From [email protected] Sat Apr 4 02:33:40 1992 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:1709 news.groups:36887 comp.windows.ms:22378 comp.os.msdos.apps:4422 comp.os.msdos.misc:5100 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:20656 comp.os.msdos.programmer:11626 comp.windows.ms.programmer:8054 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.ms,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.os.msdos.programmer,comp.windows.ms.programmer Path: rpi!bounce-back From: [email protected] Subject: RFD: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Date: 6 Jan 92 07:24:58 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 107 This is a request for discussion of a proposed unmoderated newsgroup titled "comp.os.msdos.pcgeos". Please note that this is *not* a call for votes. After one month's discussion period, a call for votes will be issued. Please make sure that your discussion is directed to news.groups. PROPOSED NAME: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos PROPOSED CHARTER: To discuss and share information about: - GeoWorks PC/GEOS and PC/GEOS-based products, including but not limited to Ensemble, Pro, Personal Office System, and the PC/GEOS software development kit. - Other software that operates within the PC/GEOS environment. - Hardware/software compatibilities and incompatibilities pertaining to PC/GEOS. - Software development for the PC/GEOS environment. PROPOSED STATUS: Unmoderated RATIONALE: Subject ------- PC/GEOS is an award-winning graphical environment for MSDOS-based personal computers. It's origins are in the Berkeley SoftWorks (now called GeoWorks) GEOS products for Apple and Commodore computers. PC/GEOS provides a Motif-like window environment and a true multitasking multithreaded kernel. Unlike Microsoft Windows, PC/GEOS will run on as little as 512KB of memory, 3MB of disk space, MSDOS 2.0, a Hercules video adapter, and an 8088 processor. PC/GEOS fills a substantial niche by providing a windowing environment for those MSDOS-based computers which have limited capacity or performance (such as PC/XT's and low-end laptops, notebooks, and PC/AT's) that have been abandoned by the resource demands of Microsoft Windows and OS/2. The GeoWorks Ensemble product integrates a set of productivity with the PC/GEOS operating environment. In the GeoWorks Pro product, Borland's Quattro SE product is also integrated into the PC/GEOS environment. The Personal Office System products are specific productivity tools. Release of a software development kit is expected in 1992. Interest -------- In December of 1991, a mailing list was created for discussion of the GeoWorks Ensemble product. In only one month of operation, the list has grown to include over 90 subscribers from 10 countries. Newsgroup name -------------- Several names have been considered. They are discussed below, along with a recommendation. *.geoworks: Too vendor-specific. The charter includes discussion of software produced by individuals and companies outside of the GeoWorks company. *.geos: Could be confused with the Apple and/or Commodore GEOS products. The charter limits discussion to the PC/GEOS environment. *.ensemble: Too product-specific. The charter includes discussion of other GeoWorks products (such as Pro) and non-GeoWorks products. *.pcgeos: This is proposed as the best choice. It adequately describes the intended environment, does not preclude new product package names from GeoWorks, and does not disclude non-GeoWorks products (any more than "*.msdos.*" discludes non-Microsoft products). Location in the newsgroup hierarchy ----------------------------------- Several locations have been considered. They are discussed below, along with a recommendation. comp.windows.pcgeos: This is consistent with comp.windows.ms and comp.windows.ms.programmer. However, PC/GEOS is more than a window system, and the proposed charter of the newsgroup includes discussion of the kernel and applications in addition to the window system itself. comp.os.pcgeos: Even though PC/GEOS requires MSDOS underneath, it acts more like a complete operating system than an operating environment on top of MSDOS. Nonetheless, all of the other comp.os.* groups are standalone operating systems, and so PC/GEOS should probably not be located at this level. comp.os.msdos.pcgeos: This is proposed as the best choice. It is consistent with the existing newsgroup comp.os.msdos.desqview. From [email protected] Sat Apr 4 02:44:51 1992 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:1740 news.groups:37269 comp.windows.ms:22799 comp.os.msdos.apps:4525 comp.os.msdos.misc:5265 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:20998 comp.os.msdos.programmer:11956 comp.windows.ms.programmer:8286 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.ms,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.os.msdos.programmer,comp.windows.ms.programmer Path: rpi!bounce-back From: [email protected] Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Date: 14 Jan 92 16:05:23 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 120 This is a second request for discussion of a proposed unmoderated newsgroup titled "comp.os.msdos.pcgeos". The first request was posted on Jan. 6, 1992. Please note that this is *not* a call for votes. After one month's discussion period (from the first CFD posting), a call for votes will be issued. Please make sure that your discussion is directed to news.groups. PROPOSED NAME: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos PROPOSED CHARTER: To discuss and share information about: - GeoWorks PC/GEOS and PC/GEOS-based products, including but not limited to Ensemble, Pro, Personal Office System, and the PC/GEOS software development kit. - Other software that operates within the PC/GEOS environment. - Hardware/software compatibilities and incompatibilities pertaining to PC/GEOS. - Software development for the PC/GEOS environment. PROPOSED STATUS: Unmoderated RATIONALE: Subject ------- PC/GEOS is an award-winning graphical environment for MSDOS-based personal computers. It's origins are in the Berkeley SoftWorks (now called GeoWorks) GEOS products for Apple and Commodore computers. PC/GEOS provides a Motif-like window environment and a true multitasking multithreaded kernel. Unlike Microsoft Windows, PC/GEOS will run on as little as 512KB of memory, 3MB of disk space, MSDOS 2.0, a Hercules video adapter, and an 8088 processor. PC/GEOS fills a substantial niche by providing a windowing environment for those MSDOS-based computers which have limited capacity or performance (such as PC/XT's and low-end laptops, notebooks, and PC/AT's) that have been abandoned by the resource demands of Microsoft Windows and OS/2. The GeoWorks Ensemble product