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From [email protected] Wed Mar 10 20:57:31 1993
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From: [email protected] (Mark Lakata)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.music.marketplace
Subject: RFD: rec.music.marketplace reorganization
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION FOR SPLITTING REC.MUSIC.MARKETPLACE

INTRODUCTION:

rec.music.marketplace is an active group with roughly 40 posts a day
dealing with the buying and selling of anything related to music.  This
classification is quite wide, and the bulk of the items for trade can
be easily classified into two groups.  The first group is recordings of music,
while the second group is equipment for the creation of music.
The volume of posts of either type is consistently moderate and comparable
to each other.


SUGGESTION:

The suggestion is to create two new groups,

REC.MUSIC.MARKETPLACE.EQUIPMENT

  This group will be for buying and selling used musical equipment, such
  as synthesizers, guitars, band instruments, audio effects processors,
  recording equipment, DJ equipment, etc.  All subject headings should be
  prefaced by either FOR SALE: or WANTED:


REC.MUSIC.MARKETPLACE.RECORDINGS

  This group will be for buying and selling used musical recordings, such
  as compact discs, vinyl records, cassette tapes, rare recordings, music
  videos, etc.  All subject headings should be prefaced by either FOR SALE:
  or WANTED:

REC.MUSIC.MARKETPLACE would then be eliminated.


All these newsgroups will be UNMODERATED.


RATIONALE:

An informal vote, culled from the responses to the suggestion of splitting,
was 7 posts for, 0 against.

The people responding said that they were either looking for equipment
but not compact discs, or they were looking for compact discs but not
equipment.  The two types of items for trade are very different and
there should be no ambiguity whether an item is a recording or piece of
equipment.

A rough overview of the last 3 days of posting break down as follows:

  10 Synths for Sale or Wanted
  10 Recording Equipment or Effects Processors for Sale or Wanted
   5 Other Music equipment
   
  17 Recordings Wanted
  25 Recordings for Sale

  21 Unnecessary Postings and Flames



  Sincerely submitted,
  Mark Lakata

NOTE: All subsequent discussion on this proposal should take place 
      in NEWS.GROUPS or at least cross-posted to it.

From [email protected] Fri Nov 25 17:46:22 1994
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From: [email protected] (T. P. Uschanov)
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Subject: RFD: rec.collecting.records
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
============================

        Newsgroup Name: rec.collecting.records
                Status: unmoderated
          Distribution: world 
               Summary: Discussion and debate on issues of interest to
			record collectors and those interested in buying,
			selling and trading phonograph records.
          Submitted by: T. P. Uschanov <[email protected]>
                                       <[email protected]>
 
 
This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the 
unmoderated newsgroup rec.collecting.records.
 
Follow up to news.groups please.
 
CHARTER
=======

rec.collecting.records is intended to be an unmoderated newsgroup for buying,
selling, trading, and exchange of information, ideas and opinions regarding
records and collecting them, mainly vinyl albums and singles, but not
excluding 78 rpm records or compact discs of older or rare material.  Topics
of discussion will include but are not limited to:

* Buying			* Restoration, storage and preservation
* Selling			* Research
* Trading			* Reviews of books on and re-issues of vintage
* Queries about the values,       music
  provenance and authenticity   * Queries about the recommendability of
  of unfamiliar records           records and dealers
 
The discussions will be in English.

 
RATIONALE
=========
 
After the period of the alleged 'demise' of vinyl records caused by the
introduction of the compact disc, there is now an increasing interest in
analog sound carriers from the past and the present, and the interest has
never been low, as the popularity of specialist magazines such as
_Goldmine_ and _DISCoveries_ shows.  There are currently several newsgroups
in which discussion of records takes place, but none of them is quite
what is needed.  alt.rock-n-roll.classic and alt.rock-n-roll.oldies are for
all kinds of discussion on 'classic' rock and music of the 1950s and 1960s,
respectively.  rec.antiques.radio+phono is mainly for technical questions
of radios and phonographs, and the records sometimes discussed there are
invariably 78 rpm.  rec.collecting is a forum for collectors, but it is
too large and varied to justify the idea of doing the record collecting
discussion there.  The most controversial related group is
rec.music.marketplace.  This RFD is the direct result of recent
discussion there concerning the lack of a vinyl newsgroup; it was
felt that there were many people reading r.m.m who had no interest in
buying or selling compact discs (much of them of contemporary material)
and/or musical instruments (for which there also is the little-known
newsgroup rec.music.makers.marketplace).  Furthermore, r.m.m is pretty
much restricted for buying and selling only, and is therefore inappropriate
for questions and discussion.  When I recently proposed newsgroup
alt.collecting.records and announced my proposal on several of the groups
mentioned above, I got more than 100 follow-up postings and personal
replies, many of them radiating enthusiasm, and challenging my fears that
a rec.* group would not pass (the reason I proposed an alt.* group first).


