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From [email protected] Mon Sep 23 17:24:29 1996
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: Scott Anguish <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.video.satellite.dbs,rec.video.satellite.misc
Subject: RFD: rec.video.satellite.dbs reorganization
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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
moderated group rec.video.satellite.dbs.misc (renames rec.video.satellite.dbs)
         moderated group rec.video.satellite.dbs.marketplace

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the reorganization
of the rec.video.satellite.dbs hierarchy. This is not a Call For Votes
(CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below.

Newsgroups lines:
rec.video.satellite.dbs.marketplace	Direct broadcast items wanted/for sale. (Moderated)
rec.video.satellite.dbs.misc	Talk about direct broadcast satellite systems. (Moderated)

RATIONALE: all groups

The group rec.video.satellite.dbs has been growing steadily with
growing popularity of Direct Broadcast Satellite.  Daily traffic flow
now often tops 100 postings daily making it difficult to maintain
technical discussions, and a burden on the users who receive the group
via the gated mailing list.

The group has also been subject to a high incidence of commercial
advertising by satellite dealers, some posting as many as 3 or more
copies of their ads each day, forged 'testimonials' and anonymous
referrals.  It is this traffic, along with the arguments and abuse
that is generated by the response to these posts that has spurred this
reorganization.

The goal of this split is to restore the group to its original
discussion roots, and remove the advertising and flames.

The resultant two groups would be moderated to ensure that the groups
are kept on charter, and that advertising frequency in the marketplace
group can be restricted.

RATIONAL: rec.video.satellite.dbs.misc

The existing rec.video.satellite.dbs group has become difficult to
navigate due to a high-incidence of commercial advertising, the
resulting flames, and anonymous, abusive posts and trolls.  By
replacing the group with the moderated group
rec.video.satellite.dbs.misc it will be possible to remove the
advertising from the group completely, and at the same time prevent
the abuse and trolling that exists now. Making this group moderated
would ensure that no advertising is posted, that the group will be
kept on topic, and civil.

RATIONAL: rec.video.satellite.dbs.marketplace

There is no direct broadcast satellite specific group in which
marketplace posts are appropriate.  rec.video.satellite.dbs.misc
is for discussion, not commerce; unfortunately, the current
rec.video.satellite.dbs discussion group sees many of these
inappropriate commercial posts. There are readers who are interested
in the latest pricing and packages available from the different
DBS dealers, and in order to best serve their interests and those
who have no interest in the advertising, this separate group is
proposed.

The name of the proposed group is chosen to match the proposed
rec.video.satellite.dbs.* and *.marketplace newsgroups.  Marketplace
has been chosen over forsale due to the commercial aspects of many
of the posts.

Making this group moderated would ensure that advertising frequency
is kept as per the charter, and that there is no advertiser vs.
advertiser postings.


CHARTER: rec.video.satellite.dbs.misc

For the discussion of Direct Broadcast Satellite (DBS) technologies,
companies, products and services. DBS is a digital home-entertainment
service which transmit cable-style programming via higher-powered
satellites in a compressed and encrypted format. DBS customers
purchase a small (18" or so) receiving dish and associated components
which enable them to subscribe to cable-type programming without
having to be wired for cable, or in areas not served by cable tv.
There are currently 4 such services operating in the US, with more
than 1 million subscribers.

- Commercial advertising is *strictly prohibited*.
- Anonymous posting would be prohibited
- Flames/Abusive language would be discouraged.
- Crossposting between rec.video.satellite.dbs.marketplace is
  prohibited.
- Binary postings of any kind are prohibited.

This newsgroup will be bi-directionally gated to the existing mailing
list (if the mailing list owner allows) or another mailing list
will be created.