integrates a set of productivity with the PC/GEOS operating environment. In the GeoWorks Pro product, Borland's Quattro SE product is also integrated into the PC/GEOS environment. The Personal Office System products are specific productivity tools. Release of a software development kit is expected in 1992. Interest -------- In December of 1991, a mailing list was created for discussion of the GeoWorks Ensemble product. In only one month of operation, the list has grown to include over 90 subscribers from 10 countries. Newsgroup name -------------- Several names have been considered. They are discussed below, along with a recommendation. *.geoworks: Too vendor-specific. The charter includes discussion of software produced by individuals and companies outside of the GeoWorks company. *.geos: Could be confused with the Apple and/or Commodore GEOS products. The charter limits discussion to the PC/GEOS environment. *.ensemble: Too product-specific. The charter includes discussion of other GeoWorks products (such as Pro) and non-GeoWorks products. *.pcgeos: This is proposed as the best choice. It adequately describes the intended environment, does not preclude new product package names from GeoWorks, and does not disclude non-GeoWorks products (any more than "*.msdos.*" discludes non-Microsoft products). Location in the newsgroup hierarchy ----------------------------------- Several locations have been considered. They are discussed below, along with a recommendation. comp.windows.pcgeos: This is consistent with comp.windows.ms and comp.windows.ms.programmer. However, PC/GEOS is more than a window system, and the proposed charter of the newsgroup includes discussion of the kernel and applications in addition to the window system itself. comp.os.pcgeos: Even though PC/GEOS requires MSDOS underneath, it acts more like a complete operating system than an operating environment on top of MSDOS. Nonetheless, all of the other comp.os.* groups are standalone operating systems, and so PC/GEOS should probably not be located at this level. comp.os.msdos.pcgeos: This is proposed as the best choice. It is consistent with the existing newsgroup comp.os.msdos.desqview. DISCUSSION TO DATE: Discussion of this newsgroup proposal has not been exactly overwhelming. The only discussion I've seen has been a suggestion that the newsgroup be named "comp.os.msdos.geos", because the "pc" in "comp.os.msdos.pcgeos" was seen as being redundant. The only other comments I've received have been requests for information about subscription to the pcgeos mailing. If you'd like to subscribe, send a request to [email protected]. From [email protected] Sat Apr 4 02:59:01 1992 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:1803 news.groups:38753 comp.windows.ms:24611 comp.windows.misc:2062 comp.os.msdos.apps:4936 comp.os.msdos.misc:5673 comp.os.misc:1629 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:22251 comp.os.msdos.programmer:12897 comp.windows.ms.programmer:9045 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.ms,comp.windows.misc,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.os.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.os.msdos.programmer,comp.windows.ms.programmer Path: rpi!bounce-back From: [email protected] Subject: CFV: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1992 06:42:08 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 80 This is a call for votes on the creation of an unmoderated newsgroup titled "comp.os.msdos.pcgeos". The proposal for this newsgroup has been under discussion since January 6 1992, and nearly all comments have been favorable. A number of people suggested that the "pc" part of the proposed newsgroup name was redundant in the context of "comp.os.msdos", but since the product name is "PC/GEOS" and not simply "GEOS", the proposed name stands. In fact, there are no changes from the original proposal. HOW TO VOTE: ------------ To vote YES, send e-mail to "[email protected]" with a message to the effect that "I vote yes on comp.os.msdos.pcgeos". To vote NO, send e-mail to "[email protected]" with a message to the effect that "I vote no on comp.os.msdos.pcgeos". The traditional rules apply about multiple votes from one address. (The latest received vote is the on that counts.) If you have questions about or want to cancel your vote, you can send mail to "[email protected]". Actual votes mailed to that address will not be counted. VOTING PERIOD: -------------- The voting period will commence whenever this is posted by the moderator of news.announce.newgroups, and will cease at 11:59 UTC, 10 March 1992. WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON: ---------------------- NAME: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos CHARTER: To discuss and share information about: - GeoWorks PC/GEOS and PC/GEOS-based products, including but not limited to Ensemble, Pro, Personal Office System, and the PC/GEOS software development kit. - Other software that operates within the PC/GEOS environment. - Hardware/software compatibilities and incompatibilities pertaining to PC/GEOS. - Software development for the PC/GEOS environment. STATUS: Unmoderated RATIONALE: PC/GEOS is an award-winning graphical environment for MSDOS-based personal computers. It's origins are in the Berkeley SoftWorks (now called GeoWorks) GEOS products for Apple and Commodore computers. PC/GEOS provides a Motif-like window environment and a true multitasking multithreaded kernel. Unlike Microsoft Windows, PC/GEOS will run on as little as 512KB of memory, 3MB of disk space, MSDOS 2.0, a Hercules video adapter, and an 8088 processor. PC/GEOS fills a substantial niche by providing a windowing environment for those MSDOS-based computers which have limited capacity or performance (such as PC/XT's and low-end laptops, notebooks, and PC/AT's) that have been abandoned by the resource demands of Microsoft Windows and OS/2. The GeoWorks Ensemble product integrates a set of productivity with the PC/GEOS operating environment. In the GeoWorks Pro product, Borland's Quattro SE product is also integrated into the PC/GEOS environment. The Personal Office System products are specific productivity tools. Release of a software development kit is expected in 1992. From [email protected] Sat Apr 4 03:12:09 1992 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:1839 news.groups:39480 comp.windows.ms:25592 comp.windows.misc:2111 comp.os.msdos.apps:5166 comp.os.msdos.misc:5908 comp.os.misc:1643 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:22879 comp.os.msdos.programmer:13354 comp.windows.ms.programmer:9431 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.ms,comp.windows.misc,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.os.