From [email protected] Mon Aug 24 11:04:39 1992
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From: [email protected] (Ian Rogers)
Subject: RFD: comp.lang.pop
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Summary: darn sight better than Lisp :)
Keywords: AI programming
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This is a request for discussion on a new group 'comp.lang.pop'.

The group would serve for discussions on the programming language Pop11, and
related environments and libraries.

Relevant topics, in this group, would cover all aspects of Pop11 programming
(from novice questions to expert efficiency issues) and the current BSI
standards effort (Pop9x).

Also relevant would be conversations about the Poplog programming environment
and its libraries. Eg.

    OOP in Pop11 Flavours, or objectclass etc.
    X windows hacking in Pop11
    Mixed language programming (eg. between Lisp/Pop11/Prolog/ML/C etc.) that
    is supported in Poplog but isn't relevant for discussion in other, pure
    language, groups
    Techniques for Artificial Intelligence programming (it is an AI language
    after all :)

and so on.

These sorts of discussions have so far been supported by a mailing list. But
the list is now far too unwieldy (>400 members). Universities are a constant
hassle for the mailing list, with students leaving and joining all the time. A
news group would serve these people much better.

Bandwidth is quite low.

The group would be gatewayed, at Univ. of Sussex, onto the mailing list for
the industrial members with no internet access.

We seem to have done things backwards. We have a user group (Plug), an archive
server, conferences and a standards effort, but no news group. I hope to
rectify this :-)
-- 
             Ian Rogers - Research Fellow type dogsbody person :)
     School of Cognitive Science, Sussex University, Falmer, Brighton, UK
             "Deep in the fundamental heart of mind and Universe,"
           said Slartibartfast, "there is a reason" - Douglas Adams

From [email protected] Thu Sep 24 18:20:28 1992
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From: [email protected] (Ian Rogers)
Subject: CFV: comp.lang.pop
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Summary: darn sight better than Lisp :)
Keywords: AI programming
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This is a Call For Votes on a new group 'comp.lang.pop' (unmoderated).

The RFD was posted on August 24. There has been support in both news.groups
and the popforum mailing list.

The only discussion has been about the name. comp.lang.pop has been
retained (as opposed to c.l.pop11 or c.l.poplog) as this gives the group a
more general coverage.

The only change to the group description has been to extend it to cover
"Pop11 like" languages (the full charter is included below).

In accordance with guidelines, votes should be unambiguous and should only
address this single issue. Two separate aliases have been set up for the vote
taking process.

        YES votes should be of the form:

To: [email protected]
Subject: I vote YES to comp.lang.pop

        NO votes should be of the form:

To: [email protected]
Subject: I vote NO to comp.lang.pop

Voting is now open and will finish at 12 midnight (GMT), Saturday 24th October

Ian Rogers
Plug Treasurer


---- comp.lang.pop Charter ----------------------------------------------

The group would serve for discussions on the programming language Pop11, and
related environments, libraries, languages and the Plug User Group.

Relevant topics, in this group, would cover all aspects of Pop11 programming
(from novice questions to expert efficiency issues) and the current BSI
standards effort (Pop9x), and how it relates to other languages of this type
(e.g. GLOW, Pepper).

Also relevant would be conversations about the Poplog programming environment
and its libraries. Eg.

    OOP in Pop11 Flavours, or objectclass etc. and how they relate to other
        OOP languages (C++, CLOS etc.)
    X windows hacking in Pop11
    Mixed language programming (eg. between Lisp/Pop11/Prolog/ML/C etc.) that
        is supported in Poplog but isn't relevant for discussion in other,
        pure language, groups
    Techniques for Artificial Intelligence programming (it is an AI language
        after all :)

and so on.

The group would be gatewayed, at Univ. of Sussex, onto the mailing list for
the industrial members with no internet access.
-- 
             Ian Rogers - Research Fellow type dogsbody person :)
     School of Cognitive Science, Sussex University, Falmer, Brighton, UK
             "Deep in the fundamental heart of mind and Universe,"
           said Slartibartfast, "there is a reason" - Douglas Adams

From [email protected] Tue Oct 13 12:51:06 1992
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From: [email protected] (Ian Rogers)
Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.lang.pop
Keywords: AI programming
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This is the 2nd Call For Votes on a new group 'comp.lang.pop' (unmoderated).

The RFD was posted on August 24. The 1st CVF was posted on September 24th.

Voting is still open and ends at 12 midnight (GMT), Saturday 24th October

In accordance with guidelines, votes should be unambiguous and should only
address this single issue. Two separate aliases have been set up for the vote
taking process.

        YES votes should be of the form:

To: [email protected]
Subject: I vote yes to comp.lang.pop

        NO votes should be of the form:

To: [email protected]
Subject: I vote no to comp.lang.pop


---- comp.lang.pop Charter ----------------------------------------------

The group would serve for discussions on the programming language Pop11, and
related environments, libraries, languages and the Plug User Group.

