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From [email protected] Fri Sep  9 18:34:07 1994
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: Cindy Tittle Moore <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RFD: rec.pets.dogs reorganization
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This is a request for discussion on the proposal to split
rec.pets.dogs into a number of constituent subnewsgroups:

                       rec.pets.dogs.activities
                        rec.pets.dogs.behavior
                         rec.pets.dogs.breeds
                         rec.pets.dogs.health
                    rec.pets.dogs.info, moderated
              rec.pets.dogs.misc replacing rec.pets.dogs

Crossposted to:  rec.pets.dogs, news.announce.newgroups, news.groups.

Followups to: news.groups

Proposed by: Cindy Tittle Moore ([email protected])


COMMENTS

For those unfamiliar with the process of creating newsgroup, this is
the formal Request For Discussion (RFD) on creating a new group.
Those of us on RPD are already aware of the informal discussion on the
split that has taken place to shape this formal proposal.

Please notice that followups are directed to news.groups.  If you wish
to discuss this proposal, you should do so in news.groups, so that all
persons interested in this discussion will be able to see your
remarks.  This is a necessary step, even though we've hashed the
issues out to some extent already on rec.pets.dogs.

If the results of the discussion are positive, a vote will be held on
creating this new newsgroup.  A Call for Votes (CFV) will be posted at
least 21, but not more than 30, days after this Request for Discussion
(RFD) appears.  The CFV will give instructions on how to vote; voting
is conducted for some amount of time between 21 and 31 days.  The
exact time will be given in the CFV.  I plan to contact Ron Dippold
about using a neutral, third-party Usenet Volunteer Votetaker.  When
the votes are tallied, in order for the group to be created, at least
100 more "yes" than "no" votes must have arrived, AND at least 2/3 of
the total votes must be "yes" votes.  I will ask for at least one mass
acknowledgement of received votes (without an indication of which way
participants voted) to help you verify that your vote was received.


RATIONALE

Rec.pets.dogs is currently a newsgroup with a huge volume of traffic,
well in excess of 200 messages a day during the weekday and usually
over 50 a day during weekends and holidays.  It is increasingly
difficult to keep up with the enthusiastic traffic on this list.  It
is also clear, from the numerous mailing lists currently existing,
that there is a high degree of interest in specific topics on
rec.pets.dogs.  

Breaking rec.pets.dogs up into several major topical subdivisions
seems the best way to help separate out the traffic on rec.pets.dogs
and reduce it to a more organized and manageable level.

For example, the sheer number of breed specific mailing lists points
up to the interest that people would have in rpd.breeds; the
extraordinarily high volumes on obed-l and agility-l, the continuing
popularity of flyball on RPD, and sustained interest in conform-l
argue for the formation of rpd.activities.  The high number of
questions on canine health and husbandry, and the extensive faqs for
same argue for the rpd.health group.  The misc group is the USENET
standard for renaming a group that is split up.

(Note, for those interested in seeing just how many faqs and email
lists there are, you may use anonymous ftp to ftp.netcom.com and look
at the documents /pub/tittle/rpd/email-list and
/pub/tittle/rpd/faq-list.)


PROPOSAL

That rec.pets.dogs be split up into a number of subgroups, each listed
with its charter below:

rec.pets.dogs.activities
  This group is for the discussion of activities involving dogs.
  Examples include but are not limited to conformation, obedience,
  field trials, herding trials, frisbee/disc competition, flyball,
  hunting, sledding, backpacking/camping and hiking.  Other
  appropriate topics include discussion of training for the particular
  activity, physical conditioning, how to hook up with activities
  available in your area, etc.  Sportsmanlike conduct is expected; in
  particular, derogatory comments about activities you don't care
  for are frowned upon.  Use of keywords in the subject line to
  clearly identify your activity is encouraged.

rec.pets.dogs.breeds
  This group is for extensive breed specific discussion.  Topics may
  include breed specific health problems, locating breeders of
  particular breeds, discussing breed specific abilities and
  characteristics, asking about what breeds make appropriate pets
  under what circumstances.  Clearly identifying the breed you are
  discussing in the subject line is encouraged.

