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Message-ID: <[email protected]> From: [email protected] Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.announce, rec.arts.sf.misc Subject: Rec.arts.sf groups, an introduction Summary: Last modified Jan 12, 2006 Reply-To: [email protected] Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:21:15 GMT  Archive-name: sf/groups-intro  Recent changes:   Jan 12, 2006: Changed Ansible archive location to 			http://news.ansible.co.uk/   Dec 31, 2004: Added alt.books.jack-chalker, and a note to 		  alt.fan.nathan.brazil about the new group.   Sep 12, 2004: Changed subscription info for Bujold mailing list 		Also changed one-liner description of rec.music.filk to 		  have the URL to a filk FAQ with information about the 		  newsgroup.  Send questions and updates or comments to: [email protected]   1. What does the 'sf' in 'rec.arts.sf.*' mean? 2. What rec.arts.sf.* groups are available? 3. What other 'sf' groups are available? 4. What mailing lists are there for similar topics? 5. What other resources are available on the net (WWW, gopher, etc)? 6. What are the current charters for the groups under rec.arts.sf.*?  1. What does the 'sf' in 'rec.arts.sf.*' mean?   The 'sf' means 'Speculative Fiction'.  According to the call for votes that created the original hierarchy, this was defined as: Both science fiction and fantasy, as well as that vast blurred mass of material in between.  2. What rec.arts.sf.* groups are available?  Here's a short, one-line-per-group listing of the groups:  rec.arts.sf.misc	Replaces rec.arts.sf-lovers as the catch-all rec.arts.sf.announce 	Announcements (moderated: [email protected]) rec.arts.sf.composition	Discussion about writing speculative fiction rec.arts.sf.fandom	Fannish activities, cons, etc. rec.arts.sf.marketplace	Personal for-sale notices rec.arts.sf.movies	SF movies that don't have their own groups rec.arts.sf.reviews	Reviews of sf/fantasy/horror works (Moderated) rec.arts.sf.science	Science and theory related to sf rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting Topics relating to Star Wars collecting rec.arts.sf.starwars.games      SW games: RPG, computer, card, etc. rec.arts.sf.starwars.info       General information about SW (Moderated) rec.arts.sf.starwars.misc       Miscellaneous topics about SW rec.arts.sf.superman	Discussion of Superman rec.arts.sf.tv		SF tv shows that don't have their own groups rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5	Discussion about the Babylon 5 TV show rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.info Info about Babylon 5 (Moderated) rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated	Moderated rec.arts.sf.tv.quantum-leap    Quantum Leap TV, comics, cons, etc. rec.arts.sf.written	Novels, stories, etc. rec.arts.sf.written.robert-jordan	Books by Robert Jordan  3. What other 'sf' groups are available?   rec.arts.books.tolkien   rec.arts.drwho 	Discussions about the movies, the show, and anything and everything 	related to Dr. Who.   rec.arts.drwho.moderated   rec.arts.startrek.info. 	A distillation of news and information about Star Trek, including 	synopses of new episodes, convention reports, station airing times 	around the US and the world, and other tidbits of factual information 	about Trek.  	Moderated: send submissions to [email protected]; questions 		or comments should be sent to 		[email protected]   rec.arts.startrek.current   rec.arts.startrek.fandom   rec.arts.startrek.misc   rec.arts.startrek.tech 	Star Trek, all shows, movies, books, etc, related to the original 	show.  There's a monthly informational posting in those groups and 	news.answers and rec.answers which describes the groups in detail.   rec.music.filk  See http://home.earthlink.net/~kayshapero/filkfaq.htm 	for information on filking and the newsgroup.   alt.binaries.multimedia.xena-herc   alt.books.arthur-clarke   alt.books.david-weber   alt.books.deryni   alt.books.isaac-asimov   alt.books.jack-chalker   alt.books.larry-niven   alt.books.m-lackey   alt.books.moorcock   alt.books.phil-k-dick   alt.books.terry-goodkind	The works of Terry Goodkind.   alt.books.terry-brooks	Discussion of Terry Brooks Works   alt.cyberpunk   alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo 	Virtual reality  via prose interaction.   alt.fan.created-worlds	Discussion of published/televised worlds.   alt.fan.douglas-adams   alt.fan.eddings   alt.fan.heinlein   alt.fan.nathan-brazil 	Jack Chalker discussion, especially of the Well World series. 	(Nathan Brazil is the primary character in the Well World stories.) 	(This has mostly been superseded by alt.books.jack-chalker.)   alt.fan.pern 	McCaffrey's Pern; also some discussions of her other books.   