From [email protected] Tue Dec 14 14:22:20 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Peter Jensen) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.mac.oop.misc Subject: RFD: comp.lang.prograph Followup-To: news.groups Date: 13 Dec 1993 14:53:32 -0500 Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts Lines: 38 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID:NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4393 news.groups:90046 comp.sys.mac.oop.misc:978 This is the first formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a new Usenet news group, comp.lang.prograph. Per the newsgroup creation guidelines, discussion of this proposal should occur in news.groups. This proposal will be discussed for two weeks, and then a second RFD will go out, incorporating suggestions gleaned from the first discussion. Granted enough support, two weeks later a CFV (Call for Votes) will be sent out, to determine whether the group shall be created. We will be using a Usenet Volunteer Votetaker for the vote count. Name: comp.lang.prograph (unmoderated) Charter: Any and all discussion about Prograph, a unique visual object-oriented dataflow programming language. What is Prograph?: Prograph is a programming language/environment that uses visual elements to describe objects and functions -- there is no textual syntax -- and it has its own interpreter and compiler. After over five years of availability on the Apple Macintosh, Prograph is moving cross-platform with versions for Windows (NT and 3.1) and several Unices currently in testing. The most recent version of Prograph, Prograph CPX, contains a cross-platform application framework class library and high-level GUI builder. Prograph will also have the ability to generate C++ code which will be compilable under gcc linked to a set of compatibility classes on a wide variety of platforms. Rationale: There is significant demand among Prograph users for an area of discussion on Usenet. Much of the discussion has taken place in comp.lang.visual and comp.sys.mac.oop.misc, and non-Prographer readers of those groups have complained about the load. With Prograph imminently becoming a cross-platform development system, the time is right for the creation of a separate comp.lang.prograph group. Please reply to this RFD with your ideas, suggestions, criticism, and support. Thanks, Peter Jensen [email protected] From [email protected] Wed Jan 12 20:21:47 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Peter Jensen) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.mac.oop.misc,comp.lang.visual Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.lang.prograph Followup-To: news.groups Date: 12 Jan 1994 18:28:37 -0500 Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts Lines: 45 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Summary: 2nd Request for Discussion for new Prograph newsgroup Keywords: RFD Prograph CPX Visual Language Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4470 news.groups:91765 comp.sys.mac.oop.misc:1160 comp.lang.visual:1571 This is the second Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a new Usenet news group, comp.lang.prograph. Per the newsgroup creation guidelines, discussion of this proposal should occur in news.groups. This proposal will be discussed for two weeks, and granted enough support, a CFV (Call for Votes) will be sent out, to determine whether the group shall be created. We will be using a Usenet Volunteer Votetaker for the vote count. Name: comp.lang.prograph (unmoderated) Charter: Any and all discussion about Prograph, a unique visual object-oriented dataflow programming language. What is Prograph?: Prograph is a complete programming language and environment that uses visual elements to describe objects and functions -- there is no textual syntax -- and it has its own interpreter and compiler. After over five years of availability on the Apple Macintosh, Prograph is moving cross-platform with versions for Windows and several Unices currently in testing. The most recent version of Prograph, Prograph CPX, contains a cross-platform application framework class library and high-level GUI builder. Prograph will also have the ability to generate C++ code which will be compilable under gcc linked to a set of compatibility classes on a wide variety of platforms. Rationale: There is significant demand among Prograph users for an area of discussion on Usenet. Much of the discussion has taken place in comp.lang.visual and comp.sys.mac.oop.misc, and non-Prographer readers of those groups have complained about the load. With Prograph imminently becoming a cross-platform development system, the time is right for the creation of a separate comp.lang.prograph group. What about Prograph Source Code?: Prograph source code should not be loaded onto the usenet system, as it tends to be large. Instead, there is a Prograph file archive maintained at ftp.iup.edu in the info-prograph directory where files can be uploaded and downloaded via anonymous ftp. For those without ftp access, an info-prograph-sources mailing list can be established. alt.sources.mac also lists Prograph code as one of its legal posting types. Please reply to this RFD with your ideas, suggestions, criticism, and/or support. Please make sure your followups go to news.groups. Thanks, Peter Jensen [email protected] From [email protected] (RonDippold) Tue Jan 25 19:25:38 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.lang.visual,comp.sys.mac.oop.