponent: Jim Seymour 
Votetaker: David E. Smith 


RATIONALE: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

The increasing use and popularity of methods to propagate and query a
list of data in an attempt to reduce network abuse has given rise to the
need for a group specifically devoted to the discussion of their use and
administration. These methods include dns-based blocklists (DNSBL),
right-hand side blocklists (RHSBL,) among others.

Historically, blocklists have long been used by local administrators to
regularize the habits of not only their local users, but the outside world,
at their local hosts and networks.  Recently, the use of centrally
controlled lists has gained a measure of acceptance, notably in their use
to reduce unsolicited bulk email, commonly known as "spam."  This practice
of blocking traffic from insecure sites, sites believed to have bad
policies in place, or sites hosting known abusers has grown in favor.
This conclusion follows not only from the large number of distributed or
queryable lists in use today, but from the ways in which they are used.
Blocklists are no longer used only to  prevent spam.

Current forums in which discussions of these topics are held attract many
contributors whose strong dislike of network abuse and its perpetrators
results in the drowning out of more quietly-stated views with which they
may be in disagreement. As a result, new readers of these groups are often
faced with a bewildering cacophony of advice, ill-conceived technical
information, and outright flames. Far from contributing to the reduction
of abuse, this actually contribute to its perpetuation by driving away the
very participants who have entered the group for assistance. In
particular, news.admin.net-abuse.email has been overwhelmed by the volume
of discussion of blocklist-related topics.  It is hoped that the new group
will serve as a more focussed forum for these discussions, thereby
returning n.a.n-a.e to the purpose stated in its charter as "a forum for
discussion of possible abuses of e-mail."

news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting will exist as an alternative forum where
interested parties may exchange views and information in a civil
manner. It is anticipated that not only administrators with comments,
questions, and observations on the use of blocklists, but also those
affected by their use (e.g., those whose addresses are listed in
blocklists, and abuse personnel) will find such a forum useful, and that
the discussions in the group will yield benefits not only to
administrators, abuse personnel, and those who find their addresses
listed, but to the internet community itself, by focussing attention
solely on blocklist issues, promoting calm, rational, informed discussion
of those issues, and in the end contributing to the reduction of network
abuse.

CHARTER: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting is a newsgroup devoted to discussion
of subjects related to the use, administration, and effects of
blocklists in ameliorating the problem of unsolicited bulk email and
other unwanted or abusive network traffic. Any topic which is especially
of interest to those maintaining, using, or affected by blocklists
is welcome in this group.

The nature of the topic is such that expressions of anger and frustration
are expected, but vulgarity, ad hominem attacks, unwarranted generalisations
and non-productive displays of pique (however elegantly worded,) will be
rejected at the discretion of the moderators. Rejected articles will be
returned to the author. Where practicable, the moderator may include advice
on how to revise the article to better meet the criteria for acceptance.

In general, the moderators will not reject articles based on content, but
only on tone and language. However, some content may be deemed unsuitable.
Examples of content-related criteria for rejection may include ad hominem
attacks, repetitive expositions of largely identical arguments, and non-
informative expressions of opinion on the viability of one or another
list, method, provider, or listed entity. The focus will be on
information.

Although discussions in the group may focus on one or another listing in a
specific blocklist, the advice and opinions expressed in the group should
not be taken as authoritative for any listing or list. Maintainers of
various lists use their own various criteria, and may or may not be
influenced by postings in the group, however well-informed or accurate.

All messages removed by unauthorized cancels will be automatically reposted
by Dave the Resurrector or a similar program, or at the discretion of a group
moderator. Spams, gateway spews, and other attacks on the system itself will
be removed as appropriate, following standard Usenet guidelines.

Binary files will not be approved for posting in
news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting.

The following are sample topics which will be addressed in
news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting:

    Blocklist creation and maintenance
    Nomination and delisting procedures
    Criteria used in listings
    Pros and cons of DNSBL usage
    Reduction of "false positives"
    Discussions of blocklist listings
    Effects of blocklist use on spam volume
    Other technologies for propagation and querying of a list
    New uses for blocklists

Cross-posting articles to news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting is not
allowed; exceptions may be made at the discretion of the moderators,
as for example in the case of FAQ's.

