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From [email protected] Sat Apr  4 02:43:12 1992 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:1733 news.groups:37201 alt.humor.oracle:467 rec.humor.d:4273 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.humor.oracle,rec.humor.d Path: rpi!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Michael Nolan) Subject: RFD:  rec.humor.oracle moderated and rec.humor.oracle.d Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Organization: Tailored Software Services, Inc. Date: 13 Jan 92 16:15:02 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 133  This was initially discussed in October, but because of a mailer problem with the site which was going to collect the votes it was not brought to a vote at that time.  Steve Kinzler has requested that we reissue the RFD.  Most of this was originally written by Steve, but I have made some modifications.   Request for Discussion             Reissued 01/11/92  ======= === ==========  GROUP:  rec.humor.oracle, replacing alt.humor.oracle  STATUS: moderated  INITIAL MODERATOR: Steve Kinzler ([email protected])  PURPOSE:  For postings of the Usenet Oracularities Digest at a maximum     frequency of one every two days, periodic information postings, and     announcements from the moderator.  -------------------------- GROUP:  rec.humor.oracle.d   STATUS: unmoderated  PURPOSE:  For discussion of the Usenet Oracle among its participants.  ---------------------------  What's the Usenet Oracle?  Briefly and primarily, it's a means to support a cooperative effort for creative, original humor.  Software currently on iuvax.cs.indiana.edu accepts e-mail containing "questions for the all-knowing Oracle".  The software sends out these questions to other questioners to be answered, and then forwards the answer to the original questioners, all anonymously.  Copies of the resulting questions/answers are forwarded to volunteers for review and selection for publication in the Usenet Oracularities.  Readers are invited to rate the published Oracularities, and the results are included in a later issue.  The persons who wrote the question and answer are notified by e-mail of the score that their joint efforts produced.  Every couple of months, the very best  questions/answers are submitted to rec.humor.funny.  The Usenet Oracle has been running steadily for over two years.  Over 380 issues of the Usenet Oracularities Digest have been sent out.  In its earliest months, issues of the digest were published more frequently and contained material of more varying quality.  They are now limited to at most one issue every two days and their content is chosen by a diverse group of volunteers.  For a more complete explanation of the Usenet Oracle and details about accessing its archives, we refer you to the "Intro to the Usenet Oracle" article posted to alt.humor.oracle and news.answers.  This may also be obtained by sending mail to [email protected] with the word "help" in the subject line.   Why rec.humor.oracle?  The Usenet Oracularities were originally posted to rec.humor.  A call by Oracularities readers who weren't interested in the rest of rec.humor and by rec.humor readers who weren't interested in the Oracularities led me to create a separate newsgroup, alt.humor.oracle.  alt.humor.oracle has proved itself as a viable newsgroup with 18,000 readers reported in recent statistics (#501, 58% propagation).  However, as an alt group, its  availability is limited and my mailing list for the Oracularities digests  contains hundreds of people who are there because they cannot receive  alt.humor.oracle.   What happens to rec.humor.oracle if [email protected] goes out of business?  Steve doesn't expect this to happen.  If for any reason (none of which we can now forsee), they would be no longer able to support the Usenet Oracle at indiana.edu, there would be capable volunteers at other sites to take over.       What does the moderator do?    The Oracle doesn't take much to keep it running.  The software is developed  to a point where it pretty much runs itself.  For the most part, the  moderator needs to keep an eye on it, manage the group of volunteer reviewers,  and edit the Oracularities.     Why is this being brought up again?  Steve Kinzler is going on a six month sabbatical starting in March.  He would like to see the Oracle through the creation of rec.humor.oracle, and then turn it over to someone else, at least for the period of time when he will be off the net.  (Steve does not expect finding a new moderator to be much of a problem.)   Why does rec.humor.oracle need to be moderated and why do we need rec.humor.oracle.d?  At present alt.humor.oracle contains both the Oracle Digest and comments and other questions or discussions about the Digest or the Oracle.  There are not at present a large number of non-Digest postings, but the volume will likely increase once it moves to the rec hierarchy.  Many of the non-Digest posts which appear more correctly should have been sent to the Oracle as a  question.   Having rec.humor.oracle moderated will simplify this, and those people who  would prefer only to read the Oracularities will not have the other traffic  to deal with.  Replies and followups to rec.humor.oracle could be treated as  votes, which is how followups are currently treated in the Oracularity  Digest.  However, if rec.humor.oracle.d fails discussion would have to take  place in rec.humor.d.  When will voting begin?  Because this was discussed for some time last fall, with some changes made in the original proposal based on discussion at that time, we hope that we can begin the voting in just a few weeks, so that it can be concluded before Steve takes off.  