From [email protected] Mon Aug 24 11:04:39 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2641 news.groups:55722 comp.ai:13320 comp.lang.lisp:7840 comp.lang.prolog:5954 comp.object:7714 comp.windows.x:57476 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.ai,comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.prolog,comp.object,comp.windows.x Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ian Rogers) Subject: RFD: comp.lang.pop Message-ID:Followup-To: news.groups Summary: darn sight better than Lisp :) Keywords: AI programming Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: University of Sussex at Brighton Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 14:15:43 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 40 This is a request for discussion on a new group 'comp.lang.pop'. The group would serve for discussions on the programming language Pop11, and related environments and libraries. Relevant topics, in this group, would cover all aspects of Pop11 programming (from novice questions to expert efficiency issues) and the current BSI standards effort (Pop9x). Also relevant would be conversations about the Poplog programming environment and its libraries. Eg. OOP in Pop11 Flavours, or objectclass etc. X windows hacking in Pop11 Mixed language programming (eg. between Lisp/Pop11/Prolog/ML/C etc.) that is supported in Poplog but isn't relevant for discussion in other, pure language, groups Techniques for Artificial Intelligence programming (it is an AI language after all :) and so on. These sorts of discussions have so far been supported by a mailing list. But the list is now far too unwieldy (>400 members). Universities are a constant hassle for the mailing list, with students leaving and joining all the time. A news group would serve these people much better. Bandwidth is quite low. The group would be gatewayed, at Univ. of Sussex, onto the mailing list for the industrial members with no internet access. We seem to have done things backwards. We have a user group (Plug), an archive server, conferences and a standards effort, but no news group. I hope to rectify this :-) -- Ian Rogers - Research Fellow type dogsbody person :) School of Cognitive Science, Sussex University, Falmer, Brighton, UK "Deep in the fundamental heart of mind and Universe," said Slartibartfast, "there is a reason" - Douglas Adams From [email protected] Thu Sep 24 18:20:28 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2761 news.groups:56914 comp.ai:13713 comp.lang.lisp:8077 comp.lang.prolog:6128 comp.object:8088 comp.windows.x:58982 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.ai,comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.prolog,comp.object,comp.windows.x Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ian Rogers) Subject: CFV: comp.lang.pop Message-ID: Followup-To: news.groups Summary: darn sight better than Lisp :) Keywords: AI programming Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: University of Sussex at Brighton Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 12:24:05 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 63 This is a Call For Votes on a new group 'comp.lang.pop' (unmoderated). The RFD was posted on August 24. There has been support in both news.groups and the popforum mailing list. The only discussion has been about the name. comp.lang.pop has been retained (as opposed to c.l.pop11 or c.l.poplog) as this gives the group a more general coverage. The only change to the group description has been to extend it to cover "Pop11 like" languages (the full charter is included below). In accordance with guidelines, votes should be unambiguous and should only address this single issue. Two separate aliases have been set up for the vote taking process. YES votes should be of the form: To: [email protected] Subject: I vote YES to comp.lang.pop NO votes should be of the form: To: [email protected] Subject: I vote NO to comp.lang.pop Voting is now open and will finish at 12 midnight (GMT), Saturday 24th October Ian Rogers Plug Treasurer ---- comp.lang.pop Charter ---------------------------------------------- The group would serve for discussions on the programming language Pop11, and related environments, libraries, languages and the Plug User Group. Relevant topics, in this group, would cover all aspects of Pop11 programming (from novice questions to expert efficiency issues) and the current BSI standards effort (Pop9x), and how it relates to other languages of this type (e.g. GLOW, Pepper). Also relevant would be conversations about the Poplog programming environment and its libraries. Eg. OOP in Pop11 Flavours, or objectclass etc. and how they relate to other OOP languages (C++, CLOS etc.) X windows hacking in Pop11 Mixed language programming (eg. between Lisp/Pop11/Prolog/ML/C etc.) that is supported in Poplog but isn't relevant for discussion in other, pure language, groups Techniques for Artificial Intelligence programming (it