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Life extension ( sci.life-extension )

From [email protected] Thu Jan 28 23:48:53 1993 Xref: newshost.uwo.ca news.announce.newgroups:2917 news.groups:60472 sci.med:47724 sci.med.nutrition:2080 sci.bio:9706 sci.cryonics:764 sci.nanotech:1730 alt.psychoactives:2000 rec.arts.sf.science:4891 bionet.molbio.ageing:368 Path: newshost.uwo.ca!torn!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Brian Manning Delaney) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.med,sci.med.nutrition,sci.bio,sci.cryonics,sci.nanotech,alt.psychoactives,rec.arts.sf.science,bionet.molbio.ageing Subject: RFD: sci.bio.life-extension Followup-To: news.groups Date: 28 Jan 1993 23:48:53 -0500 Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 38 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net  This is a formal Request for Discussion regarding the establishment of an unmoderated sci.bio.life-extension newsgroup.  <> Purpose of the Newsgroup.  The newsgroup would be primarily for the discussion of techniques of slowing, stopping, and reversing the aging process, from a practical as well as theoretical standpoint. This includes, as life-extensionists say, "adding life to years as well as years to life;" i.e., we'll discuss not just techniques of "extending" what in some cases might be a state of already senescent decrepitude, but also ways of restoring and maintaining youth. In addition, the social consequences of increased human lifespan may be discussed. (The name of the group implies no stance on the merits of the book, "Life Extension," by Pearson and Shaw.)  <> Rationale.  This topic has received increasing attention in recent years as research gerontologists have begun to understand the biological mechanisms of aging. As interest in this topic has grown, so has discussion on the Net. The discussion has been scattered across a variety of newsgroups, including bionet.molbio.aging, sci.cryonics, sci.med.nutrition, and alt.psychoactives. None of these newsgroups is appropriate to a broad discussion of life-extension. The "bionet" groups are theoretical only, and most sites don't carry them. Sci.cryonics specializes in only one technique of life extension. Sci.med.nutrition and alt.psychoactives allow only the limited discussion of life-extension that falls within the spheres of nutrition and psychoactive drugs, respectively, and the emphasis of each is not on life-extension *per se*. A new group would consolidate the discussion, and would provide a more appropriate forum for the more general issues related to longevity, which do not fall under the purview of any current newsgroup.  <> Note  All discussion should be posted to news.groups.  From [email protected] Thu Feb 18 23:12:47 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Brian Manning Delaney <[email protected]> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.med,sci.med.nutrition,sci.bio,sci.cryonics,sci.nanotech,alt.psychoactives,rec.arts.sf.science,bionet.molbio.ageing Subject: 2nd RFD: sci.life-extension Followup-To: news.groups Date: 15 Feb 1993 20:10:33 -0500 Organization: uchicago.edu Lines: 50 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3252 news.groups:66743 sci.med:53471 sci.med.nutrition:2230 sci.bio:11025 sci.cryonics:786 sci.nanotech:2151 alt.psychoactives:2243 rec.arts.sf.science:5116 bionet.molbio.ageing:400    This is a formal Request for Discussion regarding the establishment of an unmoderated sci.life-extension newsgroup. My original proposal for this group was edited by news administrators. They changed the name to sci.bio.life-extension, which seemed not to make sense to many people, so now I am proposing the group again under the original name. (The Rationale section has been revised.)  <> Purpose of the Newsgroup.    The newsgroup would be primarily for the discussion of techniques of slowing, stopping, and reversing the aging process, from a practical as well as theoretical standpoint. This includes, as life-extensionists say, "adding life to years as well as years to life;" i.e., we'll discuss not just techniques of "extending" what in some cases might be a state of already senescent decrepitude, but also ways of restoring and maintaining youth. (The name of the group implies no stance on the merits of the book, "Life Extension," by Pearson and Shaw.)  <> Rationale.    