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Scale construction ( rec.models.scale )
 
From rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com Tue Jul 28 17:53:48 1992
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From: rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray)
Subject: RFD: rec.models.scale
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I would like to open a Request For Discussion on a group to be named 
rec.models.scale, to discuss the various aspects of scale modeling. While there
exist groups such as rec.models.rc and rec.models.railroad, their specific
nature leave many hobbyists excluded from the majority of discussions (all, in
some cases). The group I propose is meant to exist in place with the current
rec.models.* groups. I have included a rough draft, tentative charter below as
a starting point for discussion. I would like discussion and revision of the
charter to take place for at least 3 weeks, and no more than 4 weeks, before a
vote will be taken. Thank you.

                  Proposed Charter for rec.models.scale
                  -------------------------------------

PURPOSE
=======
The designated purpose of this group is to discuss the hobby of scale
modeling. Within this realm is included static (display) models, radio-
controlled models built to specific designs, railroad modeling, model
rocketry, and many other aspects. However, the scope of this group is
restricted to construction techniques and issues, discussion of materials
and kits, discussion of local, national, and international events, and
other topics that pertain to the general hobby of craftsmanship. This
group is not a forum for discussion of controls (radio or remote), for
discussion of performance of RC engines, rocket motors, or any other
subject that, while part of a modeling-related hobby, does not pertain
to craft skills. This group is meant to, among it's primary purposes,
augment the existing rec.models.* groups by providing a forum for the
reader that is more directed towards "How do I do this?" rather than
"Brand X motors only deliver half the promised power." While modeling
is generally associated with plastic kits and IPMS (the International
Plastic Modeler's Society), this group will not be affliated with IPMS,
nor will it be limited to plastic modeling.

GUIDELINES
==========

1) The group will be unmoderated.

2) The group will be under the existing rec.models hierarchy, and exist
to provide discussion in areas not generally covered by rec.models.railroad,
rec.models.rc, or rec.models.rockets.

3) Any discussion pertaining to craftsmanship, review of materials or
kits, events pertaining to the hobby, events such as air exhibits that
pertain to original subjects modeled, or request for information about
any aforementioned subject, is welcomed. Subjects such as comparisons of
motors for functional models, or engines for flying rockets or aircraft,
is discouraged. "Help needed trying to mount Brand X engine in my home-
built model plane" is within this sphere, where "Brand Y remote system
doesn't work 20 feet away" is more suited for rec.models.rc, as a
question about the proposed NMRA (National Model Railroad Association)
Control Standard, which deals not with the construction and painting of
the models, but rather with the controlling of operational models, is
outside the sphere.

4) The forum is not sanctioned by, recognized by, or in anyway associated
with the International Plastic Modelers' Society, the National Model
Railroad Association, the Association of Military Modelers, or any such
hobby organization.

5) The forum is not devoted solely to modeling exact duplicates of hist-
orical items. Science fiction, fantasy, or any other imaginative subjects
are equally welcome. The forum recognizes that people model that which
interests them, be it a prototype F-4 Phantom II, or an entirely fictional
spacecraft. The purpose is to discuss technique, not debate selection.

6) The forum is not restricted to plastic modeling. The finest craftsmen
use those mediums which suit their task. They do not fit the task to a
specific material. Discussion of metal, wood, plastic, fiberglass, or
any other materials is within the sphere of the newsgroup.

NAME
====
The name rec.models.scale was chosen for several reasons:
        1) To fit within the hierarchy already established by rec.models.rc,
                rec.models.rockets, and rec.models.railroad.
        2) Because the name does not imply any bias to a specific topic
                in modeling, or a specific approach.
        3) And because all models are built to represent a specific subject
                in a display medium relative in size to the original. Even
                when the original is fictional in its own origin, there is
                still an element of scale in the fact that the model can be
                (and generally is) a different size, usually smaller, than
                the original.

Though the name rec.models.misc has been suggested, rec.models.scale 
maintains an unbiased stance while specifying that the basic subject is to
create representations of existing or fictional objects in a size (possibly)
other than the original.

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Randy J. Ray -- U S WEST IT/CSD         rray@{lookout,uswat}.it.uswc.uswest.com
I'd rather talk religion with Charles Manson than discuss ethics with Congress.
     -me                                                   Phone: (303)595-2852

From rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com Thu Aug 20 10:09:01 1992
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Subject: CFV: rec.models.scale
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This is a call for votes on the newsgroup rec.models.scale, as discussed for
the last three weeks. At the end of this message is the charter, slightly
revised as per the discussion period. 