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.os.msdos.programmer,comp.windows.ms.programmer Path: rpi!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Brian Smithson) Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1992 23:58:41 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 210 This is a second call for votes (and acknowledgement of votes to date) for the creation of an unmoderated newsgroup titled "comp.os.msdos.pcgeos". The first call for votes was posted on February 10, 1992. This second call for votes is being posted a bit early because a number of people have reported that they did not see the first CFV at their sites. HOW TO VOTE: ------------ To vote YES, send e-mail to "[email protected]" with a message to the effect that "I vote yes on comp.os.msdos.pcgeos". To vote NO, send e-mail to "[email protected]" with a message to the effect that "I vote no on comp.os.msdos.pcgeos". The traditional rules apply about multiple votes from one address. If you have questions about or want to cancel your vote, you can send mail to "[email protected]". Actual votes mailed to that address will not be counted. VOTING PERIOD: -------------- The voting period commenced on February 10 and will cease on March 10. WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON: ---------------------- NAME: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos CHARTER: To discuss and share information about: - GeoWorks PC/GEOS and PC/GEOS-based products, including but not limited to Ensemble, Pro, Personal Office System, and the PC/GEOS software development kit. - Other software that operates within the PC/GEOS environment. - Hardware/software compatibilities and incompatibilities pertaining to PC/GEOS. - Software development for the PC/GEOS environment. STATUS: Unmoderated RATIONALE: PC/GEOS is an award-winning graphical environment for MSDOS-based personal computers. It's origins are in the Berkeley SoftWorks (now called GeoWorks) GEOS products for Apple and Commodore computers. PC/GEOS provides a Motif-like window environment and a true multitasking multithreaded kernel. Unlike Microsoft Windows, PC/GEOS will run on as little as 512KB of memory, 3MB of disk space, MSDOS 2.0, a Hercules video adapter, and an 8088 processor. PC/GEOS fills a substantial niche by providing a windowing environment for those MSDOS-based computers which have limited capacity or performance (such as PC/XT's and low-end laptops, notebooks, and PC/AT's) that have been abandoned by the resource demands of Microsoft Windows and OS/2. The GeoWorks Ensemble product integrates a set of productivity with the PC/GEOS operating environment. In the GeoWorks Pro product, Borland's Quattro SE product is also integrated into the PC/GEOS environment. The Personal Office System products are specific productivity tools. Release of a software development kit is expected in 1992. MASS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF VOTES RECEIVED -------------------------------------- As of Wed Feb 19 13:44:20 PST 1992, votes have been received from the following people: [email protected] (Ed Grether) [email protected] [email protected] (Brian Dawson) [email protected] (DONNA ROSTETTER -- 537-2803) [email protected] (David (D.) Villeneuve) FAJD%[email protected] ("Jim Drosen") [email protected] ("Julius C. Chang") [email protected] (John R. Burns - Sun Sacramento SE) [email protected] ("Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!") [email protected] [email protected] (JAMESON) [email protected] ("tom mckibben 2 ") [email protected] ("TODD M. CARROZZI") [email protected] (ZABOROWSKY BENJAMIN R) [email protected] (Adam M Gaffin) [email protected] (Anant Kartik Mithal) [email protected] (Andrew Potter) [email protected] (Arne Henrik Juul) [email protected] (Fred A. Dickey) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Thin Layer Of Pond Scum) [email protected] (Avi Schwartz) [email protected] ((Brian J. Catlin)) [email protected] (Burgess Howell) [email protected] (Robert Becker) [email protected] (Robert Bowdidge) [email protected] (Brian Smithson) [email protected] (Chris Hawley) [email protected] (Christian Puscasiu) [email protected] (David Loftesness) [email protected] (Jeremy Dashe) [email protected] (Jeff Peterson) [email protected] (gunawan herri) [email protected] (L L Campbell) [email protected] (Charlie Stross) [email protected] (Carsten Clasohm) [email protected] (Chris O'Neill) [email protected] [email protected] (Conan the Barbarian) [email protected] ("Charles Y. Choi") [email protected] (Louis Chan) [email protected] (Another Postmaster) [email protected] (Dale Newton) [email protected] (David Lee) [email protected] (David Lukas) [email protected] ("Doug Carlson") [email protected] (Darryl Sladden) [email protected] (Douglas A Taylor) dussud%[email protected] (Patrick Dussud) [email protected] (David T Yu) [email protected] (Brian McCullough) [email protected] (Ed McGuire) [email protected] (Edward Vielmetti) [email protected] (James Hague) [email protected] (Tom Fuhrman) [email protected] (Calvin Wang) [email protected] (Dwight Galster) [email protected] (Geoff Ghose) [email protected] (Ben Combee) [email protected] (Dan Hartley) [email protected] (Helge Hauglin) [email protected] (Hauke Hess) [email protected] (Hans-Rudolf Hidber) [email protected] (Bill Jaeger) [email protected] [email protected] (John C. Lusth) [email protected] (John D. Zitterkopf) [email protected] (John Wiley) [email protected] (John D. Mitchell) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Jack W. Wine ) kim%[email protected] [email protected] (Quincey Koziol) [email protected] [email protected] (Alastair Light) [email protected] (Frank Loeffler) [email protected] (Jonas B Forssell) [email protected] [email protected] (Mark Hertel) [email protected] (Stephen Midgley) [email protected] () [email protected] (Massimo Monfreda) motcsd!apple!bbs.rn.com!tyg (Tim Bobay) motcsd!starnet!sun!sdf.LoneStar.ORG!srl (Steve Linebarger) [email protected] (William Moxley) [email protected] (Michael R Linksvayer) [email protected] (Kevin Murphey 5-4277) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Gary Parker (253-7211)) [email protected] (J.O.C. Computer Consulting Inc.) [email protected] (Paul Gittings) [email protected] (Phil Franklin) [email protected] (Po Shan Cheah) [email protected] (Peter Hoffman) [email protected] (Peter Lerten) [email protected] (Roger Vanderveen) [email protected] (Richard H. Miller) [email protected] (Rik Fleuren) [email protected] (Robert Meunier 514-652-8516) [email protected] (Jim Roche) [email protected] [email protected] (Scott Alexander) [email protected] (Martin Schweikert) [email protected] (Tom Limoncelli) [email protected] (Tony Shan) [email protected] [email