Therefore, we feel that voting may begin as early as January 25th.  Michael Nolan will serve as vote collector and tabulator, the exact address and voting procedures will be contained in the Call For Votes when it is issued.  This will be a two part vote, one for the creation of rec.humor.oracle (moderated) and one for the creation of rec.humor.oracle.d (unmoderated).  The usual requirements (2/3 of the votes in favor, and at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes) will apply. --- Michael Nolan, [email protected] Tailored Software Services, Inc.  From [email protected] Sat Apr  4 02:48:52 1992 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:1766 news.groups:37770 alt.humor.oracle:499 rec.humor.d:4305 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.humor.oracle,rec.humor.d Path: rpi!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Michael Nolan) Subject: CFV:  rec.humor.oracle moderated and rec.humor.oracle.d Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Tailored Software Services, Inc. Date: 23 Jan 92 15:43:02 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 99  First Call for Votes                Issued 01/23/92  Voting ends 2/16/92 ===== ==== === =====  NOTE:  This is a two part vote.  Please use the sample ballot provided below. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------  PROPOSAL 1:  to create the group rec.humor.oracle, replacing alt.humor.oracle  STATUS: moderated  INITIAL MODERATOR: Steve Kinzler ([email protected])  CHARTER:  For postings of the Usenet Oracularities Digest at a maximum     frequency of one every two days, periodic information postings, and     announcements from the moderator.  (See below for a description of the     Usenet Oracle.)  --------------------------  PROPOSAL 2:  to create the group rec.humor.oracle.d   STATUS: unmoderated  CHARTER:  For discussion of the Usenet Oracle among its participants.  ---------------------------  What's the Usenet Oracle?  Briefly and primarily, it's a means to support a cooperative effort for creative, original humor.  Software currently on iuvax.cs.indiana.edu accepts e-mail containing "questions for the all-knowing Oracle".  The software sends out these questions to other questioners to be answered, and then forwards the answer to the original questioners, all anonymously.  Copies of the resulting questions/answers are forwarded to volunteers for review and selection for publication in the Usenet Oracularities.  Readers are invited to rate the published Oracularities, and the results are included in a later issue.  The persons who wrote the question and answer are notified by e-mail of the score that their joint efforts produced.  Every couple of months, the very best  questions/answers are submitted to rec.humor.funny.  The Usenet Oracle has been running steadily for over two years.  Over 380 issues of the Usenet Oracularities Digest have been sent out.  In its earliest months, issues of the digest were published more frequently and contained material of more varying quality.  They are now limited to at most one issue every two days and their content is chosen by a diverse group of volunteers.  For a more complete explanation of the Usenet Oracle and details about accessing its archives, we refer you to the "Intro to the Usenet Oracle" article posted to alt.humor.oracle and news.answers.  This may also be obtained by sending mail to [email protected] with the word "help" in the subject line.  ----------------  VOTING PROCEDURE:  IMPORTANT--This is a two part vote, please use the ballot form below to simplify the tabulating procedure.  Votes should be sent to [email protected]    (Those experiencing problems with this address may wish to try either tssi!vote-oracle or vote-oracle%[email protected])  Votes will not be individually acknowledged, but one or more mass  acknowledgements will be posted during the voting period.  Only ballots received by e-mail during the voting period will be counted.  Ballots posted to any newsgroup will not be counted.  VOTING PERIOD:  Now (1/23/92) through 23:59 CST on 2/16/92.   TABULATION PROCEDURE:  Votes will be tabulated by Michael Nolan ([email protected]).  The criteria for approval shall be a 2/3 majority vote in favor with 100 more 'FOR' votes that 'AGAINST' votes.  The two proposals will be tabulated separately. (Although if proposal 1 fails, proposal 2 is somewhat moot.)    SAMPLE BALLOT FORM  Edit to eliminate the unwanted words and mail to [email protected] ---------------------------------------------------------------------  Proposal 1:  I vote for/against the creation of rec.humor.oracle  Proposal 2:  I vote for/against the creation of rec.humor.oracle.d   --------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Nolan, [email protected]              "Software means never having Tailored Software Services, Inc.            to say you're finished."        Lincoln, Nebraska (402) 423-1490            --J. D. Hildebrand in UNIX REVIEW  From [email protected] Sat Apr  4 02:51:54 1992 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:1775 news.groups:38015 alt.humor.oracle:531 rec.humor.d:4327 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.humor.oracle,rec.humor.d Path: rpi!