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From [email protected] Mon Sep 23 17:24:29 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Scott Anguish <[email protected]> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.video.satellite.dbs,rec.video.satellite.misc Subject: RFD: rec.video.satellite.dbs reorganization Followup-To: news.groups Date: 23 Sep 1996 21:24:21 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 250 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.video.satellite.dbs-reorg Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9176 news.groups:232052 rec.video.satellite.dbs:47382 rec.video.satellite.misc:7057                       REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group rec.video.satellite.dbs.misc (renames rec.video.satellite.dbs)          moderated group rec.video.satellite.dbs.marketplace  This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the reorganization of the rec.video.satellite.dbs hierarchy. This is not a Call For Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below.  Newsgroups lines: rec.video.satellite.dbs.marketplace	Direct broadcast items wanted/for sale. (Moderated) rec.video.satellite.dbs.misc	Talk about direct broadcast satellite systems. (Moderated)  RATIONALE: all groups  The group rec.video.satellite.dbs has been growing steadily with growing popularity of Direct Broadcast Satellite.  Daily traffic flow now often tops 100 postings daily making it difficult to maintain technical discussions, and a burden on the users who receive the group via the gated mailing list.  The group has also been subject to a high incidence of commercial advertising by satellite dealers, some posting as many as 3 or more copies of their ads each day, forged 'testimonials' and anonymous referrals.  It is this traffic, along with the arguments and abuse that is generated by the response to these posts that has spurred this reorganization.  The goal of this split is to restore the group to its original discussion roots, and remove the advertising and flames.  The resultant two groups would be moderated to ensure that the groups are kept on charter, and that advertising frequency in the marketplace group can be restricted.  RATIONAL: rec.video.satellite.dbs.misc  The existing rec.video.satellite.dbs group has become difficult to navigate due to a high-incidence of commercial advertising, the resulting flames, and anonymous, abusive posts and trolls.  By replacing the group with the moderated group rec.video.satellite.dbs.misc it will be possible to remove the advertising from the group completely, and at the same time prevent the abuse and trolling that exists now. Making this group moderated would ensure that no advertising is posted, that the group will be kept on topic, and civil.  RATIONAL: rec.video.satellite.dbs.marketplace  There is no direct broadcast satellite specific group in which marketplace posts are appropriate.  rec.video.satellite.dbs.misc is for discussion, not commerce; unfortunately, the current rec.video.satellite.dbs discussion group sees many of these inappropriate commercial posts. There are readers who are interested in the latest pricing and packages available from the different DBS dealers, and in order to best serve their interests and those who have no interest in the advertising, this separate group is proposed.  The name of the proposed group is chosen to match the proposed rec.video.satellite.dbs.* and *.marketplace newsgroups.  Marketplace has been chosen over forsale due to the commercial aspects of many of the posts.  Making this group moderated would ensure that advertising frequency is kept as per the charter, and that there is no advertiser vs. advertiser postings.   CHARTER: rec.video.satellite.dbs.misc  For the discussion of Direct Broadcast Satellite (DBS) technologies, companies, products and services. DBS is a digital home-entertainment service which transmit cable-style programming via higher-powered satellites in a compressed and encrypted format. DBS customers purchase a small (18" or so) receiving dish and associated components which enable them to subscribe to cable-type programming without having to be wired for cable, or in areas not served by cable tv. There are currently 4 such services operating in the US, with more than 1 million subscribers.  - Commercial advertising is *strictly prohibited*. - Anonymous posting would be prohibited - Flames/Abusive language would be discouraged. - Crossposting between rec.video.satellite.dbs.marketplace is   prohibited. - Binary postings of any kind are prohibited.  This newsgroup will be bi-directionally gated to the existing mailing list (if the mailing list owner allows) or another mailing list will be created.  Moderation Policy  We believe that moderation is not censorship and should never be allowed to become the same.  However, we also believe that a newsgroup should be free of irrelevant postings and wasted bandwidth. The philosophy of moderation is to be light-handed and to offer extra help behind the scenes for new participants, who may be experiencing problems with e-mail addresses or net customs or the like.  This assistance will be offered privately, in response to posts which, judging from past experience, are likely to be objected to by at least some other participants (e.g.personal attacks, questions fully covered in a FAQ file, items which were intended to be personal e-mail; incomplete questions; etc).  Upon their initial group submission, each user will be sent a copy of the groups charter, and a mini FAQ containing pointers to additional information.  This is an attempt to help answer simple questions without the need to post to the group.  The Charter and mini FAQ will be posted to the group weekly as well.  