This RFD will be posted on the following newsgroups:
 
        news.groups
        news.announce.newgroups
        alt.rock-n-roll.classic
        alt.rock-n-roll.oldies
	rec.antiques.radio+phono
	rec.collecting
	rec.music.marketplace
        rec.music.misc


The discussion will be held in news.groups. The discussion will start
November 25, 1994, and will last for three weeks, until December 16, 1994.
If there is enough interest in the newsgroup, a Call for Votes (CFV) will 
be posted shortly after the end of the discussion period. The voting will 
be conducted by an neutral third party.

To get more information on newsgroup creation, please refer to the article 
"How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" usually found on 
news.announce.newsgroups.

T. P. Uschanov
[email protected]
[email protected]
-- 
t. p. uschanov               internet: [email protected]
world dadaist congress                 [email protected]
joensuu * finland * europe     bitnet: [email protected]

From [email protected] Sun Feb 12 22:49:12 1995
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
============================

        Newsgroup Name: rec.collecting.recordings
                Status: unmoderated
          Distribution: world
               Summary: Discussion and debate on issues of interest to
                        record collectors and those interested in buying,
                        selling and trading phonograph records.
          Submitted by: T. P. Uschanov <[email protected]>
                                       <[email protected]>


This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
unmoderated newsgroup rec.collecting.recordings.

Follow up to news.groups please.

CHARTER
=======

rec.collecting.recordings is intended to be an unmoderated newsgroup for
buying, selling, trading, and exchange of information, ideas and opinions
regarding sound recordings and collecting them, mainly vinyl albums and
singles, but not excluding 78 rpm records, tapes (also of recordings never
released on disc, or commercially at all) or compact discs of older
or rare material.  Topics of discussion will include but are not limited to:

* Buying                           * Restoration, storage and preservation
* Selling                          * Research
* Trading discs and tapes of them  * Reviews of books on and re-issues of
* Queries about the values,          vintage music
  provenance and authenticity      * Queries about the recommendability of
  of unfamiliar recordings           recordings and dealers of them

The discussions will be in English.


RATIONALE
=========

After the period of the alleged 'demise' of vinyl records caused by the
introduction of the compact disc, there is now an increasing interest in
analog sound carriers from the past and the present, and the interest has
never been low, as the popularity of specialist magazines such as
_Goldmine_ and _DISCoveries_ shows.  There are currently several newsgroups
in which discussion of records takes place, but none of them is quite
what is needed.  alt.rock-n-roll.classic and alt.rock-n-roll.oldies are for
all kinds of discussion on 'classic' rock and music of the 1950s and 1960s,
respectively.  rec.antiques.radio+phono is mainly for technical questions
of radios and phonographs, and the records sometimes discussed there are
invariably 78 rpm.  rec.collecting is a forum for collectors, but it is
too large and varied to justify the idea of doing the record collecting
discussion there.  Then there is rec.music.marketplace.  Various initiatives
for a group for vinyl records have been made there in recent months by
readers not interested in the majority of the postings there concerning
compact discs of contemporary pop music and musical instruments, and in late
1994 I submitted a RFD for a group named rec.collecting.records.  Owing to
communication breakdowns and also partly the holiday season, a Call for Votes
(CFV) never appeared, despite considerable support for the group.  A while ago
I communicated with Big 7 administrators who suggested a new RFD with a
slightly modified name and charter -- this including recorded sound in its all
forms.  The majority of postings is however expected to come from collectors
of vinyl records of popular and classical music.  A proposal that compacts
discs be excluded got some support from commentators on the RFD for
rec.collecting.records, but I feel that it would be increasingly artificial in
these days when CDs gain more and more ground in collecting older music,
judging by, for example, their coverage in record collecting magazines.
Following another suggestion by some older collectors and restricting the group
to 78 rpm records would restrict the group's appeal and traffic even more --
and rec.antiques.radio+phono and the 78-L mailing list are already available
for those who concentrate on them.