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Michael Nolan) Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK:  rec.humor.oracle moderated & rec.humor.oracle.d Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Tailored Software Services, Inc. Date: 29 Jan 92 15:10:37 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 470  This is the 2nd call for votes for the proposed creation of:  rec.humor.oracle moderated rec.humor.oracle.d  A 3rd and final CFV will go out in 10 days, the voting period ends Feb 16th. The charter and first mass acknowledgement of votes follows:  Second Call for Votes                Voting began 1/23/92, ends 2/16/92 ====== ==== === =====  NOTE:  This is a two part vote.  Please use the sample ballot provided below. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------  PROPOSAL 1:  to create the group rec.humor.oracle, replacing alt.humor.oracle  STATUS: moderated  INITIAL MODERATOR: Steve Kinzler ([email protected])  CHARTER:  For postings of the Usenet Oracularities Digest at a maximum     frequency of one every two days, periodic information postings, and     announcements from the moderator.  (See below for a description of the     Usenet Oracle.)  --------------------------  PROPOSAL 2:  to create the group rec.humor.oracle.d   STATUS: unmoderated  CHARTER:  For discussion of the Usenet Oracle among its participants.  ---------------------------  What's the Usenet Oracle?  Briefly and primarily, it's a means to support a cooperative effort for creative, original humor.  Software currently on iuvax.cs.indiana.edu accepts e-mail containing "questions for the all-knowing Oracle".  The software sends out these questions to other questioners to be answered, and then forwards the answer to the original questioners, all anonymously.  Copies of the resulting questions/answers are forwarded to volunteers for review and selection for publication in the Usenet Oracularities.  Readers are invited to rate the published Oracularities, and the results are included in a later issue.  The persons who wrote the question and answer are notified by e-mail of the score that their joint efforts produced.  Every couple of months, the very best  questions/answers are submitted to rec.humor.funny.  The Usenet Oracle has been running steadily for over two years.  Over 380 issues of the Usenet Oracularities Digest have been sent out.  In its earliest months, issues of the digest were published more frequently and contained material of more varying quality.  They are now limited to at most one issue every two days and their content is chosen by a diverse group of volunteers.  For a more complete explanation of the Usenet Oracle and details about accessing its archives, we refer you to the "Intro to the Usenet Oracle" article posted to alt.humor.oracle and news.answers.  This may also be obtained by sending mail to [email protected] with the word "help" in the subject line.  ----------------  VOTING PROCEDURE:  IMPORTANT--This is a two part vote, please use the ballot form below to simplify the tabulating procedure.  Votes should be sent to [email protected]    (Those experiencing problems with this address may wish to try either tssi!vote-oracle or vote-oracle%[email protected])  Votes will not be individually acknowledged, but one or more mass  acknowledgements will be posted during the voting period.  Only ballots received by e-mail during the voting period will be counted.  VOTING PERIOD:  Now (1/22/92) through 23:59 CST on 2/16/92.   TABULATION PROCEDURE:  Votes will be tabulated by Michael Nolan ([email protected]).  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Scott) zip.eecs.umich.edu!huggins --  Michael Nolan, vote tabulator [email protected]  From [email protected] Sat Apr  4 02:59:30 1992 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:1807 news.groups:38850 alt.humor.oracle:565 rec.humor.d:4379 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.humor.oracle,rec.humor.d Path: rpi!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Mike Nolan) Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK:  rec.humor.oracle moderated & rec.humor.oracle.d Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1992 14:16:34 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 255  This is the 3rd and final call for votes for the proposed creation of:  rec.humor.oracle moderated rec.humor.oracle.d  The voting period ends Feb 16th. The charter and first mass acknowledgement of votes follows:  Third Call for Votes                Voting began 1/23/92, ends 2/16/92 ===== ==== === =====  NOTE:  This is a two part vote.  Please use the sample ballot provided below. Please note the additional address for voting.  A problem has developed with e-mail to tssi.com last Thursday that has not yet been resolved. Sorry about that, it has been inconvenient for this vote and even more so for any other e-mail bound for us. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------  PROPOSAL 1:  to create the group rec.humor.oracle, replacing alt.humor.oracle  STATUS: moderated  INITIAL MODERATOR: Steve Kinzler ([email protected])  CHARTER:  For postings of the Usenet Oracularities Digest at a maximum     frequency of one every two days, periodic information postings, and     announcements from the moderator.  (See below for a description of the     Usenet Oracle.)  --------------------------  PROPOSAL 2:  to create the group rec.humor.oracle.d   STATUS: unmoderated  CHARTER:  For discussion of the Usenet Oracle among its participants.  ---------------------------  What's the Usenet Oracle?  Briefly and primarily, it's a means to support a cooperative effort for creative, original humor.  Software currently on iuvax.cs.indiana.edu accepts e-mail containing "questions for the all-knowing Oracle".  The software sends out these questions to other questioners to be answered, and then forwards the answer to the original questioners, all anonymously.  