Postings that are inappropriate for rec.video.satellite.dbs.misc - Posts not related to direct broadcast satellite technologies and   issues. - Crossposts to other newsgroups, other than judicious and limited   crossposts to other relevant discussion groups. - Posts that may flagrantly violate copyright laws, or the rules   imposed by the charter. - "Me too" posts; posts that lack appropriate civility; - Binary postings  The moderator will abide by the following policies: - The moderator will work to insure that the quality of discussions   are kept high and free of unsolicited advertising. - The moderator will reject articles that do not conform to this   charter. - The moderator may, after consulting moderation panel, prohibit   postings by a specific user or entity for repeated attempted   charter violations in this group or   rec.video.satellite.dbs.marketplace - Rejected posts would be available via FTP/WWW and pointers to   that location would be included in each newsgroup with its weekly   charter posting.  A three member moderation panel will be available for those who feel their posts have been incorrectly rejected.  Currently we have the following volunteers for the initial panel          - Mike Knight <[email protected]>         - Mike Kunda <[email protected]>         - Charles E. "Rick" Taylor, IV <[email protected]>  It is expected that the majority of the moderation duties can be accomplished through auto-moderation.  New posters, posters who have previously violated or attempted to bypass the charter and infrequent posters submission will be forwarded for traditional moderation.  Submissions from readers are frequent posters, and who do not violate the charter will have their posts automatically approved for posting.  This automatic posting will be adjusted to correspond to the users actions as required to conform with the group's charter.  END CHARTER.  GATEWAYED MAILING LISTS:  It is planned that the new rec.video.satellite.dbs.misc newsgroup will be gated to a mailing list, similar to the way that the present rec.video.satellite.dbs group is. If the existing mailing list is unable to accommodate this change, a new site will be found.  END GATEWAYED MAILING LISTS.  MODERATOR INFO: rec.video.satellite.dbs.misc  Moderator: Scott Anguish <[email protected]>  END MODERATOR INFO.  CHARTER: rec.video.satellite.dbs.marketplace  For commercial advertising of DBS hardware/services by dealers and the posting by individuals selling personal DBS hardware.  In order to prevent rampant commercial abuse in this newsgroup, it would be moderated.  - Commercial ads would be limited to a frequency of one post per   company over a two week period - Crossposting to other newsgroups would be prohibited, due to the   commercial nature of the posts, and the impossible task of having   a moderation 'bot make judgement calls as far as which groups   allow for commercial ads in their charter. - Binary postings of any kind are prohibited.  Moderation policies:  The moderator will abide by the following policies: - The moderator will be unbiased in the approval and rejection of   postings. - The moderator will ensure that the posting frequency is kept to   the agreed upon limit by each advertiser. - The moderated will set all Followup-To: poster - The moderator will reject articles that do not conform to this   charter. - The moderator may, after consulting moderation panel, prohibit   postings by a specific user or entity for repeated attempted   charter violations in this group or rec.video.satellite.dbs.misc - Rejected posts would be available via FTP/WWW and pointers to   that location would be included in each newsgroup with its weekly   charter posting.  A three member moderation panel will be available for those who feel their posts have been incorrectly rejected.  Currently we have the following volunteers for the initial panel          - Mike Knight <[email protected]>         - Mike Kunda <[email protected]>         - Charles E. "Rick" Taylor, IV <[email protected]>  END CHARTER.  MODERATOR INFO: rec.video.satellite.dbs.marketplace  Moderator: Scott Anguish <[email protected]>  END MODERATOR INFO.   PROCEDURE:  This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker.  Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.  All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.  This RFD attempts to comply fully with Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have questions about the process.  DISTRIBUTION:  This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:  news.announce.newgroups news.groups rec.video.satellite.dbs rec.video.satellite.misc  It should be noted that rec.video.satellite.dbs is currently bidirectionally gatewayed to a mailing list.  Proponent: Scott Anguish <[email protected]> Proponent: Mike Kunda <[email protected]>  From [email protected] Wed Oct  9 19:23:36 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Scott Anguish <[email protected]> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.video.satellite.dbs,rec.video.satellite.misc Subject: 2nd RFD: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated moderated Followup-To: news.groups Date: 9 Oct 1996 23:23:34 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 149 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9266 news.groups:234262 rec.video.satellite.dbs:49712 rec.video.satellite.misc:7321                       REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)           moderated group rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated  This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation  of a new newsgroup in the rec.video.satellite.dbs hierarchy. This is not a Call For Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below.  CHANGES from previous RFD:  The previous RFD suggested the change in moderation status of the existing rec.video.satellite.dbs group, and the creation an additional moderated group rec.video.satellite.dbs.marketplace. The proponent complies with the suggestions during the discussion period of the 1st RFD to instead augment the existing group with a moderated group. The proposed .marketplace group for commercial advertising has been merged with the newly proposed .moderated group.  The rationale and charters have been amended accordingly.   Newsgroups lines: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated	Direct broadcast satellite systems. (Moderated)  RATIONALE: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated  The group rec.video.satellite.dbs has been growing steadily with growing popularity of Direct Broadcast Satellite.  