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From [email protected] Wed Sep 25 07:28:00 1996
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Dr. Martin P. Jones)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.polymers,sci.materials,sci.engr.semiconductors,sci.materials.ceramics,sci.engr.civil,sci.engr.mech,sci.engr.metallurgy,sci.engr.manufacturing
Subject: RFD: sci.engr.joining.misc and sci.engr.joining.welding
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Date: 25 Sep 1996 11:27:57 -0000
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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
               unmoderated group sci.engr.joining.misc
              unmoderated group sci.engr.joining.welding

Newsgroup lines:
sci.engr.joining.misc	Joining of materials for manufacture and repair.
sci.engr.joining.welding	Welding of materials for manufacture & repair.

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of
world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroups sci.engr.joining.welding and
sci.engr.joining.misc.  This is not a call for votes (CFV); you can
not vote at this time.  Procedural details are below.

RATIONALE: sci.engr.joining.misc

Materials joining plays an integral role in the fabrication,
manufacturing, and repair of virtually all structures and devices.
These operations are a significant source of added value and have a
major impact on reliability and performance.  The technologies
associated with successful joining of materials span a wide range of
engineering and scientific disciplines.  Advances in materials,
design, manufacturing and industrial engineering, process control and
automation all interact to increase the complexity of each joining
application.  A newsgroup dedicated to discussion of joining-related
issues will greatly facilitate communication between scientists,
engineers, and manufacturers with common challenges.  It would also
provide a platform for cross-disciplinary exchange on joining-related
issues.  The newsgroup, sci.engr.joining.misc, is proposed, not as a
catchall group, but as a rational starting point for joining related
groups under the sci.engr.joining hierarchy.

RATIONALE: sci.engr.joining.welding

Welding is one of the most common joining processes utilized in
manufacturing and fabrication today.  The International Institute of
Welding/Institut de Soudure currently identifies over 140 separate
welding processes and allied technologies, ranging from arc welding
for thick section steel fabrication to the wire bonding processes used
in electronics manufacture.  These operations are a significant source
of added value and have a major impact on system reliability and
performance.  The technologies associated with successful welding span
a wide range of engineering and scientific disciplines.  Advances in
materials, design, manufacturing and industrial engineering, process
control and automation all interact to increase the complexity of each
joining application.  A recent Deja News search revealed over 4,000
posts on welding-related topics across USENET.  This indicates more
than sufficient interest to create a welding newsgroup.  A newsgroup
dedicated to discussion of welding topics will greatly facilitate
communication between scientists, engineers, and manufacturers with
common challenges.

It would also provide a platform for cross-disciplinary exchange on
welding-related issues.  The newsgroup sci.engr.joining.welding is
proposed for the exchange of scientific information and technical
discussion of welding issues.

CHARTER: sci.engr.joining.misc

A newsgroup dedicated to the exchange of scientific information and
discussion of technical issues relating to the general joining of
materials for manufacture and repair.  Anyone interested will be
welcome to participate in discussions about, but not limited to:

1.  Joining methods: mechanical fasteners, adhesive, thermal spraying.

2.  Other disciplines impacted by joining: nondestructive testing,
quality control, mechanical testing, materials engineering, structural
design.

3.  Professional society activities related to joining: Adhesion
Society of Japan, American Welding Society, Croatian Welding Society,
Japan Welding Society, International Institute of Welding, ASM
International, ASME International, American Society for Testing and
Materials, American Society for Nondestructive Testing.

4.  Employment opportunities within the joining technology field.

5.  Educational resources and events.

6.  Upcoming conferences related to joining.

Advertisement is not permitted on this newsgroup.

If advertisement does occur, it is recommended that any message in
response to it be made directly to the author and not posted to the
newsgroup.

Binaries are not permitted on this newsgroup.

Note: This newsgroup will have a gateway to a dedicated mailing list
so that people who do not have access to Usenet newsgroups will be
able to read and post messages to the newsgroup via e-mail.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: sci.engr.joining.welding

A newsgroup dedicated to the exchange of scientific information and
discussion of technical issues relating to the joining of materials by
welding for manufacture and repair.  Anyone interested will be welcome
to participate in discussions about, but not limited to:

1.  Welding methods: resistance welding, arc welding, brazing, oxyfuel
gas welding, soldering, solid state welding.

2.  Other disciplines impacted by welding: nondestructive testing,
quality control, mechanical testing, materials engineering, structural
design.