Copies of the resulting questions/answers are forwarded to volunteers for review and selection for publication in the Usenet Oracularities.  Readers are invited to rate the published Oracularities, and the results are included in a later issue.  The persons who wrote the question and answer are notified by e-mail of the score that their joint efforts produced.  Every couple of months, the very best  questions/answers are submitted to rec.humor.funny.  The Usenet Oracle has been running steadily for over two years.  Over 380 issues of the Usenet Oracularities Digest have been sent out.  In its earliest months, issues of the digest were published more frequently and contained material of more varying quality.  They are now limited to at most one issue every two days and their content is chosen by a diverse group of volunteers.  For a more complete explanation of the Usenet Oracle and details about accessing its archives, we refer you to the "Intro to the Usenet Oracle" article posted to alt.humor.oracle and news.answers.  This may also be obtained by sending mail to [email protected] with the word "help" in the subject line.  ----------------  VOTING PROCEDURE:  IMPORTANT--This is a two part vote, please use the ballot form below to simplify the tabulating procedure.  Votes should be sent to [email protected]   PLEASE SEND A CC OF YOUR VOTE TO: [email protected], because e-mail delivery to tssi.com was interrupted last Thursday and has not yet been restored.  (To make matters worse, most users are not getting bounce messages.)  Votes will not be individually acknowledged, but one or more mass  acknowledgements will be posted during the voting period.  Only ballots received by e-mail during the voting period will be counted.  VOTING PERIOD:  Now (1/22/92) through 23:59 CST on 2/16/92.   TABULATION PROCEDURE:  Votes will be tabulated by Michael Nolan ([email protected]).  The criteria for approval shall be a 2/3 majority vote in favor with 100 more 'FOR' votes that 'AGAINST' votes.  The two proposals will be tabulated separately. (Although if proposal 1 fails, proposal 2 is moot.)    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From [email protected] Sat Apr  4 03:10:11 1992 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:1829 news.groups:39234 alt.humor.oracle:574 rec.humor.d:4409 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.humor.oracle,rec.humor.d Path: rpi!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Michael Nolan) Subject: RESULT:  rec.humor.oracle{,.d} pass {530:26,487:67} Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Organization: Tailored Software Services, Inc. Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1992 04:28:35 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 1168  Voting concluded at 23:59 CST on 2/16/92, a total of 556 votes were received.  --------------------------  PROPOSAL 1: to create the group rec.humor.oracle moderated  PASSES 530-26  INITIAL MODERATOR: Steve Kinzler   CHARTER:  For postings of the Usenet Oracularities Digest at a maximum     frequency of one every two days, periodic information postings, and     announcements from the moderator.    --------------------------  PROPOSAL 2:  to create the group rec.humor.oracle.d   PASSES 487-67  CHARTER:  For discussion of the Usenet Oracle among its participants.  ---------------------------  In both cases, the usual criteria for a successful vote were easily met. (100 more YES votes than NO votes, 2/3 majority)  After a five day waiting period for comments, the control messages to add the new groups will be sent by [email protected]  Comments should be sent to  the vote tabulator, Michael Nolan, [email protected] (Alternate addresses: [email protected], [email protected])  ======================== NO votes received on rec.humor.oracle:   Chuck Carroll  Hannu Visti <[email protected]> Helge Hauglin  Ishai Ben-Aroya  Kari Hurtta  Rodent (Phil Weiss) <[email protected]> Roland Kaltefleiter  Sven Heinicke <[email protected]> Tom Fitzgerald	 aachen.ericsson.se!eedwpz (Walter P. 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Hildebrand in UNIX REVIEW  From [email protected] Mon Sep 11 22:11:56 1995 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:1498 news.groups:33710 alt.humor.oracle:346 rec.humor.d:3800 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.humor.oracle,rec.humor.d Path: rpi!bounce-back From: Steve Kinzler <[email protected]> Subject: RFD:  rec.humor.oracle Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Date: 19 Oct 91 21:37:42 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 76 Status: RO X-Status:   Request for Discussion ======= === ==========  GROUP:  rec.humor.oracle, replacing alt.humor.oracle  STATUS: unmoderated  PURPOSES:  (1) For postings of the Usenet Oracularities Digest at a maximum     frequency of one every two days. (2) For discussion of the Usenet Oracle among its participants (a rather     small volume of articles, in practice).   What's the Usenet Oracle?  Briefly and primarily, it's a means to support a cooperative effort for creative, original humor.  Software currently on iuvax.cs.indiana.edu accepts e-mail containing "questions for the all-knowing Oracle".  The software sends out these questions to other questioners to be answered, and then forwards the answer to the original questioners, all anonymously.  Copies of the resulting questions/answers are forwarded to volunteers for review and selection for publication in the Usenet Oracularities.  Every couple of months, the very best questions/answers, as rated by the readers, are submitted to rec.humor.funny.  