alt.fan.piers-anthony   alt.fan.pratchett   alt.fan.tolkien   alt.fandom.cons   alt.fandom.misc   alt.fantasy.conan	Robert E. Howard's characters, principally Conan.   alt.fantasy.er-burroughs	Edgar Rice Burroughs' works.   alt.galactic-guide 	An attempt to write a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, inspired by 	Douglas Adams.  Ongoing for several years.   alt.sf4m 	A Science Fiction Forum.   alt.tv.hercules	Discussion of HERCULES: THE LEGENDARY JOURNEYS.   alt.tv.red-dwarf   alt.tv.xena	Discussion of XENA: WARRIOR PRINCESS.   alt.tv.xena-subtext	Discusion of the subtext in X:WP.  4. What mailing lists are there for similar topics?    Good question; I don't know, for the most part.  But I'll be adding them as people tell me about them, and I believe there's a posting that lists them, that I'll try to get permission to use.  [email protected] (SF-Lovers Digest)   Moderated, medium-to-high traffic.  This is gatewayed to/from   some of the newsgroups: .written, .tv, .babylon5(.info), .movies,   .reviews, .announce, .fandom, and .misc all feed into the Digest,   while .written, .tv, .babylon5, .movies, and .misc are gatewayed.   (There are actually a collection of lists.)   For subscriptions or questions, send mail to:   		[email protected]    [email protected]   SMOFS deals with convention-running. A low-traffic list.   To get on smofs, send mail to [email protected]  However,   you should not join this list unless you have some experience with   con-running.  It's not a general purpose mailing list.  ======== [email protected]    - Filk music in the UK  To subscribe, send an Email to [email protected] with  SUBSCRIBE FILK_UK  in the text body, or go to http://www.filklore.com/filk_uk.html  The mail-lists are hosted by a BBS, which serves as a Fidonet/Internet gateway for UK SF fans, and are themselves gated to related Fidonet echoes. ======== Lois Bujold Discussion List ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Lois McMaster Bujold Mailing List exists to allow discussion of the works of Lois Bujold. If you wish to join the list send an email to [email protected] with subject blank and message body of SUBSCRIBE LOIS-BUJOLD Miles Vorkosigan (assuming your name is Miles Vorkosigan if it isn't, substitute your own name instead, not your email address).  To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit 	http://lists.herald.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/lois-bujold or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to 	[email protected]  You can reach the person managing the list at 	[email protected]  Mercedes Lackey Discussion List ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Mercedes Lackey Mailing List exists to allow discussion of the works of Mercedes Lackey. If you wish to join the list send an email to [email protected] with subject blank and message body of SUBSCRIBE MERCEDES-LACKEY Vanyel Ashkevron (assuming your name is Vanyel Ashkevron if it isn't, substitute your own name instead, not your email address). ======== tolkien-events and tolkien-sales,  to subscribe to either, send an email message of the usual form to [email protected] or for help with subscribing write to Pat Reynolds - [email protected] ======== There is an SF-list run at :  [email protected]  subscribe sf-list yourname  The list owner (Morgan Bottrell) must add you manually to the list.  There is a 'fantasy' list run by the same person, with the same directions (use 'fantasy' instead of 'sf-list') - or so I presume; I wasn't given more exact instructions.  ======== The Liaden Unverse interest list can be written to at [email protected] to subscribe; this is concerned with the works of Sharon Lee and Steve Miller. ======== There's a mailing list for writers, SFnF-Writers.  To subscribe, send         subscribe sfnf-writers to         [email protected]  ======== [email protected] (SF News)   Moderated, low traffic. Compiles news on all manner of speculative fiction, in all media, from various USENET, mail, and WWW sources and reader contributions. Archives available at http://www.technopagan.org/sf-news/   To subscribe, send mail to [email protected] with "subscribe sf-news" in the message body.  ======== SciFi_Discussion  The description of this mailing list is:  This List is intended for the discussion of Science Fiction (speculative fiction). Whether you just like to read it or write it, feel free to join in. The only proviso is that all discussions be kept mature and polite. Posting of story ideas is welcome.  Criticism should be well thought out &  constructive! Tips on gaining publication are a plus! Feel free to discuss new authors or old. If you know of SciFi authors with websites, feel free to post them. Without readership, authors have no outlet for their ideas.  