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From [email protected] Thu Mar 11 11:31:49 1993
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From: [email protected] (Peter Horn)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,alt.prose,misc.writing,bit.listserv.literary
Subject: RFD: rec.arts.prose
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Discussion: creation of rec.art.prose
-------------------------------------

Motivation:
-----------
There is a newsgroup rec.art.poems on the net, but none for
fictional prose works. There is a group alt.prose, but it does
not reach all stations on the net.

Possible Charter:
-----------------
A group where writers can post short prose fiction.

Unmoderated at least initially.
-------------------------------

If you are interested, please contact:
Peter Horn, University of Cape Town.
[email protected]

From [email protected] Fri Apr 16 10:39:44 1993
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From: [email protected] (Peter Horn)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,misc.writing,alt.prose,bit.listserv.literary
Subject: CFV: rec.arts.prose
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Call for votes: Creation of rec.art.prose
-----------------------------------------

This is a formal Call For Votes for or against the creation of an
unmoderated Usenet newsgroup called "rec.arts.prose".

VOTING PROCEDURES
In order to vote, send a message to
        [email protected]
containing in the Subject: line either `yes' or `no' and 'rec.arts.prose',
for example
        Subject: I vote YES for rec.arts.prose
                                 or
        Subject: I vote NO for rec.arts.prose

Letter case does not matter.

If you suspect that either your name or address do not appear correctly in
the From: field, include them in the body of your letter.

The voting period will be from April 15 through May 15, 1993. This
message will be posted three times during the period. Only votes
received during the period will be counted. No more than one vote from
the same address can be sent. Votes posted to a newsgroup will not be
counted.

VOTE OUTCOME
In accordance with the traditions of the Usenet, the newsgroup will be
created only if more than 2/3 of the voters vote YES _and_ 100 persons more
vote YES than NO.

Proposed Charter:
-----------------

A group where writers can post short prose fiction.  Criticism and
suggestions on the fiction posted can be posted on the net in
rec.arts.prose or by email to the poster.  The group will accomodate
discussion of prose fiction in general, similar to the way in which
rec.arts.poems allows for posting of poems and discussion.  Posters
should keep to the normal length of a short story, approximately 800
lines.  Novel-length prose fiction should be posted in short chapters
over a period of time.

Other more technical matters involving writing, such as publication
outlets, publishers, journals, and literary agents, are more
appropriately discussed in misc.writing.

Discussion of literature in general takes place in bit.listserv.literary
and rec.arts.books.
 
Copyright
---------

As is the case on the Net in general, it is an offence to post
copyrighted material without the consent of the copyright owner.
Short pieces can be quoted in a discussion, as is the case in academic
work on fiction.  Anything posted to the net automatically is
copyright protected in countries agreeing to the Berne Convention, and
can be republished only with the consent of the author, except where
the author expressly releases his posting into the public domain.  

To make your intentions clear, posters are advised to add a Copyright
199x by Name of the Author to their posting, if they intend to keep
copyright.

Unmoderated at least initially.
-------------------------------
Until such time as the traffic is of such a volume, or there are other
reasons for introducing a moderated group, the group will be
unmoderated.
-- 
Peter Horn, UCT: [email protected]

From [email protected] Wed Apr 28 18:56:21 1993
Path: uunet!tale
From: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,misc.writing,alt.prose,bit.listserv.literary
Subject: Cancelled CFV: rec.arts.prose
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The current Call for Votes (CFV) for rec.arts.prose is being
cancelled due to an inadvertent breach of commonly accepted proper
vote taker behaviour.  In accordance with established precedent for
similar situations, this vote can be restarted immediately.

The vote taker targetted individuals who had posted in literature-
related groups to receive email copies of the call for votes.  Though
there is no written guideline against this, which can be considered
nothing but a fault, it is generally accepted by those people who are
involved with the newsgroup creation process that such solicitation,
even when not actively asking for votes in favour of the proposal,
causes further bias in the poll.

This case was actually quite minor, but had the potential to establish
a very bad precedent.  Recognizing that this also could lead to much
controversy and possibly hurt the chances of creation of the group,
the vote taker has elected to step down, while noting his objection to
being expected to follow rules that he had never seen documented.

A new vote taker, who is familiar with the conduct of USENET
newsgroup creation polls, is being solicited to restart this vote.  If
you would like to volunteer, please send a message to
[email protected]

A revised version of the newsgroup creation guidelines is in the works
which attempts to clarify and improve on many areas of the current
guidelines.  They should be available for public review within a month
or so, hopefully a few weeks before USENIX.