3.  Professional society activities related to welding: American
Welding Society, Croatian Welding Society, Japan Welding Society,
American Society for Testing and Materials, American Society for
Nondestructive Testing, International Institute of Welding, ASM
International, ASME International.

4.  Employment opportunities within the welding technology field.

5.  Educational resources and events.

6.  Upcoming conferences related to welding.

Advertisement is not permitted on this newsgroup.

If advertisement does occur, it is recommended that any message in
response to it be made directly to the author and not posted to the
newsgroup.

Binaries are not permitted on this newsgroup.

Note: This newsgroup will have a gateway to a dedicated mailing list
so that people who do not have access to Usenet newsgroups will be
able to read and post messages to the newsgroup via e-mail.

END CHARTER.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups,
should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call for
Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion
warrants it.

Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to
Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, sci.polymers, sci.materials,
sci.engr.semiconductors, sci.materials.ceramics, sci.engr,
sci.engr.civil, sci.engr.mech, sci.engr.metallurgy,
sci.engr.manufacturing, sci.techniques.testing.nondestructive

Proponent:  Dr. Martin P. Jones <[email protected]>
Proponent:  Mr. Matthew W. White <[email protected]>
Mentor: Mr. Jonathan Grobe <[email protected]>

From [email protected] Thu Dec  5 21:46:45 1996
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Jim Davis)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.engr.civil,sci.engr.manufacturing,sci.engr.mech,sci.engr.metallurgy,sci.engr.semiconductors,sci.materials,sci.materials.ceramics,sci.polymers
Subject: CFV: sci.engr.joining.misc, sci.engr.joining.welding
Followup-To: poster
Date: 6 Dec 1996 02:46:38 -0000
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Lines: 209
Sender: [email protected]
Approved: [email protected]
Expires: 28 Dec 1996 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net
Archive-Name: sci.engr.joining
Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9424 news.groups:241720 sci.engr.civil:22594 sci.engr.manufacturing:15759 sci.engr.mech:33059 sci.engr.metallurgy:10013 sci.engr.semiconductors:9340 sci.materials:22288 sci.materials.ceramics:3237 sci.polymers:10008

                     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
               unmoderated group sci.engr.joining.misc
              unmoderated group sci.engr.joining.welding

Newsgroup lines:
sci.engr.joining.misc	Joining of materials for manufacture & repair.
sci.engr.joining.welding	Welding of materials for manufacture & repair.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 27 Dec 1996.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Direct
questions about the proposed group to the proponent.  Do not
distribute this CFV or the information contained in it in any form
without the votetaker's permission.

Proponent: Dr. Martin P. Jones <[email protected]>
Proponent: Matthew W. White <[email protected]>
Mentor: Jonathan Grobe <[email protected]>
Votetaker: Jim Davis <[email protected]>

RATIONALE: sci.engr.joining.misc

Materials joining plays an integral role in the fabrication,
manufacturing, and repair of virtually all structures and devices.  These
operations are a significant source of added value and have a major impact
on reliability and performance.  The technologies associated with successful
joining of materials span a wide range of engineering and scientific
disciplines.  Advances in materials, design, manufacturing and industrial
engineering, process control and automation all interact to increase the
complexity of each joining application.  A newsgroup dedicated to discussion
of joining-related issues will greatly facilitate communication between
scientists, engineers, and manufacturers with common challenges.  It would
also provide a platform for cross-disciplinary exchange on joining-related
issues.  The newsgroup, sci.engr.joining.misc, is proposed, not as a catchall
group, but as a rational starting point for joining related groups under the
sci.engr.joining hierarchy.

RATIONALE: sci.engr.joining.welding

Welding is one of the most common joining processes utilized in manufacturing
and fabrication today.  The International Institute of Welding/Institut de
Soudure currently identifies over 140 separate welding processes and allied
technologies, ranging from arc welding for thick section steel fabrication to
the wire bonding processes used in electronics manufacture. These operations
are a significant source of added value and have a major impact on system
reliability and performance.  The technologies associated with successful
welding span a wide range of engineering and scientific disciplines.
Advances in materials, design, manufacturing and industrial engineering,
process control and automation all interact to increase the complexity of each
joining application.  A recent Deja News search revealed over 4,000 posts on
welding-related topics across USENET.  This indicates more than sufficient
interest to create a welding newsgroup.  A newsgroup dedicated to discussion
of welding topics will greatly facilitate communication between scientists,
engineers, and manufacturers with common challenges.  It would also provide a
platform for cross-disciplinary exchange on welding-related issues.   The
newsgroup sci.engr.joining.welding is proposed for the exchange of scientific
information and technical discussion of welding issues.

