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From [email protected] Thu Mar 11 11:31:49 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Peter Horn)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,alt.prose,misc.writing,bit.listserv.literary
Subject: RFD: rec.arts.prose
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Discussion: creation of rec.art.prose
-------------------------------------

Motivation:
-----------
There is a newsgroup rec.art.poems on the net, but none for
fictional prose works. There is a group alt.prose, but it does
not reach all stations on the net.

Possible Charter:
-----------------
A group where writers can post short prose fiction.

Unmoderated at least initially.
-------------------------------

If you are interested, please contact:
Peter Horn, University of Cape Town.
[email protected]

From [email protected] Fri Apr 16 10:39:44 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Peter Horn)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,misc.writing,alt.prose,bit.listserv.literary
Subject: CFV: rec.arts.prose
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Call for votes: Creation of rec.art.prose
-----------------------------------------

This is a formal Call For Votes for or against the creation of an
unmoderated Usenet newsgroup called "rec.arts.prose".

VOTING PROCEDURES
In order to vote, send a message to
        [email protected]
containing in the Subject: line either `yes' or `no' and 'rec.arts.prose',
for example
        Subject: I vote YES for rec.arts.prose
                                 or
        Subject: I vote NO for rec.arts.prose

Letter case does not matter.

If you suspect that either your name or address do not appear correctly in
the From: field, include them in the body of your letter.

The voting period will be from April 15 through May 15, 1993. This
message will be posted three times during the period. Only votes
received during the period will be counted. No more than one vote from
the same address can be sent. Votes posted to a newsgroup will not be
counted.

VOTE OUTCOME
In accordance with the traditions of the Usenet, the newsgroup will be
created only if more than 2/3 of the voters vote YES _and_ 100 persons more
vote YES than NO.

Proposed Charter:
-----------------

A group where writers can post short prose fiction.  Criticism and
suggestions on the fiction posted can be posted on the net in
rec.arts.prose or by email to the poster.  The group will accomodate
discussion of prose fiction in general, similar to the way in which
rec.arts.poems allows for posting of poems and discussion.  Posters
should keep to the normal length of a short story, approximately 800
lines.  Novel-length prose fiction should be posted in short chapters
over a period of time.

Other more technical matters involving writing, such as publication
outlets, publishers, journals, and literary agents, are more
appropriately discussed in misc.writing.

Discussion of literature in general takes place in bit.listserv.literary
and rec.arts.books.
 
Copyright
---------

As is the case on the Net in general, it is an offence to post
copyrighted material without the consent of the copyright owner.
Short pieces can be quoted in a discussion, as is the case in academic
work on fiction.  Anything posted to the net automatically is
copyright protected in countries agreeing to the Berne Convention, and
can be republished only with the consent of the author, except where
the author expressly releases his posting into the public domain.  

To make your intentions clear, posters are advised to add a Copyright
199x by Name of the Author to their posting, if they intend to keep
copyright.

Unmoderated at least initially.
-------------------------------
Until such time as the traffic is of such a volume, or there are other
reasons for introducing a moderated group, the group will be
unmoderated.
-- 
Peter Horn, UCT: [email protected]

From [email protected] Wed Apr 28 18:56:21 1993
Path: uunet!tale
From: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,misc.writing,alt.prose,bit.listserv.literary
Subject: Cancelled CFV: rec.arts.prose
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The current Call for Votes (CFV) for rec.arts.prose is being
cancelled due to an inadvertent breach of commonly accepted proper
vote taker behaviour.  In accordance with established precedent for
similar situations, this vote can be restarted immediately.

The vote taker targetted individuals who had posted in literature-
related groups to receive email copies of the call for votes.  Though
there is no written guideline against this, which can be considered
nothing but a fault, it is generally accepted by those people who are
involved with the newsgroup creation process that such solicitation,
even when not actively asking for votes in favour of the proposal,
causes further bias in the poll.

This case was actually quite minor, but had the potential to establish
a very bad precedent.  Recognizing that this also could lead to much
controversy and possibly hurt the chances of creation of the group,
the vote taker has elected to step down, while noting his objection to
being expected to follow rules that he had never seen documented.

A new vote taker, who is familiar with the conduct of USENET
newsgroup creation polls, is being solicited to restart this vote.  If
you would like to volunteer, please send a message to
[email protected]

A revised version of the newsgroup creation guidelines is in the works
which attempts to clarify and improve on many areas of the current
guidelines.  They should be available for public review within a month
or so, hopefully a few weeks before USENIX.

David Lawrence                          moderator, news.announce.newgroups

From [email protected] Thu May  6 14:55:44 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,misc.writing,alt.prose,bit.listserv.literary
Subject: CFV: rec.arts.prose
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[ rec.arts.prose voters - you probably don't know me.  I've run
several group votes.  Dave Lawrence wanted the CFV to happen again
with a minimum of delay, and I volunteered. -- Ron Dippold ]

CALL FOR VOTES: creation of rec.art.prose

This is a formal Call For Votes for or against the creation of an
unmoderated Usenet newsgroup called "rec.arts.prose".

The rationale and charter of the group are given below the voting
information.


VOTING

To vote, send a MAIL message to [email protected] (the easiest way
to do this in most cases is to just Reply to this message), containing
ONE of the following lines in the body of your reply:

  I vote FOR the creation of rec.arts.prose
  I vote AGAINST the creation of rec.arts.prose

It doesn't have to be exact, but it has to contain "rec.arts.prose" and
either "for" "against" "yes" or "no".  The easiest way to do this is to
just delete everything except the line that registers your opinion.  You
should get an automatic acknowledgement within a few days of receipt of
your vote.

