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From [email protected] Wed Jan 20 18:15:04 1999 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Kaimbridge M. GoldChildNewsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.engr.surveying,sci.engr.civil,sci.geo.geology,sci.geo.satellite-nav,sci.astro,alt.sci.planetary,alt.surveyor,comp.programming,sci.space.science Subject: RFD: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <[email protected]> Approved: [email protected] Archive-Name: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:03:03 GMT Lines: 71 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10829 news.groups:303904 sci.engr.surveying:12386 sci.engr.civil:31118 sci.geo.geology:58311 sci.geo.satellite-nav:70806 sci.astro:198320 comp.programming:65840 sci.space.science:18196 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group sci.math.applied.geo-planetary This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup sci.math.applied.geo-planetary. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. Newsgroup line: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary For the discussion of geographical math. RATIONALE: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Given the current and future plans in planetary surveying and exploration (Mars, Jupiter, etc.), there is likely to be more and more reoccurring questions dealing with the mathematics of such operations, including more efficient methods of elliptic integration (including standard and customized approximations suitable for ellipticities significantly greater than Earth's), the increasing presence of "antipodal events", recursive vs. non-recursive methods, elliptic planetary data and such recurrent questions as "how do you calculate the circumference of an ellipse?". As it is now, such questions and topics are scattered among sci.math, sci.geo.satellite-nav, sci.engr.surveying and the various sci.astro and comp groups. CHARTER: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary An unmoderated, non-binary, NO-SPAM newsgroup for questions and discussions on concepts and formulation of geographical math topics, encompassing areas of geodesy/surveying (particularly the classical inverse and direct problems: "How do you calculate the distance between two points on a sphere? Spheroid?"), mapping, navigation and other related geophysical disciplines dealing with Earth AND other planetary bodies (including moons, stars, asteroids, comets, etc.). It is not intended as a group for product information or inquiries; however, pertinent computer programming questions are welcome. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD is being posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, sci.engr.surveying, alt.surveyor, sci.engr.civil, sci.geo.geology, sci.space.science, alt.sci.planetary, sci.geo.satellite-nav, sci.astro, comp.programming Proponent: Kaimbridge M. GoldChild From [email protected] Thu Mar 4 16:16:49 1999 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Jim Davis Reply-To: [email protected] Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.sci.planetary,alt.surveyor,comp.programming,sci.astro,sci.engr.civil,sci.engr.surveying,sci.geo.geology,sci.geo.satellite-nav,sci.space.science Subject: CFV: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <[email protected]> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (counting votes so you don't have to) Approved: [email protected] Expires: 27 Mar 1999 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 00:03:32 GMT Lines: 101 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10911 news.groups:306838 comp.programming:68552 sci.astro:202801 sci.engr.civil:31828 sci.engr.surveying:13722 sci.geo.geology:60250 sci.geo.satellite-nav:76046 sci.space.science:18721 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Newsgroups line: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Geographical math concepts and formulation. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 26 Mar 1999. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Kaimbridge M. GoldChild Votetaker: Jim Davis RATIONALE: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Given the current and future plans in planetary surveying and exploration (Mars, Jupiter, etc.), there is likely to be more and more reoccurring questions dealing with the mathematics of such operations, including more efficient methods of elliptic integration (including standard and customized approximations suitable for ellipticities significantly greater than Earth's), the increasing presence of "antipodal events", recursive vs. non-recursive methods, elliptic planetary data and such recurrent questions as "how do you calculate the circumference of an ellipse?". As it is now, such questions and topics are scattered among sci.math, sci.geo.satellite-nav, sci.engr.surveying and the various sci.astro and comp groups. CHARTER: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary An unmoderated, non-binary, NO-SPAM newsgroup for questions and discussions on concepts and formulation of geographical math topics, encompassing areas of geodesy/surveying (particularly the classical inverse and direct problems: "How do you calculate the distance between two points on a sphere? Spheroid?"), mapping, navigation and other related geophysical disciplines dealing with Earth AND other planetary bodies (including moons, stars, asteroids, comets, etc.). It is not intended as a group for product information or inquiries; however, pertinent computer programming questions are welcome. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE: Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after the "-=-=-=-" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. And please don't send the entire CFV back! Mark the ballot and then mail it to: [email protected] Examples of how to properly indicate your vote: [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ CANCEL ] example.cancellation -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Ballot (Don't remove this marker) Give your real name here: Your Vote Newsgroup ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [ ] sci.math.applied.geo-planetary -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One vote per person, one account per voter. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Jun 10 1997). PQ datestamp: 980322 -- Jim Davis | "Plaaay NICE!!" [email protected] | -- Bubbles From [email protected] Sun Mar 14 15:45:33 1999 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Jim Davis Reply-To: [email protected] Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.sci.planetary,alt.surveyor,comp.programming,sci.astro,sci.engr.civil,sci.engr.surveying,sci.geo.geology,sci.geo.satellite-nav,sci.space.science Subject: 2nd CFV: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <[email protected]> Supersedes: <[email protected]> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (counting votes so you don't have to) Approved: [email protected] Expires: 27 Mar 1999 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:39:41 GMT Lines: 105 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10924 news.groups:307718 comp.programming:69140 sci.astro:203679 sci.engr.civil:32007 sci.engr.surveying:13956 sci.geo.geology:60545 sci.geo.satellite-nav:77150 sci.space.science:18798 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Newsgroups line: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Geographical math concepts and formulation. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 26 Mar 1999. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Kaimbridge M. GoldChild Votetaker: Jim Davis RATIONALE: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Given the current and future plans in planetary surveying and exploration (Mars, Jupiter, etc.), there is likely to be more and more reoccurring questions dealing with the mathematics of such operations, including more efficient methods of elliptic integration (including standard and customized approximations suitable for ellipticities significantly greater than Earth's), the increasing presence of "antipodal events", recursive vs. non-recursive methods, elliptic planetary data and such recurrent questions as "how do you calculate the circumference of an ellipse?". As it is now, such questions and topics are scattered among sci.math, sci.geo.satellite-nav, sci.engr.surveying and the various sci.astro and comp groups. CHARTER: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary An unmoderated, non-binary, NO-SPAM newsgroup for questions and discussions on concepts and formulation of geographical math topics, encompassing areas of geodesy/surveying (particularly the classical inverse and direct problems: "How do you calculate the distance between two points on a sphere? Spheroid?"), mapping, navigation and other related geophysical disciplines dealing with Earth AND other planetary bodies (including moons, stars, asteroids, comets, etc.). It is not intended as a group for product information or inquiries; however, pertinent computer programming questions are welcome. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE: Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after the "-=-=-=-" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. And please don't send the entire CFV back! Mark the ballot and then mail it to: [email protected] Examples of how to properly indicate your vote: [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ CANCEL ] example.cancellation -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Ballot (Don't remove this marker) Give your real name here: Your Vote Newsgroup ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [ ] sci.math.applied.geo-planetary -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One vote per person, one account per voter. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Jun 10 1997). PQ datestamp: 980322 sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Bounce List - No need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] Jules Dubois [email protected] Christopher Robin Zimmerman -- Jim Davis | "Plaaay NICE!!" [email protected] | -- Bubbles From [email protected] Fri Mar 26 16:45:18 1999 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Jim Davis Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.sci.planetary,alt.surveyor,comp.programming,sci.astro,sci.engr.civil,sci.engr.surveying,sci.geo.geology,sci.geo.satellite-nav,sci.space.science Subject: RESULT: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary fails 48:13 Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <[email protected]> Supersedes: <[email protected]> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (counting votes so you don't have to) Approved: [email protected] Archive-Name: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:44:33 GMT Lines: 138 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10959 news.groups:310345 comp.programming:69941 sci.astro:204967 sci.engr.civil:32202 sci.engr.surveying:14145 sci.geo.geology:61197 sci.geo.satellite-nav:78282 sci.space.science:18919 RESULT unmoderated group sci.math.applied.geo-planetary fails 48:13 There were 48 YES votes and 13 NO votes, for a total of 61 valid votes. There were 2 abstains and 1 invalid ballot. For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group may not be voted on again for six months. Newsgroups line: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Geographical math concepts and formulation. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Kaimbridge M. GoldChild Votetaker: Jim Davis RATIONALE: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Given the current and future plans in planetary surveying and exploration (Mars, Jupiter, etc.), there is likely to be more and more reoccurring questions dealing with the mathematics of such operations, including more efficient methods of elliptic integration (including standard and customized approximations suitable for ellipticities significantly greater than Earth's), the increasing presence of "antipodal events", recursive vs. non-recursive methods, elliptic planetary data and such recurrent questions as "how do you calculate the circumference of an ellipse?". As it is now, such questions and topics are scattered among sci.math, sci.geo.satellite-nav, sci.engr.surveying and the various sci.astro and comp groups. CHARTER: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary An unmoderated, non-binary, NO-SPAM newsgroup for questions and discussions on concepts and formulation of geographical math topics, encompassing areas of geodesy/surveying (particularly the classical inverse and direct problems: "How do you calculate the distance between two points on a sphere? Spheroid?"), mapping, navigation and other related geophysical disciplines dealing with Earth AND other planetary bodies (including moons, stars, asteroids, comets, etc.). It is not intended as a group for product information or inquiries; however, pertinent computer programming questions are welcome. END CHARTER. sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Final Vote Ack Email addresses are posted only to help verify the results. Do not use these email addresses as a mailing list! Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ boud<>rempt.xs4all.nl Boudewijn Rempt burningb<>burningbridges.com Hiram A. Berry celticwiccan<>hotmail.com Peter Byron dbandfc<>ihug.co.nz David Brown deanl<>bigfoot.com Dean Lonning dfrost<>maths.tcd.ie Dermot Frost douglas+usenet<>fang.demon.co.uk Douglas Brebner Ekkehard.Uthke<>gmx.de Ekkehard Uthke ellis<>ftel.net Rick Ellis Eric.L.Winter.1<>gsfc.nasa.gov Eric Winter gherbert<>crl.com George Herbert hboswell<>netdoor.com Harry Boswell hfung<>CSUPomona.Edu Hank Fung ian<>kulin.com.au Ian bailey jcherepy<>mindspring.com Bill jcs<>zoo.bt.co.uk John C Sager jrobbins<>ziplink.net John Robbins julesd<>erols.not-a-hostname.com Jules Dubois kaimbridge<>my-dejanews.com Kaimbridge M. GoldChild kc6rol<>amsat.org Will Marchant kmsmith<>snet.net Keith M Smith kzim.com!chris<>ncal.verio.com Christopher Robin Zimmerman lverhulst<>nmff.nwu.edu leane verhulst maynard<>interaccess.com Maynard Riley moellering<>mail.fwi.com Chris & Leslie Moellering nigellaw<>net.ntl.com Nigel Law odanoffr<>club-internet.fr Olivier DANOFFRE ordred<>trash.wt.net Bryan Williams pboyles<>nr.infi.net Peter Boyles pebyrd<>ionet.net Phillip Byrd Peter-Lawrence.Montgomery<>cwi.nl Peter L. Montgomery phlbck<>wco.com Phil Bickford pierfrancesco<>softhome.net Pierfrancesco Di Giovanni pierre.cao<>ib.be [email protected] roses<>cape.com D.S. Klimm rufinus<>mbe.ece.wisc.edu J Rufinus rwhately<>silcom.com Ron samhende<>ufl.edu Sam Henderson stamper<>stamper.com Chris Stamper swormley<>habenero.cnde.iastate.edu Samuel J Wormley thogard<>abnormal.com Tim Hogard tjm2326<>UTARLG.UTA.EDU Tim McGaha tobin<>sji.org Tobin Fricke toomanykims<>geocities.com Davd Kim uy205<>victoria.tc.ca Roy A. Fletcher WmHBlair<>verio.com William H. Blair xanthian<>well.com Kent Paul Dolan zinn<>ix.netcom.com Noel Zinn Voted No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ alexis<>aa.net Alexis Manning bob<>flaminio.com Bob Flaminio chriseb<>nortelnetworks.com Chris Ebenezer david<>farrar.com David Farrar ferret<>enteract.com Karl Meyer gprrspw<>mindspring.com G.P. Ryan jeb27<>hermes.cam.ac.uk James Broughton kopetsbj<>cs.purdue.edu Brett J. Kopetsky naddy<>mips.rhein-neckar.de Christian Weisgerber olav<>viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar rick<>bcm.tmc.edu Richard Miller stainles<>bga.com Dwight Brown vote8<>kholdan.snafu.de tobias erle Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ merlin<>A470.demon.co.uk Darren Wyn Rees sforsell<>aol.com Scott Forsell Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ nrm<>tusc.com.au Nigel McFarlane ! Conflicting votes on the same ballot -- Jim Davis | "Plaaay NICE!!" [email protected] | -- Bubbles