Moderation Policy

We believe that moderation is not censorship and should never be
allowed to become the same.  However, we also believe that a
newsgroup should be free of irrelevant postings and wasted bandwidth.
The philosophy of moderation is to be light-handed and to offer
extra help behind the scenes for new participants, who may be
experiencing problems with e-mail addresses or net customs or the
like.  This assistance will be offered privately, in response to
posts which, judging from past experience, are likely to be objected
to by at least some other participants (e.g.personal attacks,
questions fully covered in a FAQ file, items which were intended
to be personal e-mail; incomplete questions; etc).

Upon their initial group submission, each user will be sent a copy
of the groups charter, and a mini FAQ containing pointers to
additional information.  This is an attempt to help answer simple
questions without the need to post to the group.  The Charter and
mini FAQ will be posted to the group weekly as well.

Postings that are inappropriate for rec.video.satellite.dbs.misc
- Posts not related to direct broadcast satellite technologies and
  issues.
- Crossposts to other newsgroups, other than judicious and limited
  crossposts to other relevant discussion groups.
- Posts that may flagrantly violate copyright laws, or the rules
  imposed by the charter.
- "Me too" posts; posts that lack appropriate civility;
- Binary postings

The moderator will abide by the following policies:
- The moderator will work to insure that the quality of discussions
  are kept high and free of unsolicited advertising.
- The moderator will reject articles that do not conform to this
  charter.
- The moderator may, after consulting moderation panel, prohibit
  postings by a specific user or entity for repeated attempted
  charter violations in this group or
  rec.video.satellite.dbs.marketplace
- Rejected posts would be available via FTP/WWW and pointers to
  that location would be included in each newsgroup with its weekly
  charter posting.

A three member moderation panel will be available for those who
feel their posts have been incorrectly rejected.  Currently we have
the following volunteers for the initial panel

        - Mike Knight <[email protected]>
        - Mike Kunda <[email protected]>
        - Charles E. "Rick" Taylor, IV <[email protected]>

It is expected that the majority of the moderation duties can be
accomplished through auto-moderation.  New posters, posters who
have previously violated or attempted to bypass the charter and
infrequent posters submission will be forwarded for traditional
moderation.  Submissions from readers are frequent posters, and
who do not violate the charter will have their posts automatically
approved for posting.  This automatic posting will be adjusted to
correspond to the users actions as required to conform with the
group's charter.

END CHARTER.

GATEWAYED MAILING LISTS:

It is planned that the new rec.video.satellite.dbs.misc newsgroup
will be gated to a mailing list, similar to the way that the present
rec.video.satellite.dbs group is. If the existing mailing list is
unable to accommodate this change, a new site will be found.

END GATEWAYED MAILING LISTS.

MODERATOR INFO: rec.video.satellite.dbs.misc

Moderator: Scott Anguish <[email protected]>

END MODERATOR INFO.

CHARTER: rec.video.satellite.dbs.marketplace

For commercial advertising of DBS hardware/services by dealers and
the posting by individuals selling personal DBS hardware.  In order
to prevent rampant commercial abuse in this newsgroup, it would be
moderated.

- Commercial ads would be limited to a frequency of one post per
  company over a two week period
- Crossposting to other newsgroups would be prohibited, due to the
  commercial nature of the posts, and the impossible task of having
  a moderation 'bot make judgement calls as far as which groups
  allow for commercial ads in their charter.
- Binary postings of any kind are prohibited.

Moderation policies:

The moderator will abide by the following policies:
- The moderator will be unbiased in the approval and rejection of
  postings.
- The moderator will ensure that the posting frequency is kept to
  the agreed upon limit by each advertiser.
- The moderated will set all Followup-To: poster
- The moderator will reject articles that do not conform to this
  charter.
- The moderator may, after consulting moderation panel, prohibit
  postings by a specific user or entity for repeated attempted
  charter violations in this group or rec.video.satellite.dbs.misc
- Rejected posts would be available via FTP/WWW and pointers to
  that location would be included in each newsgroup with its weekly
  charter posting.