Only one vote per person or account.  Mail messages only, no public
posts.


VOTING DETAILS

The voting period will be from the time of posting of this message
through 11:59 PM GMT May 28, 1993.  Only votes recieved during that time
will be counted.  During this period I will be posting two more CFVs and
mass acknowledgement lists of all voters.  After the vote is over, I
will post the results prior to Monday, May 31, 1993.  This will include
a complete list of all voters and how they voted.


VOTE OUTCOME

In accordance with the traditions of the Usenet, the newsgroup will be
created only if 2/3 or more of the voters vote YES and there are at
least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.


VOTER ETHICS

I'm unbiased.  You wouldn't believe how unbiased I am on this...  I
don't care whether this passes or not.  Regardless, I pledge not to
solict votes for or against the vote.  I will mail copies of the CFV to
any who request it or who vote incorrectly and need the CFV to vote
again.

Proposed Charter:
-----------------

A group where writers can post short prose fiction.  Criticism and
suggestions on the fiction posted can be posted on the net in
rec.arts.prose or by email to the poster.  The group will accomodate
discussion of prose fiction in general, similar to the way in which
rec.arts.poems allows for posting of poems and discussion.  Posters
should keep to the normal length of a short story, approximately 800
lines.  Novel-length prose fiction should be posted in short chapters
over a period of time.

Other more technical matters involving writing, such as publication
outlets, publishers, journals, and literary agents, are more
appropriately discussed in misc.writing.

Discussion of literature in general takes place in bit.listserv.literary
and rec.arts.books.
 
Copyright
---------

As is the case on the Net in general, it is an offence to post
copyrighted material without the consent of the copyright owner.
Short pieces can be quoted in a discussion, as is the case in academic
work on fiction.  Anything posted to the net automatically is
copyright protected in countries agreeing to the Berne Convention, and
can be republished only with the consent of the author, except where
the author expressly releases his posting into the public domain.  

To make your intentions clear, posters are advised to add a Copyright
199x by Name of the Author to their posting, if they intend to keep
copyright.

Unmoderated at least initially.
-------------------------------
Until such time as the traffic is of such a volume, or there are other
reasons for introducing a moderated group, the group will be
unmoderated.
-- 
Sorry, Plucky.  Pigs make lousy ninjas! -- Hamton

From [email protected] Tue May 11 08:42:35 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,misc.writing,alt.prose,bit.listserv.literary
Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: rec.arts.prose
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CALL FOR VOTES: creation of rec.art.prose

This is a formal Call For Votes for or against the creation of an
unmoderated Usenet newsgroup called "rec.arts.prose".

The rationale and charter of the group are given below the voting
information.


VOTING

To vote, send a MAIL message to [email protected] (the easiest way
to do this in most cases is to just Reply to this message), containing
ONE of the following lines in the body of your reply:

  I vote FOR the creation of rec.arts.prose
  I vote AGAINST the creation of rec.arts.prose

The easiest way to do this is to just delete everything except the
line that registers your opinion.  You should get an automatic
acknowledgement within a few days of receipt of your vote.

Only one vote per person or account.  Mail messages only, no public
posts.


VOTING DETAILS

The voting period will run through 11:59 PM GMT May 28, 1993.  Only
votes recieved during that time will be counted.  During this period I
will be posting two more CFVs and mass acknowledgement lists of all
voters.  After the vote is over, I will post the results prior to
Monday, May 31, 1993.  This will include a complete list of all voters
and how they voted.


VOTE OUTCOME

In accordance with the traditions of the Usenet, the newsgroup will be
created only if 2/3 or more of the voters vote YES and there are at
least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.


VOTER ETHICS

I'm unbiased.  You wouldn't believe how unbiased I am on this...  I
don't care whether this passes or not.  Regardless, I pledge not to
solict votes for or against the vote.  I will mail copies of the CFV to
any who request it or who vote incorrectly and need the CFV to vote
again.



Proposed Charter:
-----------------

A group where writers can post short prose fiction.  Criticism and
suggestions on the fiction posted can be posted on the net in
rec.arts.prose or by email to the poster.  The group will accomodate
discussion of prose fiction in general, similar to the way in which
rec.arts.poems allows for posting of poems and discussion.  Posters
should keep to the normal length of a short story, approximately 800
lines.  Novel-length prose fiction should be posted in short chapters
over a period of time.

Other more technical matters involving writing, such as publication
outlets, publishers, journals, and literary agents, are more
appropriately discussed in misc.writing.

Discussion of literature in general takes place in bit.listserv.literary
and rec.arts.books.
 
Copyright
---------

As is the case on the Net in general, it is an offence to post
copyrighted material without the consent of the copyright owner.
Short pieces can be quoted in a discussion, as is the case in academic
work on fiction.  Anything posted to the net automatically is
copyright protected in countries agreeing to the Berne Convention, and
can be republished only with the consent of the author, except where
the author expressly releases his posting into the public domain.  

To make your intentions clear, posters are advised to add a Copyright
199x by Name of the Author to their posting, if they intend to keep
copyright.

Unmoderated at least initially.
-------------------------------
Until such time as the traffic is of such a volume, or there are other
reasons for introducing a moderated group, the group will be
unmoderated.



Mass Ack - this is a list of everyone whose vote I have recieved by
Thursday, May 6, 1993.