The Usenet Oracle has been running steadily for two years.  Over 350 issues of the Usenet Oracularities Digest have been sent out.  In its earliest months, issues of the digest were published more frequently and contained material of more varying quality.  They are now limited to at most one issue every two days and their content is chosen by a diverse group of volunteers.  For a more complete explanation of the Usenet Oracle and details about accessing its archives, I refer you to the "Intro to the Usenet Oracle" article posted to alt.humor.oracle and news.answers.  This may also be obtained by sending mail to [email protected] with the word "help" in the subject line.   Why rec.humor.oracle?  The Usenet Oracularities were originally posted to rec.humor.  A call by Oracularities readers who weren't interested in the rest of rec.humor and by rec.humor readers who weren't interested in the Oracularities led me to create a separate newsgroup, alt.humor.oracle.  alt.humor.oracle has proved itself as a viable newsgroup with 18,000 readers reported in the latest statistics (#501, 58% propagation).  However, as an alt group, its availability is limited and my mailing list for the Oracularities digests contains hundreds of people who are there because they cannot receive alt.humor.oracle.   What happens to rec.humor.oracle if [email protected] goes out of business?  I don't expect this to happen.  If for any reason (none of which I can now forsee), we would be no longer able to support the Usenet Oracle at indiana.edu, there would be capable volunteers at other sites to take over.  Nor does the Oracle depend on me to keep it running.  It's developed to a point where it pretty much runs itself.  For the most part, I just keep an eye on it, manage the group of volunteer reviewers, and edit the Oracularities digests -- a job that can easily be given to anyone else on the net (and is when I'm away for any significant amount of time).   						Steve Kinzler 						[email protected]   NOTE:  Michael Nolan, [email protected], and Jay Maynard,        [email protected], will be following up on the        newsgroup creation process for rec.humor.oracle, handling the CFV        and voting.  From [email protected] Tue Sep 12 10:42:46 1995 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:1733 news.groups:37201 alt.humor.oracle:467 rec.humor.d:4273 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.humor.oracle,rec.humor.d Path: rpi!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Michael Nolan) Subject: RFD:  rec.humor.oracle moderated and rec.humor.oracle.d Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Organization: Tailored Software Services, Inc. Date: 13 Jan 92 16:15:02 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 133 Status: RO X-Status:   This was initially discussed in October, but because of a mailer problem with the site which was going to collect the votes it was not brought to a vote at that time.  Steve Kinzler has requested that we reissue the RFD.  Most of this was originally written by Steve, but I have made some modifications.   Request for Discussion             Reissued 01/11/92  ======= === ==========  GROUP:  rec.humor.oracle, replacing alt.humor.oracle  STATUS: moderated  INITIAL MODERATOR: Steve Kinzler ([email protected])  PURPOSE:  For postings of the Usenet Oracularities Digest at a maximum     frequency of one every two days, periodic information postings, and     announcements from the moderator.  -------------------------- GROUP:  rec.humor.oracle.d   STATUS: unmoderated  PURPOSE:  For discussion of the Usenet Oracle among its participants.  ---------------------------  What's the Usenet Oracle?  Briefly and primarily, it's a means to support a cooperative effort for creative, original humor.  Software currently on iuvax.cs.indiana.edu accepts e-mail containing "questions for the all-knowing Oracle".  The software sends out these questions to other questioners to be answered, and then forwards the answer to the original questioners, all anonymously.  Copies of the resulting questions/answers are forwarded to volunteers for review and selection for publication in the Usenet Oracularities.  Readers are invited to rate the published Oracularities, and the results are included in a later issue.  The persons who wrote the question and answer are notified by e-mail of the score that their joint efforts produced.  Every couple of months, the very best  questions/answers are submitted to rec.humor.funny.  The Usenet Oracle has been running steadily for over two years.  Over 380 issues of the Usenet Oracularities Digest have been sent out.  In its earliest months, issues of the digest were published more frequently and contained material of more varying quality.  They are now limited to at most one issue every two days and their content is chosen by a diverse group of volunteers.  For a more complete explanation of the Usenet Oracle and details about accessing its archives, we refer you to the "Intro to the Usenet Oracle" article posted to alt.humor.oracle and news.answers.  This may also be obtained by sending mail to [email protected] with the word "help" in the subject line.   Why rec.humor.oracle?  The Usenet Oracularities were originally posted to rec.humor.  A call by Oracularities readers who weren't interested in the rest of rec.humor and by rec.humor readers who weren't interested in the Oracularities led me to create a separate newsgroup, alt.humor.oracle.  alt.humor.oracle has proved itself as a viable newsgroup with 18,000 readers reported in recent statistics (#501, 58% propagation).  