From [email protected] Sat Feb 13 12:44:57 1993
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From: [email protected] (Christian Schaepper)
Subject: RFD: comp.lang.oberon
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              R E Q U E S T   F O R   D I S C U S S I O N
              -------------------------------------------

This is a Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a newsgroup
for the discussion of issues regarding the Oberon language and system.

GROUP NAME
	comp.lang.oberon

STATUS
	unmoderated

CHARTER
	comp.lang.oberon (unmoderated) will be a newsgroup for discussion
	of all types of issues regarding the Oberon language and system.

RATIONALE
	Due to historical reasons, topics related to Oberon are currently
	being discussed in comp.lang.modula2. Not everyone may be aware of
	this fact and thus miss the discussion related to Oberon. Further,
	readers of comp.lang.modula2 might not like the "abuse" of their
	newsgroup. The creation of comp.lang.oberon solves both problems.

BACKGROUND
	Oberon is really three things:
	- the name of a project started by Proff. N. Wirth and J. Gutknecht
	  (both at ETH Zurich) with the goal of developing a modern and
	  portable operating system for personal workstations
	- a general-purpose programming language (the successor of Modula-2)
	  with type extension as its principal new feature 
	  (The programming language Oberon-2, designed to make object
	  oriented programming easier, is a true extension of Oberon)
	- an extensible operating system, complete with a novel user
          interface and associated software tools

	The Oberon system (including the Oberon compiler) is available as
	freeware via anonymous ftp from neptune.inf.ethz.ch (129.132.101.33)
	(directory 'Oberon') for the following machines:
	IBM PC (386 or better), Macintosh II (Apple), SPARC (Sun),
	DECstation/3100 and 3500, RS/6000 (IBM)
	(You'll also find some docu (including language reports) there)

SCHEDULE
	This RFD was issued on February  1 and will last for 30 days. If
	this RFD is approved, a CFV will be issued on March 4, and
	the voting period will end at 11:59 (MET), March 25.
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| Christian Schaepper, Zurich, Switzerland      [email protected] |
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From [email protected] Thu Mar 11 11:33:16 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: Christian Schaepper 
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Subject: CFV: comp.lang.oberon
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Date: 11 Mar 1993 01:25:24 -0500
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                      C A L L   F O R   V O T E S
                      ---------------------------

This is a Call For Votes (CFV) for the creation of comp.lang.oberon.

DISCUSSION
	A Request For Discussion (RFD) was issued on February 1.
	The name, status and charter of the new group were accepted.

GROUP NAME, STATUS and CHARTER
	comp.lang.oberon (unmoderated) will be a newsgroup for discussion
	of all types of issues regarding the Oberon language and system.

VOTING
	The voting period will begin when this CFV is posted. It will 
	end at 11:59 (MET), April 1, 1993. According to the Usenet
	rules, in order for the group to be created, at least 2/3 of
	the votes cast must be YES votes, and there must be at least
	100 more YES votes than NO votes

	Votes must be sent to the following address:

		[email protected]
	
	You may simply "reply" to this posting. The subject line should
	be an unambigous YES or NO vote (e.g. "I vote ( YES | NO ) on
	the creation of comp.lang.oberon as proposed"). Conditional
	statements (e.g. "I would vote YES, if ...") will be considered
	as comments as will votes posted to the net instead of being
	mailed to the above address. Please include your full name if
	your mailer doesn't do this for you.

SCHEDULE
	This CFV was issued on March 11, and the voting period will
        end at 11:59 (MET), April 1, 1993.

                   Thank you for your participation!

From [email protected] Thu Apr  1 16:00:50 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: Christian Schaepper 
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Subject: RESULT: comp.lang.oberon passes 237:17
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                            comp.lang.oberon
                             R E S U L T S

Here are the results of the CFV on the creation of the comp.lang.oberon
newsgroup.

	votes cast:	254
	yes votes:	237 (93.3%)
	no votes:	 17 ( 6.7%)

The requirements for group creation are met and the new newsgroup can be
created after a waiting period of 5 days. During this waiting period the
net has a chance to correct any errors in the voter list appended below.

