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From [email protected] Tue May 11 08:34:31 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Una Smith) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.math.stat,bit.listserv.edstat-l,bit.listserv.stat-l,bit.listserv.sas-l,bit.listserv.spssx-l,sci.math Subject: RFD: sci.stat hierarchy Followup-To: news.groups Date: 10 May 1993 11:33:33 -0400 Organization: Department of Biology, Yale University Lines: 63 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3558 news.groups:71731 sci.math.stat:6658 bit.listserv.edstat-l:1516 bit.listserv.stat-l:5300 bit.listserv.sas-l:15513 bit.listserv.spssx-l:2283 sci.math:43770  			REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION  CHANGES  	Change sci.math.stat		to sci.stat.misc 	Change bit.listserv.edstat-l	to sci.stat.edstat 	Change bit.listserv.stat-l	to sci.stat.stat 	Change bit.listserv.sas-l	to sci.stat.sas 	Change bit.listserv.spssx-l	to sci.stat.spssx  STATUS  	Unchanged  COMMENTS  This proposal is motivated by the now un-wieldy number of bit.listserv.* groups and the lack of organization within the bit.listserv hierarchy.  The bit.listserv groups are mailing lists that have gateways into Usenet:  these gateways would be moved to the new newsgroups.  This proposal does not directly affect the mailing lists in any way.  This proposal is made with the consent or at the request of the owners of the lists in question.   EDSTAT-L is for discussion of undergraduate-level statistics questions.  This is unique:  the group should not merge with any of the other groups. The list owner requests that the Usenet group name be without "-L".  STAT-L and sci.math.stat are similar, and there is routine cross-posting between the two.  But STAT-L has many e-mail subscribers who would not relish the additional traffic should the two groups be combined.  SAS-L is for discussion of usage and statistical applications of the SAS package.  These discussions have always tended to be of a very statistical  nature;  SAS-L does not fit well in the comp.* hierarchy.  SPSSX-L is specifically for discussion of usage and applications of the SPSSX statistical package.  It is much like the SAS-L group.  These lists have active, established memberships and collective identities,  so I propose not to change their names:  now is the time to discuss this. Moving these groups into the sci.* hierarchy would make them easier to locate by Usenet readers, and more widely distributed.  I suggest moving sci.math.stat as well because it doesn't really fit into the sci.math.* hierarchy and it would fit naturally with the other statistics groups in a sci.stat.* hierarchy.  A note to mailing list subscribers:  There is a formal process for Usenet newsgroup creation and modification. This proposal represents the first step in the process.  If there is general agreement, future steps would include a formal call for votes (CFV), to be submitted voluntarily by readers via e-mail to a designated address.  If at the end of the voting period there are 2/3 and at least 100 more Yes than No votes, then the Usenet powers-that-be will put the necessary changes into effect.  This proposal will not affect the configuration of the mailing lists, only the Usenet newsgroups to which they are gated. --         Una Smith      Biology Department       [email protected]                      Yale University                      New Haven, CT  06511  From [email protected] Thu Jun  3 17:13:30 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Una Smith) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.math.stat,bit.listserv.stat-l,bit.listserv.edstat-l,bit.listserv.sas-l,bit.listserv.spssx-l Subject: 2nd RFD: sci.stat.* hierarchy Followup-To: news.groups Date: 3 Jun 1993 12:22:29 -0400 Organization: Department of Biology, Yale University Lines: 35 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3654 news.groups:73309 sci.math.stat:6833 bit.listserv.stat-l:5473 bit.listserv.edstat-l:1626 bit.listserv.sas-l:15897 bit.listserv.spssx-l:2349  				REVISED 			Request for Discussion  Proposal  	change                  to                   (original RFD) 	-------------------------------------------------------------- 	sci.math.stat           sci.stat.math        (sci.stat.misc) 	bit.listserv.edstat-l   sci.stat.edu         (sci.stat.edstat) 	bit.listserv.stat-l     sci.stat.consult     (sci.stat.stat) 	bit.listserv.sas-l      comp.soft-sys.sas    (sci.stat.sas) 	bit.listserv.spssx-l    comp.soft-sys.spss   (sci.stat.spssx)  Status   	Unchanged  Comments  The original RFD of 10 May 1993 is hereby ammended.  