This RFD will be posted on the following newsgroups:

        news.groups
        news.announce.newgroups
        alt.rock-n-roll.oldies
        rec.antiques.radio+phono
        rec.collecting
	rec.music.classical.recordings
        rec.music.marketplace
        rec.music.misc


The discussion will be held in news.groups. The discussion will start
February 10, 1995, and will last for three weeks, until March 3, 1995.
If there is enough interest in the newsgroup, a Call for Votes (CFV) will
be posted shortly after the end of the discussion period. The voting will
be conducted by an neutral third party.

To get more information on newsgroup creation, please refer to the article
"How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" usually found on
news.announce.newsgroups.

T. P. Uschanov
[email protected]
[email protected]

From T  Wed May 31 02:03:00 PDT 1995
From: T P Uschanov <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.music.misc,rec.music.market
place,rec.music.cd,rec.collecting,rec.antiques.radio+phono,alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: RFD: rec.music.collecting.* and rec.music.marketplace reorganization
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Date: 30 May 1995 16:28:07 -0400
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43955 rec.antiques.radio+phono:7746 alt.rock-n-roll:81425

                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
             unmoderated group rec.music.collecting.vinyl
  unmoderated group rec.music.collecting.cd (replaces rec.music.cd)
             unmoderated group rec.music.collecting.misc
            unmoderated group rec.music.marketplace.vinyl
              unmoderated group rec.music.marketplace.cd
unmoderated group rec.music.marketplace.misc (replaces rec.music.marketplace)

Proponents:     T P Uschanov <[email protected]>
                Lazlo Nibble <[email protected]>
                Tapio Keihanen <[email protected]>

* THIS IS NOT A CALL FOR VOTES *
* PLEASE READ THIS ENTIRE MESSAGE BEFORE RESPONDING *

PROPOSAL
--------
The creation of a subhierarchy for discussion of record collecting as a
hobby (rec.music.collecting.*) and the division of rec.music.marketplace
into format-specific groups.  These two proposals are closely related in
theme, form, and intended audience, so they are being proposed together,
to wit:

    CREATE rec.music.collecting.vinyl
    RENAME rec.music.cd to rec.music.collecting.cd
    CREATE rec.music.collecting.misc

    CREATE rec.music.marketplace.vinyl
    CREATE rec.music.marketplace.cd
    RENAME rec.music.marketplace to rec.music.marketplace.misc

This proposal will undergo discussion in news.groups for 21 days after the
first posting of this announcement, to be followed by a Call For Votes (CFV)
on the proposal.  *All* discussion of this proposal must take place in
news.groups; to follow and participate in the discussion you must read that
group.

This RFD is initially being posted to the following newsgroups:

    news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, rec.music.misc,
    rec.music.marketplace, rec.music.cd, rec.collecting,
    rec.antiques.radio+phono, alt.rock-n-roll

RATIONALE
---------
There is significant demand for a place on the net where collectors of
vinyl LPs, singles, and other releases can discuss the format without
being "drowned out" by unrelated postings.  rec.music.collecting.vinyl
will fill that niche, and rec.music.collecting.cd is, we feel, an
appropriate counterpart.  (More about r.m.c.cd below.)  There has also
been significant support for discussion of pre-LP collecting (78s, wax
cylinders, etc.); a .misc group is therefore proposed to hold that and
other non-CD/vinyl discussion.  It should also be kept in mind that
despite its technical nature, rec.antiques.radio+phono would welcome
posts about pre-LP records.

rec.music.marketplace is long overdue for a split; many people interested
in buying music over the net prefer one of the two primary formats (vinyl
and CDs) over the other.  There have been many complaints from collectors
of one format about having to "wade through" postings selling the other.
We believe that the natural dividing line for a split is .cd/.vinyl/.misc,
as proposed.