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.oop.tcl,comp.programming Subject: CFV: comp.lang.prograph Followup-To: poster Date: 24 Jan 1994 22:46:32 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 71 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 16 Feb 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: References: Reply-To: [email protected] (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4522 news.groups:92954 comp.lang.visual:1613 comp.sys.mac.oop.misc:1254 comp.sys.mac.programmer:81926 comp.sys.mac.oop.tcl:2255 comp.programming:8212 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group comp.lang.prograph Newsgroups line: comp.lang.prograph Prograph, a Visual OOP Dataflow Programming Language. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 15 February 1994. After the CFV appears on news.announce.newgroups it will be posted to the Info-Prograph mailing list . This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact [email protected]. For questions about the proposed group contact Peter Jensen . CHARTER Any and all discussion about Prograph, a unique visual object-oriented dataflow programming language. What is Prograph?: Prograph is a complete programming language and environment that uses visual elements to describe objects and functions -- there is no textual syntax -- and it has its own interpreter and compiler. After over five years of availability on the Apple Macintosh, Prograph is moving cross-platform with versions for Windows and several Unices currently in testing. The most recent version of Prograph, Prograph CPX, contains a cross-platform application framework class library and high-level GUI builder. Prograph will also have the ability to generate C++ code which will be compilable under gcc linked to a set of compatibility classes on a wide variety of platforms. Rationale: There is significant demand among Prograph users for an area of discussion on Usenet. Much of the discussion has taken place in comp.lang.visual and comp.sys.mac.oop.misc, and non-Prographer readers of those groups have complained about the load. With Prograph imminently becoming a cross-platform development system, the time is right for the creation of a separate comp.lang.prograph group. What about Prograph Source Code?: Prograph source code should not be loaded onto the usenet system, as it tends to be large. Instead, there is a Prograph file archive maintained at ftp.iup.edu in the info-prograph directory where files can be uploaded and downloaded via anonymous ftp. For those without ftp access, an info-prograph-sources mailing list can be established. alt.sources.mac also lists Prograph code as one of its legal posting types. The group will be gatewayed to: Info-Prograph HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. Your mail message should contain one of the following statements: I vote YES on comp.lang.prograph I vote NO on comp.lang.prograph You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Only one vote per person and per account will be counted. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. From [email protected] (RonDippold) Fri Feb 4 16:18:10 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.lang.visual,comp.sys.mac.oop.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.oop.tcl,comp.programming Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.lang.prograph Supersedes: Followup-To: poster Date: 4 Feb 1994 16:03:09 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 81 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 16 Feb 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: References: Reply-To: [email protected] (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4573 news.groups:94275 comp.lang.visual:1635 comp.sys.mac.oop.misc:1355 comp.sys.mac.programmer:83203 comp.sys.mac.oop.tcl:2301 comp.programming:8328 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group comp.lang.prograph Newsgroups line: comp.lang.prograph Prograph, a Visual OOP Dataflow Programming Language. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 15 February 1994. After the CFV appears on news.announce.newgroups it will be posted to the Info-Prograph mailing list . This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact [email protected]. For questions about the proposed group contact Peter Jensen . CHARTER Any and all discussion about Prograph, a unique visual object-oriented dataflow programming language. What is Prograph?: Prograph is a complete programming language and environment that uses visual elements to describe objects and functions -- there is no textual syntax -- and it has its own interpreter and compiler. After over five years of availability on the Apple Macintosh, Prograph is moving cross-platform with versions for Windows and several Unices currently in testing. The most recent version of Prograph, Prograph CPX, contains a cross-platform application framework class library and high-level GUI builder. Prograph will also have the ability to generate C++ code which will be compilable under gcc linked to a set of compatibility classes on a wide variety of platforms. Rationale: There is significant demand among Prograph users for an area of discussion on Usenet. Much of the discussion has taken place in comp.lang.visual and