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From [email protected] Tue Mar  7 16:37:55 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Michael Silbergleid) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.video,rec.video.desktop,rec.video.production Subject: RFD: rec.video.professional moderated Followup-To: news.groups Date: 7 Mar 1995 15:36:11 -0500 Organization: PSN Publications Lines: 121 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6348 news.groups:137988 rec.video:78003 rec.video.desktop:4194 rec.video.production:17608                         REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)  Newsgroup:      rec.video.professional Status:         Moderated Distribution:   World Summary:        For professionals in video, television, and broadcasting Proponent:      Michael Silbergleid <[email protected]>   This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) about the creation of a moderated newsgroup relating to professional video, television, and broadcasting.  This RFD has been issued in accordance with the guidelines set in the "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" FAQ regularly posted to news.announce.newgroups. Please refer to this article if you have any questions about the newsgroup creation process.  **This is not a call for votes.  Please do not vote now.**  This RFD is being cross-posted to the following relevant newsgroups:          news.announce.newgroups, news.groups         rec.video, rec.video.desktop, rec.video.production  It will then be sent to related mailing lists:          [email protected]         [email protected]         [email protected]   CHARTER  rec.video.professional would be a newsgroup dealing with specific technical and artistic issues in professional video, television and broadcasting.  Topics would include:  + Policy (e.g. federal regulations passed down from the Federal   Communications Commission) and operation (e.g. day-to-day physical   plant) of broadcast, production and post production facilities.  + Announcements of events of interest to the video, television and   broadcasting community such as conferences and conventions.  + ENG (Electronic News Gathering) equipment specifications.  + New ENG technology such as disk-based (as opposed to tape-based)   cameras.  + ENG videotape formats.  + Linear and nonlinear editing.  + Special Effect design and creation.  + Problem solving and trouble-shooting.  + Production artistry.  + Single- and multiple-camera productions.  + In-studio and remote (out of studio) productions.   MODERATION POLICY  The sole purpose of moderating the proposed newsgroup is to restrict the discussion to subjects related to the video profession.  All articles dealing with such subjects will be accepted, regardless of the point of view of the author.  The moderator will reject articles not pertaining to topics described in the Charter, including:  + Commercial announcements.  + Personal attacks and flames.  + Political discussions not directly related to the video profession.  + Questions or comments pertaining to video hobbyists or amateurs (these   articles will be redirected to the appropriate newsgroups).  The proposed moderator is Michael Silbergleid <[email protected]>. However, during the discussion, other video professionals are encouraged to come forward to be co-moderators, alternate moderators, and/or backup moderators.   RATIONALE  There is considerable interest in forming this newsgroup from those who are video, television and broadcasting professionals currently posting on rec.video, rec.video.desktop, and rec.video.production. There is a certain dissatisfaction in the professional community with those existing newsgroups as they contain mostly amateurs and hobbyists.   PROCEDURE  Please post any response to this message to news.groups.  If you use the followup feature on your newsreader this should happen automatically.  It is important to understand that all discussions about the merits of this proposal should occur on news.groups.  Unless the discussion indicates a need to resubmit a new RFD, a Call for Votes (CFV) will be posted in approximately three to four weeks after the posting of this RFD.   FUTURE CALL FOR VOTES  Please do not post any votes now. This is not a call for votes.  When the CFV is posted, instructions will be given on how to mail your votes to the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV). --  +------------------------------------------------------------------------- + Michael Silbergleid <[email protected]>                    New York, NY Television Broadcast Magazine                                  [email protected]  From [email protected] Mon Jul 24 18:08:41 1995 Path: uunet!in1.uu.net!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Michael Handler) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.video,rec.video.desktop,rec.video.production Subject: CFV: rec.video.professional moderated Followup-To: poster Date: 19 Jul 1995 22:35:30 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 146 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 10 Aug 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7177 news.groups:160224 rec.video:85491 rec.video.desktop:7646 rec.video.production:25338                       FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                 moderated group rec.video.professional  Newsgroups line: rec.video.professional  Technical & artistic issues in professional video (moderated).  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 9 Aug 1995.  This vote is being conducted by Michael Handler <[email protected]>, a neutral third party and a member of the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers [UVV]. For questions about the vote, the voting process, or voting mechanics, email him at <[email protected]>.  The proponent for this proposal is Michael Silbergleid <[email protected]>. If you have any other questions about this proposal, please contact him.  RATIONALE  There is considerable interest in this newsgroup from those video, television and broadcasting professionals currently posting on rec.video, rec.video.desktop, and rec.video.production. There is a frustration in the professional community with those existing newsgroups as they contain mostly amateurs and hobbyists.  CHARTER  This would be a general newsgroup dealing with specific technical and artistic issues in professional video, television and broadcasting.  Topics would include:  + policy (eg. federal regulations passed down from the Federal   Communications Commission) and operation (eg. day-to-day physical   plant) of broadcast, production and post production facilities.  + announcements of events of interest to the video, television and   broadcasting community such as conferences and conventions.  + ENG (Electronic News Gathering) equipment specifications.  + New ENG (Electronic News Gathering) technology such as disk-based   (as opposed to tape-based cameras).  + ENG (Electronic News Gathering) videotape formats.  + Linear and nonlinear editing.  + Special Effect design and creation.  + Problem solving and Trouble Shooting.  + Production artistry.  + Single camera productions.  + Multiple camera productions.  + In-Studio productions.  + Remote (out of studio) productions.  MODERATION  Moderator: Michael Silbergleid <[email protected]> Submissions Address: [email protected] Contact Address: [email protected]  DISTRIBUTION  This Call For Votes (CFV) has been crossposted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, rec.video, rec.video.desktop, rec.video.production  After this Call For Votes (CFV) appears in , it will be sent to the following mailing lists: * [email protected] * [email protected]  HOW TO VOTE  One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Attempts at ballot box stuffing or vote fraud will not be treated lightly.  ************************************************************************** *** IMPORTANT: Email addresses, names, and votes of all voters will be *** *** published in the final voting results list. UVV voting is not done *** *** by secret ballot. If you don't like this policy, don't vote.       *** **************************************************************************  Send email to: <[email protected]>. Just replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.  Your mail message should contain ONE (and only ONE) of the following four statements:        I vote YES on rec.video.professional       I vote NO on rec.video.professional       I vote ABSTAIN on rec.video.professional       I CANCEL my vote on rec.video.professional  YES signifies a vote for the creation of the newsgroup. NO signifies a vote against the creation of the newsgroup. If you vote ABSTAIN, your vote will be registered and will be shown in the final results posting, but it will not affect the outcome of the vote.  If you CANCEL your vote, all records of your vote will be purged from the active results file, and your name, address, and vote will not be listed in the final results posting.  ABSTAIN and CANCEL are nearly the same thing -- the only difference is, with ABSTAIN, your name and address are still listed in the final listing.  If you later change your mind, you may vote again from the same account. Only your last valid vote will be registered in the final count.  Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledgement by mail -- if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  After the final results are posted to , there will then be a five-day period during which the published vote list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed.  OFFICIAL SOURCES OF THE CFV  The only official sources of this CFV are: * The copy which was crossposted to  * Any copies which were sent to mailing lists *by* *the* *votetaker* * One received from the votetaker's automated mailserver  To obtain a copy of the CFV from the votetaker's mailserver, send an email message to <[email protected]>. The text of your message does not matter; this is an automated function. A computer handles this, not a human.  IMPORTANT: If you give anyone copies of the CFV, the copies must be whole and unmodified. Distributing pre-filled in ballots or modified copies of this CFV is considered voting fraud. If this occurs on a large scale, or causes voting problems or irregularities, the vote may be canceled.  When in doubt, ask the votetaker. -- Michael Handler <[email protected]>  Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) Usenet Volunteer Votetakers WWW page:   From [email protected] Thu Jul 27 20:26:01 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Michael Handler) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.video,rec.video.desktop,rec.video.production Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.video.professional moderated Followup-To: poster Date: 28 Jul 1995 00:25:30 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 153 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 10 Aug 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.video.professional Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7236 news.groups:161629 rec.video:85985 rec.video.desktop:7860 rec.video.production:25794                       LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                 moderated group rec.video.professional  *************************************************************************** * NOTE: This is the second CFV of two. If you have already voted and      * * received an acknowledgement of your vote in email from the              * * votetaker, you *DO* *NOT* need to vote again. If you have any           * * questions, ask the votetaker, Michael Handler <[email protected]>    * ***************************************************************************  Newsgroups line: rec.video.professional  Technical & artistic issues in professional video (moderated).  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 9 Aug 1995.  This vote is being conducted by Michael Handler <[email protected]>, a neutral third party and a member of the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers [UVV]. For questions about the vote, the voting process, or voting mechanics, email him at <[email protected]>.  The proponent for this proposal is Michael Silbergleid <[email protected]>. If you have any other questions about this proposal, please contact him.  RATIONALE  There is considerable interest in this newsgroup from those video, television and broadcasting professionals currently posting on rec.video, rec.video.desktop, and rec.video.production. There is a frustration in the professional community with those existing newsgroups as they contain mostly amateurs and hobbyists.  CHARTER  This would be a general newsgroup dealing with specific technical and artistic issues in professional video, television and broadcasting.  Topics would include:  + policy (eg. federal regulations passed down from the Federal   Communications Commission) and operation (eg. day-to-day physical   plant) of broadcast, production and post production facilities.  + announcements of events of interest to the video, television and   broadcasting community such as conferences and conventions.  + ENG (Electronic News Gathering) equipment specifications.  + New ENG (Electronic News Gathering) technology such as disk-based   (as opposed to tape-based cameras).  + ENG (Electronic News Gathering) videotape formats.  + Linear and nonlinear editing.  + Special Effect design and creation.  + Problem solving and Trouble Shooting.  + Production artistry.  + Single camera productions.  + Multiple camera productions.  + In-Studio productions.  + Remote (out of studio) productions.  