Because these name changes were proposed informally within a week of the original RFD, and were well-received by the participants of all 5 groups, I will close the discussion period and post the call for votes (CFV) on 10 June 1993.  The CFV will give explicit instructions on how to vote.  The bit.listserv groups are mailing lists that have gateways into Usenet:  these gateways will be moved to the new newsgroups.  This proposal does not affect the configuration of the mailing lists, only the newsgroups to which they are gated. --         Una Smith      Department of Biology       [email protected]                      Yale University                      New Haven, CT  06511  From [email protected] Fri Jun 11 15:54:37 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Una Smith) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.math.stat,bit.listserv.edstat-l,bit.listserv.stat-l,bit.listserv.sas-l,bit.listserv.spssx-l,bit.admin Subject: CFV: sci.stat.* hierarchy Followup-To: poster Date: 11 Jun 1993 13:39:38 -0400 Organization: Department of Biology, Yale University Lines: 77 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Summary: Reorganize statistics and related software groups Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3686 news.groups:73765 sci.math.stat:6932 bit.listserv.edstat-l:1649 bit.listserv.stat-l:5575 bit.listserv.sas-l:16013 bit.listserv.spssx-l:2375 bit.admin:613  			CALL FOR VOTES  		This CFV involves 5 separate votes  PROPOSAL  	change			to  	sci.math.stat		sci.stat.math 	bit.listserv.edstat-l	sci.stat.edu 	bit.listserv.stat-l	sci.stat.consult 	bit.listserv.sas-l	comp.soft-sys.sas 	bit.listserv.spssx-l	comp.soft-sys.spss  BACKGROUND  	The sci.math.stat newsgroup is a forum for discussion of 	mathematical statistics.  The other 4 groups are mailing 	lists for discussion of statistics, with varying emphasis; 	they are all mature and popular mailing lists with high 	volumes of traffic, which has driven them to establish 	two-way gates to Usenet.  This CFV is offered to reorganize 	these groups in order to enhance distribution and readership.  HOW TO VOTE  Please vote for each proposed change separately, using the formula:  	I vote X on sci.stat.math  	I vote X on sci.stat.edu  	I vote X on sci.stat.consult  	I vote X on comp.soft-sys.sas  	I vote X on comp.soft-sys.spss   Where "X" is "yes" or "no".  You can put them all in a single e-mail message.  Send your votes to [email protected] (the original sender of this CFV).  Please use the Subject "CFV: sci.stat.* hierarchy".   Votes will be accepted until 12:00 noon US Eastern Std. Time on 10 July.  VOTING RULES  You must use the format specified above because your vote will be tallied using a computer program.  You must vote via e-mail to  [email protected]:  votes sent via the mailing list/newsgroup will *not* be counted.  Only correctly formatted votes received before 12:00 noon US EDT on 10 July will be accepted.  You may vote only once, no matter how many computer accounts you have.  Forwarded or proxy ballots are not allowed.  If you do vote more than once, only the last vote received will be counted.  This allows you the luxury of changing your mind.  You may vote only on the proposal as stated.  Please do not distribute this CFV.  If you wish to draw attention to the vote, you may inform others that there is a vote underway, and where you saw this CFV.  This CFV will be re-posted during the voting period, to give latecomers a chance to vote.  For a Usenet proposal to pass, there must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes and at least 2/3 of all votes must be YES.  You may abstain simply by deleting the appropriate line(s), or by not voting at all.  Receipt of all votes will be acknowledged periodically.  Once the voting period ends, the votes will be tallied and the results posted in news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, and the 4 bit.listserv.* groups in question.  The results will include a list of all voters and how they voted, so that each voter can verify that his or her vote was counted properly.  Please vote! --         Una Smith      Department of Biology       [email protected]                      Yale University                      New Haven, CT  06511  From [email protected] Fri Jul  2 13:26:30 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Una Smith) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.math.stat,bit.listserv.edstat-l,bit.listserv.stat-l,bit.listserv.sas-l,bit.listserv.spssx-l,bit.admin Subject: 2nd CFV: sci.stat.