Daily traffic flow now often tops 100 postings making it difficult to maintain technical discussions, and a burden on the users who receive the group via the gated mailing list.  The existing rec.video.satellite.dbs group has become difficult to navigate due to a high-incidence of intrusive commercial advertising, the resulting flames, and anonymous, abusive posts and trolls.  By augmenting the existing group with the proposed moderated group it will be possible to again hold technical discussions.  The group has also been subject to a high incidence of commercial advertising by satellite dealers, some posting as many as 3 or more copies of their ads each day, forged 'testimonials' and anonymous referrals.  It is this traffic, along with the arguments and abuse that is generated by the response to these posts that has spurred this reorganization.  The group would be moderated to ensure that the postings are kept on charter, and would allow for discussion without harassment.  CHARTER: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated  The goal of this new group is to allow discussion of DBS technology and services without the current level of abuse and off charter noise that the existing rec.video.satellite.dbs newsgroup is home to.  Advertising of products and promotions would be allowed on a limited frequency basis, and with proper identification as advertising. Making this group moderated would ensure that that the group will be kept spam and abuse free.  - Commercial ads would be limited to a frequency of one post per   company over a two week period - Commercial ads would properly identified, and have Followup set   to Poster. - Anonymous posting would be prohibited - Crossposting to other newsgroups would be prohibited. - Binary postings of any kind are prohibited.  Moderation Policy  The philosophy of moderation is to be light-handed and to offer extra help behind the scenes for new participants, who may be experiencing problems with e-mail addresses or net customs or the like.  Upon their initial group submission, each user will be sent a copy of the groups charter, and a mini FAQ containing pointers to additional information.  Assistance will be offered privately, in response to first time posts which, judging from past experience, are likely to be objected to by at least some other participants (e.g. personal attacks, questions fully covered in a FAQ file, items which were intended to be personal e-mail; incomplete questions; etc).  The Charter and mini FAQ will be posted to the group weekly.  Rejected posts would be available via FTP/WWW and pointers to that location would be included in each newsgroup with its weekly charter posting.  A three member moderation panel will be available for those who feel their posts have been incorrectly rejected.  The moderation panel would become involved ONLY in the case where the rejection of a post is disputed.  Currently we have the following volunteers for the initial panel          - Mike Knight <[email protected]>         - Mike Kunda <[email protected]>         - Charles E. "Rick" Taylor, IV <[email protected]>  It is expected that the majority of the moderation duties can be accomplished through auto-moderation.  END CHARTER.  GATEWAYED MAILING LISTS:  It is planned that the new rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated newsgroup will be gated to a mailing list, similar to the way that the present rec.video.satellite.dbs group is.  END GATEWAYED MAILING LISTS.  MODERATOR INFO: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated  Moderator: Scott Anguish <[email protected]>  END MODERATOR INFO.  PROCEDURE:  This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker.  Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.  All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.  This RFD attempts to comply fully with Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have questions about the process.  DISTRIBUTION:  This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:  news.announce.newgroups news.groups rec.video.satellite.dbs rec.video.satellite.misc  It should be noted that rec.video.satellite.dbs is currently bidirectionally gatewayed to a mailing list.  Proponent: Scott Anguish <[email protected]> Proponent: Mike Kunda <[email protected]>  From [email protected] Tue Nov 26 20:21:54 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (David Bostwick) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.video.satellite.dbs,rec.video.satellite.misc Subject: CFV: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated moderated Followup-To: poster Date: 27 Nov 1996 01:21:52 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) Lines: 167 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 19 Dec 1996 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9391 news.groups:240607 rec.video.satellite.dbs:56695 rec.video.satellite.misc:8145                       FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)           moderated group rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated  Newsgroups line: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated	Direct broadcast satellite discussion. (Moderated)  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 Dec 1996.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.  Proponent: Scott Anguish <[email protected]> Votetaker: David Bostwick <[email protected]>  RATIONALE: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated  The group rec.video.satellite.dbs has been growing steadily with growing popularity of Direct Broadcast Satellite.  Daily traffic flow now often tops 100 postings making it difficult to maintain technical discussions, and a burden on the users who receive the group via the gated mailing list.  The existing rec.video.satellite.dbs group has become difficult to navigate due to a high-incidence of intrusive commercial advertising, the resulting flames, and anonymous, abusive posts and trolls.  