CHARTER: sci.engr.joining.misc

A newsgroup dedicated to the exchange of scientific information and
discussion of technical issues relating to the general joining of
materials for manufacture and repair.  Anyone interested will be
welcome to participate in discussions about, but not limited to:

1..  Joining methods: mechanical fasteners, adhesive, thermal spraying.

2.  Other disciplines impacted by joining: nondestructive testing,
quality control, mechanical testing, materials engineering, structural
design.

3.  Professional society activities related to joining: Adhesion
Society of Japan, American Welding Society, Croatian Welding Society,
Japan Welding Society, International Institute of Welding, ASM
International, ASME International, American Society for Testing and
Materials, American Society for Nondestructive Testing, British Institute
of Non-Destructive Testing

4.  Employment opportunities within the joining technology field.

5.  Educational resources and events.

6.  Upcoming conferences related to joining.

In keeping with the tradition of sci.engr, on-topic sales material and
advertisements are acceptable within this newsgroup under the condition that
embedded within it is useful, non-product-specific and free information.
Examples of such advertisements would include:  new or improved textbooks
and software; new or updated WWW sites; course or lecture announcements; and
job listings.   Advertising which requests that no e-mail replies be made to
their postings, uses false e-mail return addresses, is blatantly off
topic, or promotes illegal schemes or purposes is unwelcome.  Responses to
inappropriate advertisements should be made directly to the senders and their
service providers and not posted to the newsgroup.

Binaries are not permitted on this newsgroup.

Note: This newsgroup will have a gateway to a dedicated mailing list
so that people who do not have access to Usenet newsgroups will be
able to read and post messages to the newsgroup via e-mail.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: sci.engr.joining.welding

A newsgroup dedicated to the exchange of scientific information and
discussion of technical issues relating to the joining of materials by
welding for manufacture and repair.  Anyone interested will be welcome
to participate in discussions about, but not limited to:

1.  Welding methods: resistance welding, arc welding, brazing, oxyfuel
gas welding, soldering, solid state welding.

2.  Other disciplines impacted by welding: nondestructive testing,
quality control, mechanical testing, materials engineering, structural
design.

3.  Professional society activities related to welding: American
Welding Society, Croatian Welding Society, Japan Welding Society,
American Society for Testing and Materials, American Society for
Nondestructive Testing, International Institute of Welding, ASM
International, ASME International, British Institute of Non-Destructive
Testing.

4.  Employment opportunities within the welding technology field.

5.  Educational resources and events.

6.  Upcoming conferences related to welding.

In keeping with the tradition of sci.engr, on-topic sales material and
advertisements are acceptable within this newsgroup under the condition
that embedded within it is useful, non-product-specific and free information.
Examples of such advertisements would include:  new or improved textbooks
and software; new or updated WWW sites; course or lecture announcements; and
job listings.   Advertising which requests that no e-mail replies be made to
their postings, uses false e-mail return addresses, is blatantly off
topic, or promotes illegal schemes or purposes is unwelcome.  Responses to
inappropriate advertisements should be made directly to the senders and their
service providers and not posted to the newsgroup.

Binaries are not permitted on this newsgroup.

Note: This newsgroup will have a gateway to a dedicated mailing list
so that people who do not have access to Usenet newsgroups will be
able to read and post messages to the newsgroup via e-mail.

END CHARTER.

HOW TO VOTE:

Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and
after the "-=-=-=-" lines.  Don't worry about the spacing of the
columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts.  And
please don't send the entire CFV back!