* hierarchy Followup-To: poster Date: 2 Jul 1993 11:13:51 -0400 Organization: Department of Biology, Yale University Lines: 75 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3756 news.groups:75485 sci.math.stat:7163 bit.listserv.edstat-l:1698 bit.listserv.stat-l:5836 bit.listserv.sas-l:16312 bit.listserv.spssx-l:2439 bit.admin:619  			2nd CALL FOR VOTES  PROPOSAL  	change			to  	sci.math.stat		sci.stat.math 	bit.listserv.edstat-l	sci.stat.edu 	bit.listserv.stat-l	sci.stat.consult 	bit.listserv.sas-l	comp.soft-sys.sas 	bit.listserv.spssx-l	comp.soft-sys.spss  BACKGROUND  	The sci.math.stat newsgroup is a forum for discussion of 	mathematical statistics.  The other 4 groups are mailing 	lists for discussion of statistics, with varying emphasis; 	they are all mature and popular mailing lists with high 	volumes of traffic, which has driven them to establish 	two-way gates to Usenet.  This CFV is offered to reorganize 	these groups in order to enhance distribution and readership.  HOW TO VOTE  Please vote for each proposed change separately, using the formula:  	I vote X on sci.stat.math  	I vote X on sci.stat.edu  	I vote X on sci.stat.consult  	I vote X on comp.soft-sys.sas  	I vote X on comp.soft-sys.spss   Where "X" is "yes" or "no".  You can put them all in a single e-mail message.  Send your votes to [email protected] (the original sender of this CFV).  Please use the Subject "CFV: sci.stat.* hierarchy".   Votes will be accepted until 12:00 noon US Eastern Std. Time on 10 July.  VOTING RULES  You must use the format specified above because your vote will be tallied using a computer program.  You must vote via e-mail to  [email protected]:  votes sent via the mailing list/newsgroup will *not* be counted.  Only correctly formatted votes received before 12:00 noon US EDT on 10 July will be accepted.  You may vote only once, no matter how many computer accounts you have.  Forwarded or proxy ballots are not allowed.  If you do vote more than once, only the last vote received will be counted.  This allows you the luxury of changing your mind.  You may vote only on the proposal as stated.  Please do not distribute this CFV.  If you wish to draw attention to the vote, you may inform others that there is a vote underway, and where you saw this CFV.  This CFV will be re-posted during the voting period, to give latecomers a chance to vote.  For a Usenet proposal to pass, there must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes and at least 2/3 of all votes must be YES.  You may abstain simply by deleting the appropriate line(s), or by not voting at all.  Receipt of all votes will be acknowledged periodically.  Once the voting period ends, the votes will be tallied and the results posted in news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, and the 4 bit.listserv.* groups in question.  The results will include a list of all voters and how they voted, so that each voter can verify that his or her vote was counted properly.  Please vote! --         Una Smith      Department of Biology       [email protected]                      Yale University                      New Haven, CT  06511  From [email protected] Tue Jul 13 09:25:28 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Una Smith) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.math.stat,bit.listserv.edstat-l,bit.listserv.stat-l,bit.listserv.sas-l,bit.listserv.spssx-l,bit.admin Subject: RESULT: sci.stat.* groups all pass Followup-To: news.groups Date: 12 Jul 1993 20:34:11 -0400 Organization: Department of Biology, Yale University Lines: 239 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3789 news.groups:76094 sci.math.stat:7252 bit.listserv.edstat-l:1720 bit.listserv.stat-l:5895 bit.listserv.sas-l:16434 bit.listserv.spssx-l:2469 bit.admin:633  sci.stat.* hierarchy results - 179 votes 	  Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------  139   23 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : sci.stat.math  143   23 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : sci.stat.consult  142   21 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : sci.stat.edu  140   21 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : comp.soft-sys.sas  131   22 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : comp.soft-sys.spss   After a brief waiting period, and assuming no difficulties arise, the following newsgroup changes will take place, and the associated mailing list gateways will be switched to reflect these changes:   	the newsgroup		will become  	sci.math.stat		sci.stat.math 	bit.listserv.edstat-l	sci.stat.edu 	bit.listserv.stat-l	sci.stat.consult 	bit.listserv.sas-l	comp.soft-sys.sas 	bit.listserv.spssx-l	comp.soft-sys.spss   A brief HISTORY of this newsgroup reorganization:  After thorough canvassing of all 5 newsgroups involved, and discussion with the owners of the associated mailing lists, an RFD was posted on 10 May, and a revised RFD, modifying several proposed newsgroup names, was posted on 3 June.  The 1st and 2nd CFV's were posted on 10 June and 2 July.  