protected] (Chris Simison) [email protected] (Shiraz Kanga) [email protected] (Sean M Burke) [email protected] ("Scott Preston") [email protected] (Yao) [email protected] (Tim Dunn) [email protected] ("Todd L. Masco") [email protected] (Foster Schucker) [email protected] (Real life? Ha!) [email protected] [email protected] (Victoria Bush) [email protected] (David Hsu) [email protected] (Jake Rose) [email protected] (Joseph Gil) -- -Brian Smithson Motorola Inc., Computer Group, Commercial Systems Division 2001 Logic Drive, M/S 1-E10, San Jose, CA 95124 USA, (408)369-4104 [email protected], {apple | pyramid}!motcsd!brian From [email protected] Sat Apr 4 03:26:25 1992 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:1915 news.groups:40841 comp.windows.ms:26977 comp.os.msdos.apps:5464 comp.os.msdos.misc:6287 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:23805 comp.os.msdos.programmer:14013 comp.windows.ms.programmer:10014 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.ms,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.os.msdos.programmer,comp.windows.ms.programmer Path: rpi!think.com!yale.edu!jvnc.net!darwin.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Brian Smithson) Subject: RESULT: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos passes 161: 20 Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: UUNET Communications Services Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1992 16:41:41 GMT Approved: [email protected] Here are the voting results on the creation of an unmoderated newsgroup titled "comp.os.msdos.pcgeos". Voting commenced on 2/10/92 and concluded on 3/10/92. Yes: 161 votes No: 20 votes The proposal passes. The newsgroup will be created soon. Thank you to all who participated in the vote. Here are the details: YES VOTES RECEIVED: ------------------ "Charles Y. Choi""Doug Carlson" "Eugene E. Nesterenko" "Jim Drosen" "Julius C. Chang" "Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" "Michael Hermann." "Nathan C. Bush" "Scott Preston" "TODD M. CARROZZI" "pSyCHocAnDy aDdiCT" "tom mckibben 2 " (Brian J. Catlin) BJ Parks [email protected] Bill Jaeger [email protected] (Brian Dawson) [email protected] Calvin Wang Carsten Clasohm Charles S. F. Wen Charlie Stross Costin RIZAN DONNA ROSTETTER -- 537-2803 DONNA ROSTETTER -- 537-2803 Dan Ozeran Daniel A. Nielsen Dar Darryl Sladden David (D.) Villeneuve David Lee David T Yu Douglas A Taylor Dwight Galster Ed Grether <[email protected]> Eric P. Hunt Hans-Rudolf Hidber J.O.C. Computer Consulting Inc. JAMESON JONES DANIEL ROBERT Jack W. Wine [email protected] (John R. Burns - Sun Sacramento SE) Joseph Gil Justin Clark L L Campbell Louis Chan Massimo Monfreda Matthew Dustin Morgan Michael B. Williams Michael R Linksvayer Peter Hoffman Po Shan Cheah Rik Fleuren SPRD1080%[email protected] [email protected] SSgt Greg Streetman SWELTON%[email protected] Scott Alexander Sean M Burke Thin Layer Of Pond Scum Tim Dunn Tony Shan Victoria Bush ZABOROWSKY BENJAMIN R [email protected] ( SNEERINGER) [email protected] (Adam M Gaffin) [email protected] (Russell Schulz) [email protected] (Andrew Potter) [email protected] (Stephanie da Silva) [email protected] (Fred A. Dickey) [email protected] [email protected] (David O'Donnell) [email protected] (Avi Schwartz) [email protected] (Burgess Howell) [email protected] (J.D.Scogin) [email protected] (Robert Becker) [email protected] (Robert Bowdidge) [email protected] (Brian Smithson) [email protected] (Chris Hawley) [email protected] (Christian Puscasiu) [email protected] (David Loftesness) [email protected] (Jeremy Dashe) [email protected] (Jeff Peterson) [email protected] [email protected] (gunawan herri) [email protected] (Calvin Bolwerk) [email protected] (The Ancient Mariner) [email protected] [email protected] (Chris O'Neill) [email protected] (Paul Pavlinovich) [email protected] (Conan the Barbarian) [email protected] (Dave Morris) [email protected] (Another Postmaster) [email protected] (Dale Farnsworth) [email protected] (Dale Newton) [email protected] (David Lukas) dussud%[email protected] (Patrick Dussud) [email protected] (Brian McCullough) [email protected] (Brian McCullough) [email protected] (Edward Vielmetti) [email protected] (James Hague) [email protected] (Tom Fuhrman) [email protected] (Geoff Ghose) [email protected] (Ben Combee) [email protected] [email protected] (Dan Hartley) [email protected] (Hauke Hess) [email protected] (Chuck) [email protected] (Charles) [email protected] [email protected] (John C. Lusth) [email protected] (John D. Zitterkopf) [email protected] (John Wiley) [email protected] (John D. Mitchell) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Kris Caputa) kim%[email protected] [email protected] (Jerry Krupnick) [email protected] (Rune Stromsness) [email protected] [email protected] (Alastair Light) [email protected] (Frank Loeffler) [email protected] (Jonas B Forssell) [email protected] [email protected] (Mark Hertel) [email protected] (Mark Hertel) [email protected] (Stephen Midgley) [email protected] () motcsd!apple!bbs.rn.com!tyg (Tim Bobay) motcsd!apple!ub-gate.UB.com!flakes!flake (Christopher Flake) motcsd!infoserv!uunet!polari!murphy (joe murphy) motcsd!starnet!sun!sdf.LoneStar.ORG!srl (Steve Linebarger) [email protected] (William Moxley) [email protected] (Kevin Murphey 5-4277) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Gary Parker (253-7211)) [email protected] (Phil Franklin) [email protected] (Mark Ng) [email protected] (Peter Lerten) [email protected] [email protected] (Roger Vanderveen) [email protected] (Richard H. Miller) [email protected] (Robert Meunier 514-652-8516) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Martin Schweikert) [email protected] [email protected] (Chris Simison) [email protected] (Shiraz Kanga) [email protected] (Shay Sunderland) [email protected] (Yao) [email protected] [email protected] (Foster Schucker) [email protected] (Real life? Ha!) [email protected] (Herman Yan) [email protected] (David Hsu) [email protected] (Jake Rose) NO VOTES RECEIVED: ----------------- "Maxime Taksar" "Todd L. Masco" Anant Kartik Mithal Arne Henrik Juul David Wright Helge Hauglin Jim Roche Roland Kaltefleiter Stephen Trier Sven Heinicke Tom Limoncelli [email protected] [email protected] (Christopher Ward) [email protected] (Ed McGuire) [email protected] (Christoph M. Friedrich) [email protected] (Quincey Koziol) [email protected] (mehta) [email protected] (Paul Gittings) [email protected] [email protected] -- -Brian Smithson Motorola Inc., Computer Group, Commercial Systems Division 2001 Logic Drive, M/S 1-E10, San Jose, CA 95124 USA, (408)369-4104 [email protected], {apple | pyramid}!motcsd!brian From [email protected] Tue Sep 12 10:42:22 1995 