Mark the ballot and then mail it to: [email protected]

Examples of how to properly indicate your vote:

[ YES     ]  example.yes.vote
[ NO      ]  example.no.vote
[ ABSTAIN ]  example.abstention
[ CANCEL  ]  example.cancellation

-=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
sci.engr.joining Ballot    <sej-01> (Don't remove this marker)

Give your real name here:

  Your Vote  Newsgroup
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[         ]  sci.engr.joining.misc
[         ]  sci.engr.joining.welding
-=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:

Standard Guidelines for voting apply.  One account per person and one
vote per person.  Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the
votetaker.  Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid; this
includes votes generated by WWW/HTML/CGI forms.

Vote counting is automated: If you don't follow these directions then
your vote may not get counted.  If you do not receive an
acknowledgment of your vote within several days, contact the votetaker
about the problem.  It's your responsibility to make sure that your
vote is registered correctly.  Duplicate votes are resolved in favor
of the most recent valid vote.  Addresses and votes of all voters will
be published in the final voting results post.

The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest in
people who would read a proposed newsgroup.  Soliciting votes from
disinterested people defeats this purpose.  Please do not redistribute
this CFV.  If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to
news.announce.newgroups.  Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited
copies of this CFV will result in those votes being cancelled.  When
in doubt, ask the votetaker.

DISTRIBUTION:  This CFV has been crossposted to

        sci.engr.civil
        sci.engr.manufacturing
        sci.engr.mech
        sci.engr.metallurgy
        sci.engr..semiconductors
        sci.materials
        sci.materials.ceramics
        sci.polymers

From [email protected] Sun Dec 15 23:23:52 1996
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Jim Davis)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.engr.civil,sci.engr.manufacturing,sci.engr.mech,sci.engr.metallurgy,sci.engr.semiconductors,sci.materials,sci.materials.ceramics,sci.polymers
Subject: 2nd CFV: sci.engr.joining.misc, sci.engr.joining.welding
Supersedes: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: poster
Date: 16 Dec 1996 04:23:46 -0000
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Lines: 216
Sender: [email protected]
Approved: [email protected]
Expires: 28 Dec 1996 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net
Archive-Name: sci.engr.joining
Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9449 news.groups:243909 sci.engr.civil:22808 sci.engr.manufacturing:15905 sci.engr.mech:33330 sci.engr.metallurgy:10126 sci.engr.semiconductors:9423 sci.materials:22470 sci.materials.ceramics:3271 sci.polymers:10101

                      LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
               unmoderated group sci.engr.joining.misc
              unmoderated group sci.engr.joining.welding

Newsgroup lines:
sci.engr.joining.misc	Joining of materials for manufacture & repair.
sci.engr.joining.welding	Welding of materials for manufacture & repair.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 27 Dec 1996.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Direct
questions about the proposed group to the proponent.  Do not
distribute this CFV or the information contained in it in any form
without the votetaker's permission.

Proponent: Dr. Martin P. Jones <[email protected]>
Proponent: Matthew W. White <[email protected]>
Mentor: Jonathan Grobe <[email protected]>
Votetaker: Jim Davis <[email protected]>

RATIONALE: sci.engr.joining.misc

Materials joining plays an integral role in the fabrication,
manufacturing, and repair of virtually all structures and devices.  These
operations are a significant source of added value and have a major impact
on reliability and performance.  The technologies associated with successful
joining of materials span a wide range of engineering and scientific
disciplines.  Advances in materials, design, manufacturing and industrial
engineering, process control and automation all interact to increase the
complexity of each joining application.  A newsgroup dedicated to discussion
of joining-related issues will greatly facilitate communication between
scientists, engineers, and manufacturers with common challenges.  It would
also provide a platform for cross-disciplinary exchange on joining-related
issues.  The newsgroup, sci.engr.joining.misc, is proposed, not as a catchall
group, but as a rational starting point for joining related groups under the
sci.engr.joining hierarchy.

RATIONALE: sci.engr.joining.welding

Welding is one of the most common joining processes utilized in manufacturing
and fabrication today.  The International Institute of Welding/Institut de
Soudure currently identifies over 140 separate welding processes and allied
technologies, ranging from arc welding for thick section steel fabrication to
the wire bonding processes used in electronics manufacture. These operations
are a significant source of added value and have a major impact on system
reliability and performance.  The technologies associated with successful
welding span a wide range of engineering and scientific disciplines.
Advances in materials, design, manufacturing and industrial engineering,
process control and automation all interact to increase the complexity of each
joining application.  A recent Deja News search revealed over 4,000 posts on
welding-related topics across USENET.  This indicates more than sufficient
interest to create a welding newsgroup.  A newsgroup dedicated to discussion
of welding topics will greatly facilitate communication between scientists,
engineers, and manufacturers with common challenges.  It would also provide a
platform for cross-disciplinary exchange on welding-related issues.   The
newsgroup sci.engr.joining.welding is proposed for the exchange of scientific
information and technical discussion of welding issues.