rec.pets.dogs.info, moderated
  This is a moderated group and will only post faqs relevant to
  rec.pets.dogs.  The moderator will be Cindy Tittle Moore
  ([email protected]) who has written many of the faqs, and already
  moderates another group and so has the relevant experience.
  Appropriate faqs that are already cleared for posting to
  news.answers are automatically eligible to be posted here.  In
  addition, many of the regular informative postings that appear on
  rec.pets.dogs now would also be eligible (eg, the Protection Dog
  articles, the CCI puppy handlers post, etc.). No discussion is
  permitted on this group.  This group is intended to make the faqs
  and artictles with useful information for RPD more visible and
  easier to find, especially for newcomers.  There are at least
  46 faqs and articles regularly posted to rec.pets.dogs at the moment.
  
rec.pets.dogs.misc
  This group is for miscellaneous questions that are not more
  appropriate for one of the other groups.  This includes chat, humor,
  anything pertaining to canines not explicitly covered elsewhere.
  The name is the stylized renaming convention for the original group
  for when it is split up, and is intended to replace rec.pets.dogs.

rec.pets.dogs.health
  This group is for health and medical questions related to dogs.
  This includes, but certainly is not limited to, questions on hip
  dysplasia, epilepsy, eye problems, diabetes, bloat, allergies and
  skin problems, etc.  Hereditary and acquired diseases may be
  discussed, as well as traumatic disorders.  Questions about
  nutrition and feeding are also appropriate here.  This newsgroup is
  not intended to replace veterinary care in any way, but is to help
  inform the dog owner about canine health.
  
rec.pets.dogs.behavior
  This group is for the discussion of typical behavioral problems with
  dogs.  Examples include but are not limited to: digging, barking,
  aggressive behavior, housetraining, crate training, etc.  Also
  appropriate is discussion of "why" dogs behave as they do and how to
  work with that to eliminate some behaviors and reinforce others.


--Cindy Tittle Moore
[email protected]
-- 
_________________________Cindy Tittle Moore___________________________________

Internet: [email protected]              USmail: PO Box 4188, Irvine CA, 92716

From [email protected] (RonDippold) Tue Oct 11 13:06:26 1994
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.pets.dogs
Subject: CFV: rec.pets.dogs.* reorganization
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		     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
	      unmoderated group rec.pets.dogs.activities
	       unmoderated group rec.pets.dogs.behavior
		unmoderated group rec.pets.dogs.breeds
		unmoderated group rec.pets.dogs.health
		  moderated group rec.pets.dogs.info
		 unmoderated group rec.pets.dogs.misc
		unmoderated group rec.pets.dogs.rescue

Newsgroups line:
rec.pets.dogs.activities	Dog events: showing, obed, agility, etc.
rec.pets.dogs.behavior	Behaviors and problems: housetraining, chewing, etc.
rec.pets.dogs.breeds	Breed specific -- breed traits, finding breeders, etc.
rec.pets.dogs.health	Info about health problems & how to care for dogs
rec.pets.dogs.info	General information and FAQs posted here. (Moderated)
rec.pets.dogs.misc	All other topics, chat, humor, etc.
rec.pets.dogs.rescue	Information about breed rescue, placing and adopting


Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 1 November 1994.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the
proposed group contact Cindy Tittle Moore <[email protected]>


CHARTER

Rec.pets.dogs is currently a newsgroup with a huge volume of traffic,
well in excess of 200 messages a day during the weekday and usually
over 50 a day during weekends and holidays.  It is increasingly
difficult to keep up with the enthusiastic traffic on this list.  It
is also clear, from the numerous mailing lists currently existing,
that there is a high degree of interest in specific topics on
rec.pets.dogs.  Hence, the proposed division into the following
general subtopics.