A three member moderation panel will be available for those who
feel their posts have been incorrectly rejected.  Currently we have
the following volunteers for the initial panel

        - Mike Knight <[email protected]>
        - Mike Kunda <[email protected]>
        - Charles E. "Rick" Taylor, IV <[email protected]>

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: rec.video.satellite.dbs.marketplace

Moderator: Scott Anguish <[email protected]>

END MODERATOR INFO.


PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this
phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed
newsgroups should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period
will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the
first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups),
after which a Call For Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote
taker.  Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and
"How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to
these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have
questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
rec.video.satellite.dbs
rec.video.satellite.misc

It should be noted that rec.video.satellite.dbs is currently
bidirectionally gatewayed to a mailing list.

Proponent: Scott Anguish <[email protected]>
Proponent: Mike Kunda <[email protected]>

From [email protected] Wed Oct  9 19:23:36 1996
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: Scott Anguish <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.video.satellite.dbs,rec.video.satellite.misc
Subject: 2nd RFD: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated moderated
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Date: 9 Oct 1996 23:23:34 -0000
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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
          moderated group rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation  of
a new newsgroup in the rec.video.satellite.dbs hierarchy. This is
not a Call For Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural
details are below.

CHANGES from previous RFD:

The previous RFD suggested the change in moderation status of the
existing rec.video.satellite.dbs group, and the creation an additional
moderated group rec.video.satellite.dbs.marketplace. The proponent
complies with the suggestions during the discussion period of the
1st RFD to instead augment the existing group with a moderated
group. The proposed .marketplace group for commercial advertising
has been merged with the newly proposed .moderated group.  The
rationale and charters have been amended accordingly.


Newsgroups lines:
rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated	Direct broadcast satellite systems. (Moderated)

RATIONALE: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated

The group rec.video.satellite.dbs has been growing steadily with
growing popularity of Direct Broadcast Satellite.  Daily traffic
flow now often tops 100 postings making it difficult to
maintain technical discussions, and a burden on the users who
receive the group via the gated mailing list.

The existing rec.video.satellite.dbs group has become difficult to
navigate due to a high-incidence of intrusive commercial advertising,
the resulting flames, and anonymous, abusive posts and trolls.  By
augmenting the existing group with the proposed moderated group it
will be possible to again hold technical discussions.

The group has also been subject to a high incidence of commercial
advertising by satellite dealers, some posting as many as 3 or more
copies of their ads each day, forged 'testimonials' and anonymous
referrals.  It is this traffic, along with the arguments and abuse
that is generated by the response to these posts that has spurred
this reorganization.

The group would be moderated to ensure that the postings are kept
on charter, and would allow for discussion without harassment.

CHARTER: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated

The goal of this new group is to allow discussion of DBS technology
and services without the current level of abuse and off charter noise
that the existing rec.video.satellite.dbs newsgroup is home to.

Advertising of products and promotions would be allowed on a limited
frequency basis, and with proper identification as advertising.
Making this group moderated would ensure that that the group will
be kept spam and abuse free.

- Commercial ads would be limited to a frequency of one post per
  company over a two week period
- Commercial ads would properly identified, and have Followup set
  to Poster.
- Anonymous posting would be prohibited
- Crossposting to other newsgroups would be prohibited.
- Binary postings of any kind are prohibited.

Moderation Policy

The philosophy of moderation is to be light-handed and to offer
extra help behind the scenes for new participants, who may be
experiencing problems with e-mail addresses or net customs or the
like.

Upon their initial group submission, each user will be sent a copy
of the groups charter, and a mini FAQ containing pointers to
additional information.  Assistance will be offered privately, in
response to first time posts which, judging from past experience,
are likely to be objected to by at least some other participants
(e.g. personal attacks, questions fully covered in a FAQ file,
items which were intended to be personal e-mail; incomplete questions;
etc).

The Charter and mini FAQ will be posted to the group weekly.

Rejected posts would be available via FTP/WWW and pointers to that
location would be included in each newsgroup with its weekly charter
posting.