comp.sys.mac.oop.misc, and non-Prographer readers of those groups have complained about the load. With Prograph imminently becoming a cross-platform development system, the time is right for the creation of a separate comp.lang.prograph group. What about Prograph Source Code?: Prograph source code should not be loaded onto the usenet system, as it tends to be large. Instead, there is a Prograph file archive maintained at ftp.iup.edu in the info-prograph directory where files can be uploaded and downloaded via anonymous ftp. For those without ftp access, an info-prograph-sources mailing list can be established. alt.sources.mac also lists Prograph code as one of its legal posting types. The group will be gatewayed to: Info-Prograph HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. Your mail message should contain one of the following statements: I vote YES on comp.lang.prograph I vote NO on comp.lang.prograph You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Only one vote per person and per account will be counted. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. unmoderated group comp.lang.prograph Bounce Ack List - no need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] From [email protected] (RonDippold) Wed Feb 16 17:44:29 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.lang.visual,comp.sys.mac.oop.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.oop.tcl,comp.programming Subject: RESULT: comp.lang.prograph passes 269:12 Supersedes: Followup-To: news.groups Date: 16 Feb 1994 14:36:34 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 343 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4639 news.groups:95683 comp.lang.visual:1687 comp.sys.mac.oop.misc:1458 comp.sys.mac.programmer:84476 comp.sys.mac.oop.tcl:2391 comp.programming:8495 RESULT unmoderated group comp.lang.prograph passes 269:12 There were 269 YES votes and 12 NO votes, for a total of 281 valid votes. There was 1 abstain. For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: comp.lang.prograph Prograph, a Visual OOP Dataflow Programming Language. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact [email protected]. For questions about the proposed group contact Peter Jensen . CHARTER Any and all discussion about Prograph, a unique visual object-oriented dataflow programming language. What is Prograph?: Prograph is a complete programming language and environment that uses visual elements to describe objects and functions -- there is no textual syntax -- and it has its own interpreter and compiler. After over five years of availability on the Apple Macintosh, Prograph is moving cross-platform with versions for Windows and several Unices currently in testing. The most recent version of Prograph, Prograph CPX, contains a cross-platform application framework class library and high-level GUI builder. Prograph will also have the ability to generate C++ code which will be compilable under gcc linked to a set of compatibility classes on a wide variety of platforms. What about Prograph Source Code?: Prograph source code should not be loaded onto the usenet system, as it tends to be large. Instead, there is a Prograph file archive maintained at ftp.iup.edu in the info-prograph directory where files can be uploaded and downloaded via anonymous ftp. For those without ftp access, an info-prograph-sources mailing list can be established. alt.sources.mac also lists Prograph code as one of its legal posting types. The group will be gatewayed to: Info-Prograph unmoderated group comp.lang.prograph Final Vote Ack (Votetaker note: I count ten @prograph.com votes) Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] Sean Webb, PA, ACS [email protected] Mark Turner [email protected] Martin Schroeder [email protected] Christopher Gunn [email protected] Andrew Lambert [email protected] Aaron Munter [email protected] Al Wesolowsky [email protected] Anthony Harris [email protected] Andy Duncan [email protected] Alexandre Rousseau [email protected] John C. Anger [email protected] Edward Arenberg [email protected] Andrew T. Johnston [email protected] [email protected] Benoit Lanaspre [email protected] Ron Backman [email protected] S. Balaji [email protected] michael bayme [email protected] Bryan D. Lee [email protected] Patrick C. Beard [email protected] Jean-Michel Beuken (3570) [email protected] B.J. Herbison [email protected] Dr. Peter D. 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Smedley [email protected] Steven Miale [email protected] Steve M Lazarus [email protected] Stephen C. Gilardi [email protected] johnson r scott [email protected] Scott Taylor [email protected] [email protected] Susan M. Uskudarli [email protected] Steven Swenson [email protected] Sascha Wildner [email protected] Mark Szpakowski [email protected] Tom Dimock [email protected] Nicholas Tarnoff [email protected] Todd Gayley [email protected] Kurt Thams [email protected] [email protected] Timothy Shawley 556-1659 [email protected] Tim Shimmin [email protected] Terry Kilshaw [email protected] Tom Legrady [email protected] TomDLux [email protected] tomkroon [email protected] Tony Mann [email protected] Tony Rich [email protected] Tony Valle [email protected] Adam Treister [email protected] [email protected] Tim Turner [email protected] U12733%[email protected] the one and only [email protected] Karl G. 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