is an AI language after all :) and so on. The group would be gatewayed, at Univ. of Sussex, onto the mailing list for the industrial members with no internet access. -- Ian Rogers - Research Fellow type dogsbody person :) School of Cognitive Science, Sussex University, Falmer, Brighton, UK "Deep in the fundamental heart of mind and Universe," said Slartibartfast, "there is a reason" - Douglas Adams From [email protected] Tue Oct 13 12:51:06 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2825 news.groups:57750 comp.ai:14040 comp.lang.lisp:8210 comp.lang.prolog:6248 comp.object:8347 comp.windows.x:59728 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.ai,comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.prolog,comp.object,comp.windows.x Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ian Rogers) Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.lang.pop Keywords: AI programming Followup-To: poster Approved: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: University of Sussex at Brighton Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:41:18 GMT Message-ID: Lines: 168 This is the 2nd Call For Votes on a new group 'comp.lang.pop' (unmoderated). The RFD was posted on August 24. The 1st CVF was posted on September 24th. Voting is still open and ends at 12 midnight (GMT), Saturday 24th October In accordance with guidelines, votes should be unambiguous and should only address this single issue. Two separate aliases have been set up for the vote taking process. YES votes should be of the form: To: [email protected] Subject: I vote yes to comp.lang.pop NO votes should be of the form: To: [email protected] Subject: I vote no to comp.lang.pop ---- comp.lang.pop Charter ---------------------------------------------- The group would serve for discussions on the programming language Pop11, and related environments, libraries, languages and the Plug User Group. Relevant topics, in this group, would cover all aspects of Pop11 programming (from novice questions to expert efficiency issues) and the current BSI standards effort (Pop9x), and how it relates to other languages of this type (e.g. GLOW, Pepper). Also relevant would be conversations about the Poplog programming environment and its libraries. Eg. OOP in Pop11 Flavours, or objectclass etc. and how they relate to other OOP languages (C++, CLOS etc.) X windows hacking in Pop11 and the Poplog widget set. Mixed language programming (eg. between Lisp/Pop11/Prolog/ML/C etc.) that is supported in Poplog but isn't relevant for discussion in other, pure language, groups Techniques for Artificial Intelligence programming (it is an AI language after all :) and so on. The group would be gatewayed, at Univ. of Sussex, onto the mailing list for the industrial members with no internet access. --- Vote Acknowledgement ---------------------------------------------- Thank you to those who have taken an interest so far: Andy Holyer Chris Thornton Giancarlo Succi Richard Dallaway Simon Nichols "Angela.Gilham" "Dom Fox, Civ Eng Research, x 2404" "Eric J. Olson" "Helen Clinch, Cranfield Computer Centre" "Koen De Bosschere (32)91/64.34.06" "T. Kurt Bond, Adminisoft, Inc. 304/472-9520" (Ted Rofe) "A.Rofe" Aaron Sloman Admin Adrian Howard Alan Montgomery Alistair Law Andreas Schoter Andrew Casson Ben Rabau Bernhard Rumpe Bill Kinnersley Calum Gordon Ceri Hopkins Chris Brew Chris Dollin Clark Morton Colin Shearer David Allport David Beasley David S Young Edmund Shing Giancarlo Succi Ian Rogers J C Flack James Goodlet Jiashu Wu Jim Ault Jocelyn Paine John Gibson John Williams Jonas Wallgren Jonathan Meyer Julian Clinton Karen Osborne Kevin Busby Kieran Turner Luc Beaudoin MATTHEW WELLS Martin Merry Mike Beech Mike Burton N D Silver Patrick Goldsack Patsie Hughes Paul Vickers Richard Caley Richard Kirby Rob Zanconato Robert.Smith%[email protected] Roger Evans Roger Sinnhuber Roly Lishman Samuel J Eaton Stefek Zaba Steve Knight Steve Pitchers Tim Read Tom Khabaza [email protected] [email protected] (Anthony Worrall) [email protected] (Austin G. Hastings) [email protected] (Brent W. Benson) [email protected] [email protected] (Claude Huss) [email protected] [email protected] (David Kuder) [email protected] [email protected] (Scot Dyer) [email protected] (Ed McGuire) [email protected] [email protected] (Adam Farquhar) [email protected] (James Anderson) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Jonathan Cunningham) [email protected] (Jonathan Rowe) [email protected] kave eshghi [email protected] (Kim DeVaughn) [email protected] (Kevin Mooney) [email protected] (Kevin Richards [METOFF]) [email protected] (Michel Lemoine) [email protected] (Mark Linimon) [email protected] [email protected] (Pat McManus) [email protected] [email protected] (Michael Lazarou) [email protected] ("Educated bags" Neilski) [email protected] [email protected] (Piers Beckley) pop [email protected] (Ray Dunn) [email protected] [email protected] (Roger Opperman) [email