This topic has received increasing attention in recent years as research gerontologists have begun to understand the mechanisms of aging. As interest in this topic has grown, so has discussion on the Net. The discussion has been scattered across a variety of newsgroups, including bionet.molbio.aging, sci.cryonics, sci.med.nutrition, and alt.psychoactives. None of these newsgroups is appropriate to a broad discussion of life-extension:   The "bionet" groups are not carried by many sites. In addition, they are designed as a medium of exchange for professional researchers, whose professional needs should be respected by other (mostly amateur) scientists. Moreover, the proposed group would be a forum for the discussion of life-extension from a variety of scientific perspectives -- some falling within the sphere of molecular biology, some within other areas of biology, and some not in biology at all (but rather in psychology, cryonics, etc.).   Sci.cryonics specializes in only one technique of life extension. Sci.med.nutrition and alt.psychoactives allow only the limited discussion of life-extension that falls within the spheres of nutrition and psychoactive drugs, respectively, and the emphasis of each is not on life-extension *per se*. A new group would consolidate the discussion, and would provide a more appropriate forum for the more general issues related to longevity, which do not fall under the purview of any current newsgroup.  <> Note  All discussion should be posted to news.groups.  -Brian <[email protected]>  From [email protected] Mon Mar 29 20:37:34 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (brian manning delaney) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.med,sci.med.nutrition,sci.bio,bionet.molbio.ageing,sci.cryonics,sci.nanotech,alt.psychoactives,alt.cyberpunk Subject: CFV: sci.life-extension Followup-To: poster Date: 26 Mar 1993 11:03:07 -0500 Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 82 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3375 news.groups:68533 sci.med:56141 sci.med.nutrition:2768 sci.bio:11590 bionet.molbio.ageing:413 sci.cryonics:926 sci.nanotech:2273 alt.psychoactives:2412 alt.cyberpunk:17430  This is a CALL FOR VOTES for the proposed unmoderated Usenet News group:                  Sci.life-extension   After a lengthy discussion period in which all responses to the idea of a group dealing with life extension were positive, here's the official Call for Votes to create the group, sci.life-extension.  <> Charter    The newsgroup would be primarily for the discussion of techniques of slowing, stopping, and reversing the aging process, from a practical as well as theoretical standpoint. This includes, as life-extensionists say, "adding life to years as well as years to life;" i.e., we'll discuss not just techniques of "extending" what in some cases might be a state of already senescent decrepitude, but also ways of restoring and maintaining youth. (The name of the group implies no stance on the merits of the book, "Life Extension," by Pearson and Shaw.)    This topic has received increasing attention in recent years as research gerontologists have begun to understand the mechanisms of aging. As interest in this topic has grown, so has discussion on the Net. The discussion has been scattered across a variety of newsgroups, including bionet.molbio.aging, sci.cryonics, sci.med.nutrition, and alt.psychoactives. None of these newsgroups is appropriate to a broad discussion of life-extension:   The "bionet" groups are not carried by many sites. In addition, they are designed as a medium of exchange for professional researchers, whose professional needs should be respected by other (mostly amateur) scientists. Moreover, the (intentionally) broad nature of the charter is designed to create a forum for the discussion of life-extension >from a variety of scientific perspectives -- some falling within the sphere of molecular biology, some within other areas of biology, and some not in biology at all (but rather in psychology, cryonics, etc.).   Sci.cryonics specializes in only one technique of life extension. Sci.med.nutrition and alt.psychoactives allow only the limited discussion of life-extension that falls within the spheres of nutrition and psychoactive drugs, respectively, and the emphasis of each is not on life-extension *per se*. A new group would consolidate the discussion, and would provide a more appropriate forum for the more general issues related to longevity, which do not fall under the purview of any current newsgroup.  <> Voting period.  The voting period begins as soon as this CFV is posted, and lasts until April 17th. Votes received after midnight on 4/17 won't be counted.  <> How to Vote  To vote, mail to [email protected]  To vote YES, put "YES sci.life-extension" in the subject header.  To vote NO, put "NO sci.life-extension" in the subject header.  