rec.pets.dogs.activities
  This group is for the discussion of activities involving dogs.
  Examples include but are not limited to conformation, obedience,
  field trials, herding trials, frisbee/disc competition, flyball,
  hunting, sledding, backpacking/camping and hiking.  Other
  appropriate topics include discussion of training for the particular
  activity, physical conditioning, how to hook up with activities
  available in your area, etc.  Sportsmanlike conduct is expected; in
  particular, derogatory comments about activities you don't care
  for are frowned upon.  Use of keywords in the subject line to
  clearly identify your activity is encouraged.
  
rec.pets.dogs.behavior
  This group is for the discussion of typical behavioral problems with
  dogs.  Examples include but are not limited to: digging, barking,
  aggressive behavior, housetraining, crate training, etc.  Also
  appropriate is discussion of "why" dogs behave as they do and how to
  work with that to eliminate some behaviors and reinforce others.

rec.pets.dogs.breeds
  This group is for extensive breed specific discussion.  Topics may
  include breed specific health problems, locating breeders of
  particular breeds, discussing breed specific abilities and
  characteristics, asking about what breeds make appropriate pets
  under what circumstances.  Clearly identifying the breed you are
  discussing in the subject line is encouraged.

rec.pets.dogs.health
  This group is for health and medical questions related to dogs.
  This includes, but certainly is not limited to, questions on hip
  dysplasia, epilepsy, eye problems, diabetes, bloat, allergies and
  skin problems, etc.  Hereditary and acquired diseases may be
  discussed, as well as traumatic disorders.  Questions about
  nutrition and feeding are also appropriate here.  This newsgroup is
  not intended to replace veterinary care in any way, but is to help
  inform the dog owner about canine health.

rec.pets.dogs.info, moderated
  This is a moderated group and will only post faqs relevant to
  rec.pets.dogs.  The moderator will be Cindy Tittle Moore
  ([email protected], [email protected]) who has written
  many of the faqs, and already moderates another group and so has the
  relevant experience.  Appropriate faqs that are already cleared for
  posting to news.answers are automatically eligible to be posted
  here.  In addition, many of the regular informative postings that
  appear on rec.pets.dogs now would also be eligible (eg, the
  Protection Dog articles, the CCI puppy handlers post, etc.). No
  discussion is permitted on this group.  This group is intended to
  make the faqs and artictles with useful information for RPD more
  visible and easier to find, especially for newcomers.  There are at
  least 46 faqs and articles regularly posted to rec.pets.dogs at the
  moment.
  
rec.pets.dogs.misc
  This group is for miscellaneous questions that are not more
  appropriate for one of the other groups.  This includes chat, humor,
  anything pertaining to canines not explicitly covered elsewhere.
  The name is the stylized renaming convention for the original group
  for when it is split up, and is intended to replace rec.pets.dogs.
  If this group passes, rec.pets.dogs will be removed after three
  months, allowing traffic time to migrate.  

rec.pets.dogs.rescue
  This unmoderated newsgroup proposed as rec.pets.dogs.rescue will be
  used for the discussion of all aspects of dog rescue.  Topics
  appropriate to this newsgroup will include, but are not limited to:
        * General questions and answers on dog rescue.
        * General announcements relative to various rescue groups.
        * General discussion of methods to use in helping a rescue
          dog adjust to its new home.
        * Idiosyncrasies found in rescue dogs, i.e., fears, aggression,
          etc., and how to handle same.
        * Training or re-training the rescue dog.
        * Breed specific rescue group information.


HOW TO VOTE

Erase everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line and erase everything
below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line.  Do not erase anything between these
lines and do not change the group names.

Give your name on the line that asks for it. For each group, place a YES or
NO in the brackets next to it to vote for or against it.  If you don't want
to vote on a particular group, just leave the space blank.  Don't worry
about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply
inserts.

Send MAIL to:   [email protected]
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.