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:1709 news.groups:36887 comp.windows.ms:22378 comp.os.msdos.apps:4422 comp.os.msdos.misc:5100 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:20656 comp.os.msdos.programmer:11626 comp.windows.ms.programmer:8054 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.ms,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.os.msdos.programmer,comp.windows.ms.programmer Path: rpi!bounce-back From: [email protected] Subject: RFD: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Date: 6 Jan 92 07:24:58 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 107 Status: RO X-Status: This is a request for discussion of a proposed unmoderated newsgroup titled "comp.os.msdos.pcgeos". Please note that this is *not* a call for votes. After one month's discussion period, a call for votes will be issued. Please make sure that your discussion is directed to news.groups. PROPOSED NAME: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos PROPOSED CHARTER: To discuss and share information about: - GeoWorks PC/GEOS and PC/GEOS-based products, including but not limited to Ensemble, Pro, Personal Office System, and the PC/GEOS software development kit. - Other software that operates within the PC/GEOS environment. - Hardware/software compatibilities and incompatibilities pertaining to PC/GEOS. - Software development for the PC/GEOS environment. PROPOSED STATUS: Unmoderated RATIONALE: Subject ------- PC/GEOS is an award-winning graphical environment for MSDOS-based personal computers. It's origins are in the Berkeley SoftWorks (now called GeoWorks) GEOS products for Apple and Commodore computers. PC/GEOS provides a Motif-like window environment and a true multitasking multithreaded kernel. Unlike Microsoft Windows, PC/GEOS will run on as little as 512KB of memory, 3MB of disk space, MSDOS 2.0, a Hercules video adapter, and an 8088 processor. PC/GEOS fills a substantial niche by providing a windowing environment for those MSDOS-based computers which have limited capacity or performance (such as PC/XT's and low-end laptops, notebooks, and PC/AT's) that have been abandoned by the resource demands of Microsoft Windows and OS/2. The GeoWorks Ensemble product integrates a set of productivity with the PC/GEOS operating environment. In the GeoWorks Pro product, Borland's Quattro SE product is also integrated into the PC/GEOS environment. The Personal Office System products are specific productivity tools. Release of a software development kit is expected in 1992. Interest -------- In December of 1991, a mailing list was created for discussion of the GeoWorks Ensemble product. In only one month of operation, the list has grown to include over 90 subscribers from 10 countries. Newsgroup name -------------- Several names have been considered. They are discussed below, along with a recommendation. *.geoworks: Too vendor-specific. The charter includes discussion of software produced by individuals and companies outside of the GeoWorks company. *.geos: Could be confused with the Apple and/or Commodore GEOS products. The charter limits discussion to the PC/GEOS environment. *.ensemble: Too product-specific. The charter includes discussion of other GeoWorks products (such as Pro) and non-GeoWorks products. *.pcgeos: This is proposed as the best choice. It adequately describes the intended environment, does not preclude new product package names from GeoWorks, and does not disclude non-GeoWorks products (any more than "*.msdos.*" discludes non-Microsoft products). Location in the newsgroup hierarchy ----------------------------------- Several locations have been considered. They are discussed below, along with a recommendation. comp.windows.pcgeos: This is consistent with comp.windows.ms and comp.windows.ms.programmer. However, PC/GEOS is more than a window system, and the proposed charter of the newsgroup includes discussion of the kernel and applications in addition to the window system itself. comp.os.pcgeos: Even though PC/GEOS requires MSDOS underneath, it acts more like a complete operating system than an operating environment on top of MSDOS. Nonetheless, all of the other comp.os.* groups are standalone operating systems, and so PC/GEOS should probably not be located at this level. comp.os.msdos.pcgeos: This is proposed as the best choice. It is consistent with the existing newsgroup comp.os.msdos.desqview. From [email protected] Tue Sep 12 10:42:52 1995 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:1740 news.groups:37269 comp.windows.ms:22799 comp.os.msdos.apps:4525 comp.os.msdos.misc:5265 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:20998 comp.os.msdos.programmer:11956 comp.windows.ms.programmer:8286 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.ms,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.os.msdos.programmer,comp.windows.ms.programmer Path: rpi!bounce-back From: [email protected] Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Date: 14 Jan 92 16:05:23 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 120 Status: RO X-Status: This is a second request for discussion of a proposed unmoderated newsgroup titled "comp.os.msdos.pcgeos". The first request was posted on Jan. 6, 1992. Please note that this is *not* a call for votes. After one month's discussion period (from the first CFD posting), a call for votes will be issued. Please make sure that your discussion is directed to news.groups. PROPOSED NAME: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos PROPOSED CHARTER: To discuss and share information about: - GeoWorks PC/GEOS and PC/GEOS-based products, including but not limited to Ensemble, Pro, Personal Office System, and the PC/GEOS software development kit. - Other software that operates within the PC/GEOS environment. - Hardware/software compatibilities and incompatibilities pertaining to PC/GEOS. - Software development for the PC/GEOS environment. PROPOSED STATUS: Unmoderated RATIONALE: Subject ------- PC/GEOS is an award-winning graphical environment for MSDOS-based personal computers. It's origins are in the Berkeley SoftWorks (now called GeoWorks) GEOS products for Apple and Commodore computers. PC/GEOS provides a Motif-like window environment and a true multitasking multithreaded kernel. Unlike Microsoft Windows, PC/GEOS will run on as little as 512KB of memory, 3MB of disk space, MSDOS 2.0, a Hercules video adapter, and an 8088 processor. PC/GEOS fills a substantial niche by providing a windowing environment for those MSDOS-based computers which have limited capacity or performance (such as PC/XT's and low-end laptops, notebooks, and PC/AT's) that have been abandoned by the resource demands of Microsoft Windows and OS/2. The GeoWorks Ensemble product integrates a set