rec.music.cd is at the heart of both aspects of the proposal; the group
was created in the early days of the format, when compact discs were
something special rather than the default format that they have become
today.  The newsgroup is devolving into a catch-all for general music
discussion, and in our opinion less than half of the group's current
traffic belongs there.  People tend to post general comments about the
latest releases there, simply because they happen to be available on CD. A
recent check of the news spool at rt66.com revealed that the 275 messages
available on the machine at the time broke down roughly as follows:

   40%  CD-specific discussion (CD clubs, availability/quality questions,
        etc.)
   30%  Wanted/Forsale postings (officially off-topic since the creation
        of rec.music.marketplace)
   30%  Off-topic messages ("who sings this," "tell me more bands like <x>",
        general discussion of artists/music, etc. appropriate for
        rec.music.misc and other more specific rec.music.* and alt.music.*
        groups)

In our opinion the creation of CD-specific groups for collecting and
marketplace topics will help bring the noise level down.  CD-specific
discussion would go to rec.music.collecting.cd, wanted/forsale postings
would go to rec.music.marketplace.cd, and off-topic messages would
be (we hope) discouraged by the two groups' more specific names.

CHARTERS
--------
    rec.music.collecting.cd
        Discussion of issues relevant to collectors of audio compact discs.
        Postings belong here only if they have some direct bearing on the
        CD format -- the mere availability on CD of a given release is *not*
        sufficient reason to discuss it here, unless the item is only
        available on CD, a CD reissue, has CD-only features, etc.  The
        group is also not for discussion of musical quality, how much you
        like an album, and so forth, as none of these questions are specific
        to the CD format.  Wanted and for-sale postings are off-charter here
        and should be directed to the most appropriate rec.music.marketplace
        group.

    rec.music.collecting.vinyl
        Discussion of issues relevant to collectors of vinyl LPs, singles,
        and related recording formats.  Wanted and for-sale postings are
        off-charter here and should be directed to the most appropriate
        rec.music.marketplace group.

    rec.music.collecting.misc
        Discussion of music-collecting issues for which there is no more
        specific rec.music.collecting newsgroup.  Wanted and for-sale
        postings are off-charter here and should be directed to the most
        appropriate rec.music.marketplace group.

    rec.music.marketplace.vinyl
        Postings offering and seeking sound recordings on vinyl (LPs, 7"/12"
        singles, and so forth).  Such postings belong in this group *only*,
        both so that people interested in the material can find it and so
        those who wish to avoid such postings can do so easily.  Posters
        are encouraged to be as specific as possible in their subject lines.

    rec.music.marketplace.cd
        Postings offering and seeking sound recordings on compact disc.
        Such postings belong in this group *only*, both so that people
        interested in the material can find it and so those who wish to
        avoid such postings can do so easily.  Posters are encouraged to
        be as specific as possible in their subject lines.

    rec.music.marketplace to rec.music.marketplace.misc
        Postings offering music-related merchandise (recordings, memorabilia)
        for which no more specific .marketplace group exists.  Note that
        rec.music.MAKERS.marketplace and its subgroups exist for the sale
        of instruments and gear; those postings are off-topic here.

Comments about this proposal should be posted to news.groups and/or mailed
to the proponents.
From [email protected] Mon Jul 24 18:09:01 1995
Path: uunet!in1.uu.net!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Steve Bonine)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.music.misc,rec.music.marketplace,rec.music.cd,rec.collecting,rec.antiques.radio+phono,alt.music.alternative,alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: CFV: rec.music.{collecting,marketplace} reorganization
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                      FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
  unmoderated group rec.music.collecting.cd (replaces rec.music.cd)
             unmoderated group rec.music.collecting.misc
             unmoderated group rec.music.collecting.vinyl
              unmoderated group rec.music.marketplace.cd
unmoderated group rec.music.marketplace.misc (replaces rec.music.marketplace)
            unmoderated group rec.music.marketplace.vinyl

Newsgroups lines:
rec.music.collecting.cd	Compact discs of collector value.
rec.music.collecting.misc	Music collecting other than vinyl or CD.
rec.music.collecting.vinyl	Collecting vinyl records.
rec.music.marketplace.cd	Buying and selling collectible compact discs.
rec.music.marketplace.misc	Buying and selling non-vinyl/CD music.
rec.music.marketplace.vinyl	Buying and selling collectible vinyl records.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 10 Aug 1995.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions
only contact Steve Bonine <[email protected]>.  For questions about the proposed
group contact T P Uschanov <[email protected]> or
Lazlo Nibble <[email protected]>.