Moderation will be performed using the Secure Team-based Usenet Moderation
Program (STUMP) or similar technology, which will be supplied by Scott
Hazen Mueller. Where practicable, the following procedures will be
followed by the moderation team:

 - The moderators will maintain the tone of discourse so as to minimize the
 heated discussions to which the subject often leads.

 - Although moderators themselves may have strong opinions on the efficacy,
 application, or side-effects of one or another blocklist or other method
 of reducing spam, they are expected to refrain from allowing such
 opinions to influence their approval or rejection of articles.

 - The moderators may use the tools provided (now or in the future) to aid
 in moderation of the group.  These may include "white lists," "black
 lists," keywording of headers, and word-filtering.

 - Moderators will be added to or removed from the team by a 2/3 majority
 vote. In the case of a vote for removal, the moderator under review will
 not be permitted to vote.

END CHARTER.


MODERATOR INFO: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

Moderator: Kelly Molloy 
Moderator: David Romerstein 
Moderator: Jim Seymour 
Moderator: Matt Tway 
Moderator: Larry M. Smith 
Moderator: Scott Hazen Mueller  
Moderator: Dave Lugo 
Moderator: WD Baseley 
Moderator: Gary Callison 
Administrative contact address: [email protected]
Article submission address: [email protected]

END MODERATOR INFO.


IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING

The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest in
reading the proposed newsgroup, and soliciting votes from uninterested
parties defeats this purpose.  Do *not* distribute this CFV;  instead,
direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups.
Distributing specific voting instructions or pre-marked copies of
this CFV is considered vote fraud.

This is a public vote:  All email addresses, names and votes will be
listed in the final RESULT post.  The name used may be either a real
name or an established Usenet handle.

At most one vote is allowed per person or per account.  Duplicate
votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote.

Voters must mail their ballots directly to the votetaker.  Anonymous,
forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid, nor are votes mailed from
WWW/HTML/CGI forms (which should not exist).  Votes from nonexistent
accounts or with munged, spam-blocked, or undeliverable addresses are
invalid and will NOT be counted.

Please direct any questions to the votetaker at 


HOW TO VOTE:

Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after
the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines.  Don't worry about
the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your
reply inserts.  Please, DO NOT send the entire CFV back to me!

Fill in the ballot as shown below.  Please provide your real name
(or established Usenet handle) and indicate your desired vote in the
appropriate locations inside the ballot.

Examples of how to properly indicate your vote:

  [ YES     ]  example.yes.vote
  [ NO      ]  example.no.vote
  [ ABSTAIN ]  example.abstention
  [ CANCEL  ]  example.cancellation

DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot!
If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot.

When finished, MAIL the vote to 
Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.
Votes mailed to any other email address, including that of the votetaker,
will NOT be counted.

If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three
days contact the votetaker about the problem.  You are responsible
for reading your ack and making sure your vote is registered correctly.

If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to
Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.stanford.edu/~neilc/uvv.

======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line =======
.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| 1ST CALL FOR VOTES: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting
| Official Usenet Voting Ballot [NANAB-42-2] (Do not remove this line!)
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected. Established
| Usenet handles are also acceptable.  Place ONLY your name (ie. do NOT
| include your e-mail address or any other information; ONLY your name)
| after the colon on the following line:

Voter Name:

| Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each
| newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name):

 Your Vote   Newsgroup
 ---------   -----------------------------------------------------------
[         ]  news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ==============


DISTRIBUTION:

This CFV will be posted to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
news.admin.net-abuse.email


Votes in error -- these votes will NOT be counted. (Ironically, several
of the bounced acks failed due to blocklisting. :-)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
abuse~sgrail.org                                                  Derek Morton
   ! Ack bounced
adam~hermes-grp.com                                                Adam Brower
   ! Ack bounced
address~signature.blk                                          Jay T. Blocksom
   ! Ack bounced
JOE~OREGON.UOREGON.EDU                                           Joe St Sauver
   ! Ack bounced
ramsa~swva.net                                             Patricia A. Shaffer
   ! Ack bounced
rault4242~netzero.net                                              Werehatrack
   ! Ack bounced
rnews~river.com                                                Richard Johnson
   ! Ack bounced
usenet~tirani.net                                                       Tirani
   ! Invalid address