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rec.pets.dogs hierarchy Ballot    <RPDH-0001> (Don't remove this marker)

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[Your Vote]  Group
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
[         ]  rec.pets.dogs.activities
[         ]  rec.pets.dogs.behavior
[         ]  rec.pets.dogs.breeds
[         ]  rec.pets.dogs.health
[         ]  rec.pets.dogs.info moderated
[         ]  rec.pets.dogs.misc
[         ]  rec.pets.dogs.rescue
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Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.

Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account.  Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.

From [email protected] (RonDippold) Wed Oct 26 12:59:27 1994
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.pets.dogs
Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.pets.dogs.* reorganization
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Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5839 news.groups:121683 rec.pets.dogs:97723

                     LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
              unmoderated group rec.pets.dogs.activities
               unmoderated group rec.pets.dogs.behavior
                unmoderated group rec.pets.dogs.breeds
                unmoderated group rec.pets.dogs.health
                  moderated group rec.pets.dogs.info
                 unmoderated group rec.pets.dogs.misc
                unmoderated group rec.pets.dogs.rescue

Newsgroups line:
rec.pets.dogs.activities        Dog events: showing, obed, agility, etc.
rec.pets.dogs.behavior  Behaviors and problems: housetraining, chewing, etc.
rec.pets.dogs.breeds    Breed specific -- breed traits, finding breeders, etc.
rec.pets.dogs.health    Info about health problems & how to care for dogs
rec.pets.dogs.info      General information and FAQs posted here. (Moderated)
rec.pets.dogs.misc      All other topics, chat, humor, etc.
rec.pets.dogs.rescue    Information about breed rescue, placing and adopting


Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 1 November 1994.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the
proposed group contact Cindy Tittle Moore <[email protected]>


CHARTER

Rec.pets.dogs is currently a newsgroup with a huge volume of traffic,
well in excess of 200 messages a day during the weekday and usually
over 50 a day during weekends and holidays.  It is increasingly
difficult to keep up with the enthusiastic traffic on this list.  It
is also clear, from the numerous mailing lists currently existing,
that there is a high degree of interest in specific topics on
rec.pets.dogs.  Hence, the proposed division into the following
general subtopics.

rec.pets.dogs.activities
  This group is for the discussion of activities involving dogs.
  Examples include but are not limited to conformation, obedience,
  field trials, herding trials, frisbee/disc competition, flyball,
  hunting, sledding, backpacking/camping and hiking.  Other
  appropriate topics include discussion of training for the particular
  activity, physical conditioning, how to hook up with activities
  available in your area, etc.  Sportsmanlike conduct is expected; in
  particular, derogatory comments about activities you don't care
  for are frowned upon.  Use of keywords in the subject line to
  clearly identify your activity is encouraged.
  
rec.pets.dogs.behavior
  This group is for the discussion of typical behavioral problems with
  dogs.  Examples include but are not limited to: digging, barking,
  aggressive behavior, housetraining, crate training, etc.  Also
  appropriate is discussion of "why" dogs behave as they do and how to
  work with that to eliminate some behaviors and reinforce others.

rec.pets.dogs.breeds
  This group is for extensive breed specific discussion.  Topics may
  include breed specific health problems, locating breeders of
  particular breeds, discussing breed specific abilities and
  characteristics, asking about what breeds make appropriate pets
  under what circumstances.  Clearly identifying the breed you are
  discussing in the subject line is encouraged.

rec.pets.dogs.health
  This group is for health and medical questions related to dogs.
  This includes, but certainly is not limited to, questions on hip
  dysplasia, epilepsy, eye problems, diabetes, bloat, allergies and
  skin problems, etc.  Hereditary and acquired diseases may be
  discussed, as well as traumatic disorders.  Questions about
  nutrition and feeding are also appropriate here.  This newsgroup is
  not intended to replace veterinary care in any way, but is to help
  inform the dog owner about canine health.