David Lawrence                          moderator, news.announce.newgroups

From [email protected] Thu May  6 14:55:44 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,misc.writing,alt.prose,bit.listserv.literary
Subject: CFV: rec.arts.prose
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[ rec.arts.prose voters - you probably don't know me.  I've run
several group votes.  Dave Lawrence wanted the CFV to happen again
with a minimum of delay, and I volunteered. -- Ron Dippold ]

CALL FOR VOTES: creation of rec.art.prose

This is a formal Call For Votes for or against the creation of an
unmoderated Usenet newsgroup called "rec.arts.prose".

The rationale and charter of the group are given below the voting
information.


VOTING

To vote, send a MAIL message to [email protected] (the easiest way
to do this in most cases is to just Reply to this message), containing
ONE of the following lines in the body of your reply:

  I vote FOR the creation of rec.arts.prose
  I vote AGAINST the creation of rec.arts.prose

It doesn't have to be exact, but it has to contain "rec.arts.prose" and
either "for" "against" "yes" or "no".  The easiest way to do this is to
just delete everything except the line that registers your opinion.  You
should get an automatic acknowledgement within a few days of receipt of
your vote.

Only one vote per person or account.  Mail messages only, no public
posts.


VOTING DETAILS

The voting period will be from the time of posting of this message
through 11:59 PM GMT May 28, 1993.  Only votes recieved during that time
will be counted.  During this period I will be posting two more CFVs and
mass acknowledgement lists of all voters.  After the vote is over, I
will post the results prior to Monday, May 31, 1993.  This will include
a complete list of all voters and how they voted.


VOTE OUTCOME

In accordance with the traditions of the Usenet, the newsgroup will be
created only if 2/3 or more of the voters vote YES and there are at
least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.


VOTER ETHICS

I'm unbiased.  You wouldn't believe how unbiased I am on this...  I
don't care whether this passes or not.  Regardless, I pledge not to
solict votes for or against the vote.  I will mail copies of the CFV to
any who request it or who vote incorrectly and need the CFV to vote
again.

Proposed Charter:
-----------------

A group where writers can post short prose fiction.  Criticism and
suggestions on the fiction posted can be posted on the net in
rec.arts.prose or by email to the poster.  The group will accomodate
discussion of prose fiction in general, similar to the way in which
rec.arts.poems allows for posting of poems and discussion.  Posters
should keep to the normal length of a short story, approximately 800
lines.  Novel-length prose fiction should be posted in short chapters
over a period of time.

Other more technical matters involving writing, such as publication
outlets, publishers, journals, and literary agents, are more
appropriately discussed in misc.writing.

Discussion of literature in general takes place in bit.listserv.literary
and rec.arts.books.
 
Copyright
---------

As is the case on the Net in general, it is an offence to post
copyrighted material without the consent of the copyright owner.
Short pieces can be quoted in a discussion, as is the case in academic
work on fiction.  Anything posted to the net automatically is
copyright protected in countries agreeing to the Berne Convention, and
can be republished only with the consent of the author, except where
the author expressly releases his posting into the public domain.  

To make your intentions clear, posters are advised to add a Copyright
199x by Name of the Author to their posting, if they intend to keep
copyright.

Unmoderated at least initially.
-------------------------------
Until such time as the traffic is of such a volume, or there are other
reasons for introducing a moderated group, the group will be
unmoderated.
-- 
Sorry, Plucky.  Pigs make lousy ninjas! -- Hamton

From [email protected] Tue May 11 08:42:35 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,misc.writing,alt.prose,bit.listserv.literary
Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: rec.arts.prose
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CALL FOR VOTES: creation of rec.art.prose

This is a formal Call For Votes for or against the creation of an
unmoderated Usenet newsgroup called "rec.arts.prose".

The rationale and charter of the group are given below the voting
information.


VOTING

To vote, send a MAIL message to [email protected] (the easiest way
to do this in most cases is to just Reply to this message), containing
ONE of the following lines in the body of your reply:

  I vote FOR the creation of rec.arts.prose
  I vote AGAINST the creation of rec.arts.prose

The easiest way to do this is to just delete everything except the
line that registers your opinion.  You should get an automatic
acknowledgement within a few days of receipt of your vote.

Only one vote per person or account.  Mail messages only, no public
posts.