In order to vote, send a mail message to
mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu (or, if your mailer doesn't understand
domain-style addresses, ...!uunet!pit-manager.mit.edu!mail-server),
with one of the two following lines (without the quotes) in the
Subject or body of the message:

	"vote rec.models.scale yes"
	"vote rec.models.scale no"

If your vote is received by the mail server, and if the return address
in your message is valid, you should receive an acknowledgement within
24 hours.  If you don't receive an acknowledgement, or if you have
some other problem voting, you can send mail to
postmaster@pit-manager.mit.edu to ask for assistance.

Many thanks to Jonathan Kamens for offering his mail-server service for vote
collection.

		  Proposed Charter for rec.models.scale
		  -------------------------------------

PURPOSE
=======
The designated purpose of this group is to discuss the hobby of scale
modeling. Within this realm is included static (display) models, radio-
controlled models built to specific designs, railroad modeling, model
rocketry, and moany other aspects. However, the scope of this group is
restricted to construction techniques and issues, discussion of materials
and kits, discussion of local, national, and international events, and
other topics that pertain to the general hobby of craftsmanship. This
group is not a forum for discussion of controls (radio or remote), for
discussion of performance of RC engines, rocket motors, or any other
subject that, while part of a modeling-related hobby, does not pertain
to craft skills. This group is meant to, among it's primary purposes,
augment the existing rec.models.* groups by providing a forum for the
reader that is more directed towards "How do I do this?" rather than
"Brand X motors only deliver half the promised power." While modeling
is generally associated with plastic kits and IPMS (the International
Plastic Modeler's Society), this group will not be affliated with IPMS,
nor will it be limited to plastic modeling.

GUIDELINES
==========

1) The group will be unmoderated.

2) The group will take a sibling position with respect to the existing
modeling groups, providing a forum that is geared specifically to 
craftsmanship.

3) Any discussion pertaining to craftsmanship, review of materials or
kits, events pertaining to the hobby, events such as air exhibits that
pertain to original subjects modeled, request for information about
any previous subject, is welcomed. Subjects such as comparisons of
motors for functional models, or engines for flying rockets or aircraft,
is discouraged. "Help needed trying to mount Brand X engine in my home-
built model plane" is within this sphere, where "Brand Y remote system
doesn't work 20 feet away" is more suited for rec.models.rc, as a
question about the proposed NMRA (National Model Railroad Association)
Control Standard, which deals not with the construction and painting of
the models, but rather with the controlling of operational models, is
outside the sphere.

4) The forum is not sanctioned by, recognized by, or in anyway associated
with the International Plastic Modelers' Society, the National Model
Railroad Association, the Association of Military Modelers, or any such
hobby organization.

5) The forum is not devoted solely to modeling exact duplicates of hist-
orical items. Science fiction, fantasy, or any other imaginative subjects
are equally welcome. The forum recognizes that people model that which
interests them, be it a prototype F-4 Phantom II, or an entirely fictional
spacecraft. The purpose is to discuss technique, not debate selection.

6) The forum is not restricted to plastic modeling. The finest craftsmen
use those mediums which suit their task. They do not fit the task to a
specific material. Discussion of metal, wood, plastic, fiberglass, or
any other materials is within the sphere of the newsgroup.

NAME
====
The name rec.models.scale was chosen for several reasons:
	1) To fit within the hierarchy already established by rec.models.rc,
		rec.models.rockets, and rec.models.railroad.
	2) Because the name does not imply any bias to a specific topic
		in modeling, or a specific approach.
	3) And because all models are built to represent a specific subject
		in a display medium that can be expressed as a ratio to the
		original (in some cases, this ratio is 1:1). Even when the
		 original is fictional in its own origin, there is still an
		 element of scale in the fact that the model is patterned
		 after the original.

=================================================================

Voting is to begin on August 19, and continue for a period of 30 days, ending
at midnight on September 18. Please mail your votes to the above address, do
not post them. Posted votes will be ignored. Please do not mail them to me, as
I have arranged for them to be handled by a third party to preclude any
appearance of impropriety.