You can join this list by going to the following web page:       http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/SciFi_Discussion ========  Dedicated to Laurell K. Hamilton's works (dark fantasy) (name not given). The details are at http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/9071/welcome.html  ======== The list, [email protected]  Fantasy & Science Fiction discussion list, has changed subscribtion and mailing addresses.  New details:  [email protected]  Fantasy & Science Fiction discussion list   To subscribe send a blank email to [email protected]   FSF is a friendly spam and flame free mailing list for the discussion of anything fantasy or SF related.  New opinions are always welcome. The emphasis is on friendly (dis)agreement.  We have participents in many different countries around the world.   The list has an archive of previous posts at http://www.one.list.com/archives.cgi/fsf-list   To read the list FAQ go to http://www.solarflare.freeseve.co.uk/fsf/index.html ======== The Research Triangle SF Society has an email list for discussion of all things sf-related (although the topics do wander pretty far afield sometimes!).  It's primarily for folks in central North Carolina, but others are always welcome.   To subscribe, send email with a blank subject line to: [email protected]  In the body of the message, type: subscribe rtsfs yourname  ----- 5. What other resources are available on the net (WWW, gopher, etc)?  Please feel free to send me any URLs you might have, and a description of what's available at that URL.  SF-Lovers web pages: http://sflovers.rutgers.edu/   (Related to the SF-Lovers Digest list described above in 4; archives    are available through this.  Also available are links to a lot of    other SF-related sites, including author home pages.) ----- The SF archive at Lysator:  	WWW:	http://sf.www.lysator.liu.se/sf_archive/sf_main.html 	gopher: gopher.lysator.liu.se 	ftp:	ftp.lysator.liu.se, /pub/sf-texts ----- WWW sites related to Mercedes Lackey: http://www.herald.co.uk/local_info/lackey_list.html http://www.herald.co.uk/local_info/lackey_faq.html http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/ism/lackey/lackey.html  WWW sites related to Lois McMasters Bujold: The Bujold Nexus at http://www.dendarii.com/  The Bujold Nexus contains information about and pointers to other sites with info on Lois. It is the authorised Bujold Web site, and Lois often contributes snippets.  It is mirrored at www.dendarii.demon.co.uk/Bujold/ ----- Hugo award winner Ansible is archived at http://news.ansible.co.uk/  Harper Collins has an excellent site at http://www.harpercollins.co.uk/voyager/ ----- A Science Fiction Resource Guide.  Covers almost everything there is in the net on Science Fiction and Fantasy.  Includes links to most author and genre FAQs, movies, TV, creative writings...you name it, it's probably there!  http://sflovers.rutgers.edu/Web/SFRG/ -----  sflovers.rutgers.edu is a ftp site with contains SF related stuff. Includes archives of their SF-Digest, various genre FAQs and a bibiography of authors' books.  ftp: anonymous ftp to sflovers.rutgers.edu  -----  WWW FAQ on Isaac Asimov.  This is an extensive FAQ on Isaac Asimov.  It covers both his writing and his personal life.  Contains pointers on other stuff on Asimov on the net; bibliographies, some reviews and miscellanous items.  A ASCII-based FAQ is also posted monthly on the newsgroup alt.books.isaac-asimov.  BTW, a pointer to this FAQ is included in the SF Resource Guide so you need not include this in your intro.  The reason I'm putting this here is because I worked on the FAQ...};-)  www: http://www.lightside.com/SpecialInterest/asimov/asimov-faq.html  -----  Del Rey books have a gopher site.  The DRIN (Del Rey Internet Newsletter) is archived there, as well as FAQs related to Del Rey. Excerpts of upcoming books can be found here.    gopher: panix.com (under subdirectory Del Rey Books) www   : gopher://gopher.panix.com/11/DRB  There is also a Del Rey website:  http://www.randomhouse.com/delrey/  -----  Information about Tor Books can be found at www.tor.com -- this is a  huge installation featuring information about forthcoming books, sample  chapters from some of them, announcements of interest, and links to  bookstores, other sf publishers, sf online, and author home pages.  -----  Internet Book Information Centre (IBIC).  A information center for general books, but includes points to genre specific stuff.  www: http://sunsite.unc.edu/ibic/IBIC-homepage.html  -----  The Stilyagi Air Corps Calendar.  It's a listing of SF/F Conventions, and "Stilyagi Parties" (Gatherings of Michigan fandom at people's homes that are open to the public.)  The list is maintained by Chad Childers, and is kept current.  (*MUCH* more so than the convention listing at Lysator!) 	