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From [email protected] Sat Feb 13 12:48:00 1993 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.books Path: uunet!ferkel.ucsb.edu!taco!gatech!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Andrew Solovay) Subject: RFD: rec.arts.books.tolkien Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Organization: Castle Anthrax Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1993 19:25:35 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 24 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3211 news.groups:65731 alt.fan.tolkien:2197 rec.arts.sf.written:19508 rec.arts.books:59280  I propose that a new group be created for discussion of the works of J.R.R. Tolkien. This group, rec.arts.books.tolkien, would supersede the existing "alt.fan.tolkien".  The group would be a forum for discussion about the works in Professor Tolkien's "Middle-Earth" cycle (including "The Hobbit", "The Lord of the Rings", and "The Silmarillion") and all his related writings ("Unfinished Tales", "Book of Lost Tales", "Lays of Beleriand", "History of Middle Earth"...). It would also be open to discussion of related and supplemental works by other authors (such as the "Atlas of Middle-Earth").  According to estimates in news.lists, there are roughly 9900 readers of alt.fan.tolkien worldwide. Roughly 150 articles were posted in the week of Jan. 23-30, despite the limited number of sites which carry alt.fan newsgroups. This volume merits a newsgroup in the regular hierarchy. The topic is one with staying power; Professor Tolkien has had an enthusiastic (not to say "fanatical") following for several decades. --  Andrew Solovay      "Wait a minute! You guys are NINJAS!"                 ---The Tick  From [email protected] Tue Feb 23 23:39:42 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Andrew Solovay) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books,rec.arts.sf.written Subject: CFV: rec.arts.books.tolkien Followup-To: poster Date: 23 Feb 1993 14:36:30 -0500 Organization: Castle Anthrax Lines: 105 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3272 news.groups:67295 alt.fan.tolkien:2667 rec.arts.books:60880 rec.arts.sf.written:20803  This is a call for votes to create a new unmoderated group, rec.arts.books.tolkien. (The name was determined by a straw poll.) This post contains information about the proposed group and voting instructions. The full charter is at the end of this post.  NEWSGROUP    rec.arts.books.tolkien (unmoderated)  VOTING    The voting period will begin when this CFV is posted. It will end at   23:59:59 PST March 19, 1993. Votes must be *received* by the   deadline. According to the USENET rules, in order for the group to   be created, at least 2/3 of the votes cast must be "YES" votes, and   there must be at least 100 more "YES" votes than "NO" votes.    Votes must be sent to one of the following two addresses:          [email protected] 	[email protected]    You may simply "reply" to this posting. Each address can accept both   "YES" and "NO" votes. Votes posted to any newsgroup will NOT be   counted.    The subject line should be an unambiguous "yes" or "no" vote (e.g.   "I vote {YES,NO} on the creation of rec.arts.books.tolkien as   proposed"). If the subject line doesn't have such a statement, I   will check the body of the message for the vote.    Please include your full name, if your mailer doesn't do this for   you.    Conditional statements (e.g. "I would vote YES if...") will be   considered comments, not votes. If you wish to make comments, you   are welcome to do so; however, please make sure that your ballot   begins with an unambiguous vote.    No more than one vote may come from any one account; you may not   mail votes on behalf of another person. Each person is permitted to   vote only once, no matter how many accounts he or she might have. If   a single person or account sends more than one vote, the vote with   the latest "sending" time will be the official vote.    I will attempt to acknowledge every vote via EMail (i.e. "Your NO   vote against the creation of rec.arts.books.tolkien has been   received").  There will also be two repeats of this CFV, each of   which will have a full list of voters (without specifying which way   they voted).    If you are unsure whether your vote was received, you may EMail me   at either of the above addresses. However, I cannot divulge the vote   tallies until the end of the voting period. I also cannot answer   questions about the content of the group (other than by mailing a   copy of the charter).  ============================================================  CHARTER     rec.arts.books.tolkien (hereinafter referred to as "The Group")   would be a forum for discussion of all the works of Professor J.R.R.   Tolkien (hereinafter "JRRT"). It would be open to discussion of his   "Middle-earth" works, his scholarly writings, his essays and poetry,   and all other works of JRRT (of whatever nature). The Group would be   open to discussion at any level; for example, discussion of his   "Middle-Earth" works could vary from literary criticism to   philological discussion of the book's languages, or any other topic   bearing on the works.    The Group would also be open for discussion of works by other   authors which relate to JRRT's work (including, but not limited to,   scholarly criticism of his work, supplemental and speculative   writings about his worlds, analyses of the various languages created   by JRRT, and (of course) the elaborate historical material published   by Christopher Tolkien). The group would be open to discussion about   art works which are based on Tolkien's works (e.g. graphic   depictions of scenes from his worlds, musical settings of his   ballads and poetry).  The group would furthermore be open to   discussion about JRRT the man, and how the circumstances of his life   relate to his writing.    The Group would be open to comparisons of Tolkien's works with those   of other authors, e.g. comparing the influence of Christianity   JRRT's writing with its influence on C.S. Lewis's works; comparing   Sauron with Milton's Satan as a figure of evil; etc.  If such a   discussion drifted into a discussion of the other author alone (and   no longer touched on Tolkien), it would no longer be appropriate for   the Group, and participants would be asked to move the discussion to   a more appropriate newsgroup, or to EMail.    Fan fiction would be permitted, provided that it did not violate   anyone's rights or copyrights (especially the rights and copyrights   of the Tolkien estate). Posters of fan fiction would be strongly   encouraged to put the identifying word "FANFIC" in the "subject"   line (to simplify kill-filing). Satire and parody of Tolkien's work   would also be permitted. If the poster could reasonably expect   readers to be offended by the posting, he or she should post it in   rot-13 encryption (i.e. each letter is mapped to the letter 13   places on in the alphabet, so that 'a' becomes 'n', 'b' becomes 'o',   etc.).    Willful and/or repeated spelling of JRRT's name as "Tolkein" would   be punished by brutal sarcasm.  From [email protected] Wed Mar 10 21:08:23 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Andrew Solovay) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books,rec.arts.sf.written Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: rec.arts.books.tolkien Followup-To: poster Date: 3 Mar 1993 23:53:36 -0500 Organization: Castle Anthrax Lines: 459 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3323 news.groups:67538 alt.fan.tolkien:2879 rec.arts.books:61500 rec.arts.sf.written:21350  This is a reposting of the call for votes to create a new unmoderated group, rec.arts.books.tolkien. (The name was determined by a straw poll.)  This post contains information about the proposed group and voting instructions.  This posting also contains a listing of all people from whom valid votes have been received (as of 3/1/93). The listing follows the charter.  