Randy
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Randy J. Ray -- U S WEST IT/CSD         rray@{lookout,uswat}.it.uswc.uswest.com
I'd rather talk religion with Charles Manson than discuss ethics with Congress.
     -me                                                   Phone: (303)595-2852

From rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com Fri Sep 11 11:12:34 1992
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From: rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray)
Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: rec.models.scale
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[This is a re-post. My first attempt, mailed on 9/8/92, did not seem to make
it through]

This is a second call for votes on the creation of the newsgroup
rec.models.scale. This message also contains a mas acknowledgement of votes
taken so far. The original message containing proposal and charter follows the
list of voters. If you have voted prior to midnight, September 7, please try
again.

The voters:
Andrew Henry <A.H.Henry@gdr.bath.ac.uk>
acarr@nike.calpoly.edu (Lyssa)
ah595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric J. Hess)
akerson@srg.af.mil (Pete Akerson - akerson%srg@uunet.uucp)
Anthony.Wong@Eng.Sun.COM (Anthony Wong)
Arne Henrik Juul <arnej@lise.unit.no>
augustho%aludra.usc.edu@usc.edu (August Horvath)
Barney Lum <barney@procyon.usc.edu>
baycan@tecopa.egr.duke.edu (Can Baycan)
Andrew Bell <bell@cs.unc.edu>
bill@ecn.purdue.edu
bill@usl.com
David Bingham <bingham@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com>
bjla@statoil.no
bknutson@ecn.purdue.edu (Brian A Knutson)
bobmcc@tcsi.tcs.com (Bob McCormick)
BPorter@world.std.com
Brian.Wong@Corp.Sun.COM (Brian Wong - SMCC Technical Product Marketing)
bruceb@devnull.mpd.tandem.com (Bruce Burden)
This is a Studebaker Year <burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com>
buzz@rsd.dl.nec.com^I(Buzz McDermott)
cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Chris Anderson <chrisa@hpfcqc.fc.hp.com>
"Mike Cancellier" <cvetp034@CSUPomona.Edu>
Chris Williams <cwilliam@BBN.COM>
Robert Jacobson <cyberoid@u.washington.edu>
d88-hba@nada.kth.se
dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
danm@watson.ibm.com (Dan McCabe)
dans@orl.mmc.com (Dan Sullivan)
SJR D'ARCY <DARCY@metro.bst.rochester.edu>
darohn@giganext.lerc.nasa.gov (Douglas A Rohn)
pilchuck!seahcx!phred!davidb@uunet.UU.NET (David Burd)
"Derrick J. Brashear" <db74+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Deeptendu.Majumder@cad.gatech.edu
denisb@leland.stanford.edu
"David E. Sanders" <des@chem.psu.edu>
dev@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Weeks)
dqwelch@sgidq4.sdrc.com (Mike Welch)
drewsome@mit.edu
Rick Engelhardt <ENGELHARDT@edinboro.edu>
Erich.Selna@Eng.Sun.COM (Erich Selna - zork@trog for you old Sun culture fokes)
"Edward J. Rudnicki" (FSAC-SID) <erudnick@pica.army.mil>
esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
etb@cs.pitt.edu (Elmer Beachley)
"The higher, the fewer  20-Aug-1992 1608" <fisher@gaas.enet.dec.com>
Dean P. Foster <foster@hellspark.uchicago.edu>
gault@dretor.dciem.dnd.ca
Geoff.Arnold@East.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top)
geraldp@std.MENTORG.COM (Gerald Page)
girling@cs.sfu.ca (Doug Girling)
Goran Sedvall <gse@ida.liu.se>