http://www.stilyagi.org/con.list.html  -----  Authors of the Liaden Universe homepage: http://www.korval.com/liad.htm  -----  A site dedicated to Marion Zimmer Bradley and to the Darkover series:  In English: http://www.ceremade.dauphine.fr/~rossi/darkover/index.uk.html  In French: http://www.ceremade.dauphine.fr/~rossi/darkover/index.html  -----  Science Fiction Weekly is the leading electronic publication covering  the world of science fiction. They cover news, reviews, original artwork  and celebrity interviews, and they are freely available on the World Wide  Web at:     http://www.scifiweekly.com  They are currently published in conjunction with the Sci-Fi Channel, although the editorial content is produced independent of the  Sci-Fi Channel and its staff.  -----  There's an on-line writer's workshop/critique group:         http://www.critique.org/users/critters  -----  A world wide web page on Internet Info about the Hitchhiker's  Guide to the Galaxy: http://www.angelfire.com/md/yorkminor/    -----  URL   http://www.smof.com  What's there: European SF Convention listing and various articles on  convention running which are being continually updated and new additions  are welcome. The Intersection post-con analysis "Another Fine Nessie"  should be there, as well.  contact: [email protected]  -----  Off of http://www.xenite.org/index.htm, there are:  alt.tv.hercules FAQ:  http://www.xenite.org/faqs/hercfaq.htm Soon-to-be if not already there: FAQ for alt.binaries.multimedia.xena-herc XENA ONLINE RESOURCES: http://www.xenite.org/xenaonln.htm   with over 300 URLs for fans of HECRULES and XENA (and even fans of Bruce   Campbell/"Army of Darkness"). Witch World Page: http://www.xenite.org/witchwor.htm Witch World Message Board: http://www.xenite.org/boards/witchwor.html  -----  		New England Science Fiction Association 			http://www.nesfa.org  		Los Angeles Science Fantasy Society 			http://www.lasfs.org   	These are both fannish organizations (volunteer,  	not-for-profit) each runs an annual regional convention. 	LASFS runs the occasional World Con  -----  The SF-Lovers Convention List, containing listings of conventions all over the world.   The URL is: http://sflovers.rutgers.edu/Web/cons.html  -----  The Fannish Email Directory:  http://www.osfci.org/fannish.net.txt  6. What are the current charters for the groups under rec.arts.sf.*?  Here's a list, in the same order as the groups appear in the list in question 2.  I use the word 'current' because, while most of these haven't changed since the dawn of creation, the rec.arts.sf.reviews one has changed to include a new submission address.  rec.arts.sf.misc      Charter: Group rec.arts.sf.misc will be the general-purpose               and spillover group for science fiction and fantasy 	      discussions that do not find a more specific subgroup  	      under rec.arts.sf.*, or that would otherwise require  	      wide crossposting among the other subgroups.  rec.arts.sf.announce (moderated, <[email protected]>)      Charter: (moderated) Announcements of happenings in the               SF world, such as cons, including calls for con               participation, readings, deaths, honors, new SF               mailing lists, periodic postings of rec.arts.sf               subgroup charters and other administrivia,               signings, TV specials, meetings, shop openings and               closings, etc. Not for personal or commercial ads.      Send submissions to: [email protected]; questions to 	the moderator address above.  rec.arts.sf.composition       Charter: Before discussing the newsgroup, one must define 'sf', for  	      which I refer to the original CFV for the group that created  	      the rec.arts.sf.* hierarchy:  "Both science fiction and  	      fantasy, as well as that vast blurred mass of material in  	      between."  This charter mirrors the position of the HWA:   	      Horror is an emotion, not a genre.  If the Horror takes place  	      in a speculative fiction book, it can be discussed in an sf 	      newsgroup.  	      The rec.arts.sf.composition newsgroup would include, but not be  	      limited to the following types of discussion:  	      General writing questions, to be answered from the sf  	      perspective.  This includes market research, submission  	      format and discussions on the process of writing itself, 	      as it connects with the writing of sf.  	      Discussion of the process of writing speculative fiction  	      between professionals, aspiring writers or the merely interested.  	      Discussion of the methods and processes of worldbuilding,  	      the creation of new, alternate or historically-based worlds 	      in which speculative fiction is often set.  	      This newsgroup is not meant to replace or significantly  	      overlap other groups.  As such, topics that are on-topic  	      and useful in other groups should be kept to those groups.   	      