RATIONALE

There is significant demand for a place on the net where collectors of
vinyl LPs, singles, and other releases can discuss the format without
being "drowned out" by unrelated postings.  rec.music.collecting.vinyl
will fill that niche, and rec.music.collecting.cd is, we feel, an
appropriate counterpart.  (More about r.m.c.cd below.)  There has also
been significant support for discussion of pre-LP collecting (78s, wax
cylinders, etc.); a .misc group is therefore proposed to hold that and
other non-CD/vinyl discussion.

rec.music.marketplace is long overdue for a split; many people interested
in buying music over the net prefer one of the two primary formats (vinyl
and CDs) over the other.  There have been many complaints from collectors
of one format about having to "wade through" postings selling the other.
We believe that the natural dividing line for a split is .cd/.vinyl/.misc,
as proposed.

rec.music.cd is at the heart of both aspects of the proposal; the group
was created in the early days of the format, when compact discs were
something special rather than the default format that they have become
today.  The newsgroup is devolving into a catch-all for general music
discussion, and in our opinion less than half of the group's current
traffic belongs there.  People tend to post general comments about the
latest releases there, simply because they happen to be available on CD. A
recent check of the news spool at rt66.com revealed that the 275 messages
available on the machine at the time broke down roughly as follows:

   40%  CD-specific discussion (CD clubs, availability/quality questions,
	etc.)
   30%  Wanted/Forsale postings (officially off-topic since the creation
	of rec.music.marketplace)
   30%  Off-topic messages ("who sings this," "tell me more bands like <x>",
	general discussion of artists/music belonging to rec.music.misc
	and/or specific rec.music.* and alt.music.* groups, etc.)

In our opinion the creation of CD-specific groups for collecting and
marketplace topics will help bring the noise level down.  CD-specific
discussion would go to rec.music.collecting.cd, wanted/forsale postings
would go to rec.music.marketplace.cd, and off-topic messages would
be (we hope) discouraged by the two groups' more specific names.

CHARTERS

    rec.music.collecting.cd
	Discussion of issues relevant to collectors of audio compact discs.
	Postings belong here only if they have some direct bearing on the
	CD format -- the mere availability on CD of a given release is *not*
	sufficient reason to discuss it here, unless the item is only
	available on CD, a CD reissue, has CD-only features, etc.  The
	group is also not for discussion of musical quality, how much you
	like an album, and so forth, as none of these questions are specific
	to the CD format.  Wanted and for-sale postings are off-charter here
	and should be directed to the most appropriate rec.music.marketplace
	group.

    rec.music.collecting.vinyl
	Discussion of issues relevant to collectors of vinyl LPs, singles,
	and related recording formats.  Wanted and for-sale postings are
	off-charter here and should be directed to the most appropriate
	rec.music.marketplace group.

    rec.music.collecting.misc
	Discussion of music-collecting issues for which there is no more
	specific rec.music.collecting newsgroup.  Wanted and for-sale
	postings are off-charter here and should be directed to the most
	appropriate rec.music.marketplace group.

    rec.music.marketplace.vinyl
	Postings offering and seeking sound recordings on vinyl (LPs, 7"/12"
	singles, and so forth).  Such postings belong in this group *only*,
	both so that people interested in the material can find it and so
	those who wish to avoid such postings can do so easily.  Posters
	are encouraged to be as specific as possible in their subject lines,
	including a description of the genre and/or artists involved.
	Messages offering the same items from the same seller should not be
	posted more often than once a week.

    rec.music.marketplace.cd
	Postings offering and seeking sound recordings on compact disc.
	Such postings belong in this group *only*, both so that people
	interested in the material can find it and so those who wish to
	avoid such postings can do so easily.  Posters are encouraged to
	be as specific as possible in their subject lines, including a
	description of the genre and/or artists involved.  Messages offering
	the same items from the same seller should not be posted more often
	than once a week.

    rec.music.marketplace to rec.music.marketplace.misc
	Postings offering music-related merchandise (recordings, memorabilia)
	for which no more specific .marketplace group exists.  Note that
	rec.music.MAKERS.marketplace and its subgroups exist for the sale
	of instruments and gear; those postings are off-topic here.