of productivity with the PC/GEOS operating environment. In the GeoWorks Pro product, Borland's Quattro SE product is also integrated into the PC/GEOS environment. The Personal Office System products are specific productivity tools. Release of a software development kit is expected in 1992. Interest -------- In December of 1991, a mailing list was created for discussion of the GeoWorks Ensemble product. In only one month of operation, the list has grown to include over 90 subscribers from 10 countries. Newsgroup name -------------- Several names have been considered. They are discussed below, along with a recommendation. *.geoworks: Too vendor-specific. The charter includes discussion of software produced by individuals and companies outside of the GeoWorks company. *.geos: Could be confused with the Apple and/or Commodore GEOS products. The charter limits discussion to the PC/GEOS environment. *.ensemble: Too product-specific. The charter includes discussion of other GeoWorks products (such as Pro) and non-GeoWorks products. *.pcgeos: This is proposed as the best choice. It adequately describes the intended environment, does not preclude new product package names from GeoWorks, and does not disclude non-GeoWorks products (any more than "*.msdos.*" discludes non-Microsoft products). Location in the newsgroup hierarchy ----------------------------------- Several locations have been considered. They are discussed below, along with a recommendation. comp.windows.pcgeos: This is consistent with comp.windows.ms and comp.windows.ms.programmer. However, PC/GEOS is more than a window system, and the proposed charter of the newsgroup includes discussion of the kernel and applications in addition to the window system itself. comp.os.pcgeos: Even though PC/GEOS requires MSDOS underneath, it acts more like a complete operating system than an operating environment on top of MSDOS. Nonetheless, all of the other comp.os.* groups are standalone operating systems, and so PC/GEOS should probably not be located at this level. comp.os.msdos.pcgeos: This is proposed as the best choice. It is consistent with the existing newsgroup comp.os.msdos.desqview. DISCUSSION TO DATE: Discussion of this newsgroup proposal has not been exactly overwhelming. The only discussion I've seen has been a suggestion that the newsgroup be named "comp.os.msdos.geos", because the "pc" in "comp.os.msdos.pcgeos" was seen as being redundant. The only other comments I've received have been requests for information about subscription to the pcgeos mailing. If you'd like to subscribe, send a request to [email protected]. From [email protected] Tue Sep 12 10:44:05 1995 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:1803 news.groups:38753 comp.windows.ms:24611 comp.windows.misc:2062 comp.os.msdos.apps:4936 comp.os.msdos.misc:5673 comp.os.misc:1629 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:22251 comp.os.msdos.programmer:12897 comp.windows.ms.programmer:9045 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.ms,comp.windows.misc,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.os.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.os.msdos.programmer,comp.windows.ms.programmer Path: rpi!bounce-back From: [email protected] Subject: CFV: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1992 06:42:08 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 80 Status: RO X-Status: This is a call for votes on the creation of an unmoderated newsgroup titled "comp.os.msdos.pcgeos". The proposal for this newsgroup has been under discussion since January 6 1992, and nearly all comments have been favorable. A number of people suggested that the "pc" part of the proposed newsgroup name was redundant in the context of "comp.os.msdos", but since the product name is "PC/GEOS" and not simply "GEOS", the proposed name stands. In fact, there are no changes from the original proposal. HOW TO VOTE: ------------ To vote YES, send e-mail to "[email protected]" with a message to the effect that "I vote yes on comp.os.msdos.pcgeos". To vote NO, send e-mail to "[email protected]" with a message to the effect that "I vote no on comp.os.msdos.pcgeos". The traditional rules apply about multiple votes from one address. (The latest received vote is the on that counts.) If you have questions about or want to cancel your vote, you can send mail to "[email protected]". Actual votes mailed to that address will not be counted. VOTING PERIOD: -------------- The voting period will commence whenever this is posted by the moderator of news.announce.newgroups, and will cease at 11:59 UTC, 10 March 1992. WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON: ---------------------- NAME: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos CHARTER: To discuss and share information about: - GeoWorks PC/GEOS and PC/GEOS-based products, including but not limited to Ensemble, Pro, Personal Office System, and the PC/GEOS software development kit. - Other software that operates within the PC/GEOS environment. - Hardware/software compatibilities and incompatibilities pertaining to PC/GEOS. - Software development for the PC/GEOS environment. STATUS: Unmoderated RATIONALE: PC/GEOS is an award-winning graphical environment for MSDOS-based personal computers. It's origins are in the Berkeley SoftWorks (now called GeoWorks) GEOS products for Apple and Commodore computers. PC/GEOS provides a Motif-like window environment and a true multitasking multithreaded kernel. Unlike Microsoft Windows, PC/GEOS will run on as little as 512KB of memory, 3MB of disk space, MSDOS 2.0, a Hercules video adapter, and an 8088 processor. PC/GEOS fills a substantial niche by providing a windowing environment for those MSDOS-based computers which have limited capacity or performance (such as PC/XT's and low-end laptops, notebooks, and PC/AT's) that have been abandoned by the resource demands of Microsoft Windows and OS/2. The GeoWorks Ensemble product integrates a set of productivity with the PC/GEOS operating environment. In the GeoWorks Pro product, Borland's Quattro SE product is also integrated into the PC/GEOS environment. The Personal Office System products are specific productivity tools. Release of a software development kit is expected in 1992. From [email protected] Tue Sep 12 10:45:19 1995 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:1839 news.groups:39480 comp.windows.ms:25592 comp.windows.misc:2111 comp.os.msdos.apps:5166 comp.os.msdos.misc:5908 comp.os.misc:1643 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:22879 comp.os.msdos.programmer:13354 comp.windows.ms.programmer:9431 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.ms,comp.windows.misc,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.os.