CHARTER: sci.engr.joining.misc

A newsgroup dedicated to the exchange of scientific information and
discussion of technical issues relating to the general joining of
materials for manufacture and repair.  Anyone interested will be
welcome to participate in discussions about, but not limited to:

1..  Joining methods: mechanical fasteners, adhesive, thermal spraying.

2.  Other disciplines impacted by joining: nondestructive testing,
quality control, mechanical testing, materials engineering, structural
design.

3.  Professional society activities related to joining: Adhesion
Society of Japan, American Welding Society, Croatian Welding Society,
Japan Welding Society, International Institute of Welding, ASM
International, ASME International, American Society for Testing and
Materials, American Society for Nondestructive Testing, British Institute
of Non-Destructive Testing

4.  Employment opportunities within the joining technology field.

5.  Educational resources and events.

6.  Upcoming conferences related to joining.

In keeping with the tradition of sci.engr, on-topic sales material and
advertisements are acceptable within this newsgroup under the condition that
embedded within it is useful, non-product-specific and free information.
Examples of such advertisements would include:  new or improved textbooks
and software; new or updated WWW sites; course or lecture announcements; and
job listings.   Advertising which requests that no e-mail replies be made to
their postings, uses false e-mail return addresses, is blatantly off
topic, or promotes illegal schemes or purposes is unwelcome.  Responses to
inappropriate advertisements should be made directly to the senders and their
service providers and not posted to the newsgroup.

Binaries are not permitted on this newsgroup.

Note: This newsgroup will have a gateway to a dedicated mailing list
so that people who do not have access to Usenet newsgroups will be
able to read and post messages to the newsgroup via e-mail.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: sci.engr.joining.welding

A newsgroup dedicated to the exchange of scientific information and
discussion of technical issues relating to the joining of materials by
welding for manufacture and repair.  Anyone interested will be welcome
to participate in discussions about, but not limited to:

1.  Welding methods: resistance welding, arc welding, brazing, oxyfuel
gas welding, soldering, solid state welding.

2.  Other disciplines impacted by welding: nondestructive testing,
quality control, mechanical testing, materials engineering, structural
design.

3.  Professional society activities related to welding: American
Welding Society, Croatian Welding Society, Japan Welding Society,
American Society for Testing and Materials, American Society for
Nondestructive Testing, International Institute of Welding, ASM
International, ASME International, British Institute of Non-Destructive
Testing.

4.  Employment opportunities within the welding technology field.

5.  Educational resources and events.

6.  Upcoming conferences related to welding.

In keeping with the tradition of sci.engr, on-topic sales material and
advertisements are acceptable within this newsgroup under the condition
that embedded within it is useful, non-product-specific and free information.
Examples of such advertisements would include:  new or improved textbooks
and software; new or updated WWW sites; course or lecture announcements; and
job listings.   Advertising which requests that no e-mail replies be made to
their postings, uses false e-mail return addresses, is blatantly off
topic, or promotes illegal schemes or purposes is unwelcome.  Responses to
inappropriate advertisements should be made directly to the senders and their
service providers and not posted to the newsgroup.

Binaries are not permitted on this newsgroup.

Note: This newsgroup will have a gateway to a dedicated mailing list
so that people who do not have access to Usenet newsgroups will be
able to read and post messages to the newsgroup via e-mail.

END CHARTER.

HOW TO VOTE:

Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and
after the "-=-=-=-" lines.  Don't worry about the spacing of the
columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts.  And
please don't send the entire CFV back!

Mark the ballot and then mail it to: [email protected]

Examples of how to properly indicate your vote:

[ YES     ]  example.yes.vote
[ NO      ]  example.no.vote
[ ABSTAIN ]  example.abstention
[ CANCEL  ]  example.cancellation

-=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
sci.engr.joining Ballot    <sej-02> (Don't remove this marker)

Give your real name here:

[Your Vote]  Group
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
[         ]  sci.engr.joining.misc
[         ]  sci.engr.joining.welding
-=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-


VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:

Standard Guidelines for voting apply.  One account per person and one
vote per person.  Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the
votetaker.  Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid; this
includes votes generated by WWW/HTML/CGI forms.

