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Request For Discussion
----------------------

The creation of the following unmoderated newsgroup is proposed:

For your newsgroups file:
misc.health.rep-strain	Prevention, diagnosis, treatment of Repetitive Strain Injuries.

This discussion period shall not last for longer than 30 days.

Rationale and Background
------------------------

The listserv mailing list sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu is a forum for the 
discussion of all aspects of RSIs.  Message traffic currently averages 10-20
postings per day.  A Single Transferrable Vote poll was recently conducted to 
determine whether or not a bi-directional newsgroup gateway should be 
established, and the preferred alternative was to establish such a gateway to 
the new newsgroup sci.med.rsi.  After some sage advice from the folks at
group-advice@uunet.uu.net, the proposed newsgroup has been renamed to
misc.health.rep-strain.

Establishing a gateway with the existing newsgroup sci.med.occupational was
considered, but that newgroup has a much broader scope, and its subscribers
did not want to be flooded with the rsi-specific traffic that a sorehand
gateway would bring.

Newsgroup Charter
-----------------

Misc.health.rep-strain is an unmoderated newsgroup for the discussion of all 
aspects of Repetitive Strain Injuries.  RSIs have many causes, with computing 
equipment playing a major role.  Everybody in the online community who uses a 
keyboard or a pointing device is at risk for developing an RSI.

Topics relevant for discussion include but are not limited to:

	Prevention through improved ergonomics.

	Diagnosis of injuries.

	Treatment of injuries.

	Workmen's compensation, insurance, and other legal issues.

	Product reviews.

	Publication of other relevant newsletters.

	Offering support to fellow RSI sufferers.
-- 
Mark Bixby                         E-mail: markb@cccd.edu
Coast Community College District   Web: http://www.cccd.edu/~markb/
District Information Services      1370 Adams Ave., Costa Mesa, CA, USA  92626
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From markb@cccd.edu Wed Dec  7 13:06:51 1994
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Request For Discussion
----------------------

A split of the existing newsgroup sci.med.occupational into the following
unmoderated groups is proposed:

For your newsgroups file:
sci.med.occupational.misc	General discussion about occupational injuries.
sci.med.occupational.rsi	All about Repetitive Strain Injuries.

This discussion period shall last for no longer than 30 days.

Rationale and Background
------------------------

The listserv mailing list sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu is a forum for the 
discussion of all aspects of RSIs.  Message traffic currently averages 10-20
postings per day.  A Single Transferrable Vote poll was recently conducted to 
determine whether or not a bi-directional newsgroup gateway should be 
established, and the preferred alternative was to establish such a gateway to 
the new newsgroup sci.med.rsi.  After some sage advice from the folks at
group-advice@uunet.uu.net, the proposed newsgroup was originally RFD-ed as
misc.health.rep-strain.

Establishing a gateway with the existing newsgroup sci.med.occupational was
considered, but that newsgroup has a much broader scope, and its subscribers
did not want to be flooded with the RSI-specific traffic that a sorehand
gateway would bring.

The misc.health.rep-strain discussion raised two major issues.  First,
supporters of an RSI group prefer the abbreviation ".rsi" instead of 
".rep-strain".  Second, and more significantly, several people pointed out
that the sci.med.occupational charter was almost identical to the one
contained within the RFD you are reading now.

While sci.med.occupational seems to have been intended as *the* Usenet forum
to discuss RSI issues, the reality is quite different.  Traffic on this
newsgroup contains very few RSI-specific articles, and covers a very broad
range of occupational issues.  Perhaps this is due to a poor name plus a
"newsgroups" description that does not mention RSI.

In order to follow the spirit of the original sci.med.occupational charter and
to honor the desire of existing sci.med.occupational subscribers to not be 
flooded with RSI-specific traffic, this RFD has been recast as a group split.
Existing sci.med.occupational traffic would migrate to 
sci.med.occupational.misc.