VOTING DETAILS

The voting period will run through 11:59 PM GMT May 28, 1993.  Only
votes recieved during that time will be counted.  During this period I
will be posting two more CFVs and mass acknowledgement lists of all
voters.  After the vote is over, I will post the results prior to
Monday, May 31, 1993.  This will include a complete list of all voters
and how they voted.


VOTE OUTCOME

In accordance with the traditions of the Usenet, the newsgroup will be
created only if 2/3 or more of the voters vote YES and there are at
least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.


VOTER ETHICS

I'm unbiased.  You wouldn't believe how unbiased I am on this...  I
don't care whether this passes or not.  Regardless, I pledge not to
solict votes for or against the vote.  I will mail copies of the CFV to
any who request it or who vote incorrectly and need the CFV to vote
again.



Proposed Charter:
-----------------

A group where writers can post short prose fiction.  Criticism and
suggestions on the fiction posted can be posted on the net in
rec.arts.prose or by email to the poster.  The group will accomodate
discussion of prose fiction in general, similar to the way in which
rec.arts.poems allows for posting of poems and discussion.  Posters
should keep to the normal length of a short story, approximately 800
lines.  Novel-length prose fiction should be posted in short chapters
over a period of time.

Other more technical matters involving writing, such as publication
outlets, publishers, journals, and literary agents, are more
appropriately discussed in misc.writing.

Discussion of literature in general takes place in bit.listserv.literary
and rec.arts.books.
 
Copyright
---------

As is the case on the Net in general, it is an offence to post
copyrighted material without the consent of the copyright owner.
Short pieces can be quoted in a discussion, as is the case in academic
work on fiction.  Anything posted to the net automatically is
copyright protected in countries agreeing to the Berne Convention, and
can be republished only with the consent of the author, except where
the author expressly releases his posting into the public domain.  

To make your intentions clear, posters are advised to add a Copyright
199x by Name of the Author to their posting, if they intend to keep
copyright.

Unmoderated at least initially.
-------------------------------
Until such time as the traffic is of such a volume, or there are other
reasons for introducing a moderated group, the group will be
unmoderated.



Mass Ack - this is a list of everyone whose vote I have recieved by
Thursday, May 6, 1993.

6500null%[email protected]                                        -Null-
[email protected]                                      Colin Morton
[email protected]                                       Adrienne Brambila
[email protected]                                   
[email protected]                                   Arthur Rimbaud
[email protected]                                 Brian SPENCER
[email protected]                                                     Carl Rigney
[email protected]                                                       
[email protected]                                            Pope Clifton
[email protected]                                   Chris Marble
[email protected]                                       Ray J Cornwall
[email protected]                                              Colin Bell
[email protected]                          Mark "Crimson" Friedman
[email protected]                                      Tom Culliton x2278
[email protected]                                  Curtis Yarvin
[email protected]                                                      dack
[email protected]                                        David Conrad
[email protected]                                                      dawn
[email protected]                                        Diana Boyd
[email protected]                                 Jonathan Schilling
[email protected]                                              Don Zirilli
[email protected]                                       Andrew Trapp
[email protected]                                              Dawn Suchy
[email protected]                                                   
[email protected]                                            AH Al_ashaab
[email protected]                                Greg Fishbone
[email protected]                                      Carwil James
[email protected]                                  "John C. Fowler"
[email protected]                             Gregory C Franklin
[email protected]                                                          
[email protected]                                     Hardcore Alaskan
[email protected]                           Greg Nikolic
[email protected]                                              Geir Stensrud
[email protected]                                        Bill Gibson
[email protected]                                                           
[email protected]                                        B.J.
[email protected]                                           Mike H.
[email protected]                                        Jenny Ballmann
[email protected]                                                       
[email protected]                                                       
[email protected]                                        Joel Furr
[email protected]                                                                
[email protected]                                             Joel K Kelso
[email protected]                                          John Buck
[email protected]                                      Jane Patterson
[email protected]                                             Dark Knight
[email protected]                                         Aaron L Dickey
[email protected]                                     Leslie Bergen
[email protected]                          sometimes a Wombat
[email protected]                                        Lowell W Lutz
[email protected]                                    Lynn Benn
[email protected]                                                 Mary S. Lee
mccullou%[email protected]                                               
[email protected]                                              Wong Nai Seng
[email protected]                                      Mark Gooley
[email protected]                                   Mark-Jason Dominus
[email protected]                                       Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS
[email protected]                                            Greg Morrow
[email protected]                                     Michael Shields
[email protected]                                             Mark Taranto
[email protected]                               David Muir Sharnoff
[email protected]                                         Naren Bala
[email protected]                                    Michael Nelson
[email protected]                                                   
[email protected]                             Bill Owens
[email protected]                                 Leonard J. Peirce
[email protected]                            Marguerite Petersen
[email protected]                                                   
[email protected]                                  Martin Phipps
[email protected]                                 Dave Weingart
[email protected]                           Pete - Toonatic - Boulay
[email protected]                                       Prabal Nandy
[email protected]                                     Robert W. F. Clark
[email protected]                                                Ron Hogan
[email protected]                              Richard H. Miller
[email protected]                                 Roger Squires
[email protected]                                                   
[email protected]                                                     
[email protected]                       "Theresa Jarosz Alberti"
[email protected]                                            Bruce Tindall
SEAWA%[email protected]                                         
[email protected]                                                     Sherri
[email protected]                                   Shaun Travers
[email protected]                                         Sho Kuwamoto
[email protected]                                    Thunder-Thumbs
[email protected]                                            Erland Sommarskog
[email protected]                                    Steve Paulson
[email protected]                                                      
[email protected]                                       Stu Labovitz
[email protected]                                      Dennis P Hilgenberg
[email protected]                                     Tami Dawn Kimmel
[email protected]                                    Mike Thayer
[email protected]                                                      Ben Cox
tomf%[email protected]                                                 Tom Fawcett
[email protected]                                        Tim Pierce
[email protected]                                            Vicki C. Daughtry
[email protected]                              "Wesley Craig"
[email protected]                                      Ralph Cherubini
[email protected]                                          Glen Cox
-- 
They say the wages of sin are death, but after they take out taxes, all that's
left is a tired feeling.