By augmenting the existing group with the proposed moderated group it will be possible to again hold technical discussions.  The group has also been subject to a high incidence of commercial advertising by satellite dealers, some posting as many as 3 or more copies of their ads each day, forged 'testimonials' and anonymous referrals.  It is this traffic, along with the arguments and abuse that is generated by the response to these posts that has spurred this reorganization.  The group would be moderated to ensure that the postings are kept on charter, and would allow for discussion without harassment.  CHARTER: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated  The goal of this group is to allow discussion of DBS technology and services without the current level of abuse and off charter noise that the existing rec.video.satellite.dbs newsgroup is home to.  Advertising of products and promotions would be allowed on a limited frequency basis, and with proper identification as advertising. Making this group moderated would ensure that that the group will be kept spam and abuse free.  - Commercial ads would be limited to a frequency of one post per   company over a two week period - Commercial ads would properly identified, and have Followup set   to Poster. - Anonymous posting would be prohibited - Crossposting to other newsgroups would be prohibited. - Binary postings of any kind are prohibited.  Moderation Policy  The philosophy of moderation is to be light-handed and to offer extra help behind the scenes for new participants, who may be experiencing problems with e-mail addresses or net customs or the like.  Upon their initial group submission, each user will be sent a copy of the groups charter, and a mini FAQ containing pointers to additional information.  Assistance will be offered privately, in response to first time posts which, judging from past experience, are likely to be objected to by at least some other participants (e.g. personal attacks, questions fully covered in a FAQ file, items which were intended to be personal e-mail; incomplete questions; etc).  The Charter and mini FAQ will be posted to the group weekly.  Rejected posts would be available via FTP/WWW and pointers to that location would be included in each newsgroup with its weekly charter posting.  A three member moderation panel will be available for those who feel their posts have been incorrectly rejected.  The moderation panel would become involved ONLY in the case where the rejection of a post is disputed.  Currently we have the following volunteers for the initial panel          - Mike Knight <[email protected]>         - Mike Kunda <[email protected]>         - Charles E. "Rick" Taylor, IV <[email protected]>  It is expected that the majority of the moderation duties can be accomplished through auto-moderation.  END CHARTER.  MODERATOR INFO: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated  Moderator: [email protected] (Scott Anguish) Administrative contact address: [email protected] Article submission address: [email protected]  END MODERATOR INFO.  DISTRIBUTION: This CFV has been posted to the following newsgroups:   news.announce.newgroups   news.groups   rec.video.satellite.dbs   rec.video.satellite.misc  HOW TO VOTE - READ THIS BEFORE VOTING  Delete everything above the top "-=-=-" line and delete everything below the bottom -=-=-" line.  Do not change anything between these lines, except to add your name and vote.  Give your name on the line that asks for it.  For each group, put your vote in the brackets next to the group name.  Valid entries are ABSTAIN, CANCEL, NO, and YES.  Anything else may generate an invalid vote.  Don't worry about changes in spacing or any quote characters (">") that your reply may insert.  Mail the ballot to <[email protected]>.  Just replying to this should work, but check the "To:" line.  Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker.  Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited ballots is considered vote fraud.  Only one vote is allowed per person or per account.  Votes will be acknowleged by e-mail.  If you have not received an acknowledgement within a few days, contact the votetaker.  It is your responsibility to be certain your vote has been recorded correctly.  If you want to change your vote, you may vote again, but only the latest vote will be counted. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final vote ack.  The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of people who would read a proposed newsgroup.  Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose.  Please do not distribute this CFV.  If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted in news.groups.  When in doubt, ask the votetaker.  -=-=- BEGINNING OF BALLOT: DELETE EVERYTHING ABOVE THIS LINE =-=-=-=-=-=-= This ballot is available only from      |      FIRST CALL FOR VOTES       | postings in news.groups or by e-mail    |REC.VIDEO.SATELLITE.DBS.MODERATED| from the votetaker.  It is distributed  |                     | blank.  Votes are counted by computer,  ================================== and failure to use this ballot increases the possibility that the software will be unable to process your vote properly.  Do not edit this ballot except to add your name and indicate your vote.  These are examples of how to mark the ballot.  Do not vote here. [   YES   ] example.yes.vote [   NO    ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstain.vote [ CANCEL  ] example.cancel.vote  The placement of the word within the brackets is not important, but use the complete word, not just one letter.  Enter your name and indicate your vote in the spaces below. ------------------------------------------------------------------------  Give your real name here: If you do not give your real name, your vote may be rejected.   