Thanks to anyone who cast a vote!

YES votes:
"A. Evers" 
aburke@BIX.com
[email protected] (Jason Smith)
Adrian Howard 
[email protected]
[email protected] (J. Alan Eldridge)
Alexander Tuninga 
[email protected]
"(Andreas Garzotto)" 
"(Andreas Margelisch)" 
andrew%[email protected] (Andrew McVeigh)
ATJBF%[email protected] (John Foster)
Barry Allebone 
Barry Cornelius 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Ben Coleman)
Bernhard Leisch 
Bert Bos 
[email protected] (Dwight Everhart)
Bill Wallace 
borch[email protected] (Andreas Borchert)
Boris Nordenstroem 
[email protected] (Brent Benson)
Brian Beattie 
Brian Excarnate 
[email protected] (Dennis Brueni)
Cedric Didier Baechler 
"Cheryl Lins" 
"(Christoph MALLOTH)" 
[email protected] (Claudio Nieder)
Clemens Szyperski 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Yoshiyuki KONDO)
Conor O'Neill 

[email protected] (Pat Terry)
Curlen H. Phipps 
[email protected]
[email protected]
David Derbes 
"David M. Brumley" 
[email protected] (David Sims)
Denisov  Andrey 
Dennis Michl 
Dirk Muysers 
[email protected]
Dmitry Sagatelyan 
[email protected] (David J. Nordstrom)
Douin Jean Michel 
[email protected] (Dov Grobgeld)
[email protected]
Edin Hodzic 
[email protected] ((Elho) ELIDRISSI)
[email protected] (Edward P Luwish)
eric blair hanneken 
Eric Stechmann - SP 
[email protected] (E. Videki)
[email protected] (Marcos J. C. Euzebio)
[email protected]
"(Fernando D. Mato Mira)" 
[email protected] (Guenter Feldmann)
[email protected] ( dominik  latouche)

[email protected] (Astrid Frings)
[email protected] (Frode Odegard)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Gregory G. Woodbury)
grabert@mathematik.uni-ulm.de (Matthias Grabert)
"Greg (G.T.) Stovall" 

[email protected] (Sean Case)
Guenter Dotzel <10002[email protected]>
[email protected] (Brian Guenter)

[email protected] (Gene Garbutt)
[email protected] (Stephen E. Halpin)
Hans Eberle 
Hans J. Froehlich 
"(Hansjakob Emch)" 
[email protected] (hartmut Goebel hartmut Goebel)
Hasse Haitto 

[email protected] (Utz-Uwe Haus)
"Heberto Ghezzo" 



[email protected] (Holger Mitterwald)
HSSEMMIB%[email protected]
"J. Adrian Zimmer" 
[email protected]
Jarmo Pussinen
[email protected] (James da Silva)
[email protected] (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
"Jeffrey R. Brown" 
[email protected] (Jerry Bujas (gst))
[email protected] (Beeblebrox)
"Joachim Michely" 
[email protected] (Joel McCormack)
"Jon. Hallett" 
Jordan Henderson 
[email protected] (Larry M. Jordan)
Josef Templ 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Jarmo Pussinen)
Jyrki J Wahlstedt 
[email protected] (George S Kardaras)
[email protected] (Jeff Katcher)
"Kevin R. Coombes" 
[email protected] (kluge daniel)
[email protected] (Edgar Knapp)
Kristian Butorac 
[email protected] (Sven Oliver Krumke)
[email protected] (Karl R. Sackett)
[email protected] (C.Laffra)
[email protected] (Larry Maturo)
[email protected] (Lee Li-Jen Chen)
[email protected] (Volker Lendecke EIFFEL)
lima!lima-3!reh@uu5.psi.com (Rich Hoffarth)
[email protected] (Stefan Wengi)