All improperly formatted votes were returned to the sender with instructions on how to format and re-submit the vote.  All votes were acknowledged individually via e-mail, with the exception of two votes  for which return addresses were invalid and impossible to decipher.  All duplicate votes that could be identified were removed before counting the votes, and all votes have been retained.  Voting ended at 12:00 noon EST on 10 July.  (One vote was received soon after the deadline, but was included, as it does not affect any outcome.)  Below is a list of all voters, sorted by username, showing how each one voted, so that each voter can verify that his or her vote was counted.   If you voted, please inspect this list to verify your vote.  Many thanks to everyone who participated throughout this process, and to Ron Dippold, author of the very useful UseVote software package.                                                    comp.soft-sys.spss -------+                                                   comp.soft-sys.sas ------+|                                                        sci.stat.edu -----+||                                                    sci.stat.consult ----+|||                                                       sci.stat.math ---+||||                                                                        ||||| [email protected]                               Adrian RAFTERY p73343 N---- [email protected]                                         YYYYY [email protected]              Jesus Eugenio S nchez Pe~a YYYYY [email protected]                            Andras Salamon YYYYY ANDREJ BLEJEC / IN{TITUT ZA BIOLOGIJO / TEL: 211-744 / FAX: 211-735"   YYYYY [email protected]                             Andrew Robinson YYYYY [email protected]                                    Tim Arnold YYYYY [email protected]                                 Audun S Runde YYYYY [email protected]                                               NNN-- [email protected]                           Barrett P. Eynon YYYYY [email protected]                                 Bruce Umbaugh YYYYY [email protected]                                          J. Kintscher YYYYY [email protected]                                           YYYYY [email protected]                                    Jeremy Billones YYYYY [email protected]                                Bret J. Musser YYYYY [email protected]                                     Bob Parks YYYYY BRIANW%[email protected]                  Brian Wiersema YYYYY [email protected]                                 David L. Brynell NNNNN CAFT1::MRGATE::\"A1::DON\""@caft1.rutgers.edu                          YYYYY [email protected]                           Ed Callen YYYYY [email protected]                                  Charles C. Berry NYYYY [email protected]                             Charles Geyer NNNNN [email protected]                                     Christa Keil YYYYY [email protected]                             YYYYY [email protected]                         Ernest A. Cline NNN-- [email protected]                                              YYYYY [email protected]                               Richard L. Cook YYYYY [email protected]                              Craig J. Willits YYYYY [email protected]                                                       YYYYY [email protected]                                      David Stretch YYYYY [email protected]                               David Yeates YYYYY [email protected]                                       Jackie Dietz YYYYY DIXONW%[email protected]                   Bill Dixon YYYYY [email protected]                                     Dave Joyce NNNYY [email protected]                        Darius A. Lecointe YYYYY [email protected]                       David Matthews, U Maryland YYYYY [email protected]                              Dennis J. Murphy YYYYN [email protected]                                     David T. Morse -YY-Y [email protected]                                  Eric Duku YYYYY D_BURRILL%[email protected]              Don Burrill YYY-- [email protected]                                                YYYYY [email protected]       Edward R. Kemery, University of Baltimore -YY-- [email protected]                                  Ellen Brewer YYYYY [email protected]                                D I Sales YYYYY [email protected]                                   Edwin Wiles YYYYY [email protected]                                Bob Brookshire YYYYY [email protected]                              Mike from the FAF YYYYY [email protected]    James E. Ferguson CSC Sydney, Australi NYYYY [email protected]                 DEBRA FORMAN 