Your Vote  Group (Place your vote below in the brackets next to the group) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- [         ]  rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated -=-=-=-=  END OF BALLOT: DELETE EVERYTHING BELOW THIS LINE  =-=-=-=-=-=-=  From [email protected] Mon Dec  9 10:10:33 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (David Bostwick) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.video.satellite.dbs,rec.video.satellite.misc Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated moderated Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Date: 9 Dec 1996 15:10:28 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) Lines: 178 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 19 Dec 1996 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9441 news.groups:243004 rec.video.satellite.dbs:58825 rec.video.satellite.misc:8369                        LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)           moderated group rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated  Newsgroups line: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated	Direct broadcast satellite discussion. (Moderated)  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 Dec 1996.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.  Proponent: Scott Anguish <[email protected]> Votetaker: David Bostwick <[email protected]>  RATIONALE: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated  The group rec.video.satellite.dbs has been growing steadily with growing popularity of Direct Broadcast Satellite.  Daily traffic flow now often tops 100 postings making it difficult to maintain technical discussions, and a burden on the users who receive the group via the gated mailing list.  The existing rec.video.satellite.dbs group has become difficult to navigate due to a high-incidence of intrusive commercial advertising, the resulting flames, and anonymous, abusive posts and trolls.  By augmenting the existing group with the proposed moderated group it will be possible to again hold technical discussions.  The group has also been subject to a high incidence of commercial advertising by satellite dealers, some posting as many as 3 or more copies of their ads each day, forged 'testimonials' and anonymous referrals.  It is this traffic, along with the arguments and abuse that is generated by the response to these posts that has spurred this reorganization.  The group would be moderated to ensure that the postings are kept on charter, and would allow for discussion without harassment.  CHARTER: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated  The goal of this group is to allow discussion of DBS technology and services without the current level of abuse and off charter noise that the existing rec.video.satellite.dbs newsgroup is home to.  Advertising of products and promotions would be allowed on a limited frequency basis, and with proper identification as advertising. Making this group moderated would ensure that that the group will be kept spam and abuse free.  - Commercial ads would be limited to a frequency of one post per   company over a two week period - Commercial ads would properly identified, and have Followup set   to Poster. - Anonymous posting would be prohibited - Crossposting to other newsgroups would be prohibited. - Binary postings of any kind are prohibited.  Moderation Policy  The philosophy of moderation is to be light-handed and to offer extra help behind the scenes for new participants, who may be experiencing problems with e-mail addresses or net customs or the like.  Upon their initial group submission, each user will be sent a copy of the groups charter, and a mini FAQ containing pointers to additional information.  Assistance will be offered privately, in response to first time posts which, judging from past experience, are likely to be objected to by at least some other participants (e.g. personal attacks, questions fully covered in a FAQ file, items which were intended to be personal e-mail; incomplete questions; etc).  The Charter and mini FAQ will be posted to the group weekly.  Rejected posts would be available via FTP/WWW and pointers to that location would be included in each newsgroup with its weekly charter posting.  A three member moderation panel will be available for those who feel their posts have been incorrectly rejected.  The moderation panel would become involved ONLY in the case where the rejection of a post is disputed.  Currently we have the following volunteers for the initial panel          - Mike Knight <[email protected]>         - Mike Kunda <[email protected]>         - Charles E. "Rick" Taylor, IV <[email protected]>  It is expected that the majority of the moderation duties can be accomplished through auto-moderation.  END CHARTER.  MODERATOR INFO: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated  Moderator: [email protected] (Scott Anguish) Administrative contact address: [email protected] Article submission address: [email protected]  END MODERATOR INFO.  DISTRIBUTION: This CFV has been posted to the following newsgroups:   news.announce.newgroups   news.groups   rec.video.satellite.dbs   rec.video.satellite.misc  HOW TO VOTE - READ THIS BEFORE VOTING  Delete everything above the top "-=-=-" line and delete everything below the bottom -=-=-" line.  Do not change anything between these lines, except to add your name and vote.  Give your name on the line that asks for it.  For each group, put your vote in the brackets next to the group name.  Valid entries are ABSTAIN, CANCEL, NO, and YES.  Anything else may generate an invalid vote.  Don't worry about changes in spacing or any quote characters (">") that your reply may insert.  Mail the ballot to <[email protected]>.  Just replying to this should work, but check the "To:" line.  Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker.  Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited ballots is considered vote fraud.  Only one vote is allowed per person or per account.  Votes will be acknowleged by e-mail.  If you have not received an acknowledgement within a few days, contact the votetaker.  It is your responsibility to be certain your vote has been recorded correctly.  If you want to change your vote, you may vote again, but only the latest vote will be counted. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final vote ack.  The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of people who would read a proposed newsgroup.  Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose.  Please do not distribute this CFV.  If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted in news.groups.  When in doubt, ask the votetaker.  -=-=- BEGINNING OF BALLOT: DELETE EVERYTHING ABOVE THIS LINE =-=-=-=-=-=-= This ballot is available only from      |       LAST CALL FOR VOTES       | postings in news.groups or by e-mail    |REC.VIDEO.SATELLITE.DBS.MODERATED| from  the votetaker.  It is distributed |                     | blank.  Votes are counted by computer,  ================================== and failure to use this ballot increases the possibility that the software will be unable to process your vote properly.  Do not edit this ballot except to add your name and indicate your vote.  These are examples of how to mark the ballot.  Do not vote here. [   YES   ] example.yes.vote [   NO    ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstain.vote [ CANCEL  ] example.cancel.vote  The placement of the word within the brackets is not important, but use the complete word, not just one letter.  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Your Vote  Group (Place your vote below in the brackets next to the group) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- [         ]  rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated -=-=-=-=  END OF BALLOT: DELETE EVERYTHING BELOW THIS LINE  =-=-=-=-=-=-=  rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated Bounce List - No need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                         Andrew Busa [email protected]                                                Robert Eaton [email protected]                                                  John Thiers David Bostwick School of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Georgia Institute of Technology Atlanta, GA 30332-0400 Voice: (404) 894-4061  FAX: (404) 894-7452 [email protected]  From [email protected] Fri Dec 20 10:15:20 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (David Bostwick) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.video.satellite.dbs,rec.video.satellite.misc Subject: RESULT: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated moderated fails 114:28 Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 20 Dec 1996 10:14:45 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) Lines: 280 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9452 news.groups:244362 rec.video.satellite.dbs:60753 rec.video.satellite.misc:8523                                  RESULT     moderated group rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated fails 114:28  There were 114 YES votes and 28 NO votes, for a total of 142 valid votes. There were 2 invalid ballots.  For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.  There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group may not be voted on again for six months.  Newsgroups line: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated	Direct broadcast satellite discussion. (Moderated)  The voting period ended at 23:59:59 UTC, 18 Dec 1996.  This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.  Proponent: Scott Anguish <[email protected]> Votetaker: David Bostwick <[email protected]>  RATIONALE: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated  The group rec.video.satellite.dbs has been growing steadily with growing popularity of Direct Broadcast Satellite.  Daily traffic flow now often tops 100 postings making it difficult to maintain technical discussions, and a burden on the users who receive the group via the gated mailing list.  The existing rec.video.satellite.dbs group has become difficult to navigate due to a high-incidence of intrusive commercial advertising, the resulting flames, and anonymous, abusive posts and trolls.  By augmenting the existing group with the proposed moderated group it will be possible to again hold technical discussions.  The group has also been subject to a high incidence of commercial advertising by satellite dealers, some posting as many as 3 or more copies of their ads each day, forged 'testimonials' and anonymous referrals.  It is this traffic, along with the arguments and abuse that is generated by the response to these posts that has spurred this reorganization.  The group would be moderated to ensure that the postings are kept on charter, and would allow for discussion without harassment.  CHARTER: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated  The goal of this group is to allow discussion of DBS technology and services without the current level of abuse and off charter noise that the existing rec.video.satellite.dbs newsgroup is home to.  Advertising of products and promotions would be allowed on a limited frequency basis, and with proper identification as advertising. Making this group moderated would ensure that that the group will be kept spam and abuse free.  - Commercial ads would be limited to a frequency of one post per   company over a two week period - Commercial ads would properly identified, and have Followup set   to Poster. - Anonymous posting would be prohibited - Crossposting to other newsgroups would be prohibited. - Binary postings of any kind are prohibited.  Moderation Policy  The philosophy of moderation is to be light-handed and to offer extra help behind the scenes for new participants, who may be experiencing problems with e-mail addresses or net customs or the like.  Upon their initial group submission, each user will be sent a copy of the groups charter, and a mini FAQ containing pointers to additional information.  Assistance will be offered privately, in response to first time posts which, judging from past experience, are likely to be objected to by at least some other participants (e.g. personal attacks, questions fully covered in a FAQ file, items which were intended to be personal e-mail; incomplete questions; etc).  The Charter and mini FAQ will be posted to the group weekly.  Rejected posts would be available via FTP/WWW and pointers to that location would be included in each newsgroup with its weekly charter posting.  