Vote counting is automated: If you don't follow these directions then
your vote may not get counted.  If you do not receive an
acknowledgment of your vote within several days, contact the votetaker
about the problem.  It's your responsibility to make sure that your
vote is registered correctly.  Duplicate votes are resolved in favor
of the most recent valid vote.  Addresses and votes of all voters will
be published in the final voting results post.

The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest in
people who would read a proposed newsgroup.  Soliciting votes from
disinterested people defeats this purpose.  Please do not redistribute
this CFV.  If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to
news.announce.newgroups.  Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited
copies of this CFV will result in those votes being cancelled.  When
in doubt, ask the votetaker.

DISTRIBUTION:  This CFV has been crossposted to

        sci.engr.civil
        sci.engr.manufacturing
        sci.engr.mech
        sci.engr.metallurgy
        sci.engr..semiconductors
        sci.materials
        sci.materials.ceramics
        sci.polymers

sci.engr.joining Bounce List - No need to revote
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[email protected]                                                    Alan Holk
[email protected]                                         R. J. Foulger
"Your Lanid"@Inland.com                                        Dennis A. Smith

From [email protected] Mon Dec 30 09:13:41 1996
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Jim Davis)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.engr.civil,sci.engr.manufacturing,sci.engr.mech,sci.engr.metallurgy,sci.engr.semiconductors,sci.materials,sci.materials.ceramics,sci.polymers
Subject: RESULT: sci.engr.joining all groups pass
Supersedes: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: news.groups
Date: 30 Dec 1996 09:13:32 -0500
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Lines: 374
Sender: [email protected]
Approved: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net
Archive-Name: sci.engr.joining
Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9478 news.groups:245241 sci.engr.civil:23055 sci.engr.manufacturing:16094 sci.engr.mech:33601 sci.engr.metallurgy:10281 sci.engr.semiconductors:9509 sci.materials:22657 sci.materials.ceramics:3339 sci.polymers:10238

                                RESULT
        unmoderated group sci.engr.joining.misc passes 174:19
       unmoderated group sci.engr.joining.welding passes 175:16

sci.engr.joining results - 200 valid votes

 Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
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 174   19 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : sci.engr.joining.misc
 175   16 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : sci.engr.joining.welding
   4 invalid votes

sci.engr.joining.misc passed on Thu Dec 19 13:26:15 1996
sci.engr.joining.welding passed on Wed Dec 18 14:33:51 1996

Newsgroup lines:
sci.engr.joining.misc	Joining of materials for manufacture & repair.
sci.engr.joining.welding	Welding of materials for manufacture & repair.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  Direct questions
about the groups to the proponent.

Proponent: Dr. Martin P. Jones <[email protected]>
Proponent: Matthew W. White <[email protected]>
Mentor: Jonathan Grobe <[email protected]>
Votetaker: Jim Davis <[email protected]>

RATIONALE: sci.engr.joining.misc

Materials joining plays an integral role in the fabrication,
manufacturing, and repair of virtually all structures and devices.  These
operations are a significant source of added value and have a major impact
on reliability and performance.  The technologies associated with successful
joining of materials span a wide range of engineering and scientific
disciplines.  Advances in materials, design, manufacturing and industrial
engineering, process control and automation all interact to increase the
complexity of each joining application.  A newsgroup dedicated to discussion
of joining-related issues will greatly facilitate communication between
scientists, engineers, and manufacturers with common challenges.  It would
also provide a platform for cross-disciplinary exchange on joining-related
issues.  The newsgroup, sci.engr.joining.misc, is proposed, not as a catchall
group, but as a rational starting point for joining related groups under the
sci.engr.joining hierarchy.