hall@leopard.cs.uidaho.edu (Kelly Hall)
John Harris <harris@sdd.hp.com>
Howard Moskovitz <howard@lear.bos.locus.com>
"John D. Balogh, PSU OTC, 814.863.1252" <JDB@ecl.psu.edu>
Takala Janne <jft@cc.tut.fi>
John G Dobnick <jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>
jimh2@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Jim Hiebert #2)
jimreed@b23b.b23b.ingr.com
johnf@apollo.hp.com
John Mosbarger <johnm@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com>
jota@tutor.inesc.pt (Joao Pedro Martins)
ked01@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kim DeVaughn)
kennii@wybbs.mi.org (Kenn Booth II)
kent@adc.nsc.com (Kent Waterson)
kimes@cbnewsc.att.com
korpela@ssl.Berkeley.Edu (Eric J. Korpela)
Larry Hauch <lah@sequent.com>
lelanda@ampex.com (Dave Leland)
lhp@daimi.aau.dk
lmm@mhcnet.att.com
LOVELLETTE@SSD0.NRL.NAVY.MIL
lynell@cco.caltech.edu (Lynell Jackson)
marc@ultra.com (Marc Kwiatkowski {Host Software-AIX})
Mark Storin <marks@studsys.mscs.mu.edu>
Glenn McGhee <mcghee@sc.hp.com>
mhpower@Athena.MIT.EDU
pseudo!mjn@uunet.UU.NET (Murray Nesbitt)
mmrd@cc.flinders.edu.au (R.Douglas)
(Mark A. Natola) <natola@coos.dartmouth.edu>
obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Ola Rinta-Koski <ola@vipunen.hut.fi>
opp@otsoni.tkk.tele.fi
Paul Kupersmith <pak2@base.bellcore.com>
patnaik@sherlock-hemlock.nrl.navy.mil (Gopal Patnaik)
pdc@lunch.wpd.sgi.com (Paul Close)
pfile%jomby.cs.wisc.edu@cs.wisc.edu (Rob Pfile)
pfoss@cmsa.gmr.com (Pete Foss PO/46)
pgifford@alleg.edu
pha@hri.com (Paul Anderson)
phila@osglab2.esd.sgi.com (Phil Arellano)
prh@essence.demon.co.uk
pshyvers@misdev.mis.pyramid.com (Peter Shyvers)
purtill@ccr-p.ida.org (Mark Purtill)
pvp@convex.cl.msu.edu (Paul V. Pendred)
ratinox@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu
rbs@idaho.amdahl.com (Bob Smith)
Robert E George <regeorge@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
reynolds@fwapp (Brian Reynolds)
rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
ricky@adx.adelphi.edu (Ricky Glass)
Rod.Miller@Eng.Sun.COM (Rod Miller)
roger@prosun.first.gmd.de (Roger Holst)
romix@bsk.utwente.nl (Ronald Leenes)
Randy J Ray <rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com>
schone_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
scott%mycro.UUCP@mathcs.emory.edu (Scott C. Sadow)
Scott Hewis <scott@asgard.csuohio.edu>
shinn@helios.dab.ge.com
Marc Moorcroft <smarry@zooid.guild.org>
Steve Bellovin <smb@ulysses.att.com>
smithr@ast.dsd.northrop.com (Dick Smith)
ST1EC@Jetson.UH.EDU
stu@valinor.mythical.com (Stu Labovitz)
techsy005@spacm1.Spac.Spc.Com
testeng1.Mitel.COM!stanfiel@mitel.uucp
thorn@godot.radonc.unc.edu
Tim Szeliga <tim@snow.nohrsc.nws.gov>
"Todd O'Connor" <todd_oconnor@taligent.com>
tomatt@frosty.lerc.nasa.gov (Matthew Velazquez)
Tom Ward <tomw@spider.co.uk>
"Sam Hill Cabal, DS" <tsdavies@mailbox.syr.edu>
urf@ki.icl.se (Urban)
vrt@Athena.MIT.EDU
wcsbeau@ccs.carleton.ca (OPIRG)
Gary Weimer 726-3370 <weimer@pixel.Kodak.COM>
wigs@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Aaron Wigley)
wildstar@moeng2.morgan.edu (Derek Wildstar)
will@kafka.saic.com (Will Scarvie x6388)
wilson@falcon.AA.CAD.SLB.COM (David Wilson)
wolpert@wimsey.eece.maine.edu (Seth Wolpert)
wrg@Cadence.COM (W. Robert Glover)
Mike Buell <wts!@wts.UUCP.meb>
Scott D. Young <youngs@ccu.UManitoba.CA>
Z_GILISTO@CCSVAX.SFASU.EDU