MODERATION  Moderator: Michael Silbergleid <[email protected]> Submissions Address: [email protected] Contact Address: [email protected]  DISTRIBUTION  This Call For Votes (CFV) has been crossposted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, rec.video, rec.video.desktop, rec.video.production  After this Call For Votes (CFV) appears in , it will be sent to the following mailing lists: * [email protected] * [email protected]  HOW TO VOTE  One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Attempts at ballot box stuffing or vote fraud will not be treated lightly.  ************************************************************************** *** IMPORTANT: Email addresses, names, and votes of all voters will be *** *** published in the final voting results list. UVV voting is not done *** *** by secret ballot. If you don't like this policy, don't vote.       *** **************************************************************************  Send email to: <[email protected]>. Just replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.  Your mail message should contain ONE (and only ONE) of the following four statements:        I vote YES on rec.video.professional       I vote NO on rec.video.professional       I vote ABSTAIN on rec.video.professional       I CANCEL my vote on rec.video.professional  YES signifies a vote for the creation of the newsgroup. NO signifies a vote against the creation of the newsgroup. If you vote ABSTAIN, your vote will be registered and will be shown in the final results posting, but it will not affect the outcome of the vote.  If you CANCEL your vote, all records of your vote will be purged from the active results file, and your name, address, and vote will not be listed in the final results posting.  ABSTAIN and CANCEL are nearly the same thing -- the only difference is, with ABSTAIN, your name and address are still listed in the final listing.  If you later change your mind, you may vote again from the same account. Only your last valid vote will be registered in the final count.  Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledgement by mail -- if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  After the final results are posted to , there will then be a five-day period during which the published vote list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed.  OFFICIAL SOURCES OF THE CFV  The only official sources of this CFV are: * The copy which was crossposted to  * Any copies which were sent to mailing lists *by* *the* *votetaker* * One received from the votetaker's automated mailserver  To obtain a copy of the CFV from the votetaker's mailserver, send an email message to <[email protected]>. The text of your message does not matter; this is an automated function. A computer handles this, not a human.  IMPORTANT: If you give anyone copies of the CFV, the copies must be whole and unmodified. Distributing pre-filled in ballots or modified copies of this CFV is considered voting fraud. If this occurs on a large scale, or causes voting problems or irregularities, the vote may be canceled.  When in doubt, ask the votetaker. -- Michael Handler <[email protected]>  Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) Usenet Volunteer Votetakers WWW page:   From [email protected] Mon Aug 14 15:34:06 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Michael Handler) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.video,rec.video.desktop,rec.video.production Subject: RESULT: rec.video.professional moderated passes 201:14 Followup-To: news.groups Date: 14 Aug 1995 19:33:58 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 317 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.video.professional Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7344 news.groups:164289 rec.video:87168 rec.video.desktop:8492 rec.video.production:26844                                  RESULT          moderated group rec.video.professional passes 201:14  There were 201 YES votes and 14 NO votes, for a total of 215 valid votes. There was 1 abstain and 1 invalid ballot.  For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.  There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.  If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.    rec.video.professional passed on Thu Jul 27 20:46:22 1995  Newsgroups line: rec.video.professional  Professional video, technical and artistic (moderated).  The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 9 Aug 1995.  This vote is being conducted by Michael Handler <[email protected]>, a neutral third party and a member of the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers [UVV]. For questions about the vote, the voting process, or voting mechanics, email him at <[email protected]>.  The proponent for this proposal is Michael Silbergleid <[email protected]>. If you have any other questions about this proposal, please contact him.  CHARTER  This would be a general newsgroup dealing with specific technical and artistic issues in professional video, television and broadcasting.  Topics would include:  + policy (eg. federal regulations passed down from the Federal   Communications Commission) and operation (eg. day-to-day physical   plant) of broadcast, production and post production facilities.  + announcements of events of interest to the video, television and   broadcasting community such as conferences and conventions.  + ENG (Electronic News Gathering) equipment specifications.  + New ENG (Electronic News Gathering) technology such as disk-based   (as opposed to tape-based cameras).  + ENG (Electronic News Gathering) videotape formats.  + Linear and nonlinear editing.  + Special Effect design and creation.  + Problem solving and Trouble Shooting.  + Production artistry.  + Single camera productions.  + Multiple camera productions.  + In-Studio productions.  + Remote (out of studio) productions.  MODERATION  Moderator: Michael Silbergleid <[email protected]> Submissions Address: [email protected] Contact Address: [email protected]  *************************************************************************** *** The following results posting is Copyright 1995 Michael Handler and *** *** Sub Rosa Software, Inc. Usage of the following list or any part     *** *** thereof as a mass mailing list or for any other purpose without the *** *** express written consent of the votetaker is strictly prohibited,    *** *** and may be enforced by law.                                         *** *************************************************************************** (In other words, don't use these email addresses as an advertising mailing list or to send them all surveys asking them why they voted the way they did. You're only going to get people pissed off at you.)  rec.video.professional Final Vote Ack  Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                    Richard Cobourne [email protected]                                        James A. Laing [email protected]                                           DAVID REISS [email protected]                                           Chuck Reti [email protected]                                           Jonathan Adair [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                                   Alan Kennedy [email protected]                                 Alan Gilbertson [email protected]                                                   Andy Birkhead [email protected]                                                 Andy Latto [email protected]                                          Art Clarke [email protected]                                        David Springbett [email protected] [email protected]                                           Barry Ouellette [email protected] [email protected]                                              Aubrey Wells [email protected]                                                    Ben Daube [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                        Ian Gardner [email protected]                                              Brooke Jacobs [email protected]                                              Betty McIlroy [email protected]                                                  Scott Greczkowski [email protected]                                                   russ grubbs [email protected]                                             Ben Parker [email protected] [email protected]                                              Bill Burkett [email protected]                                                   Thom Byxbe [email protected]                                     CHARLES F. CROCKETT [email protected]                                         Chris Barham [email protected]                                             Cindy Jeffrey [email protected]                                                Clark Williams [email protected]                                         Chris Stamper [email protected]                                                  Chris Mallam [email protected] [email protected]                                                        Tom Cox [email protected]                                       MR STEPHEN J HAYFORD [email protected]                                                 Kevin Sullivan [email protected]                                              Wil Maxwell [email protected]                                         Michael Danese [email protected]                                      Karen Gentz [email protected]                                                  Dave Tong [email protected]                                               David Wade [email protected]                                           david holleb [email protected]                         Francisco X DeJesus [email protected]                              DFC Communications [email protected]                                              Dave Giles [email protected]                                                      Doug Thompson [email protected]                                  Diana Harkness [email protected] [email protected]                                          David Nelson [email protected]                                                    Mark Polnasek [email protected]                                                         Ryan [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                                 Kilroy [email protected]                                               Elizabeth Baggs [email protected] [email protected]                                                     Eric S. [email protected]                                            E. Tay [email protected]                                            Evan J Thomas [email protected] [email protected]                                                    gene bortmes [email protected] [email protected]                                   George Randell [email protected] [email protected]                                       Mark Goldberg [email protected]                                                 Greg Ludington [email protected]                                              greg lockwood [email protected]                                                      Gshaftel [email protected]                                                Holger Reusch [email protected]                                             HELGE HAUGLAND [email protected] [email protected]                                               Tod H. Hopkins [email protected]                                                Bob Hoffman [email protected]                                           Iain Pybus [email protected] [email protected]                                  Bastian K. Wimmer [email protected]                                          Michael Bauser [email protected]                                              Grimes Greg [email protected]                                              Diane Hoag [email protected]                                           Steve Schneider [email protected]                                Jonathan Bartlett [email protected]                                            J. David Johnson [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                                    Jim MacKrell [email protected]                                              Jim Powell [email protected]                                               Jim OBrien [email protected] [email protected]                                             John Logan [email protected]                                       J. Porter Clark [email protected]                                               Jamie Rogers [email protected]                                                Jay S. Rouman [email protected]                                   Justin Barrett [email protected]                                                   Jim Young [email protected]                                               Karl Kirbie [email protected] [email protected]                                                Ketil Kirkerud [email protected] [email protected]                                                      Justin Keen [email protected]                                                    Irv Kokol [email protected]                                        W.D. Krauss [email protected]                                                  Lance K. Chun [email protected]                                                  LayneMurph [email protected]                                                 Larry Eder [email protected] [email protected]                                  Martin Schr"oder [email protected] [email protected]                                                Larry Jandro [email protected]                                           