A three member moderation panel will be available for those who feel their posts have been incorrectly rejected.  The moderation panel would become involved ONLY in the case where the rejection of a post is disputed.  Currently we have the following volunteers for the initial panel          - Mike Knight <[email protected]>         - Mike Kunda <[email protected]>         - Charles E. "Rick" Taylor, IV <[email protected]>  It is expected that the majority of the moderation duties can be accomplished through auto-moderation.  END CHARTER.  MODERATOR INFO: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated  Moderator: [email protected] (Scott Anguish) Administrative contact address: [email protected] Article submission address: [email protected]  END MODERATOR INFO.  DISTRIBUTION: The CFV for this group was posted to the following newsgroups:   news.announce.newgroups   news.groups   rec.video.satellite.dbs   rec.video.satellite.misc  rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated Final Vote Ack  Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                            Jeff Addis [email protected]                                                Alan Aldredge [email protected]                                         Andrew Busa [email protected]                                         Stephanie da Silva [email protected]                                          Adam Smith [email protected]                                August Abolins [email protected]                                     David E. Bath [email protected]                                      Cedric Brent Kelly [email protected]                                                Robert Eaton [email protected]                                     Wayne C. Boncyk [email protected]                                           B. Hennen [email protected]                                      Bruce McPherran [email protected]                                         Clifford B. Brown III [email protected]                               Charles E. Taylor, IV [email protected]                                             Douglas Chinault [email protected]                                         Chuck Kohlenberg [email protected]                                                     Curt Lindner [email protected]                                             Charles Wells [email protected]                                              Daniel Sabourin [email protected]                                                    Danny Porter [email protected]                                                     Don Root [email protected]                                                          Don Currie [email protected]                                              Doug Hockin [email protected]                                                  Dave Smart [email protected]                                              Dylan Ginsburg [email protected]                                         Patricia McGuire [email protected]                                                   Roland W. Fox [email protected]                                                   Gareth Jones [email protected]                                               Andy Finkenstadt [email protected]                                                  Dick Grady [email protected]                                          Jerry Grooms [email protected]                                               Guy A. Wadsworth [email protected]                                          Basil R. Halhed [email protected]                                           Michael W J Hordijk [email protected]                                          Lance Hollister [email protected]                                                 Joel B. Levin [email protected]                                                  John David Galt [email protected]                                                      Jeff Keene [email protected]                                                   Joe Brooks [email protected]                                          Joshua M. Burgin [email protected]                                        john paul bauer [email protected]                                         J. Porter Clark [email protected]                                          Jim Shaffer, Jr. [email protected]                                               Jules DUbois [email protected]                                        Kathryn Fielding [email protected]                                           Kevin D. Ball [email protected]                                                  Kim DeVaughn [email protected]                           Kimmo Ketolainen +358 40 555 5508 [email protected]                                              Kenny Cottrell [email protected]                                           Keith Drabik [email protected]                                                    Mike Kunda [email protected]                                            Louis E. Sparks Jr. [email protected]                                        Orin A. Day [email protected]                                              Marshall Williams [email protected]                                                 Perry Martin [email protected]                                                  Mike Northam [email protected]                                              Michael Feinstein [email protected]                                            Mark Frank Stevenson [email protected]                                              Mike Gray [email protected]                                                Mike Guenther [email protected]                                           Mason Wexler [email protected]                                                   Mike Knight [email protected]                                Milton Moskowitz [email protected]                                         Milton Scritsmier [email protected]                                                     Michael Weber [email protected]                                                  Mike Nassour [email