From [email protected] Thu May 20 09:56:27 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,misc.writing,alt.prose,bit.listserv.literary
Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK: rec.arts.prose
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CALL FOR VOTES: creation of rec.art.prose

This is a formal Call For Votes for or against the creation of an
unmoderated Usenet newsgroup called "rec.arts.prose".  This is the
_final_ CFV for this group.

The rationale and charter of the group are given below the voting
information.


VOTING

To vote, send a MAIL message to [email protected] (the easiest way
to do this in most cases is to just Reply to this message), containing
ONE of the following lines in the body of your reply:

  I vote FOR the creation of rec.arts.prose
  I vote AGAINST the creation of rec.arts.prose

The easiest way to do this is to just delete everything except the
line that registers your opinion.  You should get an automatic
acknowledgement within a few days of receipt of your vote.

Only one vote per person or account.  Mail messages only, no public
posts.


VOTING DETAILS

The voting period will run through 11:59 PM GMT May 28, 1993.  Only
votes recieved during that time will be counted.  After the vote is
over, I will post the results prior to Monday, May 31, 1993.  This
will include a complete list of all voters and how they voted.


VOTE OUTCOME

In accordance with the traditions of the Usenet, the newsgroup will be
created only if 2/3 or more of the voters vote YES and there are at
least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.


VOTER ETHICS

I'm unbiased.  You wouldn't believe how unbiased I am on this...  I
don't care whether this passes or not.  Regardless, I pledge not to
solict votes for or against the vote.  I will mail copies of the CFV to
any who request it or who vote incorrectly and need the CFV to vote
again.



Proposed Charter:
-----------------

A group where writers can post short prose fiction.  Criticism and
suggestions on the fiction posted can be posted on the net in
rec.arts.prose or by email to the poster.  The group will accomodate
discussion of prose fiction in general, similar to the way in which
rec.arts.poems allows for posting of poems and discussion.  Posters
should keep to the normal length of a short story, approximately 800
lines.  Novel-length prose fiction should be posted in short chapters
over a period of time.

Other more technical matters involving writing, such as publication
outlets, publishers, journals, and literary agents, are more
appropriately discussed in misc.writing.

Discussion of literature in general takes place in bit.listserv.literary
and rec.arts.books.
 
Copyright
---------

As is the case on the Net in general, it is an offence to post
copyrighted material without the consent of the copyright owner.
Short pieces can be quoted in a discussion, as is the case in academic
work on fiction.  Anything posted to the net automatically is
copyright protected in countries agreeing to the Berne Convention, and
can be republished only with the consent of the author, except where
the author expressly releases his posting into the public domain.  

To make your intentions clear, posters are advised to add a Copyright
199x by Name of the Author to their posting, if they intend to keep
copyright.