NEWSGROUP    rec.arts.books.tolkien (unmoderated)  VOTING    The voting period will begin when this CFV is posted. It will end at   23:59:59 PST March 19, 1993. Votes must be *received* by the   deadline. According to the USENET rules, in order for the group to   be created, at least 2/3 of the votes cast must be "YES" votes, and   there must be at least 100 more "YES" votes than "NO" votes.    Votes must be sent to one of the following two addresses:          [email protected] 	[email protected]    You may simply "reply" to this posting. Each address can accept both   "YES" and "NO" votes. Votes posted to any newsgroup will NOT be   counted.    The subject line should be an unambiguous "yes" or "no" vote (e.g.   "I vote {YES,NO} on the creation of rec.arts.books.tolkien as   proposed"). If the subject line doesn't have such a statement, I   will check the body of the message for the vote.    Please include your full name.    Conditional statements (e.g. "I would vote YES if...") will be   considered comments, not votes. If you wish to make comments, you   are welcome to do so; however, please make sure that your ballot   begins with an unambiguous vote.    No more than one vote may come from any one account; you may not   mail votes on behalf of another person. Each person is permitted to   vote only once, no matter how many accounts he or she might have. If   a single person or account sends more than one vote, the vote with   the latest "sending" time will be the official vote.    I will attempt to acknowledge every vote via EMail (i.e. "Your NO   vote against the creation of rec.arts.books.tolkien has been   received").  There will also be two repeats of this CFV, each of   which will have a full list of voters (without specifying which way   they voted).    If you are unsure whether your vote was received, you may EMail me   at either of the above addresses. However, I cannot divulge the vote   tallies until the end of the voting period. I also cannot answer   questions about the content of the group (other than by mailing a   copy of the charter).  ============================================================  CHARTER     rec.arts.books.tolkien (hereinafter referred to as "The Group")   would be a forum for discussion of all the works of Professor J.R.R.   Tolkien (hereinafter "JRRT"). It would be open to discussion of his   "Middle-earth" works, his scholarly writings, his essays and poetry,   and all other works of JRRT (of whatever nature). The Group would be   open to discussion at any level; for example, discussion of his   "Middle-Earth" works could vary from literary criticism to   philological discussion of the book's languages, or any other topic   bearing on the works.    The Group would also be open for discussion of works by other   authors which relate to JRRT's work (including, but not limited to,   scholarly criticism of his work, supplemental and speculative   writings about his worlds, analyses of the various languages created   by JRRT, and (of course) the elaborate historical material published   by Christopher Tolkien). The group would be open to discussion about   art works which are based on Tolkien's works (e.g. graphic   depictions of scenes from his worlds, musical settings of his   ballads and poetry).  The group would furthermore be open to   discussion about JRRT the man, and how the circumstances of his life   relate to his writing.    The Group would be open to comparisons of Tolkien's works with those   of other authors, e.g. comparing the influence of Christianity   JRRT's writing with its influence on C.S. Lewis's works; comparing   Sauron with Milton's Satan as a figure of evil; etc.  If such a   discussion drifted into a discussion of the other author alone (and   no longer touched on Tolkien), it would no longer be appropriate for   the Group, and participants would be asked to move the discussion to   a more appropriate newsgroup, or to EMail.    Fan fiction would be permitted, provided that it did not violate   anyone's rights or copyrights (especially the rights and copyrights   of the Tolkien estate). Posters of fan fiction would be strongly   encouraged to put the identifying word "FANFIC" in the "subject"   line (to simplify kill-filing). Satire and parody of Tolkien's work   would also be permitted. If the poster could reasonably expect   readers to be offended by the posting, he or she should post it in   rot-13 encryption (i.e. each letter is mapped to the letter 13   places on in the alphabet, so that 'a' becomes 'n', 'b' becomes 'o',   etc.).    Willful and/or repeated spelling of JRRT's name as "Tolkein" would   be punished by brutal sarcasm.  VOTE ACK    As of 3/1/93, 23:59:59 PST, votes have been received from the   following people. If you sent a vote much earlier than that, please   contact me at the voting addresses to make sure your vote was   received.    I attempted to send a confirmation notice to everyone who voted. If   you received a confirmation notice dated on or before 3/1/93 and   your name is not listed here, please contact me immediately.    Votes are listed in order by account name. "YES" and "NO" votes are   *not* separated.  [email protected]                    [email protected]                      [email protected]              Bruce Alan Wilson  [email protected]          Chris Marble   [email protected]                  David W. Wright  DAVEL%[email protected]            [email protected]               Brett    [email protected]                  Daniel Triplett   [email protected]          Dave Wyble   [email protected]        David Empson   [email protected]               Hector Cancela   [email protected]        Herbert Leitz   [email protected]               Eric Alfred Burns  [email protected]               Kevin Foss   [email protected]            Elaine Tindill   [email protected]               "J.W.Baxter"    [email protected]              [email protected]               "Juha M{enp{{, puh. 508 [email protected]                  "James L. Durrell"  [email protected]                Juhani Polvinen   [email protected]        Kay Shapero   MCCROSKEYED%[email protected]        Erick D. Mccroskey  [email protected]                     [email protected]        "Loren J. Miller"  [email protected]            Michael Quinn   [email protected]                  Greg Morrow   [email protected]        Michael P. Colburn  [email protected]                 "M. Otto"   [email protected]                   Patrick S. Clark  [email protected]             Anna-Maija Rajakangas   [email protected]        Kevin W. Welch  [email protected]                    Steve Fagg   [email protected]                      [email protected]                [email protected]              Tony Zbaraschuk   [email protected]                       Carl Patrik Andila  [email protected]          Arthur Rubin   [email protected]                       Al Wesolowsky   [email protected]                    Andrew A. Chernov  [email protected]            Steve C Liu  [email protected]                                [email protected]                  Jun Akiyama   [email protected]                Alex Knight   [email protected]            John Allen   [email protected]              Amberle Ferrian   [email protected]                   Adam Costello   [email protected]                  Andrew McCown   [email protected]                  Andrew Finkenstadt   [email protected]                      Antti Miettinen   [email protected]                   Stephanie da Silva  [email protected]                   Alan R. Minns  [email protected]             Arthur Chandler   [email protected]        Ran Atkinson   [email protected]           Ed Bailey   [email protected]                    Nathan Bardsley   [email protected]                      David Barr   [email protected]                      J. Kintscher   [email protected]                   Bengt Larsson   [email protected]                   Magne Bergland   [email protected]               Bram Smits   [email protected]                    Brian Troxell   [email protected]                   Anthony Brock   [email protected]                   Jan Brittenson   [email protected]             Dan Burnett   [email protected]                         Burt N Holzman  [email protected]        Paul Fisahn   [email protected]                     Charlie Collins   [email protected]           