From usenet Wed Jun 18 04:33:49 2003
Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: David E. Smith 
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,news.admin.net-abuse.email
Subject: RESULT: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting passes 200:14
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Supersedes: <[email protected]>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: [email protected]
Archive-Name: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 10:58:25 -0700
Lines: 432
Xref: shelby.stanford.edu news.announce.newgroups:9338 news.groups:443259 news.admin.net-abuse.email:1494499

                                RESULT
   moderated group news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting passes 200:14

There were 200 YES votes and 14 NO votes, for a total of 214 valid votes.
There were 3 abstains and 11 invalid ballots.

For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.  If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.


Newsgroups line:
news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting	Discussion of ip-based blocklisting. (Moderated)

Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 4 Jun 2003.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about the
proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: adam brower 
Proponent: Jim Seymour 
Votetaker: David E. Smith 


RATIONALE: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

The increasing use and popularity of methods to propagate and query a
list of data in an attempt to reduce network abuse has given rise to the
need for a group specifically devoted to the discussion of their use and
administration. These methods include dns-based blocklists (DNSBL),
right-hand side blocklists (RHSBL,) among others.

Historically, blocklists have long been used by local administrators to
regularize the habits of not only their local users, but the outside world,
at their local hosts and networks.  Recently, the use of centrally
controlled lists has gained a measure of acceptance, notably in their use
to reduce unsolicited bulk email, commonly known as "spam."  This practice
of blocking traffic from insecure sites, sites believed to have bad
policies in place, or sites hosting known abusers has grown in favor.
This conclusion follows not only from the large number of distributed or
queryable lists in use today, but from the ways in which they are used.
Blocklists are no longer used only to  prevent spam.

Current forums in which discussions of these topics are held attract many
contributors whose strong dislike of network abuse and its perpetrators
results in the drowning out of more quietly-stated views with which they
may be in disagreement. As a result, new readers of these groups are often
faced with a bewildering cacophony of advice, ill-conceived technical
information, and outright flames. Far from contributing to the reduction
of abuse, this actually contribute to its perpetuation by driving away the
very participants who have entered the group for assistance. In
particular, news.admin.net-abuse.email has been overwhelmed by the volume
of discussion of blocklist-related topics.  It is hoped that the new group
will serve as a more focussed forum for these discussions, thereby
returning n.a.n-a.e to the purpose stated in its charter as "a forum for
discussion of possible abuses of e-mail."

news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting will exist as an alternative forum where
interested parties may exchange views and information in a civil
manner. It is anticipated that not only administrators with comments,
questions, and observations on the use of blocklists, but also those
affected by their use (e.g., those whose addresses are listed in
blocklists, and abuse personnel) will find such a forum useful, and that
the discussions in the group will yield benefits not only to
administrators, abuse personnel, and those who find their addresses
listed, but to the internet community itself, by focussing attention
solely on blocklist issues, promoting calm, rational, informed discussion
of those issues, and in the end contributing to the reduction of network
abuse.

CHARTER: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting is a newsgroup devoted to discussion
of subjects related to the use, administration, and effects of
blocklists in ameliorating the problem of unsolicited bulk email and
other unwanted or abusive network traffic. Any topic which is especially
of interest to those maintaining, using, or affected by blocklists
is welcome in this group.

The nature of the topic is such that expressions of anger and frustration
are expected, but vulgarity, ad hominem attacks, unwarranted generalisations
and non-productive displays of pique (however elegantly worded,) will be
rejected at the discretion of the moderators. Rejected articles will be
returned to the author. Where practicable, the moderator may include advice
on how to revise the article to better meet the criteria for acceptance.