A three member moderation panel will be available for those who
feel their posts have been incorrectly rejected.  The moderation
panel would become involved ONLY in the case where the rejection
of a post is disputed.  Currently we have the following volunteers
for the initial panel

        - Mike Knight <[email protected]>
        - Mike Kunda <[email protected]>
        - Charles E. "Rick" Taylor, IV <[email protected]>

It is expected that the majority of the moderation duties can be
accomplished through auto-moderation.

END CHARTER.

GATEWAYED MAILING LISTS:

It is planned that the new rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated newsgroup
will be gated to a mailing list, similar to the way that the present
rec.video.satellite.dbs group is.

END GATEWAYED MAILING LISTS.

MODERATOR INFO: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated

Moderator: Scott Anguish <[email protected]>

END MODERATOR INFO.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this
phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed
newsgroups should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period
will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the
first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups),
after which a Call For Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote
taker.  Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and
"How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to
these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have
questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
rec.video.satellite.dbs
rec.video.satellite.misc

It should be noted that rec.video.satellite.dbs is currently
bidirectionally gatewayed to a mailing list.

Proponent: Scott Anguish <[email protected]>
Proponent: Mike Kunda <[email protected]>

From [email protected] Tue Nov 26 20:21:54 1996
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (David Bostwick)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.video.satellite.dbs,rec.video.satellite.misc
Subject: CFV: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated moderated
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Date: 27 Nov 1996 01:21:52 -0000
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                     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
          moderated group rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated

Newsgroups line:
rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated	Direct broadcast satellite discussion. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 Dec 1996.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about
the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Scott Anguish <[email protected]>
Votetaker: David Bostwick <[email protected]>

RATIONALE: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated

The group rec.video.satellite.dbs has been growing steadily with
growing popularity of Direct Broadcast Satellite.  Daily traffic
flow now often tops 100 postings making it difficult to
maintain technical discussions, and a burden on the users who
receive the group via the gated mailing list.

The existing rec.video.satellite.dbs group has become difficult to
navigate due to a high-incidence of intrusive commercial advertising,
the resulting flames, and anonymous, abusive posts and trolls.  By
augmenting the existing group with the proposed moderated group it
will be possible to again hold technical discussions.

The group has also been subject to a high incidence of commercial
advertising by satellite dealers, some posting as many as 3 or more
copies of their ads each day, forged 'testimonials' and anonymous
referrals.  It is this traffic, along with the arguments and abuse
that is generated by the response to these posts that has spurred
this reorganization.

The group would be moderated to ensure that the postings are kept
on charter, and would allow for discussion without harassment.

CHARTER: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated

The goal of this group is to allow discussion of DBS technology
and services without the current level of abuse and off charter noise
that the existing rec.video.satellite.dbs newsgroup is home to.

Advertising of products and promotions would be allowed on a limited
frequency basis, and with proper identification as advertising.
Making this group moderated would ensure that that the group will
be kept spam and abuse free.

- Commercial ads would be limited to a frequency of one post per
  company over a two week period
- Commercial ads would properly identified, and have Followup set
  to Poster.
- Anonymous posting would be prohibited
- Crossposting to other newsgroups would be prohibited.
- Binary postings of any kind are prohibited.

Moderation Policy

The philosophy of moderation is to be light-handed and to offer
extra help behind the scenes for new participants, who may be
experiencing problems with e-mail addresses or net customs or the
like.

Upon their initial group submission, each user will be sent a copy
of the groups charter, and a mini FAQ containing pointers to
additional information.  Assistance will be offered privately, in
response to first time posts which, judging from past experience,
are likely to be objected to by at least some other participants
(e.g. personal attacks, questions fully covered in a FAQ file,
items which were intended to be personal e-mail; incomplete questions;
etc).

The Charter and mini FAQ will be posted to the group weekly.

Rejected posts would be available via FTP/WWW and pointers to that
location would be included in each newsgroup with its weekly charter
posting.