Relevant topics, in this group, would cover all aspects of Pop11 programming
(from novice questions to expert efficiency issues) and the current BSI
standards effort (Pop9x), and how it relates to other languages of this type
(e.g. GLOW, Pepper).

Also relevant would be conversations about the Poplog programming environment
and its libraries. Eg.

    OOP in Pop11 Flavours, or objectclass etc. and how they relate to other
        OOP languages (C++, CLOS etc.)
    X windows hacking in Pop11 and the Poplog widget set.
    Mixed language programming (eg. between Lisp/Pop11/Prolog/ML/C etc.) that
        is supported in Poplog but isn't relevant for discussion in other,
        pure language, groups
    Techniques for Artificial Intelligence programming (it is an AI language
        after all :)

and so on.

The group would be gatewayed, at Univ. of Sussex, onto the mailing list for
the industrial members with no internet access.


--- Vote Acknowledgement ----------------------------------------------

Thank you to those who have taken an interest so far:

    Andy Holyer 
    Chris Thornton 
    Giancarlo Succi 
    Richard Dallaway 
    Simon Nichols 
    "Angela.Gilham" 
    "Dom Fox, Civ Eng Research, x 2404" 
    "Eric J. Olson" 
    "Helen Clinch, Cranfield Computer Centre" 
    "Koen De Bosschere (32)91/64.34.06" 
    "T. Kurt Bond, Adminisoft, Inc. 304/472-9520" 
    (Ted Rofe) "A.Rofe" 
    Aaron Sloman 
    Admin 
    Adrian Howard 
    Alan Montgomery 
    Alistair Law 
    Andreas Schoter 
    Andrew Casson 
    Ben Rabau 
    Bernhard Rumpe 
    Bill Kinnersley 
    Calum Gordon 
    Ceri Hopkins 
    Chris Brew 
    Chris Dollin 
    Clark Morton 
    Colin Shearer 
    David Allport 
    David Beasley 
    David S Young 
    Edmund Shing 
    Giancarlo Succi 
    Ian Rogers 
    J C Flack 
    James Goodlet 
    Jiashu Wu 
    Jim Ault 
    Jocelyn Paine 
    John Gibson 
    John Williams 
    Jonas Wallgren 
    Jonathan Meyer 
    Julian Clinton 
    Karen Osborne 
    Kevin Busby 
    Kieran Turner 
    Luc Beaudoin 
    MATTHEW WELLS 
    Martin Merry 
    Mike Beech 
    Mike Burton 
    N D Silver 
    Patrick Goldsack 
    Patsie Hughes 
    Paul Vickers 
    Richard Caley 
    Richard Kirby 
    Rob Zanconato 
    Robert.Smith%[email protected]
    Roger Evans 
    Roger Sinnhuber 
    Roly Lishman 
    Samuel J Eaton 
    Stefek Zaba 
    Steve Knight 
    Steve Pitchers 
    Tim Read 
    Tom Khabaza 
    [email protected]
    [email protected] (Anthony Worrall)
    [email protected] (Austin G. Hastings)
    [email protected] (Brent W. Benson)
    [email protected]
    [email protected] (Claude Huss)
    [email protected]
    [email protected] (David Kuder)
    [email protected]
    [email protected] (Scot Dyer)
    [email protected] (Ed McGuire)
    [email protected]
    [email protected] (Adam Farquhar)
    [email protected] (James Anderson)
    [email protected]
    [email protected]
    [email protected] (Jonathan Cunningham)
    [email protected] (Jonathan Rowe)
    [email protected]
    kave eshghi 
    [email protected] (Kim DeVaughn)
    [email protected] (Kevin Mooney)
    [email protected] (Kevin Richards [METOFF])
    [email protected] (Michel Lemoine)
    [email protected] (Mark Linimon)
    [email protected]
    [email protected] (Pat McManus)
    [email protected]
    [email protected] (Michael Lazarou)
    [email protected] ("Educated bags" Neilski)
    [email protected]
    [email protected] (Piers Beckley)
    pop 
    [email protected] (Ray Dunn)
    richar[email protected]
    [email protected] (Roger Opperman)
    [email protected] (ruman)
    [email protected] (Ruvan Weerasinghe)
    [email protected] (Scott Barman)
    [email protected] (Scott Wheeler)
    [email protected]
    [email protected] (Steve Rogers)
    [email protected] (Stu Labovitz)
    [email protected] (Thomas E NIELSEN)
    [email protected] (Tim F O'Donoghue)
    [email protected] (Teun Hendriks)

From [email protected] Wed Nov  4 10:19:56 1992
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From: [email protected] (Ian Rogers)
Subject: RESULT: comp.lang.pop passes 174:17
Keywords: AI programming
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The proposal for the unmoderated group comp.lang.pop has passed 176:17

The following names were taken from the "From:" field of the vote message.