Mark Thomas   [email protected]              Carl F. Hostetter  [email protected]              Mike Carney   [email protected]                 Dave Carr   [email protected]        Kai-Uwe Froehlich   [email protected]              John Lindsey   [email protected]                  Charles Fitzgerald   [email protected]             C G Kolar  [email protected]                  Charlie Hancock   [email protected]              Len Charest   charles%[email protected]          Charles Emmons   [email protected]               Chris Cole   [email protected]        Matt Deter   [email protected]                           Christopher Davis   [email protected]                John Councill   [email protected]                     Craig Bosworth   [email protected]          "Stephen A. Creps"  [email protected]                Dale A Smoak  [email protected]         Matthew Crosby   [email protected]              Curt Wiederhoeft   [email protected]                     [email protected]             Fredrik Pihlstr|m   [email protected]                       [email protected]                       [email protected]                   Thomas Wolmer   [email protected]            Eric A. Seiden  [email protected]              David A. Smith  [email protected]                          "David E. Boyce"  [email protected]                     Dave Israel   [email protected]              David M. M. de [email protected]               Don Faulkner   [email protected]                      David G. 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Huff  [email protected]              Wayne Iba   [email protected]              Thomas Koenig   [email protected]                       Jamie Andrews   [email protected]                    Jan Ove Liatun  [email protected]           Joel Kent Baxter  [email protected]                  Joakim Bjorklund   [email protected]                    Jerry Cullingford   [email protected]           James Alexander Chokey  [email protected]            Julian C. Lander  [email protected]             "John D. Harper"  [email protected]                 John Duncan   [email protected]                   Jason Edward Purcell  [email protected]            James Farrell   [email protected]                   Joel Furr   [email protected]                       John Hawkinson   [email protected]                  Jim Gillogly   [email protected]                    Jim Humphreys   [email protected]                   Joe Kellett   [email protected]        Skip Sizemore   [email protected]        Jim Mann   [email protected]                Jay Maynard   [email protected]                 Joe Smith   [email protected]                  [email protected]                          [email protected]        Josef Nelissen   [email protected]             Jon Damon Reese  [email protected]               Jefery Roberts   [email protected]                      Joel Sax   [email protected]                Jeffrey C Spencer  [email protected]                   Alexandre Julliard   [email protected]                          Jussi-Ville Heiskanen   [email protected]                        "John White"   [email protected]         John Halperin   [email protected]                    Kai Gjessing   [email protected]        Roland Kaltefleiter   [email protected]                Karyn Pichnarczyk   [email protected]        Michael Kelsey   [email protected]                 Brian Kenney   [email protected]                         Klaus Ole Kristiansen  [email protected]             Bill Konrad   [email protected]               Kimmo T Paasiala  [email protected]         Kevin Thompson   [email protected]            Dave Lampson   [email protected]                        Stephen Lau   [email protected]           Laura Gillespie   [email protected]                          Lee Short   [email protected]                 Brian D. Leet  [email protected]                     Miguel Leith   [email protected]                    Tony Leneis   [email protected]                 Leonard Bottleman   [email protected]              David Librik   [email protected]                  Bradley Lindaas   [email protected]                Gerry Swetsky   [email protected]                  (Bernhard Lorenz)   [email protected]             Kevin L. Lord  [email protected]                        Dyer Lytle   [email protected]                  Tom Nettleship   [email protected]                      "John E. 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Prescott  [email protected]           Mike Minnotte   [email protected]                   Martin Merry   [email protected]             Michael Kelly   [email protected]                 Mark Munoz   [email protected]        Merri L Naka  [email protected]           Scott M. Rogala  [email protected]                 Milind Gandhe   [email protected]                   Michael S. Pettersen  [email protected]           Mike Suzio   [email protected]              Meg Worley   [email protected]                   Jeremy Walton   [email protected]            [email protected]                  Paul Adams   [email protected]             Paul McGuire   [email protected]              Paul A Gunderson  [email protected]                        "Paul (P.A.) Valin"  [email protected]                          "Per Lindberg"   [email protected]                 Dan Peters   [email protected]                    Peter van Rossum  [email protected]                Patricia Evans   [email protected]             "V. Phaniraj"   [email protected]                        Phiber Optik   [email protected]               Leanne Phillips   [email protected]              Damien R. Sullivan  [email protected]         Dave Weingart   [email protected]              Pete Boulay   [email protected]         Joel Plutchak   [email protected]        Alan Beale   [email protected]                       Peter V. Vorobieff  [email protected]         Rachel Meredith Kadel  [email protected]                       Olaf Weber   [email protected]                 Charles Rezk   [email protected]                       Richard F. Drushel  [email protected]          Richard H. Miller  [email protected]             Ruben Areyzaga   [email protected]                R Kamal   [email protected]                  "Richard L. Butler"  [email protected]          Rich Carreiro   [email protected]                   Roger Leroux   [email protected]                       Robert Grumbine   [email protected]                      Jo Churcher   [email protected]                Bob Nichols   [email protected]                  Roderick Lee   [email protected]             John W. Vargas  [email protected]               Kyle Ray Roberson  [email protected]                 Ronen Altman   [email protected]                      "Ronnie B. Kon"  [email protected]                  Rod Shelton   [email protected]                       R M Price  [email protected]         Roger Squires   [email protected]                  Sam Warden   [email protected]                  Sam Warden   [email protected]                Daan Sandee   [email protected]         BCFD #36   [email protected]                Bart Sears   [email protected]               Bill Seurer   [email protected]        Timothy Shimeall   [email protected]                      Vernon Siler   [email protected]              Glyn Simpson   [email protected]            Si Rowe   [email protected]        Seth J. Morabito  [email protected]                    Stephen Joseph Smith  [email protected]         stephen macmanus   [email protected]                Marc Moorcroft   [email protected]                          Janne Snabb   [email protected]                  lars soepstad   [email protected]                    Andrew Solovay   [email protected]             Brad A. Spencer  [email protected]               [email protected]        Sara L Shriner  [email protected]                     Subrata Sircar   [email protected]                   [email protected]        Steve Coltrin   [email protected]                 Bob Myers   [email protected]              Stu Labovitz   [email protected]                S Butterfield   [email protected]          Nathan Tenny   [email protected]            Erik Trulsson   [email protected]                Tami Dawn Kimmel  [email protected]              Terri Oberkamper   [email protected]                           Timothy Walker   [email protected]        Cindy Tittle Moore  [email protected]                      T. M. Murali  [email protected]                     [email protected]        Michael C. Leap  [email protected]                     [email protected]            Todd Snow   [email protected]                Tero Tiittanen   [email protected]             Tom Galloway   [email protected]            uunet!atlantis!aaron                  Aaron Humphrey   uunet!decwrl!decvax!nj8j.black        Ben Coleman   uunet!impmh!dsg                       Dave Gordon   uunet!uflorida!sinkhole!junix!        