A three member moderation panel will be available for those who
feel their posts have been incorrectly rejected.  The moderation
panel would become involved ONLY in the case where the rejection
of a post is disputed.  Currently we have the following volunteers
for the initial panel

        - Mike Knight <[email protected]>
        - Mike Kunda <[email protected]>
        - Charles E. "Rick" Taylor, IV <[email protected]>

It is expected that the majority of the moderation duties can be
accomplished through auto-moderation.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated

Moderator: [email protected] (Scott Anguish)
Administrative contact address: [email protected]
Article submission address: [email protected]

END MODERATOR INFO.

DISTRIBUTION:
This CFV has been posted to the following newsgroups:
  news.announce.newgroups
  news.groups
  rec.video.satellite.dbs
  rec.video.satellite.misc

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to this should work, but check the "To:" line.  Votes must be mailed
directly from the voter to the votetaker.  Distributing pre-marked or
otherwise edited ballots is considered vote fraud.

Only one vote is allowed per person or per account.  Votes will be
acknowleged by e-mail.  If you have not received an acknowledgement
within a few days, contact the votetaker.  It is your responsibility to be
certain your vote has been recorded correctly.  If you want to change your
vote, you may vote again, but only the latest vote will be counted.
Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final vote ack.

The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of
people who would read a proposed newsgroup.  Soliciting votes from
disinterested parties defeats this purpose.  Please do not distribute this
CFV.  If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted in
news.groups.  When in doubt, ask the votetaker.

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From [email protected] Mon Dec  9 10:10:33 1996
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (David Bostwick)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.video.satellite.dbs,rec.video.satellite.misc
Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated moderated
Supersedes: <[email protected]>
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Date: 9 Dec 1996 15:10:28 -0000
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Approved: [email protected]
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Archive-Name: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated
Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9441 news.groups:243004 rec.video.satellite.dbs:58825 rec.video.satellite.misc:8369

                      LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
          moderated group rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated

Newsgroups line:
rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated	Direct broadcast satellite discussion. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 Dec 1996.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about
the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Scott Anguish <[email protected]>
Votetaker: David Bostwick <[email protected]>

RATIONALE: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated

The group rec.video.satellite.dbs has been growing steadily with
growing popularity of Direct Broadcast Satellite.  Daily traffic
flow now often tops 100 postings making it difficult to
maintain technical discussions, and a burden on the users who
receive the group via the gated mailing list.

The existing rec.video.satellite.dbs group has become difficult to
navigate due to a high-incidence of intrusive commercial advertising,
the resulting flames, and anonymous, abusive posts and trolls.  By
augmenting the existing group with the proposed moderated group it
will be possible to again hold technical discussions.

The group has also been subject to a high incidence of commercial
advertising by satellite dealers, some posting as many as 3 or more
copies of their ads each day, forged 'testimonials' and anonymous
referrals.  It is this traffic, along with the arguments and abuse
that is generated by the response to these posts that has spurred
this reorganization.

The group would be moderated to ensure that the postings are kept
on charter, and would allow for discussion without harassment.

CHARTER: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated

The goal of this group is to allow discussion of DBS technology
and services without the current level of abuse and off charter noise
that the existing rec.video.satellite.dbs newsgroup is home to.

Advertising of products and promotions would be allowed on a limited
frequency basis, and with proper identification as advertising.
Making this group moderated would ensure that that the group will
be kept spam and abuse free.

- Commercial ads would be limited to a frequency of one post per
  company over a two week period
- Commercial ads would properly identified, and have Followup set
  to Poster.
- Anonymous posting would be prohibited
- Crossposting to other newsgroups would be prohibited.
- Binary postings of any kind are prohibited.

Moderation Policy

The philosophy of moderation is to be light-handed and to offer
extra help behind the scenes for new participants, who may be
experiencing problems with e-mail addresses or net customs or the
like.

Upon their initial group submission, each user will be sent a copy
of the groups charter, and a mini FAQ containing pointers to
additional information.  Assistance will be offered privately, in
response to first time posts which, judging from past experience,
are likely to be objected to by at least some other participants
(e.g. personal attacks, questions fully covered in a FAQ file,
items which were intended to be personal e-mail; incomplete questions;
etc).