HOW TO VOTE

You must send MAIL to [email protected]  (Posting in a newsgroup does not
constitute a vote.)  Just replying to this article should work unless you
are reading it on a mailing list, but please check the TO address.

Please remove text before the marker line below.  Voting mail is archived
by the votetakers, and hundreds of copies of the entire CFV wastes space.

Type your vote of YES or NO for each group on the line for that group.
If you do not wish to vote for a group, simply leave that line alone.
You need not worry about quoting characters which your mailer inserts.
Please type YES or NO, not Y, N, or X.  The votes are tabulated by a
program, and a valid vote is defined as the word YES or NO on the same
line as the name of the group.

You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It is your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.

Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account.  Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.

-=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
rec.music.collecting/marketplace reorg <RMC-0001> (Don't remove this marker)

Please give your real name here:

[Your Vote]  Group
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[         ]  rec.music.collecting.cd (replaces rec.music.cd)
[         ]  rec.music.collecting.misc
[         ]  rec.music.collecting.vinyl
[         ]  rec.music.marketplace.cd
[         ]  rec.music.marketplace.misc (replaces rec.music.marketplace)
[         ]  rec.music.marketplace.vinyl
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From [email protected] Thu Jul 27 20:25:37 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Steve Bonine)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.music.misc,rec.music.marketplace,rec.music.cd,rec.collecting,rec.antiques.radio+phono,alt.music.alternative,alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.music.{collecting,marketplace} reorganization
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Date: 28 Jul 1995 00:25:08 -0000
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Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7232 news.groups:161625 rec.music.misc:184515 rec.music.marketplace:42396 rec.music.cd:59755 rec.collecting:49204 rec.antiques.radio+phono:9722 alt.music.alternative:222691 alt.rock-n-roll:84318

                      LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
  unmoderated group rec.music.collecting.cd (replaces rec.music.cd)
             unmoderated group rec.music.collecting.misc
             unmoderated group rec.music.collecting.vinyl
              unmoderated group rec.music.marketplace.cd
unmoderated group rec.music.marketplace.misc (replaces rec.music.marketplace)
            unmoderated group rec.music.marketplace.vinyl

Newsgroups lines:
rec.music.collecting.cd Compact discs of collector value.
rec.music.collecting.misc       Music collecting other than vinyl or CD.
rec.music.collecting.vinyl      Collecting vinyl records.
rec.music.marketplace.cd        Buying and selling collectible compact discs.
rec.music.marketplace.misc      Buying and selling non-vinyl/CD music.
rec.music.marketplace.vinyl     Buying and selling collectible vinyl records.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 10 Aug 1995.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions
only contact Steve Bonine <[email protected]>.  For questions about the proposed
group contact T P Uschanov <[email protected]> or
Lazlo Nibble <[email protected]>.

RATIONALE

There is significant demand for a place on the net where collectors of
vinyl LPs, singles, and other releases can discuss the format without
being "drowned out" by unrelated postings.  rec.music.collecting.vinyl
will fill that niche, and rec.music.collecting.cd is, we feel, an
appropriate counterpart.  (More about r.m.c.cd below.)  There has also
been significant support for discussion of pre-LP collecting (78s, wax
cylinders, etc.); a .misc group is therefore proposed to hold that and
other non-CD/vinyl discussion.

rec.music.marketplace is long overdue for a split; many people interested
in buying music over the net prefer one of the two primary formats (vinyl
and CDs) over the other.  There have been many complaints from collectors
of one format about having to "wade through" postings selling the other.
We believe that the natural dividing line for a split is .cd/.vinyl/.misc,
as proposed.

rec.music.cd is at the heart of both aspects of the proposal; the group
was created in the early days of the format, when compact discs were
something special rather than the default format that they have become
today.  The newsgroup is devolving into a catch-all for general music
discussion, and in our opinion less than half of the group's current
traffic belongs there.  People tend to post general comments about the
latest releases there, simply because they happen to be available on CD. A
recent check of the news spool at rt66.com revealed that the 275 messages
available on the machine at the time broke down roughly as follows:

   40%  CD-specific discussion (CD clubs, availability/quality questions,
        etc.)
   30%  Wanted/Forsale postings (officially off-topic since the creation
        of rec.music.marketplace)
   30%  Off-topic messages ("who sings this," "tell me more bands like <x>",
        general discussion of artists/music belonging to rec.music.misc
        and/or specific rec.music.* and alt.music.* groups, etc.)