Melinda Smirl   [email protected]                    Mark Vernon   [email protected]                    Vince Guinto   [email protected]               David Wald   [email protected]             Michael Warning   [email protected]        Markus Wenzel   [email protected]               John Werner   [email protected]                 [email protected]        William M. Perry  [email protected]                       Hynek Med   [email protected]         "Yvonne Y. Yang"  [email protected]           Patrick Tufts   [email protected]         "Zach Kessin"   [email protected]                Scott E Flowers  --  Andrew Solovay      "I am the Golux, the only Golux in the world,   and not a mere Device."  From [email protected] Thu Mar 11 11:35:25 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Andrew Solovay) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books,rec.arts.sf.written Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK: rec.arts.books.tolkien Followup-To: poster Date: 11 Mar 1993 01:38:42 -0500 Organization: Castle Anthrax Lines: 652 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3347 news.groups:67887 alt.fan.tolkien:3026 rec.arts.books:61970 rec.arts.sf.written:21675  This is a call for votes to create a new unmoderated group, rec.arts.books.tolkien. (The name was determined by a straw poll.) This post contains information about the proposed group and voting instructions.  This posting also contains a listing of all people from whom valid votes have been received (as of 3/9/93). The listing follows the charter.  One small request: If you vote by "reply"ing to this CFV, *please*, *please*, *please* don't include this posting. I already have a copy of it; you don't have to send all 644 lines to me.   Remember, only those votes *received* by 23:59:59, March 19, 1993 will be counted.   NEWSGROUP    rec.arts.books.tolkien (unmoderated)  VOTING    The voting period will begin when this CFV is posted. It will end at   23:59:59 PST March 19, 1993. Votes must be *received* by the   deadline. According to the USENET rules, in order for the group to   be created, at least 2/3 of the votes cast must be "YES" votes, and   there must be at least 100 more "YES" votes than "NO" votes.    Votes must be sent to one of the following two addresses:          [email protected] 	[email protected]    You may simply "reply" to this posting. Each address can accept both   "YES" and "NO" votes. Votes posted to any newsgroup will NOT be   counted.    The subject line should be an unambiguous "yes" or "no" vote (e.g.   "I vote {YES,NO} on the creation of rec.arts.books.tolkien as   proposed"). If the subject line doesn't have such a statement, I   will check the body of the message for the vote.    Please include your full name.    Conditional statements (e.g. "I would vote YES if...") will be   considered comments, not votes. If you wish to make comments, you   are welcome to do so; however, please make sure that your ballot   begins with an unambiguous vote.    No more than one vote may come from any one account; you may not   mail votes on behalf of another person. Each person is permitted to   vote only once, no matter how many accounts he or she might have. If   a single person or account sends more than one vote, the vote with   the latest "sending" time will be the official vote.    I will attempt to acknowledge every vote via EMail (i.e. "Your NO   vote against the creation of rec.arts.books.tolkien has been   received").  There will also be two repeats of this CFV, each of   which will have a full list of voters (without specifying which way   they voted).    If you are unsure whether your vote was received, you may EMail me   at either of the above addresses. However, I cannot divulge the vote   tallies until the end of the voting period. I also cannot answer   questions about the content of the group (other than by mailing a   copy of the charter).  ============================================================  CHARTER     rec.arts.books.tolkien (hereinafter referred to as "The Group")   would be a forum for discussion of all the works of Professor J.R.R.   Tolkien (hereinafter "JRRT"). It would be open to discussion of his   "Middle-earth" works, his scholarly writings, his essays and poetry,   and all other works of JRRT (of whatever nature). The Group would be   open to discussion at any level; for example, discussion of his   "Middle-Earth" works could vary from literary criticism to   philological discussion of the book's languages, or any other topic   bearing on the works.    The Group would also be open for discussion of works by other   authors which relate to JRRT's work (including, but not limited to,   scholarly criticism of his work, supplemental and speculative   writings about his worlds, analyses of the various languages created   by JRRT, and (of course) the elaborate historical material published   by Christopher Tolkien). The group would be open to discussion about   art works which are based on Tolkien's works (e.g. graphic   depictions of scenes from his worlds, musical settings of his   ballads and poetry).  The group would furthermore be open to   discussion about JRRT the man, and how the circumstances of his life   relate to his writing.    The Group would be open to comparisons of Tolkien's works with those   of other authors, e.g. comparing the influence of Christianity   JRRT's writing with its influence on C.S. Lewis's works; comparing   Sauron with Milton's Satan as a figure of evil; etc.  If such a   discussion drifted into a discussion of the other author alone (and   no longer touched on Tolkien), it would no longer be appropriate for   the Group, and participants would be asked to move the discussion to   a more appropriate newsgroup, or to EMail.    Fan fiction would be permitted, provided that it did not violate   anyone's rights or copyrights (especially the rights and copyrights   of the Tolkien estate). Posters of fan fiction would be strongly   encouraged to put the identifying word "FANFIC" in the "subject"   line (to simplify kill-filing). Satire and parody of Tolkien's work   would also be permitted. If the poster could reasonably expect   readers to be offended by the posting, he or she should post it in   rot-13 encryption (i.e. each letter is mapped to the letter 13   places on in the alphabet, so that 'a' becomes 'n', 'b' becomes 'o',   etc.).    Willful and/or repeated spelling of JRRT's name as "Tolkein" would   be punished by brutal sarcasm.  VOTE ACK    As of 3/9/93, 23:59:59 PST, votes have been received from the   following people. If you sent a vote much earlier than that, please   contact me at the voting addresses to make sure your vote was   received.    I attempted to send a confirmation notice to everyone who voted. If   you received a confirmation notice dated on or before 3/9/93 and   your name is not listed here, please contact me immediately.    If a name has a question mark (i.e. "John Smith?"), it means the   post did not include a real name, and I got the name by fingering   the account.    Invalid votes: -------------   Some votes were invalid, for various reasons (usually because the   vote was overly vague). For example, several people sent me messages   which consisted only of the word "yes" or "no", with no mention of   the vote or the group name. These messages *could* have been   intended as votes, but I decided they were invalid.    