[email protected]
[email protected] (Apostolos Lytras)
[email protected] (Maarten Ballintijn)
mani@ppvku.ericsson.se (Markus Nikolopoulos)
Manuel Eduardo Correia 
Marc Brandis 
Marcel Waldvogel 
Mark Skipper 
Markus Geltz 
[email protected] (Martin Hasch)
[email protected]
[email protected] (The Libertarian Underground)
"Matthew (M.) Holiday" 
Matthias Neeracher 
[email protected] (Mark Atwood)
Maximilian Spring 
[email protected]
[email protected] (aubrey mcintosh)
[email protected] (Ming-Ding Tsao)
Michael John Haertel 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Mike Gallo)
[email protected] (Michael J Lutz)

Nedorya Alexey 
[email protected] (Neurogenetica)
[email protected] (Norman Ramsey)
Paolo Bucci 
[email protected] (Mike Steffan)
Patrick Saladin 
Paul McRae 
Paul Prescod 
Paul.T[email protected]
[email protected]
Peter Hertel 
[email protected] (Peter da Silva)

"pfterry" 
[email protected] (Paul J. Channell)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Panagiotis Spiliopoulos)
[email protected] (Patrick Wauters)
R James Noble 
Ralf Bauer 
"Ramon E. Pereda" 
[email protected] (Randy Bush)
Ray Jackson 
[email protected]
"Rett Bull, Pomona College" 
Richard Hable 
Rick Moore 
Rik Watson 
"R.J.D.Elias" 
"(Robb Nebbe)" 
Robert Cowell 
[email protected] (R. Harries)
Roger Vossler 
[email protected] (Klaus Rohm)
[email protected] (Roger Mueller)
[email protected] (Scott Rose)
[email protected] (Russ Schnapp)
[email protected] (Reinhard Schoen)
[email protected] (Harald Ruess)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Markus Schauler)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Andreas Schramm)
[email protected] (Michael Sclafani)
[email protected] (Shahril Ibrahim)
[email protected] (Werner Stanglow)
Stefan Esser 
Stefan Odendahl 
[email protected] (Stefan Stammler)
"(Stelio Tzonis)" 
[email protected] (Stephan Eggermont)
[email protected] (Stewart Gilles)
[email protected]

[email protected] (Franz Schweiggert)
T0FG000 
[email protected]
Thomas F. Reid 
Thomas Ingold 
"Thomas J. Herbert" 
Thomas Wainwright 
thutt 
"Todd A. Proebsting" 
[email protected]
Tony Sloane 
Toshinori.Maeno 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Detlef Lannert)
[email protected] ([email protected])
Ulrich Hoffmann 
[email protected] (Ulrich Neumerkel)
Urs Blum 
[email protected] (Val Veraart)
vilv[email protected] (VEIJO VILVA (KEJAL))
"(Vincent Kohler)" 
[email protected] (Bernd Waldbauer)
[email protected] (David Wald)
[email protected] (Hanno Walischewski)
[email protected] (Detlef Birkholz)
[email protected] (Andreas Fugmann)
[email protected] (Whitney de Vries)
[email protected]

[email protected] (Willy Jacobs)
Wolfgang Pree 
[email protected] (Warren R Carithers)
[email protected] (Jost Krieger)
[email protected] (Woodrow Yeung)

NO votes:
[email protected] (Claude Huss)
[email protected] (Ed McGuire)
"Eric J. Olson" 
Igor Metz 
Marc Moorcroft 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Bill Owens)
[email protected] (Leonard J. Peirce)
Peter Hermann 
"Phil Scadden, Scadden Research" 
[email protected] (Richard H. Miller)
Roland Kaltefleiter 
[email protected] (Steve Rogers)
Stephen Lau 
[email protected] (Tim Channon)
[email protected] (Ted Koppel)
[email protected] (Stephen C. Trier)