rec.pets.dogs.info, moderated
  This is a moderated group and will only post faqs relevant to
  rec.pets.dogs.  The moderator will be Cindy Tittle Moore
  ([email protected], [email protected]) who has written
  many of the faqs, and already moderates another group and so has the
  relevant experience.  Appropriate faqs that are already cleared for
  posting to news.answers are automatically eligible to be posted
  here.  In addition, many of the regular informative postings that
  appear on rec.pets.dogs now would also be eligible (eg, the
  Protection Dog articles, the CCI puppy handlers post, etc.). No
  discussion is permitted on this group.  This group is intended to
  make the faqs and artictles with useful information for RPD more
  visible and easier to find, especially for newcomers.  There are at
  least 46 faqs and articles regularly posted to rec.pets.dogs at the
  moment.
  
rec.pets.dogs.misc
  This group is for miscellaneous questions that are not more
  appropriate for one of the other groups.  This includes chat, humor,
  anything pertaining to canines not explicitly covered elsewhere.
  The name is the stylized renaming convention for the original group
  for when it is split up, and is intended to replace rec.pets.dogs.
  If this group passes, rec.pets.dogs will be removed after three
  months, allowing traffic time to migrate.  

rec.pets.dogs.rescue
  This unmoderated newsgroup proposed as rec.pets.dogs.rescue will be
  used for the discussion of all aspects of dog rescue.  Topics
  appropriate to this newsgroup will include, but are not limited to:
        * General questions and answers on dog rescue.
        * General announcements relative to various rescue groups.
        * General discussion of methods to use in helping a rescue
          dog adjust to its new home.
        * Idiosyncrasies found in rescue dogs, i.e., fears, aggression,
          etc., and how to handle same.
        * Training or re-training the rescue dog.
        * Breed specific rescue group information.


HOW TO VOTE

Erase everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line and erase everything
below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line.  Do not erase anything between these
lines and do not change the group names.

Give your name on the line that asks for it. For each group, place a YES or
NO in the brackets next to it to vote for or against it.  If you don't want
to vote on a particular group, just leave the space blank.  Don't worry
about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply
inserts.

Send MAIL to:   [email protected]
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.

-=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
rec.pets.dogs hierarchy Ballot    <RPDH-0002> (Don't remove this marker)

Give your real name here:

[Your Vote]  Group
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
[         ]  rec.pets.dogs.activities
[         ]  rec.pets.dogs.behavior
[         ]  rec.pets.dogs.breeds
[         ]  rec.pets.dogs.health
[         ]  rec.pets.dogs.info moderated
[         ]  rec.pets.dogs.misc
[         ]  rec.pets.dogs.rescue
-=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.

Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account.  Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.



rec.pets.dogs hierarchy Bounce List - No need to revote
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From [email protected] (RonDippold) Thu Nov  3 17:32:24 1994
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RESULT: rec.pets.dogs.* reorganization all groups pass
Supersedes: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: news.groups
Date: 3 Nov 1994 15:47:02 -0500
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Lines: 484
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Approved: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
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Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5896 news.groups:122287 rec.pets.dogs:99198

                               RESULT
	  rec.pets.dogs hierarchy results - 357 valid votes

 Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
 298   47 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : rec.pets.dogs.activities
 309   42 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : rec.pets.dogs.behavior
 306   45 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : rec.pets.dogs.breeds
 312   41 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : rec.pets.dogs.health
 315   37 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : rec.pets.dogs.info (moderated)
 314   31 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : rec.pets.dogs.misc
 279   60 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : rec.pets.dogs.rescue


Newsgroups line:
rec.pets.dogs.activities        Dog events: showing, obed, agility, etc.
rec.pets.dogs.behavior  Behaviors and problems: housetraining, chewing, etc.
rec.pets.dogs.breeds    Breed specific -- breed traits, finding breeders, etc.
rec.pets.dogs.health    Info about health problems & how to care for dogs
rec.pets.dogs.info      General information and FAQs posted here. (Moderated)
rec.pets.dogs.misc      All other topics, chat, humor, etc.
rec.pets.dogs.rescue    Information about breed rescue, placing and adopting


This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the
proposed group contact Cindy Tittle Moore <[email protected]>