[email protected]                                        -Null-
[email protected]                                      Colin Morton
[email protected]                                       Adrienne Brambila
[email protected]                                   
[email protected]                                   Arthur Rimbaud
[email protected]                                 Brian SPENCER
[email protected]                                                     Carl Rigney
[email protected]                                                       
[email protected]                                            Pope Clifton
[email protected]                                   Chris Marble
[email protected]                                       Ray J Cornwall
[email protected]                                              Colin Bell
[email protected]                          Mark "Crimson" Friedman
[email protected]                                      Tom Culliton x2278
[email protected]                                  Curtis Yarvin
[email protected]                                                      dack
[email protected]                                        David Conrad
[email protected]                                                      dawn
[email protected]                                        Diana Boyd
[email protected]                                 Jonathan Schilling
[email protected]                                              Don Zirilli
[email protected]                                       Andrew Trapp
[email protected]                                              Dawn Suchy
[email protected]                                                   
[email protected]                                            AH Al_ashaab
[email protected]                                Greg Fishbone
[email protected]                                      Carwil James
[email protected]                                  "John C. Fowler"
[email protected]                             Gregory C Franklin
[email protected]                                                          
[email protected]                                     Hardcore Alaskan
[email protected]                           Greg Nikolic
[email protected]                                              Geir Stensrud
[email protected]                                        Bill Gibson
[email protected]                                                           
[email protected]                                        B.J.
[email protected]                                           Mike H.
[email protected]                                        Jenny Ballmann
[email protected]                                                       
[email protected]                                                       
[email protected]                                        Joel Furr
[email protected]                                                                
[email protected]                                             Joel K Kelso
[email protected]                                          John Buck
[email protected]                                      Jane Patterson
[email protected]                                             Dark Knight
[email protected]                                         Aaron L Dickey
[email protected]                                     Leslie Bergen
[email protected]                          sometimes a Wombat
[email protected]                                        Lowell W Lutz
[email protected]                                    Lynn Benn
[email protected]                                                 Mary S. Lee
[email protected]                                               
[email protected]                                              Wong Nai Seng
[email protected]                                      Mark Gooley
[email protected]                                   Mark-Jason Dominus
[email protected]                                       Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS
[email protected]                                            Greg Morrow
[email protected]                                     Michael Shields
[email protected]                                             Mark Taranto
[email protected]                               David Muir Sharnoff
[email protected]                                         Naren Bala
[email protected]                                    Michael Nelson
[email protected]                                                   
[email protected]                             Bill Owens
[email protected]                                 Leonard J. Peirce
[email protected]                            Marguerite Petersen
[email protected]                                                   
phipps@hep.Physics.McGill.CA                                  Martin Phipps
phydeaux@guru.med.cornell.edu                                 Dave Weingart
pjb4288@ultb.isc.rit.edu                           Pete - Toonatic - Boulay
probe@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu                                       Prabal Nandy
rclark@nyx.cs.du.edu                                     Robert W. F. Clark
rhogan@scf.usc.edu                                                Ron Hogan
rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu                              Richard H. Miller
rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu                                 Roger Squires
S1MBM@ISUVAX.IASTATE.EDU                                                   
samant@cs.uchicago.edu                                                     
sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu                       "Theresa Jarosz Alberti"
sasbmt@unx.sas.com                                            Bruce Tindall
SEAWA%RHODES.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu                                         
sfjr@wam.umd.edu                                                     Sherri
sgccstr@citecuc.citec.oz.au                                   Shaun Travers
sho@physics.purdue.edu                                         Sho Kuwamoto
siffert@spot.Colorado.EDU                                    Thunder-Thumbs
sommar@enea.se                                            Erland Sommarskog
spaulson@junkets.us.dg.com                                    Steve Paulson
steveha@microsoft.com                                                      
stu@valinor.mythical.com                                       Stu Labovitz
syd@ecn.purdue.edu                                      Dennis P Hilgenberg
tamora@owlnet.rice.edu                                     Tami Dawn Kimmel
thayer@odysseus.uchicago.edu                                    Mike Thayer
thoth@uiuc.edu                                                      Ben Cox
tomf%ai@gte.com                                                 Tom Fawcett
twpierce@unix.amherst.edu                                        Tim Pierce
vcd@biosym.com                                            Vicki C. Daughtry
wes@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu                              "Wesley Craig"
wixer!ralph@cactus.org                                      Ralph Cherubini
write@lamar.ColoState.EDU                                          Glen Cox
-- 
They say the wages of sin are death, but after they take out taxes, all that's
left is a tired feeling.

From rdippold@qualcomm.com Thu May 20 09:56:27 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,misc.writing,alt.prose,bit.listserv.literary
Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK: rec.arts.prose
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CALL FOR VOTES: creation of rec.art.prose

This is a formal Call For Votes for or against the creation of an
unmoderated Usenet newsgroup called "rec.arts.prose".  This is the
_final_ CFV for this group.

The rationale and charter of the group are given below the voting
information.


VOTING

To vote, send a MAIL message to rdippold@qualcomm.com (the easiest way
to do this in most cases is to just Reply to this message), containing
ONE of the following lines in the body of your reply:

  I vote FOR the creation of rec.arts.prose
  I vote AGAINST the creation of rec.arts.prose

The easiest way to do this is to just delete everything except the
line that registers your opinion.  You should get an automatic
acknowledgement within a few days of receipt of your vote.

Only one vote per person or account.  Mail messages only, no public
posts.


VOTING DETAILS

The voting period will run through 11:59 PM GMT May 28, 1993.  Only
votes recieved during that time will be counted.  After the vote is
over, I will post the results prior to Monday, May 31, 1993.  This
will include a complete list of all voters and how they voted.