In our opinion the creation of CD-specific groups for collecting and
marketplace topics will help bring the noise level down.  CD-specific
discussion would go to rec.music.collecting.cd, wanted/forsale postings
would go to rec.music.marketplace.cd, and off-topic messages would
be (we hope) discouraged by the two groups' more specific names.

CHARTERS

    rec.music.collecting.cd
        Discussion of issues relevant to collectors of audio compact discs.
        Postings belong here only if they have some direct bearing on the
        CD format -- the mere availability on CD of a given release is *not*
        sufficient reason to discuss it here, unless the item is only
        available on CD, a CD reissue, has CD-only features, etc.  The
        group is also not for discussion of musical quality, how much you
        like an album, and so forth, as none of these questions are specific
        to the CD format.  Wanted and for-sale postings are off-charter here
        and should be directed to the most appropriate rec.music.marketplace
        group.

    rec.music.collecting.vinyl
        Discussion of issues relevant to collectors of vinyl LPs, singles,
        and related recording formats.  Wanted and for-sale postings are
        off-charter here and should be directed to the most appropriate
        rec.music.marketplace group.

    rec.music.collecting.misc
        Discussion of music-collecting issues for which there is no more
        specific rec.music.collecting newsgroup.  Wanted and for-sale
        postings are off-charter here and should be directed to the most
        appropriate rec.music.marketplace group.

    rec.music.marketplace.vinyl
        Postings offering and seeking sound recordings on vinyl (LPs, 7"/12"
        singles, and so forth).  Such postings belong in this group *only*,
        both so that people interested in the material can find it and so
        those who wish to avoid such postings can do so easily.  Posters
        are encouraged to be as specific as possible in their subject lines,
        including a description of the genre and/or artists involved.
        Messages offering the same items from the same seller should not be
        posted more often than once a week.

    rec.music.marketplace.cd
        Postings offering and seeking sound recordings on compact disc.
        Such postings belong in this group *only*, both so that people
        interested in the material can find it and so those who wish to
        avoid such postings can do so easily.  Posters are encouraged to
        be as specific as possible in their subject lines, including a
        description of the genre and/or artists involved.  Messages offering
        the same items from the same seller should not be posted more often
        than once a week.

    rec.music.marketplace to rec.music.marketplace.misc
        Postings offering music-related merchandise (recordings, memorabilia)
        for which no more specific .marketplace group exists.  Note that
        rec.music.MAKERS.marketplace and its subgroups exist for the sale
        of instruments and gear; those postings are off-topic here.

HOW TO VOTE

You must send MAIL to [email protected]  (Posting in a newsgroup does not
constitute a vote.)  Just replying to this article should work unless you
are reading it on a mailing list, but please check the TO address.

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Type your vote of YES or NO for each group on the line for that group.
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You need not worry about quoting characters which your mailer inserts.
Please type YES or NO, not Y, N, or X.  The votes are tabulated by a
program, and a valid vote is defined as the word YES or NO on the same
line as the name of the group.

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Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The
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ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It is your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.

Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account.  Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.

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Please give your real name here:

[Your Vote]  Group
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[         ]  rec.music.collecting.misc
[         ]  rec.music.collecting.vinyl
[         ]  rec.music.marketplace.cd
[         ]  rec.music.marketplace.misc (replaces rec.music.marketplace)
[         ]  rec.music.marketplace.vinyl
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rec.music.collecting/marketplace reorg Bounce List - No need to revote
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[email protected]                                            Eric Fritts

From [email protected] Fri Aug 11 14:54:03 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Steve Bonine)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.music.misc,rec.music.marketplace,rec.music.cd,rec.collecting,rec.antiques.radio+phono,alt.music.alternative,alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: RESULT: rec.music.{collecting,marketplace} reorganization passes
Followup-To: news.groups
Date: 11 Aug 1995 18:53:53 -0000
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Archive-Name: rec.music.marketplace-reorg
Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7327 news.groups:163883 rec.music.misc:185489 rec.music.marketplace:43631 rec.music.cd:60245 rec.collecting:50614 rec.antiques.radio+phono:10254 alt.music.alternative:226340 alt.rock-n-roll:84851