In general, the moderators will not reject articles based on content, but
only on tone and language. However, some content may be deemed unsuitable.
Examples of content-related criteria for rejection may include ad hominem
attacks, repetitive expositions of largely identical arguments, and non-
informative expressions of opinion on the viability of one or another
list, method, provider, or listed entity. The focus will be on
information.

Although discussions in the group may focus on one or another listing in a
specific blocklist, the advice and opinions expressed in the group should
not be taken as authoritative for any listing or list. Maintainers of
various lists use their own various criteria, and may or may not be
influenced by postings in the group, however well-informed or accurate.

All messages removed by unauthorized cancels will be automatically reposted
by Dave the Resurrector or a similar program, or at the discretion of a group
moderator. Spams, gateway spews, and other attacks on the system itself will
be removed as appropriate, following standard Usenet guidelines.

Binary files will not be approved for posting in
news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting.

The following are sample topics which will be addressed in
news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting:

    Blocklist creation and maintenance
    Nomination and delisting procedures
    Criteria used in listings
    Pros and cons of DNSBL usage
    Reduction of "false positives"
    Discussions of blocklist listings
    Effects of blocklist use on spam volume
    Other technologies for propagation and querying of a list
    New uses for blocklists

Cross-posting articles to news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting is not
allowed; exceptions may be made at the discretion of the moderators,
as for example in the case of FAQ's.

Moderation will be performed using the Secure Team-based Usenet Moderation
Program (STUMP) or similar technology, which will be supplied by Scott
Hazen Mueller. Where practicable, the following procedures will be
followed by the moderation team:

 - The moderators will maintain the tone of discourse so as to minimize the
 heated discussions to which the subject often leads.

 - Although moderators themselves may have strong opinions on the efficacy,
 application, or side-effects of one or another blocklist or other method
 of reducing spam, they are expected to refrain from allowing such
 opinions to influence their approval or rejection of articles.

 - The moderators may use the tools provided (now or in the future) to aid
 in moderation of the group.  These may include "white lists," "black
 lists," keywording of headers, and word-filtering.

 - Moderators will be added to or removed from the team by a 2/3 majority
 vote. In the case of a vote for removal, the moderator under review will
 not be permitted to vote.

END CHARTER.


MODERATOR INFO: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting

Moderator: Kelly Molloy 
Moderator: David Romerstein 
Moderator: Jim Seymour 
Moderator: Matt Tway 
Moderator: Larry M. Smith 
Moderator: Scott Hazen Mueller  
Moderator: Dave Lugo 
Moderator: WD Baseley 
Moderator: Gary Callison 
Administrative contact address: [email protected]
Article submission address: [email protected]

END MODERATOR INFO.


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news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting Final Vote Ack
(To recreate the original email addresses, replace % with @)

Voted Yes
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32123%spamcop.net                                                        32123
72027.3605%compuserve.com                                           Bob Bailin
9cms4%qlink.queensu.ca                                            Corey Seward
aardvarkz%austin.rr.com                                       Aardvark Zymurgy
abuse%trackdata.com                                                      Abuse
abuse%treehouse.dyndns.org                                     Admin Treehouse
alansz%tala.mede.uic.edu                                         Alan Schwartz
aminggs%yahoo.co.uk                                            Andrew M. Inggs
amurph%teleport.com                                                  A. Murphy
andrew%andrewr.co.uk                                             Andrew Rendle
andrew%spamcon.org                                              Andrew Barrett
anthony%catfish.nildram.co.uk                                  Anthony Edwards
Bar630%aol.com                                       Barbara Anne Richards