Laura Manning [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                          Lynn Cal Maise [email protected]                                       Mark P Allen [email protected]                                 Manfred Lange [email protected]                                            Joel Leskowitz [email protected]                                                 The Truth [email protected]                                                 Marsha Marsiglio [email protected]                                       Mark Beall [email protected] [email protected]                                                    Phil McCoy [email protected]                                             Hamdani Milas [email protected]                                       Mitchell Kasdin [email protected]                                                Marc Lanciaux [email protected] [email protected]                                                Michael Levin [email protected]                                     Michelle Mansfield [email protected]                                         Mary O. Archibold [email protected] [email protected]                                             William Moxley [email protected]                                               Motion Picture Video [email protected]                                            M. Scott Cole [email protected]                                         Michael Sheridan [email protected]                                             Michael Silbergleid [email protected]                                                      Michael [email protected]                                           Mark Ditmanson [email protected]                                            MR TOM PREFLING [email protected]                                                     Nigel Allen [email protected]                                              Jim Swenson [email protected]                                           Kevin C. Castner [email protected]                                               Larry Brieloff [email protected]                                                 Chuck Skinner [email protected]                          Patrick Bryant [email protected]                                                           phil reed [email protected]                                         Peter D. Gray [email protected] [email protected]                                  Belinda Sibly [email protected]                                               Paul Hoffman [email protected]                                                   Eric Posner [email protected]                                                     Paul Roeser [email protected] [email protected]                                 muki pakesch [email protected]                                      Ralph Williams [email protected] [email protected]                                                           Rich [email protected]                                               Rich Keen [email protected]                                                      Rick Tugman [email protected]                                                Rex Olson [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                              Richard Olsson [email protected]                                                  Richard Lord [email protected]                                            Richard Weiss [email protected]                                      Ollivier Robert [email protected]                                                Robin Gold [email protected]                                              Rod Crossley [email protected] [email protected]                                             Randy Thaler [email protected]                                                  Sandy Hawkins [email protected]                                               SIMON CRAWSHAW [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                             Michael Spivak [email protected]                                    R. Scott Redilla [email protected]                                        Keith E. Babuszczak [email protected]                                            Steven Brungardt [email protected]                                            James A Stofa [email protected] [email protected]                                                     Technoman [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                             Tom Gerstel [email protected]                                                  Timothy530 [email protected]                                     Timothy M. Jenvey [email protected]                                        Tim Pierce [email protected] [email protected]                                        Richard Ettinger [email protected] [email protected]                                            MR BRAD G OLSON [email protected]                                          BRENDAN O'CONNELL [email protected]                                                             E.G.Wad [email protected]                                             M. G. Warren [email protected]                                                         JR [email protected]                                Murlin, William E. (Bill)-CGMV [email protected]                                            Dave Weston, CDP [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                       E. Susan Stonehill  Voted No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] [email protected]                                               Michiel Wijers [email protected]                                            Frank Schlueter [email protected]                                                     HiTech [email protected]                                 Jeff Murphy [email protected] [email protected]                                                     Alan Larson [email protected]                                                  Norman Nithman [email protected]                                   Patrick J. LoPresti [email protected]                                           Price Charles [email protected]                                             Richard H. Miller [email protected]                                         Smarasderagd [email protected]                                                  Dwight Brown [email protected]                                         Risto Widenius  Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                          M Mike Taksar KC6ZPS   Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                       Mike Shell    ! No vote statement in message -- Michael Handler <[email protected]>  Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) Usenet Volunteer Votetakers WWW page:  
 
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