215-597-3175 -Y--- [email protected]                                          Charles Fort YYYY- [email protected]                               Frank Milthorpe ----Y [email protected]                                Hardcore Alaskan YYYYY GARYLAUT%[email protected]                     Gary L...r -YY-- GEOFF SELIG - CONCORDIA U. COMPUTING SERVICES"                         YYYYY [email protected]                                                     ---Y- [email protected]                              Grant Blank YYYYY [email protected]                                         Geoffrey Spear YNYNN [email protected]                        Brennan Tennesen Price YNNYY [email protected]                              Greg Bennett YYYYY [email protected]                          Thomas Hagadorn (AMSAA/LRAD) YYYNN [email protected]                                                   YYYYY HAKOMAKI%[email protected]                             YYYYY [email protected]                                 Edward J. Huff YYYYY [email protected]                                       Hue-Chung Chou YYYYY [email protected]                                   Mark Irwin YYYYY [email protected]                                         Ivo Welch YYYYY [email protected]                                               YYYYY [email protected]                                    John Dixon NNNNN [email protected]                                 Jeffrey D. Angus NNNNN [email protected]                                              Jay Goodman YYYYY [email protected]                                John Fitzgerald YYYYY [email protected]                                   Joel Furr YNNYY [email protected]                                          Jim McIntosh YYYYY [email protected]                         Jim Mitchell YYYNN [email protected]                          Skip Sizemore YYYYY [email protected]                                   Joe St Sauver YYYYY [email protected]                                Joseph Clements -YYYY [email protected]                                John Lindeyer YY-Y- [email protected]                                            John Kroeze YYYYY [email protected]                                  J A Stephen Viggiano NNNYY [email protected]                                            John Tucker YYYYY [email protected]                               Julian Faraway YYYYY [email protected]                              Mr. N.W.A. Marsh NNNNN [email protected]                                  Arnie Cowan ---Y- [email protected]                                        Gordon Crawford YYYYY [email protected]                                     Carl M Kadie YYYYY [email protected]             NAME = \"Kamal Desai - Clark Univ.\" NNNNN [email protected]                                             Paul Kent YYYYY [email protected]                                Kirk W Goodwin YYYYY [email protected]                                 Kevin F. Miller YYYYY [email protected]       Kevin Nechodom (Irrational HP Addict) ---Y- [email protected]                                               N---- [email protected]                    Kurt Jaeger aka PI NNNYY [email protected]                                                YYYYY [email protected]                                        Peter Lane YYYYY [email protected]                                         Fred Leban Y-YYY [email protected]                                                        ---YY [email protected]                                        Don MacQueen YYYYY [email protected]                                                      YYYNN [email protected]                      William S. Marshall IV YYYNN [email protected]                      Martin Kulldorff YYYNN [email protected]                       Maurer, Scott G. YYYYY [email protected]                           Gary McClelland YYYYY [email protected]                                Maurizio Codogno NYY-- [email protected]                                               M.F.Fuller YYYYY [email protected]                            Michael M. Granaas YYYYY [email protected]                              Loren J. Miller YYYYY [email protected]                                                          YYYYY [email protected]                                            YYYYY [email protected]                                      YYYYY [email protected]                             Stephen Cristol YYYYY [email protected]                                       Richard Nemec YYYYY [email protected]                                    Neil W. Henry YYYYY [email protected]                                 Steven N Jones YYYYY [email protected]              Mitch Nussbaum phone: 266-8831 ---Y- [email