VOTE OUTCOME

In accordance with the traditions of the Usenet, the newsgroup will be
created only if 2/3 or more of the voters vote YES and there are at
least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.


VOTER ETHICS

I'm unbiased.  You wouldn't believe how unbiased I am on this...  I
don't care whether this passes or not.  Regardless, I pledge not to
solict votes for or against the vote.  I will mail copies of the CFV to
any who request it or who vote incorrectly and need the CFV to vote
again.



Proposed Charter:
-----------------

A group where writers can post short prose fiction.  Criticism and
suggestions on the fiction posted can be posted on the net in
rec.arts.prose or by email to the poster.  The group will accomodate
discussion of prose fiction in general, similar to the way in which
rec.arts.poems allows for posting of poems and discussion.  Posters
should keep to the normal length of a short story, approximately 800
lines.  Novel-length prose fiction should be posted in short chapters
over a period of time.

Other more technical matters involving writing, such as publication
outlets, publishers, journals, and literary agents, are more
appropriately discussed in misc.writing.

Discussion of literature in general takes place in bit.listserv.literary
and rec.arts.books.
 
Copyright
---------

As is the case on the Net in general, it is an offence to post
copyrighted material without the consent of the copyright owner.
Short pieces can be quoted in a discussion, as is the case in academic
work on fiction.  Anything posted to the net automatically is
copyright protected in countries agreeing to the Berne Convention, and
can be republished only with the consent of the author, except where
the author expressly releases his posting into the public domain.  

To make your intentions clear, posters are advised to add a Copyright
199x by Name of the Author to their posting, if they intend to keep
copyright.

Unmoderated at least initially.
-------------------------------
Until such time as the traffic is of such a volume, or there are other
reasons for introducing a moderated group, the group will be
unmoderated.



Mass Ack - this is a list of everyone whose vote I have recieved by
early Friday, May 14, 1993.