The Charter and mini FAQ will be posted to the group weekly.

Rejected posts would be available via FTP/WWW and pointers to that
location would be included in each newsgroup with its weekly charter
posting.

A three member moderation panel will be available for those who
feel their posts have been incorrectly rejected.  The moderation
panel would become involved ONLY in the case where the rejection
of a post is disputed.  Currently we have the following volunteers
for the initial panel

        - Mike Knight <[email protected]>
        - Mike Kunda <[email protected]>
        - Charles E. "Rick" Taylor, IV <[email protected]>

It is expected that the majority of the moderation duties can be
accomplished through auto-moderation.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated

Moderator: [email protected] (Scott Anguish)
Administrative contact address: [email protected]
Article submission address: [email protected]

END MODERATOR INFO.

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rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated Bounce List - No need to revote
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[email protected]                                         Andrew Busa
[email protected]                                                Robert Eaton
[email protected]                                                  John Thiers
David Bostwick
School of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Georgia Institute of Technology
Atlanta, GA 30332-0400
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From [email protected] Fri Dec 20 10:15:20 1996
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From: [email protected] (David Bostwick)
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Subject: RESULT: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated moderated fails 114:28
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                                RESULT
    moderated group rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated fails 114:28

There were 114 YES votes and 28 NO votes, for a total of 142 valid votes.
There were 2 invalid ballots.

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rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated	Direct broadcast satellite discussion. (Moderated)

The voting period ended at 23:59:59 UTC, 18 Dec 1996.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about
the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Scott Anguish <[email protected]>
Votetaker: David Bostwick <[email protected]>

RATIONALE: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated

The group rec.video.satellite.dbs has been growing steadily with
growing popularity of Direct Broadcast Satellite.  Daily traffic
flow now often tops 100 postings making it difficult to
maintain technical discussions, and a burden on the users who
receive the group via the gated mailing list.

The existing rec.video.satellite.dbs group has become difficult to
navigate due to a high-incidence of intrusive commercial advertising,
the resulting flames, and anonymous, abusive posts and trolls.  By
augmenting the existing group with the proposed moderated group it
will be possible to again hold technical discussions.

The group has also been subject to a high incidence of commercial
advertising by satellite dealers, some posting as many as 3 or more
copies of their ads each day, forged 'testimonials' and anonymous
referrals.  It is this traffic, along with the arguments and abuse
that is generated by the response to these posts that has spurred
this reorganization.

The group would be moderated to ensure that the postings are kept
on charter, and would allow for discussion without harassment.

CHARTER: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated

The goal of this group is to allow discussion of DBS technology
and services without the current level of abuse and off charter noise
that the existing rec.video.satellite.dbs newsgroup is home to.

Advertising of products and promotions would be allowed on a limited
frequency basis, and with proper identification as advertising.
Making this group moderated would ensure that that the group will
be kept spam and abuse free.

- Commercial ads would be limited to a frequency of one post per
  company over a two week period
- Commercial ads would properly identified, and have Followup set
  to Poster.
- Anonymous posting would be prohibited
- Crossposting to other newsgroups would be prohibited.
- Binary postings of any kind are prohibited.

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accomplished through auto-moderation.

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rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated Final Vote Ack