barryd%idunno.org                                                Barry Dorrans
benscott%nwlink.com                                                  Ben Scott
bfrost%nyx.net                                                   Bonnell Frost
Bill.Maloy%goldinc.com                                              Bill Maloy
bill%scconsult.com                                                   Bill Cole
blecorchick%earthlink.net                                     Brian Lecorchick
bob%cluestick.org                                                    Bob O`Bob
boblyons%umich.edu                                        Robert H. Lyons, Jr.
bouvin%daimi.au.dk                                           Niels Olof Bouvin
brian%word-to-the-wise.com           Brian McNett (usenet handle "Caveman Og")
bsbox%mindspring.com                                              Mark Garrett
buff%pobox.com                                                  William Denton
bz%chemserv.chem.lsu.edu                                              Bob Zinn
carel%xs4all.nl                                                          Carel
cathy%acornhosting.net                                           Cathy Sarisky
cfaber%fpsn.net                                                    Colin Faber
chris%kzim.com                                     Christopher Robin Zimmerman
chris%westnet.com                                      Christopher X. Candreva
cikovic%cluestick.org                                           Robert Cikovic
clare%hawthorne.me.uk                                            Clare Elliott
cn236%freenet.carleton.ca                                       Scott Delahunt
cshard%cvc.net                                                          Shelly
csmrl%bath.ac.uk                                                  Rayner Lucas
csusenet%hotmail.com                                             Cliff Stancil
c_ish%mindspring.com                                           Christopher Ish
d.rinewalt%tcu.edu                                               Dick Rinewalt
davenull%snet.net                                                  Martin Roth
david%desjardins.org                                          David desJardins
david%farrar.com                                                  David Farrar
davidbath1%bigfoot.com                                           David E. Bath
dc%panix.com                                                 David W. Crawford
devin%thecabal.org                                             Devin L. Ganger
dfrost%maths.tcd.ie                                               Dermot Frost
dioneo%hotmail.com                                                Onion Knight
dlugo%etherboy.com                                                   Dave Lugo
dmacks%sas.upenn.edu                                           Daniel E. Macks
dmckeon%swcp.com                                                  Denis McKeon
dmurdoch%pair.com                                               Duncan Murdoch
don-aitken%freeuk.com                                               Don Aitken
dritz%suespammers.org                                               David Ritz
dsr%mail.lns.cornell.edu                                             Dan Riley
dtesler%tcg-systems.com                                             Hawkeye-X
earthscibbs%rogers.com                                           David Ramalho
Ed%Bertsch.org                                                  edward bertsch
edward%paleo.org                                                   Edward Reid
Ekkehard%Uthke.de                                               Ekkehard Uthke
elias%killerlink.net                                              Elias Alvord
elucero%inet.cl                                                 Eduardo Lucero
erik%selwerd.nl                                                 Erik Warmelink
ermannov%despammed.com                                        Ermanno Iannacci
esa.peuha%helsinki.fi                                                Esa Peuha
Espen.Randen%rikshospitalet.no                                    Espen Randen
expategghead%hotmail.com                                        Adrian Edmonds
franck.thales%wanadoo.fr                                             Franck T.
george%george.nu                                                 George Rickle
ggw%wolves.durham.nc.us                                       Gregory Woodbury
glenn%delink.net                                                 Brian T Glenn
gniko%gniko.com                                                  Niko Mikkanen
grabiner%alumni.princeton.edu                                   David Grabiner
graham.drabble%lineone.net                                      Graham Drabble
gregb%blackholio.dyndns.org                                  Greg R. Broderick
gregga%hickorytech.net                                          Gregg Anderson
harder%ifa.au.dk                                                 Jesper Harder
hezu+usenetvote%iki.fi                                          Heikki Kantola
hg-nanabvote%queue.to                                         howard goldstein
hokan%me.umn.edu                                                         Hokan
huey%interaccess.com                                   Gary S. "Huey" Callison
InactiveX666%hotmail.com                                        Ronald D. Edge
instring%yahoo.com                                                  Herb Oxley
j.riden%massey.ac.nz                                               James Riden
jbl%spamblocked.com                                                J. B. Levin
jcolson%ndgonline.com                                            Joshua Colson
jdg%diogenes.sacramento.ca.us                                  John David Galt
jeffwynn%spamblocked.com                                             Jeff Wynn
jfh%avondale.demon.co.uk                                           John F Hall
jimhowes%prosig.com                                                  Jim Howes
jimi-tubman%blueyonder.co.uk                                       Jimi Tubman
jjaworsk%mts.net                                                  Jim Jaworski
jjf%usenet.twinlobber.org.uk                                 James John Farmer
jlewis%lewis.org                                                     Jon Lewis