That would include, but not be limited to the following 	      exclusions:  	      Discussion connected to writing, but not specifically 	      to sf, nor with an important sf slant should be posted 	      in misc.writing.  	      Discussion about the science used in speculative fiction 	      should be posted to rec.arts.sf.science.      	      Discussion of existing written work should be left to 	      rec.arts.sf.written.  	      As well, the charter specifically excludes the posting of work  	      unless that posting is specifically related to a topic that is 	      being discussed, and is used in that context, and quoted briefly. 	      Posting of work to be read and/or critiqued is excluded from the 	      charter of this newsgroup, for a number of reasons.  For  	      those who wish to avail themselves of the group's resources, a  	      specially marked header, "CRIT:  " will be used to post short  	      requests for critiquing or reading, with all followups directed  	      to email, the poster's web page, rec.arts.prose, or any other 	      valid forum, rather than the newsgroup.  	      As for advertising, overt advertising is excluded from the  	      group, particularly off-topic overt advertising (the kind that  	      doesn't care what this charter says anyway).  Tactful, brief,  	      infrequently posted references to information that can be  	      found elsewhere will be tolerated, but advertisers must tread  	      that fine line carefully if they wish to avoid flamage from  	      ad-hating regulars.  rec.arts.sf.fandom      Charter: Discussions of fannish activities; meant to provide               a new home for the SF-related part of the traffic               currently posted to alt.fandom.* and similar               postings current in rec.arts.sf-lovers.  rec.arts.sf.marketplace      Charter: A place for personal wanted-to-buy and for-sale ads               for SF related materials.  Personal ads only;               commercial ads belong in comp.newprod or commercial               advertising channels, not elsewhere on USENet.  Do               NOT crosspost ads; those looking to buy or sell SF               stuff will be reading this group and just annoyed               by ads mixed in elsewhere.  rec.arts.sf.movies      Charter: Discussions of all aspects of SF related movies not               otherwise covered in more specific groups (such as               the Star Trek group).  Specifically includes               screenplays looking for producers, and discussions               of novelizations as compared to the movie base;               discussion of novelizations independent of the                related movie belong in .written.  rec.arts.sf.reviews (moderated) 	Charter: Reviews and critical discussion of SF/fantasy/horror  		 works.  Works include novels, short fiction, movies, 		 music, periodicals, art, etc., that are of interest to 		 the SF community.  Reviews are expected to conform to 		 the guidelines in the FAQ "Welcome to rec.arts.sf.reviews" 		 posted to the group periodically and available by 		 anonymous FTP on the host net.bio.net [134.172.2.69] 		 (file: sf-reviews/welcome).  Archives of the group are also 		 available on net.bio.net in the directory misc/sf-reviews.   		 Submissions should be sent to [email protected]; 		 comments to the moderators should be sent to 		 [email protected]  rec.arts.sf.science      Charter: A home for the spinoff discussion of real and               speculative science and sometimes about how the               laws of science could be used in creating new SF               universes.    rec.arts.sf.tv      Charter: A group for discussing general television SF, both               live acted and cartoons.  Note that some tv shows, 	      (such as Dr. Who and Star Trek) have their own 	      specialized newsgroups as well.  rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5      Charter: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5 is to be an unmoderated newgroup 	      dedicated to the following topics:                * The plots and characters of "Babylon 5" episodes.               * The possible ties between episodes in the 5-year story arc               * The special-effects techniques and technology               * Musings and speculations about where the show is going.               * AND NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT story ideas and/or fan-fiction.  	      J. Michael Straczynski, Babylon 5's creator, (hereafter: JMS) 	      has stated flatly that for legal reasons that if any story 	      ideas appear on a "B5" newsgroup he will be forced to leave the 	      electronic forum. This would be, to our reckoning, a 	      net.tragedy, and is to be avoided at all costs.  	      