Unmoderated at least initially.
-------------------------------
Until such time as the traffic is of such a volume, or there are other
reasons for introducing a moderated group, the group will be
unmoderated.



Mass Ack - this is a list of everyone whose vote I have recieved by
early Friday, May 14, 1993.

[email protected]                                               Andy
6500null%[email protected]                                        -Null-
[email protected]                                 "Warren A Norgaard"
[email protected]                                      Colin Morton
[email protected]                              Linus "E.A." Twizell
[email protected]                                              a Francis Uy
[email protected]                                       Adrienne Brambila
[email protected]                                      Ahmed Al-Ashabb
[email protected]                                                 AJ Madison
[email protected]                   Jesus Eugenio S nchez Pe~a
[email protected]                                      Andrew Hackard
[email protected]                                   
[email protected]                                   
[email protected]                              dan a. bealmear
[email protected]                                              
[email protected]                                                Ben Ettinger
[email protected]                                   Arthur Rimbaud
[email protected]                                           Tom Boutell
[email protected]                                 Brian SPENCER
[email protected]                                    Brad Wallet
[email protected]                                                     Carl Rigney
[email protected]                                                       
[email protected]                                                 Henry Chang
[email protected]                                                      chaos
[email protected]                                                            
[email protected]                                              Andrew Clark
[email protected]                                            Pope Clifton
[email protected]                                   Chris Marble
[email protected]                    "S." Green
[email protected]                                       Ray J Cornwall
[email protected]                                              Colin Bell
[email protected]                          Mark "Crimson" Friedman
[email protected]                                      Tom Culliton x2278
[email protected]                                  Curtis Yarvin
[email protected]                                                      dack
[email protected]_net                                         William Daffer
[email protected]                                        David Conrad
[email protected]                                                      dawn
[email protected]                                        Diana Boyd
[email protected]                                 Jonathan Schilling
[email protected]                                       Richard Deadman
[email protected]                                              Don Zirilli
[email protected]                                        Dave Peel (Security
[email protected]                                       Andrew Trapp
[email protected]                                              Dawn Suchy
[email protected]                                                   
[email protected]                                       "Daniel C. Wang"
[email protected]                               Elizabeth Barratt
[email protected]                                             Edward Reid
[email protected]                                      "Eric J. Olson"
[email protected]                                            AH Al_ashaab
[email protected]                                Greg Fishbone
[email protected]                                      Carwil James
[email protected]                                  "John C. Fowler"
[email protected]                             Gregory C Franklin
[email protected]                                                          
[email protected]                                     Hardcore Alaskan
[email protected]                           Greg Nikolic
[email protected]                                              Geir Stensrud
[email protected]                                 Gregory G. Woodbury
[email protected]com                                        Bill Gibson
[email protected]                                    Greg Astoorian
[email protected]                                         Steve Gussenhoven
[email protected]                                             Random
[email protected]                                                           
[email protected]                                        B.J.
[email protected]                                                  
[email protected]                                          Hockemeyer
[email protected]                                           Mike H.
[email protected]                                         James Conrad Shea
[email protected]                                        Jenny Ballmann
[email protected]                                                       
[email protected]                                                       
[email protected]                                        Joel Furr
[email protected]                                                                
[email protected]                                             Joel K Kelso
[email protected]                                          John Buck
[email protected]                         Josef Nelissen
[email protected]                                      Jane Patterson
[email protected]                                     John Porter
[email protected]                                             Dark Knight
[email protected]                                         Aaron L Dickey
[email protected]                                  Lasse Hiller|e Petersen
[email protected]                                     Leslie Bergen
[email protected]                                        Linda Grischy
[email protected]                                             Lionel Tun
[email protected]                                          Larry Mann
[email protected]                          sometimes a Wombat
[email protected]                                        Lowell W Lutz
[email protected]                                    Lynn Benn
[email protected]                                   Alex Martelli
[email protected]                                                 Mary S. Lee
mccullou%[email protected]                                               
[email protected]                                               Matt Welsh
[email protected]                                              Wong Nai Seng
[email protected]                                             B Bikowicz
[email protected]                                               Mark Jersey
[email protected]                                       Melynda Reid
[email protected]                                      Mark Gooley
[email protected]                                                     
[email protected]                                     SWEET SISTER
[email protected]                                   Mark-Jason Dominus
mjn%pseudo.UUCP                                              Murray Nesbitt
[email protected]                                       Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS
[email protected]                                            Greg Morrow
[email protected]                                     Michael Shields
[email protected]                                             Mark Taranto
[email protected]                               David Muir Sharnoff
[email protected]                                                           
[email protected]                                         Naren Bala
[email protected]                                    Michael Nelson
[email protected]                                                   
[email protected]                                        Nicholas Russon
[email protected]                                        Richard Pickard
[email protected]                             Bill Owens
[email protected]                                 Leonard J. Peirce
[email protected]                            Marguerite Petersen
[email protected]                                                   
[email protected]                                  Martin Phipps
[email protected]                                 Dave Weingart
[email protected]                           Pete - Toonatic - Boulay
[email protected]                                       Prabal Nandy
[email protected]                                                       
[email protected]                                  Richard A. Strong
[email protected]                                     Robert W. F. Clark
[email protected]                             Rebecca Leann Smit Crowley
[email protected]                                                Ron Hogan
[email protected]                                Mad City Blues
[email protected]                              Richard H. Miller
[email protected]                                     Bill Riggs
[email protected]                                   Robert M. Reimann
[email protected]                                                   R M Price
[email protected]                                 Roger Squires
[email protected]                                                   
[email protected]                                                   
[email protected]                                                     
[email protected]                       "Theresa Jarosz Alberti"
[email protected]                                            Bruce Tindall
SEAWA%[email protected]                                         
[email protected]                                                     Sherri
[email protected]                                   Shaun Travers
[email protected]                                         Sho Kuwamoto
[email protected]                                    Thunder-Thumbs
[email protected]                                                  
[email protected]                                            Erland Sommarskog
[email protected]                                    Steve Paulson
[email protected]                                                      
[email protected]                                       Stu Labovitz
[email protected]                                               Susan Mitchell
[email protected]                                      Dennis P Hilgenberg
[email protected]                                    "T.J. Aidley"
[email protected]                                     Tami Dawn Kimmel
[email protected]                                            Tara Madhyastha
[email protected]                                                Tony Basoglu
[email protected]                                    Mike Thayer
[email protected]                                                      Ben Cox
tomf%[email protected]                                                 Tom Fawcett
[email protected]                                        Tim Pierce
[email protected]                                            Vicki C. Daughtry
[email protected]                              "Wesley Craig"
[email protected]                                Jon Terje Kommandantvold
[email protected]                                      Ralph Cherubini
[email protected]                              "I am an android.."
[email protected]                                          Glen Cox
[email protected]                                                  Yash Holbrook
-- 
I do this kind of stuff to him all through the thread.