However, as an alt group, its  availability is limited and my mailing list for the Oracularities digests  contains hundreds of people who are there because they cannot receive  alt.humor.oracle.   What happens to rec.humor.oracle if [email protected] goes out of business?  Steve doesn't expect this to happen.  If for any reason (none of which we can now forsee), they would be no longer able to support the Usenet Oracle at indiana.edu, there would be capable volunteers at other sites to take over.       What does the moderator do?    The Oracle doesn't take much to keep it running.  The software is developed  to a point where it pretty much runs itself.  For the most part, the  moderator needs to keep an eye on it, manage the group of volunteer reviewers,  and edit the Oracularities.     Why is this being brought up again?  Steve Kinzler is going on a six month sabbatical starting in March.  He would like to see the Oracle through the creation of rec.humor.oracle, and then turn it over to someone else, at least for the period of time when he will be off the net.  (Steve does not expect finding a new moderator to be much of a problem.)   Why does rec.humor.oracle need to be moderated and why do we need rec.humor.oracle.d?  At present alt.humor.oracle contains both the Oracle Digest and comments and other questions or discussions about the Digest or the Oracle.  There are not at present a large number of non-Digest postings, but the volume will likely increase once it moves to the rec hierarchy.  Many of the non-Digest posts which appear more correctly should have been sent to the Oracle as a  question.   Having rec.humor.oracle moderated will simplify this, and those people who  would prefer only to read the Oracularities will not have the other traffic  to deal with.  Replies and followups to rec.humor.oracle could be treated as  votes, which is how followups are currently treated in the Oracularity  Digest.  However, if rec.humor.oracle.d fails discussion would have to take  place in rec.humor.d.  When will voting begin?  Because this was discussed for some time last fall, with some changes made in the original proposal based on discussion at that time, we hope that we can begin the voting in just a few weeks, so that it can be concluded before Steve takes off.  Therefore, we feel that voting may begin as early as January 25th.  Michael Nolan will serve as vote collector and tabulator, the exact address and voting procedures will be contained in the Call For Votes when it is issued.  This will be a two part vote, one for the creation of rec.humor.oracle (moderated) and one for the creation of rec.humor.oracle.d (unmoderated).  The usual requirements (2/3 of the votes in favor, and at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes) will apply. --- Michael Nolan, [email protected] Tailored Software Services, Inc.  From [email protected] Tue Sep 12 10:43:26 1995 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:1766 news.groups:37770 alt.humor.oracle:499 rec.humor.d:4305 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.humor.oracle,rec.humor.d Path: rpi!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Michael Nolan) Subject: CFV:  rec.humor.oracle moderated and rec.humor.oracle.d Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Tailored Software Services, Inc. Date: 23 Jan 92 15:43:02 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 99 Status: RO X-Status:   First Call for Votes                Issued 01/23/92  Voting ends 2/16/92 ===== ==== === =====  NOTE:  This is a two part vote.  Please use the sample ballot provided below. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------  PROPOSAL 1:  to create the group rec.humor.oracle, replacing alt.humor.oracle  STATUS: moderated  INITIAL MODERATOR: Steve Kinzler ([email protected])  CHARTER:  For postings of the Usenet Oracularities Digest at a maximum     frequency of one every two days, periodic information postings, and     announcements from the moderator.  (See below for a description of the     Usenet Oracle.)  --------------------------  PROPOSAL 2:  to create the group rec.humor.oracle.d   STATUS: unmoderated  CHARTER:  For discussion of the Usenet Oracle among its participants.  ---------------------------  What's the Usenet Oracle?  Briefly and primarily, it's a means to support a cooperative effort for creative, original humor.  Software currently on iuvax.cs.indiana.edu accepts e-mail containing "questions for the all-knowing Oracle".  The software sends out these questions to other questioners to be answered, and then forwards the answer to the original questioners, all anonymously.  Copies of the resulting questions/answers are forwarded to volunteers for review and selection for publication in the Usenet Oracularities.  Readers are invited to rate the published Oracularities, and the results are included in a later issue.  The persons who wrote the question and answer are notified by e-mail of the score that their joint efforts produced.  Every couple of months, the very best  questions/answers are submitted to rec.humor.funny.  The Usenet Oracle has been running steadily for over two years.  Over 380 issues of the Usenet Oracularities Digest have been sent out.  In its earliest months, issues of the digest were published more frequently and contained material of more varying quality.  They are now limited to at most one issue every two days and their content is chosen by a diverse group of volunteers.  For a more complete explanation of the Usenet Oracle and details about accessing its archives, we refer you to the "Intro to the Usenet Oracle" article posted to alt.humor.oracle and news.answers.  