The original CFV:

This is a call for votes on the newsgroup rec.models.scale, as discussed for
the last three weeks. At the end of this message is the charter, slightly
revised as per the discussion period. 

In order to vote, send a mail message to
mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu (or, if your mailer doesn't understand
domain-style addresses, ...!uunet!pit-manager.mit.edu!mail-server),
with one of the two following lines (without the quotes) in the
Subject or body of the message:

	"vote rec.models.scale yes"
	"vote rec.models.scale no"

If your vote is received by the mail server, and if the return address
in your message is valid, you should receive an acknowledgement within
24 hours.  If you don't receive an acknowledgement, or if you have
some other problem voting, you can send mail to
postmaster@pit-manager.mit.edu to ask for assistance.

Many thanks to Jonathan Kamens for offering his mail-server service for vote
collection.

		  Proposed Charter for rec.models.scale
		  -------------------------------------

PURPOSE
=======
The designated purpose of this group is to discuss the hobby of scale
modeling. Within this realm is included static (display) models, radio-
controlled models built to specific designs, railroad modeling, model
rocketry, and moany other aspects. However, the scope of this group is
restricted to construction techniques and issues, discussion of materials
and kits, discussion of local, national, and international events, and
other topics that pertain to the general hobby of craftsmanship. This
group is not a forum for discussion of controls (radio or remote), for
discussion of performance of RC engines, rocket motors, or any other
subject that, while part of a modeling-related hobby, does not pertain
to craft skills. This group is meant to, among it's primary purposes,
augment the existing rec.models.* groups by providing a forum for the
reader that is more directed towards "How do I do this?" rather than
"Brand X motors only deliver half the promised power." While modeling
is generally associated with plastic kits and IPMS (the International
Plastic Modeler's Society), this group will not be affliated with IPMS,
nor will it be limited to plastic modeling.

GUIDELINES
==========

1) The group will be unmoderated.

2) The group will take a sibling position with respect to the existing
modeling groups, providing a forum that is geared specifically to 
craftsmanship.

3) Any discussion pertaining to craftsmanship, review of materials or
kits, events pertaining to the hobby, events such as air exhibits that
pertain to original subjects modeled, request for information about
any previous subject, is welcomed. Subjects such as comparisons of
motors for functional models, or engines for flying rockets or aircraft,
is discouraged. "Help needed trying to mount Brand X engine in my home-
built model plane" is within this sphere, where "Brand Y remote system
doesn't work 20 feet away" is more suited for rec.models.rc, as a
question about the proposed NMRA (National Model Railroad Association)
Control Standard, which deals not with the construction and painting of
the models, but rather with the controlling of operational models, is
outside the sphere.

4) The forum is not sanctioned by, recognized by, or in anyway associated
with the International Plastic Modelers' Society, the National Model
Railroad Association, the Association of Military Modelers, or any such
hobby organization.

5) The forum is not devoted solely to modeling exact duplicates of hist-
orical items. Science fiction, fantasy, or any other imaginative subjects
are equally welcome. The forum recognizes that people model that which
interests them, be it a prototype F-4 Phantom II, or an entirely fictional
spacecraft. The purpose is to discuss technique, not debate selection.

6) The forum is not restricted to plastic modeling. The finest craftsmen
use those mediums which suit their task. They do not fit the task to a
specific material. Discussion of metal, wood, plastic, fiberglass, or
any other materials is within the sphere of the newsgroup.

NAME
====
The name rec.models.scale was chosen for several reasons:
	1) To fit within the hierarchy already established by rec.models.rc,
		rec.models.rockets, and rec.models.railroad.
	2) Because the name does not imply any bias to a specific topic
		in modeling, or a specific approach.
	3) And because all models are built to represent a specific subject
		in a display medium that can be expressed as a ratio to the
		original (in some cases, this ratio is 1:1). Even when the
		original is fictional in its own origin, there is still an
		element of scale in the fact that the model is patterned
		after the original.

=================================================================

Voting is to begin on August 19, and continue for a period of 30 days, ending
at midnight on September 18.

Randy
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Randy J. Ray -- U S WEST IT/CSD                 rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com
I'd rather talk religion with Charles Manson than discuss ethics with Congress.
     -me                                                   Phone: (303)595-2852

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From: Randy J Ray <rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com>
Subject: RESULT: rec.models.scale passes 152:26
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The newsgroup rec.models.scale has passed by a vote of 152 to 26, according to
the guidelines to group creation. As is documented, there will be a 5 day
waiting period following the posting of this message, to give people an
opportunity to correct any errors in the list of votes. At the end of this
time, if there is no serious discrepancy, a newgroup message will be sent out
by the moderator of news.announce.newgroups to create this group. My thanks to
all who voted, and many thanks to Jonathan Kamens, who provided a vote-
collection mechanism. Below are the list of voters and how they voted. Below
it is the charter of the group, having been approved as read.