From [email protected] Mon Jun  7 10:37:14 1993
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From: [email protected] (Ron Dippold)
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Subject: RESULT: rec.arts.prose passes 188:31
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The unmoderated group rec.arts.prose has passed its second vote
handily:

rec.arts.prose vote results - 219 votes
 
 Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
 188   31 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : rec.arts.prose

Unless any voting irregularities appear, expect the newgroup message
in about a week or so.  Followups set to news.groups.  Email asking me
about the group won't do you much good, since I just took the vote.
Ask on one of the groups listed above.

UseVote was used in this vote...



Proposed Charter:
-----------------

A group where writers can post short prose fiction.  Criticism and
suggestions on the fiction posted can be posted on the net in
rec.arts.prose or by email to the poster.  The group will accomodate
discussion of prose fiction in general, similar to the way in which
rec.arts.poems allows for posting of poems and discussion.  Posters
should keep to the normal length of a short story, approximately 800
lines.  Novel-length prose fiction should be posted in short chapters
over a period of time.

Other more technical matters involving writing, such as publication
outlets, publishers, journals, and literary agents, are more
appropriately discussed in misc.writing.

Discussion of literature in general takes place in bit.listserv.literary
and rec.arts.books.
 
Copyright
---------

As is the case on the Net in general, it is an offence to post
copyrighted material without the consent of the copyright owner.
Short pieces can be quoted in a discussion, as is the case in academic
work on fiction.  Anything posted to the net automatically is
copyright protected in countries agreeing to the Berne Convention, and
can be republished only with the consent of the author, except where
the author expressly releases his posting into the public domain.  

To make your intentions clear, posters are advised to add a Copyright
199x by Name of the Author to their posting, if they intend to keep
copyright.