Voted Yes
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[email protected]                                            Jeff Addis
[email protected]                                                Alan Aldredge
[email protected]                                         Andrew Busa
[email protected]                                         Stephanie da Silva
[email protected]                                          Adam Smith
[email protected]                                August Abolins
[email protected]                                     David E. Bath
[email protected]                                      Cedric Brent Kelly
[email protected]                                                Robert Eaton
[email protected]                                     Wayne C. Boncyk
[email protected]                                           B. Hennen
[email protected]                                      Bruce McPherran
[email protected]                                         Clifford B. Brown III
[email protected]                               Charles E. Taylor, IV
[email protected]                                             Douglas Chinault
[email protected]                                         Chuck Kohlenberg
[email protected]                                                     Curt Lindner
[email protected]                                             Charles Wells
[email protected]                                              Daniel Sabourin
[email protected]                                                    Danny Porter
[email protected]                                                     Don Root
[email protected]                                                          Don Currie
[email protected]                                              Doug Hockin
[email protected]                                                  Dave Smart
dylan@mailzone.com                                              Dylan Ginsburg
fmcguire@michiana.org                                         Patricia McGuire
foxxxy@qtm.net                                                   Roland W. Fox
garethj@ibm.net                                                   Gareth Jones
genie@panix.com                                               Andy Finkenstadt
grady@grady.mv.com                                                  Dick Grady
grooms@denali.cc.uky.edu                                          Jerry Grooms
guyw@lanart.com                                               Guy A. Wadsworth
halhed@luna.icons.net                                          Basil R. Halhed
hoffer+@pitt.edu                                           Michael W J Hordijk
holliste@brightok.net                                          Lance Hollister
jbl@levin.mv.com                                                 Joel B. Levin
jdg@rahul.net                                                  John David Galt
jkeene@his.com                                                      Jeff Keene
joe_brooks@hp.com                                                   Joe Brooks
joshua@purestuff.com                                          Joshua M. Burgin
jpbauer@internetwis.com                                        john paul bauer
jpc@drum.msfc.nasa.gov                                         J. Porter Clark
jshaffer@csrlink.net                                          Jim Shaffer, Jr.
julesd@fwb.gulf.net                                               Jules DUbois
kat@yensid.ICS.UCI.EDU                                        Kathryn Fielding
kdb@hpctl52.cup.hp.com                                           Kevin D. Ball
kimdv@netcom.com                                                  Kim DeVaughn
kimketo@sol.utu.fi                           Kimmo Ketolainen +358 40 555 5508
Kjcottrell@aol.com                                              Kenny Cottrell
krdrabik@mindspring.com                                           Keith Drabik
kunda@execpc.com                                                    Mike Kunda
lesparks@gs.net                                            Louis E. Sparks Jr.
lobster@huitzilo.tezcat.com                                        Orin A. Day
marsha4@ibm.net                                              Marshall Williams
martin@netins.net                                                 Perry Martin
mbn@teleport.com                                                  Mike Northam
mfeins@funb.com                                              Michael Feinstein
mfs@netins.net                                            Mark Frank Stevenson
mgray1@mail.state.mo.us                                              Mike Gray
mgun@micro.ti.com                                                Mike Guenther
mhwexler@CCGATE.HAC.COM                                           Mason Wexler
miknight@aol.com                                                   Mike Knight
milton.moskowitz@lerc.nasa.gov                                Milton Moskowitz
milton@arraytech.com                                         Milton Scritsmier
mjw@fast.net                                                     Michael Weber
mnassour@onr.com                                                  Mike Nassour
mrdave@earthlink.net                                         David P. Robinson
mtpins@isca.uiowa.edu                                             Michael Pins
musiclvr@accesscom.com                                             DUANE AMADO
mxm@proteon.com                                              Matthew L. Martin
naddy@mips.pfalz.de                                       Christian Weisgerber
nat@nataa.fr.eu.org                                            MAKAREVITCH Nat
nick@cimio.co.uk                                                 Nick Waterman
ohn@apollo.bv.net                                                  John Thiers
ollivier.robert@eurocontrol.fr                                 Ollivier Robert
oost@cyberg8t.com                                              William H. Oost
pdm@extensys.com                                                  P D McLellan
pregent@gsc.NRCan.gc.ca                                          Andre Pregent
PSchmidt@Viaduct.Custom.Net                                    Paul L. Schmidt
RAlexan459@aol.com                                            Robert Alexander
Randell.Jesup@scala.com                                          Randell Jesup
rick@bcm.tmc.edu                                                Richard Miller
rking401@sprynet.com                                              Richard King
rkirk1@umbc.edu                                                    Robert Kirk
roberts@nmia.com                                               Robert Smathers
Robert_Dunstan@ccm.jf.intel.com                              Robert A. Dunstan
roblaura@erinet.com                                               Jay Friedman
ronb@socketis.net                                              Ronald W. Bower
ronnie.grant@mogur.com                                            Ronnie Grant
rory@fast.net                                                       Rory Orkin
roumbanisd@am.dow.on.doe.ca                                      Dan Roumbanis
RReed32063@aol.com                                                Richard Reed
RREIN@cerner.com                                                   Rodney Rein
rs@ham.island.net                                                 Robert Smits
rxman@servtech.com                                                  John Abeel
Ryan_Tucker@netscape.ttgcitn.com                                   Ryan Tucker
sanguish@digifix.com                                             Scott Anguish
SCleverley@worldnet.att.net                                   Steve Cleverley
Sean@frii.com                                                     Sean Stuart
shepherb@ix.netcom.com                                      Robert L. Shepherd
sinnot2@ibm.net                                                   John Sinnott
slawson@nac.net                                                   Kath Slawson
stamper@stamper.com                                              Chris Stamper
suzda@execpc.com                                                  Thomas Suzda
tclaborn@umich.edu                                             Timothy Claborn
terry.signorella@octopus.pgh.wec.com                          terry signorella
thomas11@pacbell.net                                                 Tom Morse
tlawson@asu.edu                                                 Todd C. Lawson
tonys@wt.net                                                        Tony Storz
urban@fsl.noaa.gov                                                Arthur Urban
Valiant@reddog.modem.xmission.com                                    Val Marti
vanpool@mindspring.com                                        Garry C. VanPool
wolf@graywolf.tamu.edu                                          Dave Duchscher
zed@cjnetworks.com                                                 Ned Fleming