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.os.msdos.programmer,comp.windows.ms.programmer Path: rpi!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Brian Smithson) Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1992 23:58:41 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 210 Status: RO X-Status: This is a second call for votes (and acknowledgement of votes to date) for the creation of an unmoderated newsgroup titled "comp.os.msdos.pcgeos". The first call for votes was posted on February 10, 1992. This second call for votes is being posted a bit early because a number of people have reported that they did not see the first CFV at their sites. HOW TO VOTE: ------------ To vote YES, send e-mail to "[email protected]" with a message to the effect that "I vote yes on comp.os.msdos.pcgeos". To vote NO, send e-mail to "[email protected]" with a message to the effect that "I vote no on comp.os.msdos.pcgeos". The traditional rules apply about multiple votes from one address. If you have questions about or want to cancel your vote, you can send mail to "[email protected]". Actual votes mailed to that address will not be counted. VOTING PERIOD: -------------- The voting period commenced on February 10 and will cease on March 10. WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON: ---------------------- NAME: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos CHARTER: To discuss and share information about: - GeoWorks PC/GEOS and PC/GEOS-based products, including but not limited to Ensemble, Pro, Personal Office System, and the PC/GEOS software development kit. - Other software that operates within the PC/GEOS environment. - Hardware/software compatibilities and incompatibilities pertaining to PC/GEOS. - Software development for the PC/GEOS environment. STATUS: Unmoderated RATIONALE: PC/GEOS is an award-winning graphical environment for MSDOS-based personal computers. It's origins are in the Berkeley SoftWorks (now called GeoWorks) GEOS products for Apple and Commodore computers. PC/GEOS provides a Motif-like window environment and a true multitasking multithreaded kernel. Unlike Microsoft Windows, PC/GEOS will run on as little as 512KB of memory, 3MB of disk space, MSDOS 2.0, a Hercules video adapter, and an 8088 processor. PC/GEOS fills a substantial niche by providing a windowing environment for those MSDOS-based computers which have limited capacity or performance (such as PC/XT's and low-end laptops, notebooks, and PC/AT's) that have been abandoned by the resource demands of Microsoft Windows and OS/2. The GeoWorks Ensemble product integrates a set of productivity with the PC/GEOS operating environment. In the GeoWorks Pro product, Borland's Quattro SE product is also integrated into the PC/GEOS environment. The Personal Office System products are specific productivity tools. Release of a software development kit is expected in 1992. MASS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF VOTES RECEIVED -------------------------------------- As of Wed Feb 19 13:44:20 PST 1992, votes have been received from the following people: [email protected] (Ed Grether) [email protected] [email protected] (Brian Dawson) [email protected] (DONNA ROSTETTER -- 537-2803) [email protected] (David (D.) Villeneuve) FAJD%[email protected] ("Jim Drosen") [email protected] ("Julius C. Chang") [email protected] (John R. Burns - Sun Sacramento SE) [email protected] ("Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!") [email protected] [email protected] (JAMESON) [email protected] ("tom mckibben 2 ") [email protected] ("TODD M. CARROZZI") [email protected] (ZABOROWSKY BENJAMIN R) [email protected] (Adam M Gaffin) [email protected] (Anant Kartik Mithal) [email protected] (Andrew Potter) [email protected] (Arne Henrik Juul) [email protected] (Fred A. Dickey) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Thin Layer Of Pond Scum) [email protected] (Avi Schwartz) [email protected] ((Brian J. Catlin)) [email protected] (Burgess Howell) [email protected] (Robert Becker) [email protected] (Robert Bowdidge) [email protected] (Brian Smithson) [email protected] (Chris Hawley) [email protected] (Christian Puscasiu) [email protected] (David Loftesness) [email protected] (Jeremy Dashe) [email protected] (Jeff Peterson) [email protected] (gunawan herri) [email protected] (L L Campbell) [email protected] (Charlie Stross) [email protected] (Carsten Clasohm) [email protected] (Chris O'Neill) [email protected] [email protected] (Conan the Barbarian) [email protected] ("Charles Y. Choi") [email protected] (Louis Chan) [email protected] (Another Postmaster) [email protected] (Dale Newton) [email protected] (David Lee) [email protected] (David Lukas) [email protected] ("Doug Carlson") [email protected] (Darryl Sladden) [email protected] (Douglas A Taylor) dussud%[email protected] (Patrick Dussud) [email protected] (David T Yu) [email protected] (Brian McCullough) [email protected] (Ed McGuire) [email protected] (Edward Vielmetti) [email protected] (James Hague) [email protected] (Tom Fuhrman) [email protected] (Calvin Wang) [email protected] (Dwight Galster) [email protected] (Geoff Ghose) [email protected] (Ben Combee) [email protected] (Dan Hartley) [email protected] (Helge Hauglin) [email protected] (Hauke Hess) [email protected] (Hans-Rudolf Hidber) [email protected] (Bill Jaeger) [email protected] [email protected] (John C. Lusth) [email protected] (John D. Zitterkopf) [email protected] (John Wiley) [email protected] (John D. Mitchell) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Jack W. Wine ) kim%[email protected] [email protected] (Quincey Koziol) [email protected] [email protected] (Alastair Light) [email protected] (Frank Loeffler) [email protected] (Jonas B Forssell) [email protected] [email protected] (Mark Hertel) [email protected] (Stephen Midgley) [email protected] () [email protected] (Massimo Monfreda) motcsd!apple!bbs.rn.com!tyg (Tim Bobay) motcsd!starnet!sun!sdf.LoneStar.ORG!srl (Steve Linebarger) [email protected] (William Moxley) [email protected] (Michael R Linksvayer) [email protected] (Kevin Murphey 5-4277) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Gary Parker (253-7211)) [email protected] (J.O.C. Computer Consulting Inc.) [email protected] (Paul Gittings) [email protected] (Phil Franklin) [email protected] (Po Shan Cheah) [email protected] (Peter Hoffman) [email protected] (Peter Lerten) [email protected] (Roger Vanderveen) [email protected] (Richard H. Miller) [email protected] (Rik Fleuren) [email protected] (Robert Meunier 514-652-8516) [email protected] (Jim Roche) [email protected] [email protected] (Scott Alexander) [email protected] (Martin Schweikert) [email protected] (Tom Limoncelli) [email protected] (Tony