Unmoderated at least initially.
-------------------------------
Until such time as the traffic is of such a volume, or there are other
reasons for introducing a moderated group, the group will be
unmoderated.



rec.arts.prose vote Final Vote Ack

Yes Votes
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[email protected]                                               Andy
6500null%[email protected]                                        -Null-
[email protected]                                 "Warren A Norgaard"
[email protected]                                      Fran Rosen
[email protected]                                      Colin Morton
[email protected]                              Linus "E.A." Twizell
[email protected]                                              a Francis Uy
[email protected]                                                 AJ Madison
[email protected]                   Jesus Eugenio S nchez Pe~a
[email protected]                                                              
[email protected]                                      Andrew Hackard
[email protected]                              dan a. bealmear
[email protected]                                              
[email protected]                                                Ben Ettinger
[email protected]                                   Arthur Rimbaud
[email protected]                          benn bet nun nun lewis
[email protected]                                           Tom Boutell
[email protected]                                 Brian SPENCER
[email protected]                                    Brad Wallet
[email protected]                                                       
[email protected]                                                 Henry Chang
[email protected]                                                      chaos
[email protected]                                                            
[email protected]                                              Andrew Clark
[email protected]                                            Pope Clifton
[email protected]                    "S." Green
[email protected]                                       Ray J Cornwall
[email protected]                                     Craig Arnold
[email protected]                                              Colin Bell
[email protected]                          Mark "Crimson" Friedman
[email protected]                                  Curtis Yarvin
[email protected]                                                  
[email protected]                                                      dack
[email protected]_net                                         William Daffer
[email protected]                                        David Conrad
[email protected]                                                      dawn
[email protected]                                        Diana Boyd
[email protected]                                 Jonathan Schilling
[email protected]                                       Richard Deadman
[email protected]                        Chris Taylor
[email protected]                                   Denise Porter
[email protected]                                 david gregory hart
[email protected]                                                 
[email protected]                                              Don Zirilli
[email protected]                                        Dave Peel (Security
[email protected]                                       Andrew Trapp
[email protected]                                              Dawn Suchy
[email protected]                                                   
[email protected]                                            "Linda"
[email protected]                                       "Daniel C. Wang"
[email protected]                               Elizabeth Barratt
[email protected]                                             Edward Reid
[email protected]                                               Edmond Chow
[email protected]                                       Eero Kankaanp{{
[email protected]                                       Elf Sternberg
[email protected]                                Marcus Eubanks
[email protected]                                Greg Fishbone
[email protected]                                      Carwil James
[email protected]                                                     
[email protected]                                  "John C. Fowler"
[email protected]                             Gregory C Franklin
[email protected]                                                          
[email protected]                           Greg Nikolic
[email protected]                                              Geir Stensrud
[email protected]                                 Gregory G. Woodbury
[email protected]                                        Bill Gibson
[email protected]                                    Greg Astoorian
[email protected]                                         Steve Gussenhoven
[email protected]                                             Random
[email protected]               Hawadm Hawaii Administrative Temps
[email protected]                                        B.J.
[email protected]                                                  
[email protected]                                          sam frajerman
[email protected]                                          Hockemeyer
[email protected]                                           Mike H.
[email protected]                                         James Conrad Shea
[email protected]                                        Jenny Ballmann
[email protected]                                                       
[email protected]                                             jfortt
[email protected]                                        Joel Furr
[email protected]                                                                
[email protected]                         James Grunenberg
[email protected]                                        J Milbank
[email protected]                                        John Lovett
[email protected]                                          John Buck
[email protected]                         Josef Nelissen
[email protected]                                      Jane Patterson
[email protected]                                             Dark Knight
[email protected]                                         Aaron L Dickey
[email protected]                                                          
[email protected]                                        Kyle R. Conway
[email protected]                                            Larry Whatley
[email protected]                                  Lasse Hiller|e Petersen
[email protected]                                     Leslie Bergen
[email protected]                                        Linda Grischy
[email protected]                                                   
[email protected]                                             Lionel Tun
[email protected]                                          Larry Mann
[email protected]                          sometimes a Wombat
[email protected]                                     Chad Lundgren
[email protected]                                        Lowell W Lutz
[email protected]                                    Lynn Benn
[email protected]                                   Alex Martelli
[email protected]                                                 Mary S. Lee
[email protected]                                         Alayne McGregor
[email protected]                                               Matt Welsh
[email protected]                                              Wong Nai Seng
[email protected]                                             B Bikowicz
[email protected]                                               Mark Jersey
[email protected]                                       Melynda Reid
[email protected]                                      Mark Gooley
[email protected]                              Mitchell L. Silverman
[email protected]                                     SWEET SISTER
[email protected]                                   Mark-Jason Dominus
[email protected]                                          Shelly Kuttel
[email protected]                                       Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS
[email protected]                                            Greg Morrow
[email protected]                                             Mark Taranto
[email protected]                               David Muir Sharnoff
[email protected]                                                           
[email protected]                                   Brooks Seymore
[email protected]                                    Michael Nelson
[email protected]                                                   
[email protected]                                  Narciso Jaramillo
[email protected]                                        Nicholas Russon
[email protected]                                        Richard Pickard
[email protected]                             Bill Owens
[email protected]                                                
[email protected]                            Marguerite Petersen
[email protected]                                                   
[email protected]                                  Martin Phipps
[email protected]                                 Dave Weingart
[email protected]                           Pete - Toonatic - Boulay
[email protected]                                       Prabal Nandy
[email protected]                                     Robert W. F. Clark
[email protected]                             Rebecca Leann Smit Crowley
[email protected]                                                Ron Hogan
[email protected]                                Mad City Blues
[email protected]                                     Bill Riggs
[email protected]                                   Robert M. Reimann
[email protected]                                         R. P. White
[email protected]                                 Roger Squires
[email protected]                                    robert vacca
[email protected]                                                       
[email protected]                                                   
[email protected]                                                     
[email protected]                       "Theresa Jarosz Alberti"
[email protected]                                            Bruce Tindall
[email protected]                                                          
SEAWA%[email protected]                                         
[email protected]                                 CIT Security Guard
[email protected]                                                     Sherri
[email protected]                                   Shaun Travers
[email protected]                                         Sho Kuwamoto
[email protected]                                    Thunder-Thumbs
[email protected]                                                  
[email protected]                                                  
[email protected]                                            Erland Sommarskog
[email protected]                                    Steve Paulson
[email protected]                                                      
[email protected]                                               Susan Mitchell
[email protected]                                        Stefani Whelan
[email protected]                                      Dennis P Hilgenberg
[email protected]                                    "T.J. Aidley"
[email protected]                                     Tami Dawn Kimmel
[email protected]                                            Tara Madhyastha
[email protected]                                    Mike Thayer
[email protected]                                   Thomas Lindgren
[email protected]                                                      Ben Cox
[email protected]                                         Eddie Tillis
tina%[email protected]                                           
tomf%[email protected]                                                 Tom Fawcett
[email protected]                                    Torben Dijnes
[email protected]                                        Tim Pierce
[email protected]                                         Valerie Riveiro
[email protected]                                            Vicki C. Daughtry
[email protected]                                    vedder julie ann
[email protected]                              Vicki Kingsbury - Flanagan
[email protected]                                                       
[email protected]                              "Wesley Craig"
[email protected]                                Jon Terje Kommandantvold
[email protected]                                          GEORGIA
[email protected]                                                          
[email protected]                                      Ralph Cherubini
[email protected]                              "I am an android.."
[email protected]                                                  Yash Holbrook
[email protected]                                       Richard Gibbons
[email protected]                                                  