2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA                                               Andy
6500null%ucsbuxa@hub.ucsb.edu                                        -Null-
9650@ef.gc.maricopa.edu                                 "Warren A Norgaard"
aa905@freenet.carleton.ca                                      Colin Morton
Abdul.Khaliq@brunel.ac.uk                              Linus "E.A." Twizell
ac999266@umbc.edu                                              a Francis Uy
adrie@well.sf.ca.us                                       Adrienne Brambila
ahmed@mansun.lut.ac.uk                                      Ahmed Al-Ashabb
ajm@fibercom.com                                                 AJ Madison
al198723@academ01.mty.itesm.mx                   Jesus Eugenio S nchez Pe~a
andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu                                      Andrew Hackard
balr!vpnet!vpnet!vagrant@clout.chi.il.us                                   
balr!vpnet!vpnet!vagrant@clout.chi.il.us                                   
bealmear@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov                              dan a. bealmear
Ben.Magid@lambada.oit.unc.edu                                              
ben@NeoSoft.Com                                                Ben Ettinger
bhartman@ultrix.ramapo.edu                                   Arthur Rimbaud
boutell@isis.cshl.org                                           Tom Boutell
bspencer@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca                                 Brian SPENCER
bwallet@apssgi.nswc.navy.mil                                    Brad Wallet
cdr@kpc.com                                                     Carl Rigney
cffitzge@iastate.edu                                                       
changh2@rpi.edu                                                 Henry Chang
chaos@netcom.com                                                      chaos
cjb@cs.uq.oz.au                                                            
clarka@netcom.com                                              Andrew Clark
cliftonr@netcom.com                                            Pope Clifton
cmarble@fenris.claremont.edu                                   Chris Marble
cmp0118@information-systems.east-anglia.ac.uk                    "S." Green
cornwall@bach.udel.edu                                       Ray J Cornwall
crb11@cus.cam.ac.uk                                              Colin Bell
crimson@ihz.compuserve.com                          Mark "Crimson" Friedman
culliton@srg.af.mil                                      Tom Culliton x2278
curtis@snake.CS.Berkeley.EDU                                  Curtis Yarvin
dack@permanet.org                                                      dack
daffer@seti.seti_net                                         William Daffer
dave@Tygra.Michigan.COM                                        David Conrad
dawn@ca.dynix.com                                                      dawn
dboyd@harley.informix.com                                        Diana Boyd
ddciiny!jls@uunet.UU.NET                                 Jonathan Schilling
deadman@Cae.Mitel.COM                                       Richard Deadman
donz@uiunix.ui.org                                              Don Zirilli
dpeel@pyra.co.uk                                        Dave Peel (Security
dreamer@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu                                       Andrew Trapp
dsuchy19@Calvin.EDU                                              Dawn Suchy
dubach1@husc.harvard.edu                                                   
dw3u+@andrew.cmu.edu                                       "Daniel C. Wang"
ebarratt@sunee.uwaterloo.ca                               Elizabeth Barratt
ed@titipu.resun.com                                             Edward Reid
ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu                                      "Eric J. Olson"
enaha@hpb.lut.ac.uk                                            AH Al_ashaab
fishbone@astro.ocis.temple.edu                                Greg Fishbone
fishe@speedy.acns.nwu.edu                                      Carwil James
fowlerc@ucsu.Colorado.EDU                                  "John C. Fowler"
franklig@GAS.uug.Arizona.EDU                             Gregory C Franklin
fred@ivhs.mot.com                                                          
FSSPR@acad3.alaska.edu                                     Hardcore Alaskan
gdnikoli@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca                           Greg Nikolic
geirs@ifi.uio.no                                              Geir Stensrud
ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US                                 Gregory G. Woodbury
gibson@hplwsg.hpl.hp.com                                        Bill Gibson
greg.astoorian@CANREM.COM                                    Greg Astoorian
gussen@uidaho.edu                                         Steve Gussenhoven
haleysj@hirama.hiram.edu                                             Random
hansenr@ohsu.EDU                                                           
herbison@lassie.ucx.lkg.dec.com                                        B.J.
HORNPETE@Uctvax.UCT.AC.ZA                                                  
i3160503@ws.rz.tu-bs.de                                          Hockemeyer
iccnews.ucsd.edu@UCSD.EDU                                           Mike H.
jcs@zycor.lgc.com                                         James Conrad Shea
jennyb@carina.unm.edu                                        Jenny Ballmann
jergens@math.mit.edu                                                       
jergens@math.mit.edu                                                       
jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu                                        Joel Furr
jfw@ksr.com                                                                
joel@cs.uwa.edu.au                                             Joel K Kelso
johnbuck@allegro.mit.edu                                          John Buck
jonas@beor.informatik.rwth-aachen.de                         Josef Nelissen
jpatters@Willamette.EDU                                      Jane Patterson
jporter@picard.ksc.nasa.gov                                     John Porter
jpsum00@mik.uky.edu                                             Dark Knight
kieran@world.std.com                                         Aaron L Dickey
lassehp@imv.aau.dk                                  Lasse Hiller|e Petersen
lbergen@draco.bison.mb.ca                                     Leslie Bergen
lindag@engin.umich.edu                                        Linda Grischy
lionel@cs.city.ac.uk                                             Lionel Tun
lmann@orion.oac.uci.edu                                          Larry Mann
lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu                          sometimes a Wombat
lwlutz@mailbox.syr.edu                                        Lowell W Lutz
lynn@medicine.newcastle.edu.au                                    Lynn Benn
martelli@cadlab.sublink.org                                   Alex Martelli
mary@ai.mit.edu                                                 Mary S. Lee
mccullou%whipple@cs.wisc.edu                                               
mdw@TC.Cornell.EDU                                               Matt Welsh
me95001@ox.ac.uk                                              Wong Nai Seng
megazone@wpi.WPI.EDU                                             B Bikowicz
mej@world.std.com                                               Mark Jersey
melynda@titipu.resun.com                                       Melynda Reid
mgooley@advtech.uswest.com                                      Mark Gooley
mhpower@Athena.MIT.EDU                                                     
MIUVDD@lure.latrobe.edu.au                                     SWEET SISTER
mjd@saul.cis.upenn.edu                                   Mark-Jason Dominus
mjn%pseudo.UUCP                                              Murray Nesbitt
mmt@RedBrick.COM                                       Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS
MORROW@FNAL.FNAL.GOV                                            Greg Morrow
mshield@ukelele.GCR.COM                                     Michael Shields
mtaranto@Panix.Com                                             Mark Taranto
muir@idiom.berkeley.ca.us                               David Muir Sharnoff
mxm@dcs.ed.ac.uk                                                           
naren@tekig1.pen.tek.com                                         Naren Bala
nelsonm@oscar.ME.ORST.EDU                                    Michael Nelson
NIEHOFP@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU                                                   
nzr20@amdahlcsdc.com                                        Nicholas Russon
OUTSIDE@UVVM.UVic.CA                                        Richard Pickard
owens@cookiemonster.cc.rochester.edu                             Bill Owens
peirce@gumby.cc.wmich.edu                                 Leonard J. Peirce
petersm@jacobs.CSOS.ORST.EDU                            Marguerite Petersen
pfc@pacvax.pacersoft.com                                                   
phipps@hep.Physics.McGill.CA                                  Martin Phipps
phydeaux@guru.med.cornell.edu                                 Dave Weingart
pjb4288@ultb.isc.rit.edu                           Pete - Toonatic - Boulay
probe@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu                                       Prabal Nandy
ralph@cup.portal.com                                                       
rastrong@lumiere.lbl.gov                                  Richard A. Strong
rclark@nyx.cs.du.edu                                     Robert W. F. Clark
rcrowley@zso.dec.com                             Rebecca Leann Smit Crowley
rhogan@scf.usc.edu                                                Ron Hogan
RIAWELCH@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu                                Mad City Blues
rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu                              Richard H. Miller
riggs@descartes.tec.army.mil                                     Bill Riggs
rmr@annexia.esd.sgi.com                                   Robert M. Reimann
rp04@Lehigh.EDU                                                   R M Price
rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu                                 Roger Squires
S1MBM@ISUVAX.IASTATE.EDU                                                   
S1MBM@ISUVAX.IASTATE.EDU                                                   
samant@cs.uchicago.edu                                                     
sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu                       "Theresa Jarosz Alberti"
sasbmt@unx.sas.com                                            Bruce Tindall
SEAWA%RHODES.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu                                         
sfjr@wam.umd.edu                                                     Sherri
sgccstr@citecuc.citec.oz.au                                   Shaun Travers
sho@physics.purdue.edu                                         Sho Kuwamoto
siffert@spot.Colorado.EDU                                    Thunder-Thumbs
soft-logik@cup.portal.com                                                  
sommar@enea.se                                            Erland Sommarskog
spaulson@junkets.us.dg.com                                    Steve Paulson
steveha@microsoft.com                                                      
stu@valinor.mythical.com                                       Stu Labovitz
susanm@ncd.com                                               Susan Mitchell
syd@ecn.purdue.edu                                      Dennis P Hilgenberg
T.J.Aidley@newcastle.ac.uk                                    "T.J. Aidley"
tamora@owlnet.rice.edu                                     Tami Dawn Kimmel
tara@cs.uiuc.edu                                            Tara Madhyastha
tbas@sybase.com                                                Tony Basoglu
thayer@odysseus.uchicago.edu                                    Mike Thayer
thoth@uiuc.edu                                                      Ben Cox
tomf%ai@gte.com                                                 Tom Fawcett
twpierce@unix.amherst.edu                                        Tim Pierce
vcd@biosym.com                                            Vicki C. Daughtry
wes@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu                              "Wesley Craig"
wetcake@nvg.unit.no                                Jon Terje Kommandantvold
wixer!ralph@cactus.org                                      Ralph Cherubini
wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu                              "I am an android.."
write@lamar.ColoState.EDU                                          Glen Cox
yash@csn.org                                                  Yash Holbrook
-- 
I do this kind of stuff to him all through the thread.