This may also be obtained by sending mail to [email protected] with the word "help" in the subject line.  ----------------  VOTING PROCEDURE:  IMPORTANT--This is a two part vote, please use the ballot form below to simplify the tabulating procedure.  Votes should be sent to [email protected]    (Those experiencing problems with this address may wish to try either tssi!vote-oracle or vote-oracle%[email protected])  Votes will not be individually acknowledged, but one or more mass  acknowledgements will be posted during the voting period.  Only ballots received by e-mail during the voting period will be counted.  Ballots posted to any newsgroup will not be counted.  VOTING PERIOD:  Now (1/23/92) through 23:59 CST on 2/16/92.   TABULATION PROCEDURE:  Votes will be tabulated by Michael Nolan ([email protected]).  The criteria for approval shall be a 2/3 majority vote in favor with 100 more 'FOR' votes that 'AGAINST' votes.  The two proposals will be tabulated separately. (Although if proposal 1 fails, proposal 2 is somewhat moot.)    SAMPLE BALLOT FORM  Edit to eliminate the unwanted words and mail to [email protected] ---------------------------------------------------------------------  Proposal 1:  I vote for/against the creation of rec.humor.oracle  Proposal 2:  I vote for/against the creation of rec.humor.oracle.d   --------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Nolan, [email protected]              "Software means never having Tailored Software Services, Inc.            to say you're finished."        Lincoln, Nebraska (402) 423-1490            --J. D. Hildebrand in UNIX REVIEW  From [email protected] Tue Sep 12 10:43:34 1995 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:1775 news.groups:38015 alt.humor.oracle:531 rec.humor.d:4327 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.humor.oracle,rec.humor.d Path: rpi!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Michael Nolan) Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK:  rec.humor.oracle moderated & rec.humor.oracle.d Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Tailored Software Services, Inc. Date: 29 Jan 92 15:10:37 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 470 Status: RO X-Status:   This is the 2nd call for votes for the proposed creation of:  rec.humor.oracle moderated rec.humor.oracle.d  A 3rd and final CFV will go out in 10 days, the voting period ends Feb 16th. The charter and first mass acknowledgement of votes follows:  Second Call for Votes                Voting began 1/23/92, ends 2/16/92 ====== ==== === =====  NOTE:  This is a two part vote.  Please use the sample ballot provided below. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------  PROPOSAL 1:  to create the group rec.humor.oracle, replacing alt.humor.oracle  STATUS: moderated  INITIAL MODERATOR: Steve Kinzler ([email protected])  CHARTER:  For postings of the Usenet Oracularities Digest at a maximum     frequency of one every two days, periodic information postings, and     announcements from the moderator.  (See below for a description of the     Usenet Oracle.)  --------------------------  PROPOSAL 2:  to create the group rec.humor.oracle.d   STATUS: unmoderated  CHARTER:  For discussion of the Usenet Oracle among its participants.  ---------------------------  What's the Usenet Oracle?  Briefly and primarily, it's a means to support a cooperative effort for creative, original humor.  Software currently on iuvax.cs.indiana.edu accepts e-mail containing "questions for the all-knowing Oracle".  The software sends out these questions to other questioners to be answered, and then forwards the answer to the original questioners, all anonymously.  Copies of the resulting questions/answers are forwarded to volunteers for review and selection for publication in the Usenet Oracularities.  Readers are invited to rate the published Oracularities, and the results are included in a later issue.  The persons who wrote the question and answer are notified by e-mail of the score that their joint efforts produced.  Every couple of months, the very best  questions/answers are submitted to rec.humor.funny.  The Usenet Oracle has been running steadily for over two years.  Over 380 issues of the Usenet Oracularities Digest have been sent out.  In its earliest months, issues of the digest were published more frequently and contained material of more varying quality.  They are now limited to at most one issue every two days and their content is chosen by a diverse group of volunteers.  For a more complete explanation of the Usenet Oracle and details about accessing its archives, we refer you to the "Intro to the Usenet Oracle" article posted to alt.humor.oracle and news.answers.  This may also be obtained by sending mail to [email protected] with the word "help" in the subject line.  ----------------  VOTING PROCEDURE:  IMPORTANT--This is a two part vote, please use the ballot form below to simplify the tabulating procedure.  Votes should be sent to [email protected]    (Those experiencing problems with this address may wish to try either tssi!vote-oracle or vote-oracle%[email protected])  Votes will not be individually acknowledged, but one or more mass  acknowledgements will be posted during the voting period.  Only ballots received by e-mail during the voting period will be counted.  VOTING PERIOD:  Now (1/22/92) through 23:59 CST on 2/16/92.   TABULATION PROCEDURE:  Votes will be tabulated by Michael Nolan ([email protected]).  The criteria for approval shall be a 2/3 majority vote in favor with 100 more 'FOR' votes that 'AGAINST' votes.  