RATIONALE: sci.engr.joining.welding

Welding is one of the most common joining processes utilized in manufacturing
and fabrication today.  The International Institute of Welding/Institut de
Soudure currently identifies over 140 separate welding processes and allied
technologies, ranging from arc welding for thick section steel fabrication to
the wire bonding processes used in electronics manufacture. These operations
are a significant source of added value and have a major impact on system
reliability and performance.  The technologies associated with successful
welding span a wide range of engineering and scientific disciplines.
Advances in materials, design, manufacturing and industrial engineering,
process control and automation all interact to increase the complexity of each
joining application.  A recent Deja News search revealed over 4,000 posts on
welding-related topics across USENET.  This indicates more than sufficient
interest to create a welding newsgroup.  A newsgroup dedicated to discussion
of welding topics will greatly facilitate communication between scientists,
engineers, and manufacturers with common challenges.  It would also provide a
platform for cross-disciplinary exchange on welding-related issues.   The
newsgroup sci.engr.joining.welding is proposed for the exchange of scientific
information and technical discussion of welding issues.

CHARTER: sci.engr.joining.misc

A newsgroup dedicated to the exchange of scientific information and
discussion of technical issues relating to the general joining of
materials for manufacture and repair.  Anyone interested will be
welcome to participate in discussions about, but not limited to:

1..  Joining methods: mechanical fasteners, adhesive, thermal spraying.

2.  Other disciplines impacted by joining: nondestructive testing,
quality control, mechanical testing, materials engineering, structural
design.

3.  Professional society activities related to joining: Adhesion
Society of Japan, American Welding Society, Croatian Welding Society,
Japan Welding Society, International Institute of Welding, ASM
International, ASME International, American Society for Testing and
Materials, American Society for Nondestructive Testing, British Institute
of Non-Destructive Testing

4.  Employment opportunities within the joining technology field.

5.  Educational resources and events.

6.  Upcoming conferences related to joining.

In keeping with the tradition of sci.engr, on-topic sales material and
advertisements are acceptable within this newsgroup under the condition that
embedded within it is useful, non-product-specific and free information.
Examples of such advertisements would include:  new or improved textbooks
and software; new or updated WWW sites; course or lecture announcements; and
job listings.   Advertising which requests that no e-mail replies be made to
their postings, uses false e-mail return addresses, is blatantly off
topic, or promotes illegal schemes or purposes is unwelcome.  Responses to
inappropriate advertisements should be made directly to the senders and their
service providers and not posted to the newsgroup.

Binaries are not permitted on this newsgroup.

Note: This newsgroup will have a gateway to a dedicated mailing list
so that people who do not have access to Usenet newsgroups will be
able to read and post messages to the newsgroup via e-mail.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: sci.engr.joining.welding

A newsgroup dedicated to the exchange of scientific information and
discussion of technical issues relating to the joining of materials by
welding for manufacture and repair.  Anyone interested will be welcome
to participate in discussions about, but not limited to:

1.  Welding methods: resistance welding, arc welding, brazing, oxyfuel
gas welding, soldering, solid state welding.

2.  Other disciplines impacted by welding: nondestructive testing,
quality control, mechanical testing, materials engineering, structural
design.

3.  Professional society activities related to welding: American
Welding Society, Croatian Welding Society, Japan Welding Society,
American Society for Testing and Materials, American Society for
Nondestructive Testing, International Institute of Welding, ASM
International, ASME International, British Institute of Non-Destructive
Testing.

4.  Employment opportunities within the welding technology field.

5.  Educational resources and events.

6.  Upcoming conferences related to welding.

In keeping with the tradition of sci.engr, on-topic sales material and
advertisements are acceptable within this newsgroup under the condition
that embedded within it is useful, non-product-specific and free information.
Examples of such advertisements would include:  new or improved textbooks
and software; new or updated WWW sites; course or lecture announcements; and
job listings.   Advertising which requests that no e-mail replies be made to
their postings, uses false e-mail return addresses, is blatantly off
topic, or promotes illegal schemes or purposes is unwelcome.  Responses to
inappropriate advertisements should be made directly to the senders and their
service providers and not posted to the newsgroup.

Binaries are not permitted on this newsgroup.

Note: This newsgroup will have a gateway to a dedicated mailing list
so that people who do not have access to Usenet newsgroups will be
able to read and post messages to the newsgroup via e-mail.

END CHARTER.

sci.engr.joining Final Vote Ack


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[email protected]                                          Zhu Ping
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[email protected]                                                   John Merwin
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[email protected]                                              Karsten Madsen
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[email protected]                                                              Z240
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