jley%shaw.ca                                                         James Ley
JLR%artech.com.uy                                          Jos=E9 Lamas R=EDos
jmalina%best.com                                                 Jo Ann Malina
jmaynard%conmicro.cx                                               Jay Maynard
jmorris%cac.washington.edu                                        James Morris
jmprice%calweb.com                                            John M Price PhD
johan%outerlimits.cx                                             Johan Haagsma
john%TheWorld.com                                                Jacmo Fenanay
john%tradoc.fr                                                    John Wilcock
johnday%wordsnimages.com                                              John Day
johnl%iecc.com                                                  John R. Levine
jrusling-0305%cox.net                                              Jim Rusling
jseymour%LinxNet.com                                               Jim Seymour
julesd%erols.com                                                  Jules Dubois
JunkDTectr%carolina.rr.com                                       Murray Watson
jwalz+nan%radix.net                                                 Janet Walz
k6cdo%attbi.com                                                       Don Root
kcole16%ford.com                                                    Kathy Cole
keithlim%pobox.com                                                   keith lim
kelly%uppitychick.net                                             Kelly Molloy
kenrbnsn%rbnsn.com                                                Ken Robinson
kilgallen%Encompasserve.org                                    Larry Kilgallen
kkrueger%whoi.edu                                              Karl A. Krueger
kmorgan%spamcop.net                                               Kathy Morgan
lsimonetta%newsguy.com                                        Leo G. Simonetta
mail%sebastian-brocks.de                                      Sebastian Brocks
matt.b%myrealbox.com                                                    Matt B
matthew%blackholes.us                                         Matthew J. Evans
md%Linux.IT                                                       Marco d'Itri
michael%moria.de                                                Michael Haardt
mjt%tls.msk.ru                                                 Michael Tokarev
mmrosa%bigpond.net.au                                              Michal Rosa
mongrel_mind%yahoo.com                                            Mongrel Mind
naddy%mips.inka.de                                        Christian Weisgerber
nanab.vote%ccmt.biz                                                 Dot Matrix
nanabvote%bac.mailshell.com                                     Bruce Crawford
nanabvote%heresiarch.demon.co.uk                               Chris Suslowicz
nanabvote%honet.com                                            Michael Rathbun
Ned_Fleming%wr.com                                                 Ned Fleming
nickptar%mindspring.com                                          Nick Tarleton
nihongo%paxonet.com                                       Kevin Wayne Williams
nomad%gwu.edu                                                    Andrew Tellez
nospam%mialfreak.com                                           Claes Tullbrink
onetrue%comcast.net                                             Matt Carothers
p.texier%genindre.org                                           Patrick Texier
pascoedj+usenet%spamcop.net                                       David Pascoe
paul%eucleides.com                                         Paul A. Franz, P.E.
peter.peters%civ.utwente.nl                                       Peter Peters
pgalimatias%hotmail.com                                     Pelerin Galimatias
pholmes%mediares.com                                    Phillip Brandon Holmes
porjes%spamcop.net                                            Peter Stephenson
prickly_pdtar%att.net                                            Jim La Vergne
priruss%ev1.net                                                     Russ Price
p_spinosa%cluestick.org                                        Rick Blackthorn
Quasimodo%Yahoo.com                                                Jim Higgins
qwerty34560%lycos.com                                               Brian Reed
rault00%earthlink.net                               Russ Ault, aka Werehatrack
Richard~%mandarin.com                                              Richard Cox
rick%bcm.tmc.edu                                              Richard H Miller
rickm%bright.net                                               Rick Mendenhall
rkt%keyknife.com                                           Richard C. Tietjens
rnews%river.com                                                Richard Johnson
Robert.Allen%cityofhouston.net                                 Robert A. Allen
romer%hanov3r.com                                             David Romerstein
ronnirubin%sprintmail.com                                      Arthur L. Rubin
rrclark%rrclark.net                                            Richard R Clark
ru.igarashi%usask.ca                                               ru igarashi
sapient.fridge%spamsites.org                                    Sapient Fridge
sbfaulds%ihug.co.nz                                              Stuart Faulds
sean%nisd.net                                                       SEAN EMBRY
sethb%panix.com                                                 Seth Breidbart
SgtChains%FahQ2.com                                             Larry M. Smith
shrdlu%deaddrop.org                                              Etaoin Shrdlu
simon%darkmere.gen.nz                                              Simon Lyall
sleeper%dcemail.com                                                    sleeper
smlucas%flashmail.com                                             Steven Lucas
spam%puppet-head.co.uk                                             steve peake
spammaster%cpcug.org                                                spammaster
spamstop%start.no                                                 Rune Persson
spamsurfer%ev1.net                                                Chris N.