Shan) [email protected] [email protected] (Chris Simison) [email protected] (Shiraz Kanga) [email protected] (Sean M Burke) [email protected] ("Scott Preston") [email protected] (Yao) [email protected] (Tim Dunn) [email protected] ("Todd L. Masco") [email protected] (Foster Schucker) [email protected] (Real life? Ha!) [email protected] [email protected] (Victoria Bush) [email protected] (David Hsu) [email protected] (Jake Rose) [email protected] (Joseph Gil) -- -Brian Smithson Motorola Inc., Computer Group, Commercial Systems Division 2001 Logic Drive, M/S 1-E10, San Jose, CA 95124 USA, (408)369-4104 [email protected], {apple | pyramid}!motcsd!brian From [email protected] Tue Sep 12 10:47:18 1995 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:1915 news.groups:40841 comp.windows.ms:26977 comp.os.msdos.apps:5464 comp.os.msdos.misc:6287 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:23805 comp.os.msdos.programmer:14013 comp.windows.ms.programmer:10014 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.ms,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.os.msdos.programmer,comp.windows.ms.programmer Path: rpi!think.com!yale.edu!jvnc.net!darwin.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Brian Smithson) Subject: RESULT: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos passes 161: 20 Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: UUNET Communications Services Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1992 16:41:41 GMT Approved: [email protected] Status: RO X-Status: Here are the voting results on the creation of an unmoderated newsgroup titled "comp.os.msdos.pcgeos". Voting commenced on 2/10/92 and concluded on 3/10/92. Yes: 161 votes No: 20 votes The proposal passes. The newsgroup will be created soon. Thank you to all who participated in the vote. Here are the details: YES VOTES RECEIVED: ------------------ "Charles Y. Choi" "Doug Carlson" "Eugene E. Nesterenko" "Jim Drosen" "Julius C. Chang" "Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" "Michael Hermann." "Nathan C. Bush" "Scott Preston" "TODD M. CARROZZI" "pSyCHocAnDy aDdiCT" "tom mckibben 2 " (Brian J. Catlin) BJ Parks [email protected] Bill Jaeger [email protected] (Brian Dawson) [email protected] Calvin Wang Carsten Clasohm Charles S. F. Wen Charlie Stross Costin RIZAN DONNA ROSTETTER -- 537-2803 DONNA ROSTETTER -- 537-2803 Dan Ozeran Daniel A. Nielsen Dar Darryl Sladden David (D.) Villeneuve David Lee David T Yu Douglas A Taylor Dwight Galster Ed Grether <[email protected]> Eric P. Hunt Hans-Rudolf Hidber J.O.C. Computer Consulting Inc. JAMESON JONES DANIEL ROBERT Jack W. Wine [email protected] (John R. Burns - Sun Sacramento SE) Joseph Gil Justin Clark L L Campbell Louis Chan Massimo Monfreda Matthew Dustin Morgan Michael B. Williams Michael R Linksvayer Peter Hoffman Po Shan Cheah Rik Fleuren SPRD1080%[email protected] [email protected] SSgt Greg Streetman SWELTON%[email protected] Scott Alexander Sean M Burke Thin Layer Of Pond Scum Tim Dunn Tony Shan Victoria Bush ZABOROWSKY BENJAMIN R [email protected] ( SNEERINGER) [email protected] (Adam M Gaffin) [email protected] (Russell Schulz) [email protected] (Andrew Potter) [email protected] (Stephanie da Silva) [email protected] (Fred A. Dickey) [email protected] [email protected] (David O'Donnell) [email protected] (Avi Schwartz) [email protected] (Burgess Howell) [email protected] (J.D.Scogin) [email protected] (Robert Becker) [email protected] (Robert Bowdidge) [email protected] (Brian Smithson) [email protected] (Chris Hawley) [email protected] (Christian Puscasiu) [email protected] (David Loftesness) [email protected] (Jeremy Dashe) [email protected] (Jeff Peterson) [email protected] [email protected] (gunawan herri) [email protected] (Calvin Bolwerk) [email protected] (The Ancient Mariner) [email protected] [email protected] (Chris O'Neill) [email protected] (Paul Pavlinovich) [email protected] (Conan the Barbarian) [email protected] (Dave Morris) [email protected] (Another Postmaster) [email protected] (Dale Farnsworth) [email protected] (Dale Newton) [email protected] (David Lukas) dussud%[email protected] (Patrick Dussud) [email protected] (Brian McCullough) [email protected] (Brian McCullough) [email protected] (Edward Vielmetti) [email protected] (James Hague) [email protected] (Tom Fuhrman) [email protected] (Geoff Ghose) [email protected] (Ben Combee) [email protected] [email protected] (Dan Hartley) [email protected] (Hauke Hess) [email protected] (Chuck) [email protected] (Charles) [email protected] [email protected] (John C. Lusth) [email protected] (John D. Zitterkopf) [email protected] (John Wiley) [email protected] (John D. Mitchell) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Kris Caputa) kim%[email protected] [email protected] (Jerry Krupnick) [email protected] (Rune Stromsness) [email protected] [email protected] (Alastair Light) [email protected] (Frank Loeffler) [email protected] (Jonas B Forssell) [email protected] [email protected] (Mark Hertel) [email protected] (Mark Hertel) [email protected] (Stephen Midgley) [email protected] () motcsd!apple!bbs.rn.com!tyg (Tim Bobay) motcsd!apple!ub-gate.UB.com!flakes!flake (Christopher Flake) motcsd!infoserv!uunet!polari!murphy (joe murphy) motcsd!starnet!sun!sdf.LoneStar.ORG!srl (Steve Linebarger) [email protected] (William Moxley) [email protected] (Kevin Murphey 5-4277) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Gary Parker (253-7211)) [email protected] (Phil Franklin) [email protected] (Mark Ng) [email protected] (Peter Lerten) [email protected] [email protected] (Roger Vanderveen) [email protected] (Richard H. Miller) [email protected] (Robert Meunier 514-652-8516) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Martin Schweikert) [email protected] [email protected] (Chris Simison) [email protected] (Shiraz Kanga) [email protected] (Shay Sunderland) [email protected] (Yao) [email protected] [email protected] (Foster Schucker) [email protected] (Real life? Ha!) [email protected] (Herman Yan) [email protected] (David Hsu) [email protected] (Jake Rose) NO VOTES RECEIVED: ----------------- "Maxime Taksar" "Todd L. Masco" Anant Kartik Mithal Arne Henrik Juul David Wright Helge Hauglin Jim Roche Roland Kaltefleiter Stephen Trier Sven Heinicke Tom Limoncelli [email protected] [email protected] (Christopher Ward) [email protected] (Ed McGuire) [email protected] (Christoph M. Friedrich) [email protected] (Quincey Koziol) [email protected] (mehta) [email protected] (Paul Gittings) [email protected] [email protected] -- -Brian Smithson Motorola Inc., Computer Group, Commercial Systems Division 2001 Logic Drive, M/S 1-E10, San Jose, CA 95124 USA, (408)369-4104 [email protected], {apple | pyramid}!motcsd!brian