protected]                                         David P. Robinson [email protected]                                             Michael Pins [email protected]                                             DUANE AMADO [email protected]                                              Matthew L. Martin [email protected]                                       Christian Weisgerber [email protected]                                            MAKAREVITCH Nat [email protected]                                                 Nick Waterman [email protected]                                                  John Thiers [email protected]                                 Ollivier Robert [email protected]                                              William H. Oost [email protected]                                                  P D McLellan [email protected]                                          Andre Pregent [email protected]                                    Paul L. Schmidt [email protected]                                            Robert Alexander [email protected]                                          Randell Jesup [email protected]                                                Richard Miller [email protected]                                              Richard King [email protected]                                                    Robert Kirk [email protected]                                               Robert Smathers [email protected]                              Robert A. Dunstan [email protected]                                               Jay Friedman [email protected]                                              Ronald W. Bower [email protected]                                            Ronnie Grant [email protected]                                                       Rory Orkin [email protected]                                      Dan Roumbanis [email protected]                                                Richard Reed [email protected]                                                   Rodney Rein [email protected]                                                 Robert Smits [email protected]                                                  John Abeel [email protected]                                   Ryan Tucker [email protected]                                             Scott Anguish [email protected]                                   Steve Cleverley [email protected]                                                     Sean Stuart [email protected]                                      Robert L. Shepherd s[email protected]                                                   John Sinnott [email protected]                                                   Kath Slawson [email protected]                                              Chris Stamper [email protected]                                                  Thomas Suzda [email protected]                                             Timothy Claborn [email protected]                          terry signorella [email protected]                                                 Tom Morse [email protected]                                                 Todd C. Lawson [email protected]                                                        Tony Storz [email protected]                                                Arthur Urban [email protected]                                    Val Marti [email protected]                                        Garry C. VanPool [email protected]                                          Dave Duchscher [email protected]                                                 Ned Fleming  Voted No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                        Ross Anderson [email protected]                                             Jay Breuer [email protected]                                             Martin H. Booda [email protected]                                              Brian Trosko [email protected]                               Charles Dreveskracht [email protected]                                              Scot Homer [email protected]                                 Howard Brandis [email protected]                               John Henderson : [email protected]                                            Jim O'Connell [email protected]                                            John Lowther [email protected]                                                    Michael Craft [email protected]                                                GEORGE E. LOWKE [email protected]                                                Lance Kibblewhite [email protected]                                             Aaron Marquez [email protected]                                          Gary K. McDonald [email protected]                                                   Jeff Bach [email protected]                                 Mustafa Soysal MS57 [email protected]                                          Nick Ingegneri [email protected]                                             Olav Nieuwejaar [email protected]                                           Patrick J. LoPresti [email protected]                                                Richard H. Derr III [email protected]                                                      Shrisha Rao [email protected]                                               Mike Johansen [email protected]                                             Shawn McCullar [email protected]                                                  Dwight Brown [email protected]                                           Steven Garman [email protected]                                                 Shane Castle [email protected]                                            Carol Scheible   Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]    ! No ballot [email protected]                                               J Rufinus    ! Invalid addressDavid Bostwick School of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Georgia Institute of Technology Atlanta, GA 30332-0400 Voice: (404) 894-4061  FAX: (404) 894-7452 [email protected]