Randy
===============================================================================
"yes" votes (152):

Andrew Henry <A.H.Henry@gdr.bath.ac.uk>
abennett@mit.edu (Andrew Bennett)
acarr@nike.calpoly.edu (Lyssa)
adp@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Allan Plumb [BARR])
ah595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric J. Hess)
albright@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric Albright)
Anthony.Wong@Eng.Sun.COM (Anthony Wong)
augustho%aludra.usc.edu@usc.edu (August Horvath)
Barney Lum <barney@procyon.usc.edu>
baycan@tecopa.egr.duke.edu (Can Baycan)
Andrew Bell <bell@cs.unc.edu>
bill@ecn.purdue.edu
bill@usl.com
David Bingham <bingham@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com>
bjla@statoil.no
"Brian Panulla, MooCow" <BJP108@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
bknutson@ecn.purdue.edu (Brian A Knutson)
bobmcc@tcsi.tcs.com (Bob McCormick)
bruceb@devnull.mpd.tandem.com (Bruce Burden)
This is a Studebaker Year <burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com>
buzz@rsd.dl.nec.com^I(Buzz McDermott)
cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
ChazL@county.lmt.mn.org
Chris Anderson <chrisa@hpfcqc.fc.hp.com>
clear@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz (Charlie Lear)
coirier@marmite.lerc.nasa.gov (Bill Coirier)
cpfrank@spdc.ti.com (Chris Frank)
"Mike Cancellier" <cvetp034@CSUPomona.Edu>
Chris Williams <cwilliam@BBN.COM>
Robert Jacobson <cyberoid@u.washington.edu>
dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
danm@watson.ibm.com (Dan McCabe)
dans@orl.mmc.com (Dan Sullivan)
SJR D'ARCY <DARCY@metro.bst.rochester.edu>
darohn@giganext.lerc.nasa.gov (Douglas A Rohn)
pilchuck!seahcx!phred!davidb@uunet.UU.NET (David Burd)
"Derrick J. Brashear" <db74+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Deeptendu.Majumder@cad.gatech.edu
denisb@leland.stanford.edu
"David E. Sanders" <des@chem.psu.edu>
dev@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Weeks)
"DAVE BRUMLEVE, UCCPE/IT COMPUTING CONSULTANT" <DGBRUM01@ulkyvx03.louisville.edu>
Don_Schmitz@transarc.com
dqwelch@sgidq4.sdrc.com (Mike Welch)
drewsome@mit.edu
Don Weeke <dweeke@hydra.unm.edu>
Rick Engelhardt <ENGELHARDT@edinboro.edu>
Erich.Selna@Eng.Sun.COM (Erich Selna - zork@trog for you old Sun culture fokes)
"Edward J. Rudnicki" (FSAC-SID) <erudnick@pica.army.mil>
esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
etb@cs.pitt.edu (Elmer Beachley)
fester@etorofu.island.COM (Mike Fester)
Dean P. Foster <foster@hellspark.uchicago.edu>
gault@dretor.dciem.dnd.ca
Geoff.Arnold@East.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top)
geraldp@std.MENTORG.COM (Gerald Page)
girling@cs.sfu.ca (Doug Girling)
Goran Sedvall <gse@ida.liu.se>
Hans Jense <Hans.Jense@fel.tno.nl>
harry@ingres.com (Harry Wong)
Howard Moskovitz <howard@lear.bos.locus.com>
jac54@cas.org (Alec Chambers)
"John D. Balogh, PSU OTC, 814.863.1252" <JDB@ecl.psu.edu>
Takala Janne <jft@cc.tut.fi>
John G Dobnick <jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>
jimh2@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Jim Hiebert #2)
jimreed@b23b.b23b.ingr.com
johnf@apollo.hp.com
John Mosbarger <johnm@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com>