I made at least one attempt to contact every person who sent me an   invalid vote. Most of those people responded with acceptable votes,   and are listed under the "valid votes" list. Thos who have sent in   invalid votes and have not yet corrected them are listed here.  [email protected]         [email protected]         Robert V. Blumer [email protected]   Fox  Valid votes: -----------  [email protected]                Jason [email protected]                 A.J. 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From [email protected] Mon Mar 29 20:40:42 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Andrew Solovay) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books,rec.arts.sf.written Subject: RESULT: rec.arts.books.tolkien passes 488:109 Followup-To: news.groups Date: 26 Mar 1993 11:09:01 -0500 Organization: 100 Aker Wood Lines: 738 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3388 news.groups:68547 alt.fan.tolkien:3506 rec.arts.books:62950 rec.arts.sf.written:22833  Voting has ended for the proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.arts.books.tolkien. The vote tally was 488 YES votes and 109 NO votes, which is sufficient for newsgroup creation. Details follow.  This post consists of:   A summary and explanation of the results   An explanation of what happens next   A repost of the group's charter   A list of voters, divided into YES and NO, sorted by mailing address   A list of invalid votes  RESULTS:    In order for a newsgroup to be created, the YES votes must outnumber   the NO votes by at least 2 to 1, and the number of YES votes must   exceed the number of NO votes by at least 100.    Number of valid YES votes received:	488   Number of valid NO votes received:	109   YES-NO vote difference:		379 (> 100)   Ratio of YES to NO votes:		4.5 (> 2)    This is adequate for newsgroup creation.  WHAT HAPPENS NEXT:    The group will not be created immediately. The USENET group creation   guidelines call for a 5-day waiting period after the results are   posted, during which time people can raise any appropriate   objections to the vote.     If no irregularities are found which would invalidate the vote, and   if the margin of YES votes remains adequate for group creation, the   moderator of news.announce.newgroups will send out a control message   to create the newsgroup.    The group will follow the charter which was posted in the CFV. A   copy of that charter follows.  CHARTER:    rec.arts.books.tolkien (hereinafter referred to as "The Group")   would be a forum for discussion of all the works of Professor J.R.R.   Tolkien (hereinafter "JRRT"). It would be open to discussion of his   "Middle-earth" works, his scholarly writings, his essays and poetry,   and all other works of JRRT (of whatever nature). The Group would be   open to discussion at any level; for example, discussion of his   "Middle-Earth" works could vary from literary criticism to   philological discussion of the book's languages, or any other topic   bearing on the works.    The Group would also be open for discussion of works by other   authors which relate to JRRT's work (including, but not limited to,   scholarly criticism of his work, supplemental and speculative   writings about his worlds, analyses of the various languages created   by JRRT, and (of course) the elaborate historical material published   by Christopher Tolkien). The group would be open to discussion about   art works which are based on Tolkien's works (e.g. graphic   depictions of scenes from his worlds, musical settings of his   ballads and poetry).  The group would furthermore be open to   discussion about JRRT the man, and how the circumstances of his life   relate to his writing.    The Group would be open to comparisons of Tolkien's works with those   of other authors, e.g. comparing the influence of Christianity   JRRT's writing with its influence on C.S. Lewis's works; comparing   Sauron with Milton's Satan as a figure of evil; etc.  If such a   discussion drifted into a discussion of the other author alone (and   no longer touched on Tolkien), it would no longer be appropriate for   the Group, and participants would be asked to move the discussion to   a more appropriate newsgroup, or to EMail.    Fan fiction would be permitted, provided that it did not violate   anyone's rights or copyrights (especially the rights and copyrights   of the Tolkien estate). Posters of fan fiction would be strongly   encouraged to put the identifying word "FANFIC" in the "subject"   line (to simplify kill-filing). Satire and parody of Tolkien's work   would also be permitted. If the poster could reasonably expect   readers to be offended by the posting, he or she should post it in   rot-13 encryption (i.e. each letter is mapped to the letter 13   places on in the alphabet, so that 'a' becomes 'n', 'b' becomes 'o',   etc.).    Willful and/or repeated spelling of JRRT's name as "Tolkein" would   be punished by brutal sarcasm.  ==========  LIST OF VOTERS:    The voters are sorted by mailing address. If a voter's name ends with   a question mark (e.g. "Suzy Cobol?") it means the mail did not have   the user's full name, and I found the name out by fingering the   account.   YES votes (488) ===============  [email protected]                      [email protected]                      A. J. Harlow [email protected]                        [email protected]                   Bruce Alan Wilson BDUVAL%[email protected]        "Robert D. Duval" [email protected]          Barry Schlesinger [email protected]             Brian Ewald [email protected]               Chris Marble D <[email protected]>              Katherine P. Booth? [email protected]         Dave Shield [email protected]                       David Wright DAVEL%[email protected]          [email protected]                  David Hardin [email protected]                       Dan Triplett [email protected]               Dave Wyble [email protected]             David Empson [email protected]                 Susan Grajek [email protected]                  Halcyon Skinner [email protected]                    Hector Cancela [email protected]       Herbert Leitz [email protected]                    Eric Alfred Burns [email protected]                    Kevin Foss [email protected]                 Elaine Tindill [email protected]                    "J.W.Baxter" [email protected]                   David Purnell [email protected]                 Jeanne R. Kramer? [email protected]                    "Juha M{enp{{, puh. 508 5291" [email protected]                Tawil at'Umr [email protected]                       "James L. Durrell" [email protected]                  John Jenkins [email protected]                     Juhani Polvinen [email protected]            "KELSEY, Michael H." [email protected]       Kay Shapero [email protected]                  "Avraham Leff (1-914-435-5124)" MCCROSKEYED%[email protected]        Erick D. Mccroskey [email protected]      Kenny Armstrong [email protected]                      Mats O. Orrhede [email protected]                         Michael G. LeSeney [email protected]            "Loren J. Miller" [email protected]                 Michael Quinn [email protected]             Michael Norrish [email protected]            Michael P. Colburn NOVOTNYP%[email protected]   Petr Novotny [email protected]                        Patrick S. Clark [email protected]      Patrick Robert Ronan [email protected]                  Anna-Maija Rajakangas [email protected]                         Steve Fagg [email protected]                 "SPROLES" [email protected]      Stefan -Blixten- Karlsson [email protected]                   Tony Zbaraschuk [email protected]                    [email protected]     [email protected]               Wayne Hammond Jr [email protected]            Wilson M. Clements [email protected]                            Carl Patrik Andila [email protected]                            Al Wesolowsky [email protected]                  Michael MacKay [email protected]                         "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" [email protected]                 Jean-Pierre BRAQUELAIRE [email protected]                              Art Willis [email protected]                 Steve C Liu [email