From rdippold@qualcomm.com Mon Jun  7 10:37:14 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,misc.writing,alt.prose,bit.listserv.literary
Subject: RESULT: rec.arts.prose passes 188:31
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The unmoderated group rec.arts.prose has passed its second vote
handily:

rec.arts.prose vote results - 219 votes
 
 Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
 188   31 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : rec.arts.prose

Unless any voting irregularities appear, expect the newgroup message
in about a week or so.  Followups set to news.groups.  Email asking me
about the group won't do you much good, since I just took the vote.
Ask on one of the groups listed above.

UseVote was used in this vote...



Proposed Charter:
-----------------

A group where writers can post short prose fiction.  Criticism and
suggestions on the fiction posted can be posted on the net in
rec.arts.prose or by email to the poster.  The group will accomodate
discussion of prose fiction in general, similar to the way in which
rec.arts.poems allows for posting of poems and discussion.  Posters
should keep to the normal length of a short story, approximately 800
lines.  Novel-length prose fiction should be posted in short chapters
over a period of time.

Other more technical matters involving writing, such as publication
outlets, publishers, journals, and literary agents, are more
appropriately discussed in misc.writing.

Discussion of literature in general takes place in bit.listserv.literary
and rec.arts.books.
 
Copyright
---------

As is the case on the Net in general, it is an offence to post
copyrighted material without the consent of the copyright owner.
Short pieces can be quoted in a discussion, as is the case in academic
work on fiction.  Anything posted to the net automatically is
copyright protected in countries agreeing to the Berne Convention, and
can be republished only with the consent of the author, except where
the author expressly releases his posting into the public domain.  

To make your intentions clear, posters are advised to add a Copyright
199x by Name of the Author to their posting, if they intend to keep
copyright.

Unmoderated at least initially.
-------------------------------
Until such time as the traffic is of such a volume, or there are other
reasons for introducing a moderated group, the group will be
unmoderated.