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[email protected]                                       Adrienne Brambila
[email protected]                                      Ahmed Al-Ashabb
[email protected]                                   
[email protected]                                                     Carl Rigney
[email protected]                                   Chris Marble
[email protected]                                      Tom Culliton x2278
[email protected]                                                  Edward Bertsch
[email protected]                                      "Eric J. Olson"
[email protected]                                            AH Al_ashaab
[email protected]                                     Hardcore Alaskan
[email protected]                                                           
[email protected]                                             Joel K Kelso
[email protected]                                     John Porter
[email protected]                                       Julian Macassey
[email protected]                                           Rob Knauerhase
mccullou%[email protected]                                               
[email protected]                                                     
mjn%pseudo.UUCP                                              Murray Nesbitt
[email protected]                                     Michael Shields
[email protected]                                  A. M. Mughal
[email protected]                                         Naren Bala
[email protected]                                 Leonard J. Peirce
[email protected]                                                       
[email protected]                                  Richard A. Strong
[email protected]                              Richard H. Miller
[email protected]                                            "Ronnie B. Kon"
[email protected]                                                   R M Price
[email protected]                                                 Shane Hartman
[email protected]                                       Stu Labovitz
[email protected]                                                Tony Basoglu
[email protected]                                          Glen Cox
-- 
It has come to our considered attention that in a large majority of
cases, far too many people use a great deal more words than is
absolutely necessary when engaged in the practice of writing sentences.

 
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