protected]                                 Anders G|ransson? [email protected]                      [email protected]             Fermin Revueltas Rodriguez [email protected]             "Fernando Careaga S." [email protected]             Gustavo Cordova Avila [email protected]                     Alan Barksdale [email protected]                     Alex Knight [email protected]                         Anne Louise Gockel [email protected]                 John Allen [email protected]                        Adam Costello [email protected]               Chris Anderson [email protected]                        Andy Thomas [email protected]                        [email protected]                           Annye Scherer [email protected]                           Antti Miettinen [email protected]                        Stephanie da Silva [email protected]                        A.R. Minns [email protected]                  Arthur Chandler [email protected]          Ran Atkinson [email protected]                Ed Bailey [email protected]                         Nathan Bardsley [email protected]                           J. Kintscher [email protected]                   Peter Bell [email protected]                        Bengt Larsson [email protected]                        Magne Bergland [email protected]                       Dwight Everhart [email protected]                       Ronald P. Blanford [email protected]                   Barbara La Scala [email protected]                          Francis Bond [email protected]                            Boon Chye Lee [email protected]                      Peter G. Bouillon [email protected]                        Niels Olof Bouvin [email protected]                    Bram Smits [email protected]                        Anthony Brock [email protected]                           Stan Brown [email protected]                       John C. Ruff [email protected]                  Dan Burnett [email protected]                Max Hsieh [email protected]      Paul Fisahn [email protected]                          Charlie Collins [email protected]                Mark Thomas [email protected]                      David S. Cargo [email protected]                   Carl F. Hostetter [email protected]                   Mike Carney [email protected]                        JULIAN GUTHRIE CASTLE [email protected]      Kai-Uwe Froehlich [email protected]                   John Lindsey [email protected]                       Charles F. Fitzgerald [email protected]                      Grant C. Sterling [email protected]                  C G Kolar [email protected]                   Len Charest [email protected]                   "Conrad Halling" [email protected]                    Chris Cole [email protected]                    Chris Eich [email protected]                        Dr Paul J Mitchell [email protected]                             C G Chute [email protected]              Matt Deter  [email protected]                        Christopher L. Davis [email protected]   "S." Green [email protected]                      Brian Patrick Conners? [email protected]                     John Councill [email protected]                             Bror Heinola [email protected]                 Craig Presson [email protected]                          Craig Bosworth [email protected]               "Stephen A. Creps" [email protected]              Matthew Crosby [email protected]               Craig Strachan [email protected]                   Curt Wiederhoeft [email protected]                       [email protected]                  Fredrik Pihlstr|m [email protected]                    Hans Persson [email protected]                        Frederick Lundberg? [email protected]                        Jan-Erik 2hman? [email protected]                        Thomas Wolmer [email protected]                  Daniel Hollander Colman [email protected]                 Eric A. Seiden [email protected]                       D Anton Sherwood [email protected]                   David A. Smith [email protected]               J.H.M. Dassen [email protected]               Dave Emde [email protected]                   David Schwartz [email protected]                               "David E. Boyce" [email protected]                   David M. M. de Matos [email protected]                      Robert Davis [email protected]                           [email protected]            Dean Pentcheff [email protected]                       Roger DeRoo [email protected]                    Don Faulkner [email protected]                           David G. Kahane [email protected]                    David Hamilton [email protected]                     "Debra Isserlis" [email protected]                   "Dennis Brennan" [email protected]                    Dane Johnson [email protected]                  David Weisberger [email protected]                            David Olsen [email protected]                     Dave Mize [email protected]                Darrell M. Kienzle? [email protected]                     Daniel Silevitch [email protected]                            Des Herriott [email protected]                           Damien P. Neil [email protected]                             Ilya Grigorievich Dricker? 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Woodbury [email protected]                       Brian Gix [email protected]                     Keith Goolsbey [email protected]          David Gorgen [email protected]                   Thomas Gottschalk [email protected]       GP TRENOWDEN [email protected]                [email protected]                          "Ron Griggs, ICS, x5632" [email protected]                   Scott Gust [email protected]                   SADUN, ERICA LIEBMAN [email protected]                   Jay Lofstead [email protected]                        "Philip Guenther" [email protected]                     David Brian Gumminger [email protected]                     Oliver Fink [email protected]                     Timothy "Cage" Hall [email protected]                 Barbara Hamer [email protected]                    Pierre [email protected]                      Hans Mulder [email protected]               Rick Martinez [email protected]                     Yrjo Hatakka [email protected]                 Jim Hayter [email protected]             Heinrich Du Plessis [email protected]                 Vera Heinau [email protected]                          Stud Helge Kvingedal [email protected]               B.J.  03-Mar-1993 1622 [email protected]                   James Masterton [email protected]                     Dean Hinshaw [email protected]                 Jones-evans Dwayne C [email protected]                    Keith Henson [email protected]                      RH Schone [email protected]                   Bruce Hoover [email protected]                    Edward J. Huff [email protected]                   Wayne Iba [email protected]    Bill Chesky [email protected]                      [email protected]                   Jay A. Herlihy? [email protected]             Ruediger Jacob [email protected]                            Jamie Andrews [email protected]                         Jan Ove Liatun [email protected]                Joel Kent Baxter [email protected]                       Joakim Bj|rklund INF [email protected]         James Buckley [email protected]                            James Bumgardner [email protected]                        Jon Burgess [email protected]                             Juergen Christoffel [email protected]                           Julian Bradfield [email protected]                James Alexander Chokey [email protected]                 Julian C. Lander [email protected]                            J Christopher Clarke [email protected]                  "John D. Harper" [email protected]                        Anders Jenski [email protected]                        Jason Edward Purcell [email protected]                 James Farrell [email protected]                        Joel Furr [email protected]                               [email protected]                  Jeff Gostin [email protected]                            John Hawkinson [email protected]                          Jarkko Hietaniemi [email protected]                     Jason Hunter [email protected]                       Jim Gillogly [email protected]                         Jim Humphreys [email protected]                        [email protected]           Jeffrey Jonsson [email protected]                        Joe Kellett [email protected]            Skip Sizemore [email protected]            Jim Mann [email protected]                      Joe Smith [email protected]                    [email protected]                               Jodi Riley [email protected]                           J|rn Hagerup [email protected]                           John Hascall? 