rec.arts.prose vote Final Vote Ack

Yes Votes
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2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA                                               Andy
6500null%ucsbuxa@hub.ucsb.edu                                        -Null-
9650@ef.gc.maricopa.edu                                 "Warren A Norgaard"
aa751@cleveland.Freenet.Edu                                      Fran Rosen
aa905@freenet.carleton.ca                                      Colin Morton
Abdul.Khaliq@brunel.ac.uk                              Linus "E.A." Twizell
ac999266@umbc.edu                                              a Francis Uy
ajm@fibercom.com                                                 AJ Madison
al198723@academ01.mty.itesm.mx                   Jesus Eugenio S nchez Pe~a
amj@ukc.ac.uk                                                              
andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu                                      Andrew Hackard
bealmear@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov                              dan a. bealmear
Ben.Magid@lambada.oit.unc.edu                                              
ben@NeoSoft.Com                                                Ben Ettinger
bhartman@ultrix.ramapo.edu                                   Arthur Rimbaud
blewis@eniac.seas.upenn.edu                          benn bet nun nun lewis
boutell@isis.cshl.org                                           Tom Boutell
bspencer@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca                                 Brian SPENCER
bwallet@apssgi.nswc.navy.mil                                    Brad Wallet
cffitzge@iastate.edu                                                       
changh2@rpi.edu                                                 Henry Chang
chaos@netcom.com                                                      chaos
cjb@cs.uq.oz.au                                                            
clarka@netcom.com                                              Andrew Clark
cliftonr@netcom.com                                            Pope Clifton
cmp0118@information-systems.east-anglia.ac.uk                    "S." Green
cornwall@bach.udel.edu                                       Ray J Cornwall
Craig.Arnold@m.cc.utah.edu                                     Craig Arnold
crb11@cus.cam.ac.uk                                              Colin Bell
crimson@ihz.compuserve.com                          Mark "Crimson" Friedman
curtis@snake.CS.Berkeley.EDU                                  Curtis Yarvin
C_MCDON@PAVO.CONCORDIA.CA                                                  
dack@permanet.org                                                      dack
daffer@seti.seti_net                                         William Daffer
dave@Tygra.Michigan.COM                                        David Conrad
dawn@ca.dynix.com                                                      dawn
dboyd@harley.informix.com                                        Diana Boyd
ddciiny!jls@uunet.UU.NET                                 Jonathan Schilling
deadman@Cae.Mitel.COM                                       Richard Deadman
decvax!av8r!shaggy@uucp-gw-2.pa.dec.com                        Chris Taylor
Denise@jccc.medsch.ucla.edu                                   Denise Porter
dhart@cis.ohio-state.edu                                 david gregory hart
DJS9683@ritvax.isc.rit.edu                                                 
donz@uiunix.ui.org                                              Don Zirilli
dpeel@pyra.co.uk                                        Dave Peel (Security
dreamer@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu                                       Andrew Trapp
dsuchy19@Calvin.EDU                                              Dawn Suchy
dubach1@husc.harvard.edu                                                   
DUDLEY@jd.lawsch.uga.edu                                            "Linda"
dw3u+@andrew.cmu.edu                                       "Daniel C. Wang"
ebarratt@sunee.uwaterloo.ca                               Elizabeth Barratt
ed@titipu.resun.com                                             Edward Reid
edmond@isgtec.com                                               Edmond Chow
ekankaan@kaira.hut.fi                                       Eero Kankaanp{{
elf@halcyon.halcyon.com                                       Elf Sternberg
eubanks@astro.ocis.temple.edu                                Marcus Eubanks
fishbone@astro.ocis.temple.edu                                Greg Fishbone
fishe@speedy.acns.nwu.edu                                      Carwil James
FNCLL@acad3.alaska.edu                                                     
fowlerc@ucsu.Colorado.EDU                                  "John C. Fowler"
franklig@GAS.uug.Arizona.EDU                             Gregory C Franklin
fred@ivhs.mot.com                                                          
gdnikoli@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca                           Greg Nikolic
geirs@ifi.uio.no                                              Geir Stensrud
ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US                                 Gregory G. Woodbury
gibson@hplwsg.hpl.hp.com                                        Bill Gibson
greg.astoorian@CANREM.COM                                    Greg Astoorian
gussen@uidaho.edu                                         Steve Gussenhoven
haleysj@hirama.hiram.edu                                             Random
hawadm@hawaii.West.Sun.COM               Hawadm Hawaii Administrative Temps
herbison@lassie.ucx.lkg.dec.com                                        B.J.
HORNPETE@Uctvax.UCT.AC.ZA                                                  
i000702@disc.dla.mil                                          sam frajerman
i3160503@ws.rz.tu-bs.de                                          Hockemeyer
iccnews.ucsd.edu@UCSD.EDU                                           Mike H.
jcs@zycor.lgc.com                                         James Conrad Shea
jennyb@carina.unm.edu                                        Jenny Ballmann
jergens@math.mit.edu                                                       
jfortt@dorsai.dorsai.org                                             jfortt
jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu                                        Joel Furr
jfw@ksr.com                                                                
jgrunenb@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu                         James Grunenberg
jmilbank@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz                                        J Milbank
john.lovett@channel1.com                                        John Lovett
johnbuck@allegro.mit.edu                                          John Buck
jonas@beor.informatik.rwth-aachen.de                         Josef Nelissen
jpatters@Willamette.EDU                                      Jane Patterson
jpsum00@mik.uky.edu                                             Dark Knight
kieran@world.std.com                                         Aaron L Dickey
klein@egr.msu.edu                                                          
krconwa@cs.sandia.gov                                        Kyle R. Conway
larryw@lsid.hp.com                                            Larry Whatley
lassehp@imv.aau.dk                                  Lasse Hiller|e Petersen
lbergen@draco.bison.mb.ca                                     Leslie Bergen
lindag@engin.umich.edu                                        Linda Grischy
lingres6@matai.vuw.ac.nz                                                   
lionel@cs.city.ac.uk                                             Lionel Tun
lmann@orion.oac.uci.edu                                          Larry Mann
lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu                          sometimes a Wombat
lundgren@centauri.unm.edu                                     Chad Lundgren
lwlutz@mailbox.syr.edu                                        Lowell W Lutz
lynn@medicine.newcastle.edu.au                                    Lynn Benn
martelli@cadlab.sublink.org                                   Alex Martelli
mary@ai.mit.edu                                                 Mary S. Lee
mcgregoa@cognos.COM                                         Alayne McGregor
mdw@TC.Cornell.EDU                                               Matt Welsh
me95001@ox.ac.uk                                              Wong Nai Seng
megazone@wpi.WPI.EDU                                             B Bikowicz
mej@world.std.com                                               Mark Jersey
melynda@titipu.resun.com                                       Melynda Reid
mgooley@advtech.uswest.com                                      Mark Gooley
mitch@vesheu.sar.usf.edu                              Mitchell L. Silverman
MIUVDD@lure.latrobe.edu.au                                     SWEET SISTER
mjd@saul.cis.upenn.edu                                   Mark-Jason Dominus
mkuttel@cs.uct.ac.za                                          Shelly Kuttel
mmt@RedBrick.COM                                       Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS
MORROW@FNAL.FNAL.GOV                                            Greg Morrow
mtaranto@Panix.Com                                             Mark Taranto
muir@idiom.berkeley.ca.us                               David Muir Sharnoff
mxm@dcs.ed.ac.uk                                                           
n9241590@henson.cc.wwu.edu                                   Brooks Seymore
nelsonm@oscar.ME.ORST.EDU                                    Michael Nelson
NIEHOFP@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU                                                   
nj@birch.cs.berkeley.edu                                  Narciso Jaramillo
nzr20@amdahlcsdc.com                                        Nicholas Russon
OUTSIDE@UVVM.UVic.CA                                        Richard Pickard
owens@cookiemonster.cc.rochester.edu                             Bill Owens
pchaos!keithm@pail.rain.com                                                
petersm@jacobs.CSOS.ORST.EDU                            Marguerite Petersen
pfc@pacvax.pacersoft.com                                                   
phipps@hep.Physics.McGill.CA                                  Martin Phipps
phydeaux@guru.med.cornell.edu                                 Dave Weingart
pjb4288@ultb.isc.rit.edu                           Pete - Toonatic - Boulay
probe@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu                                       Prabal Nandy
rclark@nyx.cs.du.edu                                     Robert W. F. Clark
rcrowley@zso.dec.com                             Rebecca Leann Smit Crowley
rhogan@scf.usc.edu                                                Ron Hogan
RIAWELCH@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu                                Mad City Blues
riggs@descartes.tec.army.mil                                     Bill Riggs
rmr@annexia.esd.sgi.com                                   Robert M. Reimann
rpwhite@cs.nps.navy.mil                                         R. P. White
rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu                                 Roger Squires
rvacca@cordelia.next.nd.edu                                    robert vacca
s090@brems.ii.uib.no                                                       
S1MBM@ISUVAX.IASTATE.EDU                                                   
samant@cs.uchicago.edu                                                     
sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu                       "Theresa Jarosz Alberti"
sasbmt@unx.sas.com                                            Bruce Tindall
SBRAIL@delphi.com                                                          
SEAWA%RHODES.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu                                         
SECGRD@BROWNVM.brown.edu                                 CIT Security Guard
sfjr@wam.umd.edu                                                     Sherri
sgccstr@citecuc.citec.oz.au                                   Shaun Travers
sho@physics.purdue.edu                                         Sho Kuwamoto
siffert@spot.Colorado.EDU                                    Thunder-Thumbs
SJMATTSON@ALEX.STKATE.EDU                                                  
soft-logik@cup.portal.com                                                  
sommar@enea.se                                            Erland Sommarskog
spaulson@junkets.us.dg.com                                    Steve Paulson
steveha@microsoft.com                                                      
susanm@ncd.com                                               Susan Mitchell
swhelan@Newbridge.COM                                        Stefani Whelan
syd@ecn.purdue.edu                                      Dennis P Hilgenberg
T.J.Aidley@newcastle.ac.uk                                    "T.J. Aidley"
tamora@owlnet.rice.edu                                     Tami Dawn Kimmel
tara@cs.uiuc.edu                                            Tara Madhyastha
thayer@odysseus.uchicago.edu                                    Mike Thayer
Thomas.Lindgren@csd.uu.se                                   Thomas Lindgren
thoth@uiuc.edu                                                      Ben Cox
tillis@icpsr.umich.edu                                         Eddie Tillis
tina%utkvx.BITNET@utkvm1.utk.edu                                           
tomf%ai@gte.com                                                 Tom Fawcett
torben@titan.ucs.umass.edu                                    Torben Dijnes
twpierce@unix.amherst.edu                                        Tim Pierce
valerier@ingres.com                                         Valerie Riveiro
vcd@biosym.com                                            Vicki C. Daughtry
vedder@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu                                    vedder julie ann
vkf@wstar.mil.wi.us                              Vicki Kingsbury - Flanagan
WELKERK@yvax.byu.edu                                                       
wes@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu                              "Wesley Craig"
wetcake@nvg.unit.no                                Jon Terje Kommandantvold
WHEATLEY@SLDV21.UG.EDS.COM                                          GEORGIA
winters+@pitt.edu                                                          
wixer!ralph@cactus.org                                      Ralph Cherubini
wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu                              "I am an android.."
yash@csn.org                                                  Yash Holbrook
z4y092@rick.cs.ubc.ca                                       Richard Gibbons
ZX2J@VAX5.CIT.CORNELL.EDU                                                  