protected]                           VAX RESEARCH SUPPORT YYYYY [email protected]                            Bruce Orchard YYYYY [email protected]                                  PETER HOLMES --Y-- [email protected]                                     Peter Craig YYYYY [email protected]                                         YY--- [email protected]                                            Paul Kentish YYYYY [email protected]                                        ps26 YYYYY [email protected]                                              YNYNN [email protected]                               Peter Wright YYYYY [email protected]                            ccsrar YYYYY R1PELZ%[email protected]                Wolfgang Pelz -Y--- [email protected]                                    Radford Neal YYYYY [email protected]                          Rodney A Sparapani YY-Y- [email protected]                                Richard Batt YYYNN [email protected]                           Ronald Crosier YYY-- [email protected]                                       Robert D. Canning YYYYY [email protected]                                           Dick Snell YYYYY [email protected]                           Richard Raubertas YYYYY [email protected]                         Richard H. Miller NNNNN [email protected]                                   Ron Pruitt NNNYY [email protected]                                            David J. Rose YYYYY [email protected]                          Roy St. Laurent YYY-- [email protected]                                     Dr. Tom Pierce ---Y- [email protected]                                              Roger S Bivand YYYYY [email protected]                                           Risto Virtanen YYYYY [email protected]                                 Thomas E. Sabin YYYNN [email protected]                                                    YYYYY schild%[email protected]                           Mark Schildhauer YYYYY [email protected]    J. Schimmler, RZ Uni Kiel, Tel. 0431  Y--YY [email protected]                                               YYYYY [email protected]                                  Eric Scouten YYYYY [email protected]                                  S. Cowles YYYYY [email protected]                      NNN-- [email protected]                                    Sean MARRETT -NNNN [email protected]                                            Shane Hartman NNNNN [email protected]                              timothy shimeall YYYYY [email protected]                             Simon Jackman YYYYY [email protected]                                                      YYYYY [email protected]                                  Marc Moorcroft NNNNN smith-una                                                    Una Smith YYYYY [email protected]                                  S.R. Waterhouse YYYYY [email protected]                                           YYYYY [email protected]                                   Joseph SAINT PIERRE YYYYY [email protected]                                  Stu Labovitz YNYNN T80SMS1%[email protected]                                 YYYYY [email protected]                                            Ted Blew ---Y- [email protected]                                       Torben Knudsen YYYYY [email protected]                             Thomas B. Horton x735-8637 YYYYY [email protected]                             Arpad-Vincent Toth YYYNN [email protected]                                    Todd Strauss YYYYY velasco%[email protected]                             Steve Velasco YYYYY [email protected]                         Bandeira de Mello -YYY- [email protected]                                    Tony Vignaux YYYYY [email protected]                                           Walter Herdes YYYYY [email protected]                                                      YYYYY [email protected]                         William F. Szewczyk NNNYY [email protected]                                       YYYYY [email protected]                                           Peter Wollan YYY-- [email protected]                                   Burrton Woodruff YYYYY [email protected]                                    Rich Ulrich YYYYY [email protected]                              BILL SIMPSON NYNYY [email protected]                           Bill Venables YYYYY [email protected]                               YONEDA Kiyoshi YYYYY [email protected]                                   wasserstein ron YYYYY --         Una Smith      Department of Biology       [email protected]                      Yale University                      New Haven, CT  06511  
 
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