If you use rn, trn, or something similar you can hit 'r' at the end of this article and edit the "Subject:" header appropriately. (Don't worry if in my address "midway" is replaced with something else when you hit 'r'; it will still get to me.)  Other unambiguous mailings will also count, but it will be less work for me if you follow the above instructions.  Ideally, your emailed vote would look like one of the following:       Subject: YES sci.life-extension      Subject: NO  sci.life-extension   There will be two mass acknowledgements posted during the voting period; one will be posted around 3/31, and the other around 4/10. The final vote tally will be posted at the end of the vote. This final tally will indicate how everyone voted so that people can correct their votes if mistakes are found.  If anyone votes more than once only the most recent vote will count.  -Brian Delaney.  From [email protected] Tue Apr 20 14:46:55 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (brian manning delaney) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.med,sci.med.nutrition,sci.bio,bionet.molbio.ageing,sci.cryonics,sci.nanotech,alt.psychoactives,alt.cyberpunk Subject: RESULT: sci.life-extension passes 237:28 Followup-To: news.groups Date: 20 Apr 1993 09:55:12 -0400 Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 284 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3487 news.groups:70207 sci.med:57613 sci.med.nutrition:3055 sci.bio:11880 bionet.molbio.ageing:418 sci.cryonics:1008 sci.nanotech:2356 alt.psychoactives:2556 alt.cyberpunk:17992  The vote to create the proposed group, Sci.life-extension, was affirmative.  Yes votes:    237. No votes:      28.  What follows is a list of the people who voted, by vote ("no" or "yes").  Here are the people who voted NO:  [email protected]               (Ed Bailey) [email protected]          (Edwin Barkdoll) [email protected]                                (Mark Brader) [email protected]                     (Dave Carr) [email protected]                        (David desJardins) [email protected]                       (James B. Hutchins) [email protected]                  (Rich Kulawiec) [email protected]                  (Stu Labovitz) [email protected]                            (Stephen Lau) [email protected]                   (Philippe Lebrun) [email protected]                    (Jay Maynard) [email protected]                 (Ed McGuire) [email protected]              (Richard H. Miller) [email protected]                    (Marc Moorcroft) [email protected]                     (David Mosher) [email protected]                    (Eric J. Olson) [email protected]                   (Herbert M Petro) [email protected]                        (Una Smith) [email protected]                          (Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS) [email protected]                     (Matthias Urlichs) [email protected]                         (a Francis Uy) [email protected]                   (John Werner) [email protected]                           (Potter Wickware) [email protected]                   (Gregory G. Woodbury) [email protected]                      (D. Wright) [email protected]                 (Norman Yarvin) [email protected] [email protected]  Here are the people who voted YES:  [email protected]                    (Hardcore Alaskan) [email protected]                      (Ken Alexander) [email protected]                  (Alex Aumann) [email protected]               (Franklin Balluff) [email protected]                           (Mr. Steven Barash) [email protected]               (Alan Barksdale (build)) [email protected]                    (John H. Barlow) [email protected]                       (Paul Barto) [email protected]                     (Ryan Bayne) [email protected]               (Mignon Belongie) [email protected]                    (william Beaudot) [email protected]                         (Olav Benum) [email protected]                   (Ross Beresford) [email protected]                       (Ben Best) [email protected]                        (Levi Bitansky) [email protected]                   (James Blomgren) [email protected]                      (Gregory Bloom) [email protected]                        (Mark Brader) [email protected]             (Eli Brandt) [email protected]                  (Joseph Brenner) [email protected]                       (Robert Cardwell) [email protected]               (Jeffrey CHANCE) [email protected]                          (Alexander Chislenko) [email protected]                      (Maynard S Clark) [email protected]                ("A.J. 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