No Votes
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adrie@well.sf.ca.us                                       Adrienne Brambila
ahmed@mansun.lut.ac.uk                                      Ahmed Al-Ashabb
balr!vpnet!vpnet!vagrant@clout.chi.il.us                                   
cdr@kpc.com                                                     Carl Rigney
cmarble@fenris.claremont.edu                                   Chris Marble
culliton@srg.af.mil                                      Tom Culliton x2278
eab@msc.edu                                                  Edward Bertsch
ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu                                      "Eric J. Olson"
enaha@hpb.lut.ac.uk                                            AH Al_ashaab
FSSPR@acad3.alaska.edu                                     Hardcore Alaskan
hansenr@ohsu.EDU                                                           
joel@cs.uwa.edu.au                                             Joel K Kelso
jporter@picard.ksc.nasa.gov                                     John Porter
julian@bongo.tele.com                                       Julian Macassey
knauer@cs.uiuc.edu                                           Rob Knauerhase
mccullou%whipple@cs.wisc.edu                                               
mhpower@Athena.MIT.EDU                                                     
mjn%pseudo.UUCP                                              Murray Nesbitt
mshield@ukelele.GCR.COM                                     Michael Shields
mughal@alumni.cco.caltech.edu                                  A. M. Mughal
naren@tekig1.pen.tek.com                                         Naren Bala
peirce@gumby.cc.wmich.edu                                 Leonard J. Peirce
ralph@cup.portal.com                                                       
rastrong@lumiere.lbl.gov                                  Richard A. Strong
rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu                              Richard H. Miller
ronnie@cisco.com                                            "Ronnie B. Kon"
rp04@Lehigh.EDU                                                   R M Price
shane@spr.com                                                 Shane Hartman
stu@valinor.mythical.com                                       Stu Labovitz
tbas@sybase.com                                                Tony Basoglu
write@lamar.ColoState.EDU                                          Glen Cox
-- 
It has come to our considered attention that in a large majority of
cases, far too many people use a great deal more words than is
absolutely necessary when engaged in the practice of writing sentences.

 
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