CHARTER

Rec.pets.dogs is currently a newsgroup with a huge volume of traffic,
well in excess of 200 messages a day during the weekday and usually
over 50 a day during weekends and holidays.  It is increasingly
difficult to keep up with the enthusiastic traffic on this list.  It
is also clear, from the numerous mailing lists currently existing,
that there is a high degree of interest in specific topics on
rec.pets.dogs.  Hence, the proposed division into the following
general subtopics.

rec.pets.dogs.activities
  This group is for the discussion of activities involving dogs.
  Examples include but are not limited to conformation, obedience,
  field trials, herding trials, frisbee/disc competition, flyball,
  hunting, sledding, backpacking/camping and hiking.  Other
  appropriate topics include discussion of training for the particular
  activity, physical conditioning, how to hook up with activities
  available in your area, etc.  Sportsmanlike conduct is expected; in
  particular, derogatory comments about activities you don't care
  for are frowned upon.  Use of keywords in the subject line to
  clearly identify your activity is encouraged.
  
rec.pets.dogs.behavior
  This group is for the discussion of typical behavioral problems with
  dogs.  Examples include but are not limited to: digging, barking,
  aggressive behavior, housetraining, crate training, etc.  Also
  appropriate is discussion of "why" dogs behave as they do and how to
  work with that to eliminate some behaviors and reinforce others.

rec.pets.dogs.breeds
  This group is for extensive breed specific discussion.  Topics may
  include breed specific health problems, locating breeders of
  particular breeds, discussing breed specific abilities and
  characteristics, asking about what breeds make appropriate pets
  under what circumstances.  Clearly identifying the breed you are
  discussing in the subject line is encouraged.

rec.pets.dogs.health
  This group is for health and medical questions related to dogs.
  This includes, but certainly is not limited to, questions on hip
  dysplasia, epilepsy, eye problems, diabetes, bloat, allergies and
  skin problems, etc.  Hereditary and acquired diseases may be
  discussed, as well as traumatic disorders.  Questions about
  nutrition and feeding are also appropriate here.  This newsgroup is
  not intended to replace veterinary care in any way, but is to help
  inform the dog owner about canine health.

rec.pets.dogs.info, moderated
  This is a moderated group and will only post faqs relevant to
  rec.pets.dogs.  The moderator will be Cindy Tittle Moore
  ([email protected], [email protected]) who has written
  many of the faqs, and already moderates another group and so has the
  relevant experience.  Appropriate faqs that are already cleared for
  posting to news.answers are automatically eligible to be posted
  here.  In addition, many of the regular informative postings that
  appear on rec.pets.dogs now would also be eligible (eg, the
  Protection Dog articles, the CCI puppy handlers post, etc.). No
  discussion is permitted on this group.  This group is intended to
  make the faqs and artictles with useful information for RPD more
  visible and easier to find, especially for newcomers.  There are at
  least 46 faqs and articles regularly posted to rec.pets.dogs at the
  moment.
  
rec.pets.dogs.misc
  This group is for miscellaneous questions that are not more
  appropriate for one of the other groups.  This includes chat, humor,
  anything pertaining to canines not explicitly covered elsewhere.
  The name is the stylized renaming convention for the original group
  for when it is split up, and is intended to replace rec.pets.dogs.
  If this group passes, rec.pets.dogs will be removed after three
  months, allowing traffic time to migrate.  

rec.pets.dogs.rescue
  This unmoderated newsgroup proposed as rec.pets.dogs.rescue will be
  used for the discussion of all aspects of dog rescue.  Topics
  appropriate to this newsgroup will include, but are not limited to:
        * General questions and answers on dog rescue.
        * General announcements relative to various rescue groups.
        * General discussion of methods to use in helping a rescue
          dog adjust to its new home.
        * Idiosyncrasies found in rescue dogs, i.e., fears, aggression,
          etc., and how to handle same.
        * Training or re-training the rescue dog.
        * Breed specific rescue group information.


rec.pets.dogs hierarchy Final Vote Ack


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                                             rec.pets.dogs.behavior ----+|||||
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