The two proposals will be tabulated separately. (Although if proposal 1 fails, proposal 2 is moot.)    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Scott) zip.eecs.umich.edu!huggins --  Michael Nolan, vote tabulator [email protected]  From [email protected] Tue Sep 12 10:44:14 1995 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:1807 news.groups:38850 alt.humor.oracle:565 rec.humor.d:4379 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.humor.oracle,rec.humor.d Path: rpi!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Mike Nolan) Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK:  rec.humor.oracle moderated & rec.humor.oracle.d Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1992 14:16:34 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 255 Status: RO X-Status:   This is the 3rd and final call for votes for the proposed creation of:  rec.humor.oracle moderated rec.humor.oracle.d  The voting period ends Feb 16th. The charter and first mass acknowledgement of votes follows:  Third Call for Votes                Voting began 1/23/92, ends 2/16/92 ===== ==== === =====  NOTE:  This is a two part vote.  Please use the sample ballot provided below. Please note the additional address for voting.  A problem has developed with e-mail to tssi.com last Thursday that has not yet been resolved. Sorry about that, it has been inconvenient for this vote and even more so for any other e-mail bound for us. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------  PROPOSAL 1:  to create the group rec.humor.oracle, replacing alt.humor.oracle  STATUS: moderated  INITIAL MODERATOR: Steve Kinzler ([email protected])  CHARTER:  For postings of the Usenet Oracularities Digest at a maximum     frequency of one every two days, periodic information postings, and     announcements from the moderator.  (See below for a description of the     Usenet Oracle.)  --------------------------  PROPOSAL 2:  to create the group rec.humor.oracle.d   STATUS: unmoderated  CHARTER:  For discussion of the Usenet Oracle among its participants.  ---------------------------  What's the Usenet Oracle?  Briefly and primarily, it's a means to support a cooperative effort for creative, original humor.  Software currently on iuvax.cs.indiana.edu accepts e-mail containing "questions for the all-knowing Oracle".  The software sends out these questions to other questioners to be answered, and then forwards the answer to the original questioners, all anonymously.  Copies of the resulting questions/answers are forwarded to volunteers for review and selection for publication in the Usenet Oracularities.  Readers are invited to rate the published Oracularities, and the results are included in a later issue.  The persons who wrote the question and answer are notified by e-mail of the score that their joint efforts produced.  Every couple of months, the very best  questions/answers are submitted to rec.humor.funny.  The Usenet Oracle has been running steadily for over two years.  Over 380 issues of the Usenet Oracularities Digest have been sent out.  In its earliest months, issues of the digest were published more frequently and contained material of more varying quality.  They are now limited to at most one issue every two days and their content is chosen by a diverse group of volunteers.  For a more complete explanation of the Usenet Oracle and details about accessing its archives, we refer you to the "Intro to the Usenet Oracle" article posted to alt.humor.oracle and news.answers.  This may also be obtained by sending mail to [email protected] with the word "help" in the subject line.  ----------------  VOTING PROCEDURE:  IMPORTANT--This is a two part vote, please use the ballot form below to simplify the tabulating procedure.  Votes should be sent to [email protected]   PLEASE SEND A CC OF YOUR VOTE TO: [email protected], because e-mail delivery to tssi.com was interrupted last Thursday and has not yet been restored.  (To make matters worse, most users are not getting bounce messages.)  Votes will not be individually acknowledged, but one or more mass  acknowledgements will be posted during the voting period.  Only ballots received by e-mail during the voting period will be counted.  VOTING PERIOD:  Now (1/22/92) through 23:59 CST on 2/16/92.   TABULATION PROCEDURE:  Votes will be tabulated by Michael Nolan ([email protected]).  The criteria for approval shall be a 2/3 majority vote in favor with 100 more 'FOR' votes that 'AGAINST' votes.  The two proposals will be tabulated separately. (Although if proposal 1 fails, proposal 2 is moot.)    SAMPLE BALLOT FORM  Edit to eliminate the unwanted words and mail to [email protected] ---------------------------------------------------------------------  Proposal 1:  I vote for/against the creation of rec.humor.oracle  Proposal 2:  I vote for/against the creation of rec.humor.oracle.d   ---------------------------------------------------------------------  Mass acknowledgement of votes received between 9:00 AM CST 1/28/92 and 4 PM CST on 2/5/92.  Votes received prior to that were in the first Mass Acknowledgement and are not repeated here.  I have NOT cross-checked the two list for duplicates yet.  Multiple messages received from:  Alan Ralph  Dewey Henize  Justin Clark  ucscb.UCSC.EDU!pippin (lorei)  Votes received from:  "Clifton Royston HNL (808)625-3234 : 1991, tQeUaAmLwIoTrYk"   "D.Langford"  "David J. Fiander"  "Robert J. Stratton III"   ASC.SLB.COM!guthery Andy Malis  Anthony Frost  Ashish Jain  Brett B. 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