jota@tutor.inesc.pt (Joao Pedro Martins)
ked01@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kim DeVaughn)
kennii@wybbs.mi.org (Kenn Booth II)
kent@adc.nsc.com (Kent Waterson)
kimes@cbnewsc.att.com
korpela@ssl.Berkeley.Edu (Eric J. Korpela)
Larry Hauch <lah@sequent.com>
lhp@daimi.aau.dk
lmm@mhcnet.att.com
LOVELLETTE@SSD0.NRL.NAVY.MIL
lynell@cco.caltech.edu (Lynell Jackson)
marc@ultra.com (Marc Kwiatkowski {Host Software-AIX})
Mark Storin <marks@studsys.mscs.mu.edu>
Mayer Schwartz <mayers@poseidon.labs.tek.com>
Mike Long <MLONG@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
mmrd@cc.flinders.edu.au (R.Douglas)
mox@vpnet.chi.il.us (William Moxley)
(Mark A. Natola) <natola@coos.dartmouth.edu>
Iskandar Taib <ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Ola Rinta-Koski <ola@vipunen.hut.fi>
opp@otsoni.tkk.tele.fi
Paul Kupersmith <pak2@base.bellcore.com>
pdc@lunch.wpd.sgi.com (Paul Close)
pfile%jomby.cs.wisc.edu@cs.wisc.edu (Rob Pfile)
pfoss@cmsa.gmr.com (Pete Foss PO/46)
pgifford@alleg.edu
pha@hri.com (Paul Anderson)
phila@osglab2.esd.sgi.com (Phil Arellano)
potter@watson.ibm.com (David Potter)
prh@essence.demon.co.uk
pshyvers@misdev.mis.pyramid.com (Peter Shyvers)
purtill@ccr-p.ida.org (Mark Purtill)
pvp@convex.cl.msu.edu (Paul V. Pendred)
Rinus Valk - NSSS <r.valk@trl.oz.au>
ratinox@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu
rbs@idaho.amdahl.com (Bob Smith)
Robert E George <regeorge@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
reynolds@fwapp (Brian Reynolds)
ricky@adx.adelphi.edu (Ricky Glass)
robert@shangri-la.gatech.edu (Robert Viduya)
Rod.Miller@Eng.Sun.COM (Rod Miller)
roger@prosun.first.gmd.de (Roger Holst)
romix@bsk.utwente.nl (Ronald Leenes)
Ronny Andre Nilsen <ronny@ifi.uio.no>
Randy J Ray <rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com>
schone_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Scott Hewis <scott@asgard.csuohio.edu>
"Shamim Zvonko Mohamed" <sham@cs.arizona.edu>
shinn@helios.dab.ge.com
Steve Bellovin <smb@ulysses.att.com>
ST1EC@Jetson.UH.EDU
Steven Leitner <stevenl@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com>
stu@valinor.mythical.com (Stu Labovitz)
swf@elsegundoca.ncr.com (Stan Friesen)
techsy005@spacm1.Spac.Spc.Com
testeng1.Mitel.COM!stanfiel@mitel.uucp
thorn@godot.radonc.unc.edu
tmo@cs.hut.fi
tmorgan@as.arizona.edu (Tad Morgan)
"Todd O'Connor" <todd_oconnor@taligent.com>
tomatt@frosty.lerc.nasa.gov (Matthew Velazquez)
Tom Ward <tomw@spider.co.uk>
Torsten Leibold <torsten@rnivh.rni.sub.org>
tran@f18sunc.nwc.navy.mil (Tri Tran)
"Sam Hill Cabal, DS" <tsdavies@mailbox.syr.edu>
uncal@tallgrass.com (Al Amet )
urf@ki.icl.se (Urban)
valerie@sdacs.UCSD.EDU (Valerie E Polichar)
vrt@Athena.MIT.EDU
wbt@cbemf.att.com
wcsbeau@ccs.carleton.ca (OPIRG)
Gary Weimer 726-3370 <weimer@pixel.Kodak.COM>
wigs@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Aaron Wigley)
wildstar@moeng2.morgan.edu (Derek Wildstar)
will@kafka.saic.com (Will Scarvie x6388)
wilson@falcon.AA.CAD.SLB.COM (David Wilson)
wolpert@wimsey.eece.maine.edu (Seth Wolpert)
wrg@Cadence.COM (W. Robert Glover)
Mike Buell <wts!@wts.UUCP.meb>
Scott D. Young <youngs@ccu.UManitoba.CA>
Matti Yrjola <yrjola@hkkk.fi>
Z_GILISTO@CCSVAX.SFASU.EDU