protected] (ruman) [email protected] (Ruvan Weerasinghe) [email protected] (Scott Barman) [email protected] (Scott Wheeler) [email protected] [email protected] (Steve Rogers) [email protected] (Stu Labovitz) [email protected] (Thomas E NIELSEN) [email protected] (Tim F O'Donoghue) [email protected] (Teun Hendriks) From [email protected] Wed Nov 4 10:19:56 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2899 news.groups:58833 comp.ai:14300 comp.lang.lisp:8364 comp.lang.prolog:6401 comp.object:8531 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.ai,comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.prolog,comp.object Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ian Rogers) Subject: RESULT: comp.lang.pop passes 174:17 Keywords: AI programming Followup-To: news.groups Approved: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: University of Sussex at Brighton Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 13:49:19 GMT Message-ID: Lines: 202 The proposal for the unmoderated group comp.lang.pop has passed 176:17 The following names were taken from the "From:" field of the vote message. No votes 17: ------------ "Eric J. Olson" E S Atwell [email protected] Jacques Noye Jim Ault Jon Lin [email protected] (Austin G. Hastings) [email protected] (James Barrett) [email protected] (Claude Huss) d9bertil [email protected] (David W. Summers) [email protected] [email protected] (Kim DeVaughn) [email protected] [email protected] (Roger Opperman) [email protected] (Scott Barman) [email protected] (Steve Rogers) Yes votes 174: -------------- "A.J.Kightley - Silly hat wearer & Proud" "Angela.Gilham" "Dom Fox, Civ Eng Research, x 2404" "Helen Clinch, Cranfield Computer Centre" "Koen De Bosschere (32)91/64.34.06" "T. Kurt Bond, Adminisoft, Inc. 304/472-9520" (Ted Rofe) "A.Rofe" Aaron Sloman Admin Adrian Howard Ajay Gupta Alan Montgomery Alistair Law Andreas Schoter Andrew Casson Andy Holyer Andy Norman Andy Wood -- British Antarctic Survey Arif Abidi [email protected] Bei Yu - CADC RA on CADC CONFIG project Ben Rabau Bernhard Rumpe Bill Kinnersley Bruce Leigh Calum Gordon Caroline Knight Ceri Hopkins Chris Brew Chris Dollin Chris Jobling Chris Preist Chris Thornton Claire Budden Clark Morton Colin Shearer D L O'Brian Dave Stevenson David Allport David Beasley David Hobley David S Young Dermot McIntyre Dr. A.H.B.Duffy - CADC Staff Edmund Shing Gary Polhill Giancarlo Succi Gihan P Seneviratne Gordon Watson Graham Higgins Ian Craw Ian Rogers J C Flack J M Lake James Goodlet Jiashu Wu Jocelyn Paine John Gibson John Postoyko John Williams Jonas Wallgren Jonathan Meyer Jordan Henderson Julian Clinton [email protected] Karen Osborne Kevin Busby Kieran Turner Leila Burrell-Davis Linda Montgomery Lord Yak Da Hairy Luc Beaudoin MATTHEW WELLS MSC B MSc C MSc D Mark Foster Martin Merry Martin Shiels Mike Beech Mike Burton Munib A Qutaishat N B Idris N D Silver Nicholas A Ross Patrick Goldsack Patsie Hughes Paul Eccleson Paul Vickers Pauline Jones Peter Hickman Peter Williams Petya Anguelova Nestorova Phillip Allen Prof. K.J.MacCallum - CADC Director Richard Caley Richard Dallaway Richard Hull Richard Kirby Rob Duncan <[email protected]> Rob Simpson Rob Zanconato Robert John Duncan Robert.Smith%[email protected] Roger Evans Roger Sinnhuber Roly Lishman Rudi Lutz Sam Munro Samuel Hutton Samuel J Eaton Simon Nichols Stefek Zaba Steve Knight Steve Lang Steve Pitchers Thomas Young Tim Read Tom Khabaza Tor Houghton Wolfe [email protected] [email protected] (Anthony Worrall) [email protected] [email protected] (Bernhard Damberger) [email protected] (Brent W. Benson) [email protected] (Calvin) [email protected] [email protected] (Chris Dyer) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (David Kuder) [email protected] (David J Dawkins) [email protected] [email protected] (Scot Dyer) [email protected] (Ed McGuire) [email protected] [email protected] (Adam Farquhar) [email protected] (Geoff Sullivan) [email protected] (Ivan Fris) [email protected] (James Anderson) [email protected] (J. Wu x2085) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Jonathan Cunningham) [email protected] (Jonathan Rowe) kave eshghi [email protected] (Kevin Mooney) [email protected] (Kevin Richards [METOFF]) [email protected] (Michel Lemoine) [email protected] (Mark Linimon) [email protected] (Yuen Lin) [email protected] [email protected] (Pat McManus) [email protected] (Michael Lazarou) [email protected] ("Educated bags" Neilski) [email protected] [email protected] (Piers Beckley) pop [email protected] (Ray Dunn) [email protected] [email protected] (Ryszard Boryna) [email protected] [email protected] (ruman) [email protected] (Ruvan Weerasinghe) [email protected] (Scott Wheeler) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Simon Leinen) [email protected] [email protected] (Stu Labovitz) [email protected] (Thomas E NIELSEN) [email protected] (Tim F O'Donoghue) [email protected] (Teun Hendriks) [email protected]