No votes 17:
------------

"Eric J. Olson" 
E S Atwell 
[email protected]
Jacques Noye 
Jim Ault 
Jon Lin 
[email protected] (Austin G. Hastings)
[email protected] (James Barrett)
[email protected] (Claude Huss)
d9bertil 
[email protected] (David W. Summers)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Kim DeVaughn)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Roger Opperman)
[email protected] (Scott Barman)
[email protected] (Steve Rogers)

Yes votes 174:
--------------

"A.J.Kightley - Silly hat wearer & Proud" 
"Angela.Gilham" 
"Dom Fox, Civ Eng Research, x 2404" 
"Helen Clinch, Cranfield Computer Centre" 
"Koen De Bosschere (32)91/64.34.06" 
"T. Kurt Bond, Adminisoft, Inc. 304/472-9520" 
(Ted Rofe) "A.Rofe" 
Aaron Sloman 
Admin 
Adrian Howard 
Ajay Gupta 
Alan Montgomery 
Alistair Law 
Andreas Schoter 
Andrew Casson 
Andy Holyer 
Andy Norman 
Andy Wood -- British Antarctic Survey 
Arif Abidi [email protected]
Bei Yu - CADC RA on CADC CONFIG project 
Ben Rabau 
Bernhard Rumpe 
Bill Kinnersley 
Bruce Leigh 
Calum Gordon 
Caroline Knight 
Ceri Hopkins 
Chris Brew 
Chris Dollin 
Chris Jobling 
Chris Preist 
Chris Thornton 
Claire Budden 
Clark Morton 
Colin Shearer 
D L O'Brian 
Dave Stevenson 
David Allport 
David Beasley 
David Hobley 
David S Young 
Dermot McIntyre 
Dr. A.H.B.Duffy - CADC Staff 
Edmund Shing 
Gary Polhill 
Giancarlo Succi 
Gihan P Seneviratne 
Gordon Watson 
Graham Higgins 
Ian Craw 
Ian Rogers 
J C Flack 
J M Lake 
James Goodlet 
Jiashu Wu 
Jocelyn Paine 
John Gibson 
John Postoyko 
John Williams 
Jonas Wallgren 
Jonathan Meyer 
Jordan Henderson 
Julian Clinton 
[email protected]
Karen Osborne 
Kevin Busby 
Kieran Turner 
Leila Burrell-Davis 
Linda Montgomery 
Lord Yak Da Hairy 
Luc Beaudoin 
MATTHEW WELLS 
MSC B 
MSc C 
MSc D 
Mark Foster 
Martin Merry 
Martin Shiels 
Mike Beech 
Mike Burton 
Munib A Qutaishat 
N B Idris 
N D Silver 
Nicholas A Ross 
Patrick Goldsack 
Patsie Hughes 
Paul Eccleson 
Paul Vickers 
Pauline Jones 
Peter Hickman 
Peter Williams 
Petya Anguelova Nestorova 
Phillip Allen 
Prof. K.J.MacCallum - CADC Director 
Richard Caley 
Richard Dallaway 
Richard Hull 
Richard Kirby 
Rob Duncan <[email protected]>
Rob Simpson 
Rob Zanconato 
Robert John Duncan 
Robert.Smith%[email protected]
Roger Evans 
Roger Sinnhuber 
Roly Lishman 
Rudi Lutz 
Sam Munro 
Samuel Hutton 
Samuel J Eaton 
Simon Nichols 
Stefek Zaba 
Steve Knight 
Steve Lang 
Steve Pitchers 
Thomas Young 
Tim Read 
Tom Khabaza 
Tor Houghton 
Wolfe 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Anthony Worrall)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Bernhard Damberger)
[email protected] (Brent W. Benson)
[email protected] (Calvin)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Chris Dyer)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (David Kuder)
[email protected] (David J Dawkins)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Scot Dyer)
[email protected] (Ed McGuire)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Adam Farquhar)
[email protected] (Geoff Sullivan)
[email protected] (Ivan Fris)
[email protected] (James Anderson)
[email protected] (J. Wu x2085)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Jonathan Cunningham)
[email protected] (Jonathan Rowe)
kave eshghi 
[email protected] (Kevin Mooney)
[email protected] (Kevin Richards [METOFF])
[email protected] (Michel Lemoine)
[email protected] (Mark Linimon)
[email protected] (Yuen Lin)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Pat McManus)
[email protected] (Michael Lazarou)
[email protected] ("Educated bags" Neilski)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Piers Beckley)
pop 
[email protected] (Ray Dunn)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Ryszard Boryna)
[email protected]
[email protected] (ruman)
[email protected] (Ruvan Weerasinghe)
[email protected] (Scott Wheeler)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Simon Leinen)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Stu Labovitz)
[email protected] (Thomas E NIELSEN)
[email protected] (Tim F O'Donoghue)
[email protected] (Teun Hendriks)
[email protected]

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