"no" votes (26):

akerson@srg.af.mil (Pete Akerson - akerson%srg@uunet.uucp)
Arne Henrik Juul <arnej@lise.unit.no>
BPorter@world.std.com
Brian.Wong@Corp.Sun.COM (Brian Wong - SMCC Technical Product Marketing)
d88-hba@nada.kth.se
Eddie Oliver <eoliver@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au>
"The higher, the fewer  20-Aug-1992 1608" <fisher@gaas.enet.dec.com>
hall@leopard.cs.uidaho.edu (Kelly Hall)
John Harris <harris@sdd.hp.com>
Joe Russ <Joe.Russ@mixcom.mixcom.com>
kelley@kiwi.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Kelley Wittmeyer)
lelanda@ampex.com (Dave Leland)
mark@hsi.com (Mark Sicignano)
Glenn McGhee <mcghee@sc.hp.com>
mhpower@Athena.MIT.EDU
pseudo!mjn@uunet.UU.NET (Murray Nesbitt)
patnaik@sherlock-hemlock.nrl.navy.mil (Gopal Patnaik)
plutchak@porter.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
curtech!rhl@unh.edu (Dick Lord)
rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
rmccoy@ocdis01.oc.aflc.af.mil (MSgt Robert F McCoy;552 ACS/CCS;)
scott%mycro.UUCP@mathcs.emory.edu (Scott C. Sadow)
Marc Moorcroft <smarry@zooid.guild.org>
smithr@ast.dsd.northrop.com (Dick Smith)
Tim Szeliga <tim@snow.nohrsc.nws.gov>
Phil Weiss <weiss872@clearwater.cs.uidaho.edu>

===============================================================================
                      Charter for rec.models.scale
                  -------------------------------------

PURPOSE
=======
The designated purpose of this group is to discuss the hobby of scale
modeling. Within this realm is included static (display) models, radio-
controlled models built to specific designs, railroad modeling, model
rocketry, and moany other aspects. However, the scope of this group is
restricted to construction techniques and issues, discussion of materials
and kits, discussion of local, national, and international events, and
other topics that pertain to the general hobby of craftsmanship. This
group is not a forum for discussion of controls (radio or remote), for
discussion of performance of RC engines, rocket motors, or any other
subject that, while part of a modeling-related hobby, does not pertain
to craft skills. This group is meant to, among it's primary purposes,
augment the existing rec.models.* groups by providing a forum for the
reader that is more directed towards "How do I do this?" rather than
"Brand X motors only deliver half the promised power." While modeling
is generally associated with plastic kits and IPMS (the International
Plastic Modeler's Society), this group will not be affliated with IPMS,
nor will it be limited to plastic modeling.

GUIDELINES
==========

1) The group will be unmoderated.

2) The group will take a sibling position with respect to the existing
modeling groups, providing a forum that is geared specifically to 
craftsmanship.

3) Any discussion pertaining to craftsmanship, review of materials or
kits, events pertaining to the hobby, events such as air exhibits that
pertain to original subjects modeled, request for information about
any previous subject, is welcomed. Subjects such as comparisons of
motors for functional models, or engines for flying rockets or aircraft,
is discouraged. "Help needed trying to mount Brand X engine in my home-
built model plane" is within this sphere, where "Brand Y remote system
doesn't work 20 feet away" is more suited for rec.models.rc, as a
question about the proposed NMRA (National Model Railroad Association)
Control Standard, which deals not with the construction and painting of
the models, but rather with the controlling of operational models, is
outside the sphere.

4) The forum is not sanctioned by, recognized by, or in anyway associated
with the International Plastic Modelers' Society, the National Model
Railroad Association, the Association of Military Modelers, or any such
hobby organization.

5) The forum is not devoted solely to modeling exact duplicates of hist-
orical items. Science fiction, fantasy, or any other imaginative subjects
are equally welcome. The forum recognizes that people model that which
interests them, be it a prototype F-4 Phantom II, or an entirely fictional
spacecraft. The purpose is to discuss technique, not debate selection.

6) The forum is not restricted to plastic modeling. The finest craftsmen
use those mediums which suit their task. They do not fit the task to a
specific material. Discussion of metal, wood, plastic, fiberglass, or
any other materials is within the sphere of the newsgroup.

NAME
====
The name rec.models.scale was chosen for several reasons:
        1) To fit within the hierarchy already established by rec.models.rc,
                rec.models.rockets, and rec.models.railroad.
        2) Because the name does not imply any bias to a specific topic
                in modeling, or a specific approach.
        3) And because all models are built to represent a specific subject
                in a display medium that can be expressed as a ratio to the
                original. Even when the original is fictional in its own
                origin, there is still an element of scale in the fact that
                the model is patterned after the original.

Though the name rec.models.misc has been suggested, rec.models.scale 
maintains an unbiased stance while specifying that the basic subject is to
create representations of existing or fictional objects, possibly in a size
other than the original.
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Randy J. Ray -- U S WEST IT/CSD                 rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com
I'd rather talk religion with Charles Manson than discuss ethics with Congress.
     -me                                                   Phone: (303)595-2852

 
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