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Mason [email protected]                     Claudia Mastroianni [email protected]               Mark Atwood [email protected]                Lynn Bormann [email protected]                        [email protected]                         Malcolm Mladenovic [email protected]                      Mike McConnell [email protected]                  Ken McGlothlen mcmurry%[email protected]             Andrew McMurry [email protected]                  Greg Meyers [email protected]                       Mark P. Fey [email protected]      Michel Forget [email protected]                        Mike Reid [email protected]                        Mike Hatz [email protected]                      Mark Notess [email protected]                         Magnus Holmberg [email protected]            Michael Patra [email protected]                          Nicholas McMurray [email protected]              Michael A. Doncheski [email protected]                          Michael A. Prescott [email protected]               Martin Junius [email protected]                        Martin Merry [email protected]                     Alien [email protected]                  michael kelly [email protected]                      Marc Munoz [email protected]             Merri L Naka [email protected]                Craig Levin [email protected]                Scott M. Rogala [email protected]                      Michael Pope [email protected]                      Milind Gandhe [email protected]                        PETTERSEN Mike [email protected]             michael roark [email protected]                   "Michael S. Schiffer" [email protected]                Mike Suzio [email protected]                       Michael C Voorhis [email protected]                              "Rheal (R.J.) Nadeau" [email protected]                        Jeremy Walton [email protected]                     Vitaly Shmatikov [email protected]                  Norm Joslin [email protected]                    Yoshinori Okamoto [email protected]              David Paist [email protected]                       Paul Adams [email protected]                   Paul A Gunderson [email protected]                             "Paul (P.A.) Valin" [email protected]               Dan'l Danehy-Oakes [email protected]                Peder Langlo [email protected]                             Petteri Lindberg [email protected]                               "Per Lindberg" [email protected]                      Dan Peters [email protected]                         Peter van Rossum [email protected]                     Patricia Evans [email protected]                  "V. Phaniraj" [email protected]                             Phiber Optik [email protected]                   Damien R. Sullivan [email protected]              Dave Weingart [email protected]                  Scott Pierpont [email protected]                   Peter Boulay [email protected]                 Patrick Fitzgerald [email protected]                    Sari H Polvinen [email protected]     Alan Beale [email protected]                           Petri Peltonen [email protected]                   Kristiina Prauda [email protected]              Peter King [email protected]                            Peter V. Vorobieff [email protected]                           Perdita Stevens [email protected]                Geoffrey E. Quelch [email protected]                          Daniel E. Rabin [email protected]                              Paul Rabin [email protected]              Rachel Meredith Kadel [email protected]                            Olaf Weber [email protected]                           Rene Boe Soerensen [email protected]                           Robert E. Vogel [email protected]                      Charles Rezk [email protected]                            Richard F. Drushel [email protected]                  Ruben Areyzaga [email protected]                     R Kamal [email protected]               Rich Carreiro [email protected]                        Roger Leroux [email protected]                        Roberta L Taylor [email protected]                           Jo Churcher [email protected]                     Bob Nichols [email protected]                       Roderick Lee [email protected]                  John W. Vargas [email protected]                    Kyle Ray Roberson [email protected]                        Robert Henderson [email protected]                      Ronen Altman [email protected]                           "Ronnie B. Kon" [email protected]                       Rod Shelton [email protected]              Roger Squires [email protected]                     Ross Thomas Bunker [email protected]                     Richard Wang [email protected]                   Steven M. Latour [email protected]                 Guinevere Marie Boostrom? [email protected]                       Sam Warden [email protected]                     Daan Sandee [email protected]                         Sunil Chitre [email protected]              BCFD #36 [email protected]                    Bill Seurer [email protected]                      Scott Drellishak [email protected]             Stan M Gerbig [email protected]            timothy shimeall [email protected]                  Doc [email protected]                           Vernon Siler [email protected]                  "Julia Simon" [email protected]                   Glyn Simpson [email protected]                 Si Rowe [email protected]           Seth J. Morabito [email protected]                         Stephen Joseph Smith [email protected]               Seth L. Blumberg? [email protected]              stephen macmanus [email protected]                               Janne Snabb [email protected]                       lars soepstad [email protected]                         Andrew Solovay [email protected]                  Brad A. Spencer [email protected]                Steven Miale? [email protected]         Sahana Priyanath [email protected]         Sara L Shriner [email protected]                     [email protected]             Peter Boulter [email protected]             Steve Coltrin [email protected]                      Bob Myers [email protected]                Chris Thompson [email protected]                   Stu Labovitz [email protected]                     S Butterfield [email protected]                             Franklin Suo [email protected]               Nathan Tenny [email protected]                             David Reeve Sward [email protected]                   Sascha Wildner [email protected]                      Szymon Sokol [email protected]                 Erik Trulsson [email protected]                     Tami Dawn Kimmel [email protected]                   Terri Oberkamper [email protected]                      Terry Dawson [email protected]                                Timothy Walker [email protected]         Cindy Tittle Moore [email protected]                          Tom Koelman [email protected]own.edu                           T. M. Murali [email protected]                           Todd Steigerwald [email protected]                      Tommi Orpana? [email protected]               Richard Wise [email protected]   Michael C. Leap [email protected]               Tao R or Stephen L [email protected]                       [email protected]                 Todd Snow [email protected]                     Tero Tiittanen [email protected]                              Tom Kronmiller [email protected]                      Bruce Tyers [email protected]                  Tyrone Jude Joseph ONeill? [email protected]   Peter Umgelter? uunet!MeMyAm!meggers                       Markus Eggers uunet!atlantis!aaron                       Aaron Humphrey uunet!decwrl!decvax!gatech!nj8j.blackwlf.mese.com!ben    Ben Coleman uunet!decwrl!decvax!nj8j.blackwlf.mese.com!ben   Ben Coleman uunet!impmh!dsg                            Dave Gordon uunet!uflorida!sinkhole!junix!msmirl       Melinda Smirl [email protected]                         	Mark Vernon - DSB	 [email protected]          Jens-S. Voeckler [email protected]                 Ulf Bahrenfuss [email protected]                        [email protected]          Markus Wenzel [email protected]                  Bill Taylor? [email protected]                    Didier Willis [email protected]          "William M. Perry" [email protected]                            Kynek Med [email protected]              "Yvonne Y. Yang" [email protected]                Zeeshan Hasan [email protected]                 Sherrie Zeoli [email protected]               Carsten Zimmer [email protected]              "Zach Kessin"  NO votes (109) ==============  [email protected]                     [email protected]                     Christopher L. Lott [email protected]                      [email protected]               Jose Martinez? [email protected]                       Greg Morrow [email protected]                      "M. Otto" [email protected]             Mad City Blues [email protected]                        [email protected]                  [email protected]                       "Cole Kendall" [email protected]                     Jeffrey Johnson? [email protected]               Arthur Rubin [email protected]                       Jun Akiyama [email protected]             Jesus Eugenio S nchez Pe~a [email protected]                   Amberle Ferrian [email protected]                       Andrew Finkenstadt [email protected]                       "Andrew C. Plotkin" [email protected]                           David Barr [email protected]                         Brian TroxeLL [email protected]                        Jan Brittenson [email protected]                              Burt N Holzman [email protected]                  Rob Caplan [email protected]                      Dave Carr [email protected]                       Charlie Hancock charles%[email protected]               Charles Emmons [email protected]                                Christopher Davis [email protected]                     Dale A Smoak [email protected]                    Tom Culliton x2278 [email protected]                          The One True Dave [email protected]                       David Fiander [email protected]                      David Mosher [email protected]                Bryant Durrell [email protected]                                Edward Bertsch [email protected]                  Ed Blachman x4420 [email protected]                     "Eric J. Olson" [email protected]                  Ed McGuire [email protected]                  Emma Pease [email protected]                     James Hague [email protected]                          Fred Zimmerman [email protected]                   Bill Garrett [email protected]                  Geoff Bronner [email protected]                   Stephen Graham [email protected]                          Anders H}kon Gulla [email protected]                   Brian Hughes [email protected]                           Robert Hansen [email protected]                        Heidi Wolf [email protected]                           Steve Hollasch [email protected]                   Thomas Koenig [email protected]                       Jan Isley [email protected]                         jerry cullingford [email protected]                      John Duncan [email protected]                   Jeff Williamson [email protected]                       "Jonathan R. Ferro" [email protected]                 John Hopkins [email protected]                      Joel Hanes [email protected]                     Jay Maynard [email protected]                     John McKernan [email protected]                           Joel Sax [email protected]                     Jeffrey C Spencer [email protected]                               Jussi-Ville Heiskanen [email protected]         Roland Kaltefleiter [email protected]                    Keith Morgan? [email protected]                             Jim Kasprzak? [email protected]                      Brian Kenney [email protected]                      Taki Kogoma [email protected]                             Stephen Lau [email protected]                          Larry Gainor [email protected]                     Gerry Swetsky [email protected]                           "John E. Krokes" [email protected]                           Mark Mavroudis [email protected]               Vance Maverick [email protected]                        Alayne McGregor [email protected]             Sigurd Meldal [email protected]                          James B. Whitmore [email protected]                Mike Minnotte [email protected]                         Mark Taranto [email protected]                   Meg Worley [email protected]    [email protected]                  Paul McGuire [email protected]                    Felan shena Thoron'edras [email protected]              Joel Plutchak [email protected]                   Aaron Pulkka [email protected]                    Joshua Randall [email protected]               Richard H. Miller [email protected]                       "Richard L. Butler" [email protected]                            Robert Grumbine [email protected]                            R M Price [email protected]             Mike Arms [email protected]                           "Dave V. Schaller" [email protected]                     Bart Sears [email protected]                        Sheila Herndon [email protected]                     Marc Moorcroft [email protected]                          Subrata Sircar [email protected]                        "Sven M. Heinicke" [email protected]                    Stan Friesen [email protected]                   Paul Robinson [email protected]                         Elaine Thompson [email protected]              Ted Koppel [email protected]                    Stephen C. Trier [email protected]                  Tom Galloway [email protected]                         Vince Guinto [email protected]                           Vivek Kalra [email protected]                    David Wald [email protected]                  Michael Warning [email protected]                    John Werner [email protected]                        MICHAEL WISE [email protected]                Jan Yarnot [email protected]                Patrick Tufts [email protected]                     Scott E Flowers  INVALID VOTES (7) =================    A few votes were invalid. I made at least one attempt to contact   every person who cast an invalid ballot. Some of these people   responded with valid votes; the following people did not.  [email protected]   Sent me a copy of the CFV, but did not include a YES or NO vote.  [email protected] (Robert V. Blumer)   Sent mail with subject "Re: CFV: rec.arts.books.tolkien", but no YES   or NO vote.  [email protected] (Fox)    Sent mail with subject "no", no text in body (except for sig block);   mail did not mention group or vote.  [email protected] (Gregory Lawrence Romano)   Sent mail with subject "YES!!!", no text in body; mail did not   mention group or vote.  [email protected]  (Randy Goldberg, MS96, New York Med)   YES vote not from valid account.  [email protected] (Rich Hart 1-4822 PAGER 20-1127)   Sent mail with subject "Reply is NO", body text was "NO"; mail did   not mention group or vote.  [email protected] (CAMERMAN FILIP)   Sent mail with subject "Re: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK:   rec.arts.books.tolkien", no text in body; mail did not contain a YES   or NO vote. --  Andrew M. Solovay      "I have been Foolish and Deluded,   and I am a Bear of No Brain at All."     -- Pooh  
 
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