Voted No
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aq392@freenet.carleton.ca                                        Ross Anderson
augustus@sprintmail.com                                             Jay Breuer
booda@datasync.com                                             Martin H. Booda
btrosko@primenet.com                                              Brian Trosko
dreveskr@cherokee.nsuok.edu                               Charles Dreveskracht
homer@ridgecrest.ca.us                                              Scot Homer
Howard.Brandis@t130.aone.net.au                                 Howard Brandis
jhenders@honlab.nmfs.hawaii.edu                               John Henderson :
jimw9wu@ix.netcom.com                                            Jim O'Connell
jlowther@pwa.acusd.edu                                            John Lowther
jsi@idiom.com                                                    Michael Craft
lowke@erols.com                                                GEORGE E. LOWKE
lrk@pobox.com                                                Lance Kibblewhite
marquez@pacbell.net                                             Aaron Marquez
mcdonaldg@smtp.gc.ca                                          Gary K. McDonald
MrGigabyte@aol.com                                                   Jeff Bach
msoysal@mistik.express.net                                 Mustafa Soysal MS57
nick@inferno.fc.hp.com                                          Nick Ingegneri
olav@viking.mv.com                                             Olav Nieuwejaar
patl@lcs.mit.edu                                           Patrick J. LoPresti
rhd@wwa.com                                                Richard H. Derr III
shrao@nyx.net                                                      Shrisha Rao
slip@ix.netcom.com                                               Mike Johansen
southern@netcom.com                                             Shawn McCullar
stainles@bga.com                                                  Dwight Brown
sugarman@world.std.com                                           Steven Garman
swcxt@boco.co.gov                                                 Shane Castle
webmaster@keyone.com                                            Carol Scheible


Votes in error
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DruidHere@aol.com
   ! No ballot
root@indo.ece.wisc.edu                                               J Rufinus
   ! Invalid addressDavid Bostwick
School of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Georgia Institute of Technology
Atlanta, GA 30332-0400
Voice: (404) 894-4061  FAX: (404) 894-7452
david.bostwick@chemistry.gatech.edu
 
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