Solutions such as forfeiture of copyrights to JMS with all 	      postings, etc, have been considered, but ultimately rejected. 	      This forum can only survive through the good will of its users, 	      PLEASE do not destroy it for the rest of us.  	      In the event of legal action in the future resulting from 	      someone's disregard of this rule, I offer myself, Brian Badger, 	      to be subpoenaed to testify as to the nature of this charter, 	      and its prohibition.  It's an ugly job...  rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.info 	Charter: The purpose of this group is to provide an uncluttered 	      resource of information and news pertaining to the television 	      program _Babylon 5_. rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.info is a 	      moderated newsgroup, which means that all articles must be 	      submitted to the moderator for approval before they will be 	      posted.  Articles appearing in this newsgroup should generally 	      fall into one of the following categories:  	      1) Official press releases and notices pointing to coverage 	      of _Babylon 5_ in the media (but copies of copyrighted 	      material *only* with expressed permission), and announcements 	      of B5-related events such as conventions and star appearances.  	      2) Episode schedules, guides and summaries, and announcements 	      of airing time changes.  	      3) Announcements, commentary and background material on 	      _Babylon 5_ from J. Michael Straczynski, the show's 	      executive producer.  This will include compilations of 	      his writings from online services such as GEnie and 	      CompuServe and very selective repostings of substantial 	      commentary from rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.  The latter 	      category will specifically *not* include his short answers 	      about details of past episodes.  	      4) Other material believed by the moderators to be of interest 	      to a broad base of B5 fans.  	      Volume should not exceed a few messages a day.  	      Submit proposed articles to: 	  	     [email protected]  rec.arts.sf.tv.quantum-leap      Charter: rec.arts.sf.tv.quantum-leap will be designed to create a specific 	      forum for discussing the many aspects of the Quantum Leap 	      television series, which is now in syndication on two cable 	      networks.  The aspects that can be talked about are (but are 	      not limited to) the television program, the comic book, QL 	      conventions, the video releases, and whatever else can be found 	      to talk about between the "Leapers."  Now, the group will be 	      unmoderated to allow more freedom on what can be talked about. 	      There has, as of late, been a considerable amount of QL traffic on 	      rec.arts.sf.tv.  Perhaps the new newsgroup would allow more 	      space for other discussion on rec.arts.sf.tv, and 	      rec.arts.sf.tv.quantum-leap would be an exclusive place for 	      Leapers to talk.  Also, many Usenet sites do not have Alt.ql 	      creative as a group choice and, therefore, do not know of the 	      existance of QL discussion.   rec.arts.sf.written      Charter: A group for discussing the general SF which is seen               by its audience in written form, whether printed or               online.  Note that many more specific groups in               rec.arts.sf.* exist to pull some traffic from this               group, but in general, this is where new releases               are discussed, informal reviews given, continuity               topics discussed, authors compared, and is the               starting point for many threads which should               eventually be moved to more appropriate groups.               (Please cooperate when the call is put forward to               move a discussion to a more specific group.)   rec.arts.sf.written.robert-jordan      Charter: This newsgroup, rec.arts.sf.written.robert-jordan, was               created in July 1994 for the discussion of books written               by contemporary author Robert Jordan.  In particular, this               newsgroup is concerned with his ongoing "Wheel of Time"               series, but also covers past and future works by him.               Fandom is specifically included within the purview of this               charter.  The group is unmoderated.   Leanne Phillips "Do not meddle with the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger."  (I don't want to hear other versions.  I've heard them all before.) Words to live by: "Violence is the refuge of the incompetent." 	(Yes, I know it isn't right; it's deliberate.) --  Leanne We have tasted fear./We have breathed in grief. We have swum in hate./We have witnessed strength. - Last verse of my poem in memoriam of the September 11 tragedy.