spamtrap%houston.rr.com                                        Steven Marzuola
strads%excite.com                                              George Crissman
tbetz%pobox.com                                                    THOMAS BETZ
thg%interoil.com                                             Terry H. Gilsenan
thierry%pompo.net                                               Thierry Thomas
thomas%wkaz.net                                                 Thomas Lemoine
thor%anta.net                                                    Thor Kottelin
tim%denmantire.com                                                   Tim Boyer
tlgdropbox%mindspring.com                                      Ted Louis Glenn
ToledoCyberCafe%aol.com                                     Karen Hoffmann

tskirvin%killfile.org                                              Tim Skirvin
usenet.roku%gehena.demon.co.uk                                   Rex M F Smith
usenet01+SPAMBLOCK%appropriate-tech.net                        Jay T. Blocksom
van.ette%inter.nl.net                                      Robert-Jan van Ette
varys%fortytwo.ch                                            Adrian von Bidder
verbila%there.net                                                      Verbila
vince%spamtraps.org                                            Vincent Schonau
vpdura%hiwaay.net                                                     Vic Dura
warnold%vipnet.org                                                Billy Arnold
wbe%psr.com                                                     Winston Edmond
werner%ccwf.cc.utexas.edu                                               Werner
wesu%attbi.com                                            Wayne Sanders-Unrein
wimm%wimware.net                               Wim Morrison (wimm%wimware.net)
WireGuy13%aol.com                                              Gary Grossoehme
wisanr%catskill.net                                                 Dick Wisan
wiz%verinet.com                                                            Wiz
woofridge%aol.com                                                   Woof Ridge

Voted No
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alanb%digistar.com                                                  Alan Brown
cmize%goiter.com                                                    Chuck Mize
gaillard%panix.com                                                 Ed Gaillard
gprrspw%mindspring.com                                               G.P. Ryan
irenka_gra%yahoo.com                                                irenka gra
lsheldon%creighton.edu                                Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr.
mhunter%atlantic.net                                               Rob Maxwell
mountainmagic%factscanada.com                                   Jason Harrison
painmaster%canada.com                                          Michael Masters
pan%syix.com                                                               Pan
psmyth%gmx.net                                                     Peter Smyth
rolyv%bigpond.com                                             Roland Verlander
stainles%realtime.net                                             Dwight Brown
tomp%st.net.au                                                     Tom Perrett

Abstained
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axlq%spamcop.net                                                          Axlq
ernestcline%mindspring.com                                        Ernest Cline
joele%pop4.net                                                    Joel Ehrlich


Votes in error
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abuse%sgrail.org                                                  Derek Morton
   ! Ack bounced
adam%hermes-grp.com                                                Adam Brower
   ! Ack bounced
address%signature.blk                                          Jay T. Blocksom
   ! Ack bounced
daigaku%cruelmail.com                                           Andrea Rimicci
   ! Ack bounced
JOE%OREGON.UOREGON.EDU                                           Joe St Sauver
   ! Ack bounced
mikea%mikea.ath.cx                                               Mike Andrews
   ! Ack bounced
ramsa%swva.net                                             Patricia A. Shaffer
   ! Ack bounced
rault4242%netzero.net                                              Werehatrack
   ! Ack bounced
SgtChains%Chickenboner.com                                      Larry M. Smith
   ! No ballot
tpp%chickenboner.com                                             Tero Paananen
   ! Ack bounced
usenet%tirani.net                                                       Tirani
   ! Invalid address