                                RESULT
       unmoderated group rec.music.collecting.cd passes 143:19
      unmoderated group rec.music.collecting.misc passes 143:20
      unmoderated group rec.music.collecting.vinyl passes 153:16
       unmoderated group rec.music.marketplace.cd passes 146:17
      unmoderated group rec.music.marketplace.misc passes 143:23
     unmoderated group rec.music.marketplace.vinyl passes 151:18

 Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
 143   19 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : rec.music.collecting.cd (replaces rec.music.cd)
 143   20 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : rec.music.collecting.misc
 153   16 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : rec.music.collecting.vinyl
 146   17 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : rec.music.marketplace.cd
 143   23 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : rec.music.marketplace.misc (replaces rec.music.marketplace)
 151   18 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : rec.music.marketplace.vinyl

For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.  If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the groups shortly thereafter.

Newsgroups lines:
rec.music.collecting.cd Compact discs of collector value.
rec.music.collecting.misc       Music collecting other than vinyl or CD.
rec.music.collecting.vinyl      Collecting vinyl records.
rec.music.marketplace.cd        Buying and selling collectible compact discs.
rec.music.marketplace.misc      Buying and selling non-vinyl/CD music.
rec.music.marketplace.vinyl     Buying and selling collectible vinyl records.

Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 10 Aug 1995.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions
only contact Steve Bonine <[email protected]>.  For questions about the proposed
group contact T P Uschanov <[email protected]> or
Lazlo Nibble <[email protected]>.

CHARTER: rec.music.collecting.cd

        Discussion of issues relevant to collectors of audio compact discs.
        Postings belong here only if they have some direct bearing on the
        CD format -- the mere availability on CD of a given release is *not*
        sufficient reason to discuss it here, unless the item is only
        available on CD, a CD reissue, has CD-only features, etc.  The
        group is also not for discussion of musical quality, how much you
        like an album, and so forth, as none of these questions are specific
        to the CD format.  Wanted and for-sale postings are off-charter here
        and should be directed to the most appropriate rec.music.marketplace
        group.

CHARTER: rec.music.collecting.vinyl

        Discussion of issues relevant to collectors of vinyl LPs, singles,
        and related recording formats.  Wanted and for-sale postings are
        off-charter here and should be directed to the most appropriate
        rec.music.marketplace group.

CHARTER: rec.music.collecting.misc

        Discussion of music-collecting issues for which there is no more
        specific rec.music.collecting newsgroup.  Wanted and for-sale
        postings are off-charter here and should be directed to the most
        appropriate rec.music.marketplace group.

CHARTER: rec.music.marketplace.vinyl

        Postings offering and seeking sound recordings on vinyl (LPs, 7"/12"
        singles, and so forth).  Such postings belong in this group *only*,
        both so that people interested in the material can find it and so
        those who wish to avoid such postings can do so easily.  Posters
        are encouraged to be as specific as possible in their subject lines,
        including a description of the genre and/or artists involved.
        Messages offering the same items from the same seller should not be
        posted more often than once a week.

CHARTER: rec.music.marketplace.cd

        Postings offering and seeking sound recordings on compact disc.
        Such postings belong in this group *only*, both so that people
        interested in the material can find it and so those who wish to
        avoid such postings can do so easily.  Posters are encouraged to
        be as specific as possible in their subject lines, including a
        description of the genre and/or artists involved.  Messages offering
        the same items from the same seller should not be posted more often
        than once a week.

CHARTER: rec.music.marketplace.misc

        Postings offering music-related merchandise (recordings, memorabilia)
        for which no more specific .marketplace group exists.  Note that
        rec.music.MAKERS.marketplace and its subgroups exist for the sale
        of instruments and gear; those postings are off-topic here.

rec.music.collecting/marketplace reorg Final Vote Ack


                                         rec.music.marketplace.vinyl --------+
         rec.music.marketplace.misc (replaces rec.music.marketplace) -------+|
                                            rec.music.marketplace.cd ------+||
                                          rec.music.collecting.vinyl -----+|||
                                           rec.music.collecting.misc ----+||||
                     rec.music.collecting.cd (replaces rec.music.cd) ---+|||||
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