One possible objection to this scheme is that the expected traffic content on 
the .rsi newsgroup would be about 80% "support" vs. 20% medical.  This 
conflicts with the medical/research intent of sci.med.*, and thus some people
might feel that a new newsgroup like misc.health.injuries.rsi might be more
appropriate for this traffic.  Which in turn seems to conflict with the intent
of sci.med.occupational being the proper forum for RSI traffic.  Thus the need
for more RFD discussion.

Newsgroup Charter (sci.med.occupational.rsi)
--------------------------------------------

Sci.med.occupational.rsi is an unmoderated newsgroup for the discussion of all 
aspects of Repetitive Strain Injuries.  RSIs have many causes, with computing 
equipment playing a major role.  Everybody in the online community who uses a 
keyboard or a pointing device is at risk for developing an RSI.

Topics relevant for discussion include but are not limited to:

	Prevention through improved ergonomics.

	Talk about relevant medical studies.

	Diagnosis of injuries.

	Treatment of injuries.

	Workmen's compensation, insurance, and other legal issues.

	Product reviews.

	Publication of other relevant newsletters.

	Offering support to fellow RSI sufferers.

Newsgroup Charter (sci.med.occupational.misc)
---------------------------------------------

Sci.med.occupational.misc is an unmoderated newsgroup for the discussion of all
occupational injury issues not covered elsewhere in the sci.med.occupational.*
sub-hierarchy.
-- 
Mark Bixby                         E-mail: markb@cccd.edu
Coast Community College District   Web: http://www.cccd.edu/~markb/
District Information Services      1370 Adams Ave., Costa Mesa, CA, USA  92626
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Request For Discussion
----------------------

A split of the existing newsgroup sci.med.occupational into the following
unmoderated newsgroups is proposed:

For your newsgroups file:
misc.health.occupational.misc	General discussion about occupational injuries.
misc.health.occupational.rsi	All about Repetitive Strain Injuries.

Rationale and Background
------------------------

The listserv mailing list sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu is a forum for the 
discussion of all aspects of RSIs.  Message traffic currently averages 10-20
postings per day.  A Single Transferrable Vote poll was conducted last summer 
to determine whether or not a bi-directional newsgroup gateway should be 
established, and the preferred alternative was to establish such a gateway to 
the new newsgroup sci.med.rsi.  After some sage advice from the folks at
group-advice@uunet.uu.net, the proposed newsgroup was originally RFD-ed as
misc.health.rep-strain.

Establishing a gateway with the existing newsgroup sci.med.occupational was
considered, but that newsgroup has a much broader scope, and its subscribers
did not want to be flooded with the RSI-specific traffic that a sorehand
gateway would bring.

The misc.health.rep-strain discussion raised two major issues.  First,
supporters of an RSI newsgroup prefer the abbreviation ".rsi" instead of 
".rep-strain".  Second, and more significantly, several people pointed out
that the sci.med.occupational charter was almost identical to the one
contained within the RFD you are reading now.

While sci.med.occupational seems to have been intended as *the* Usenet forum
to discuss RSI issues, the reality is quite different.  Traffic on this
newsgroup contains very few RSI-specific articles, and covers a very broad
range of occupational issues.  Perhaps this is due to a poor name plus a
"newsgroups" description that does not mention RSI.

In order to follow the spirit of the original sci.med.occupational charter and
to honor the desire of existing sci.med.occupational subscribers to not be 
flooded with RSI-specific traffic, this RFD has been recast as a group split.
Existing sci.med.occupational traffic would migrate to 
misc.health.occupational.misc.

The expected traffic content of the .rsi newsgroup would be about 80% 
"support" vs. 20% "medical", and the actual traffic content of 
sci.med.occupational is mostly other than medical/research.  This conflicts 
with the medical/research intent of sci.med.*, and thus the folks at
group-advice@uunet.uu.net feel that both of these newsgroups belong under
misc.health.occupational.*.

Newsgroup Charter (misc.health.occupational.rsi)
------------------------------------------------

Misc.health.occupational.rsi is an unmoderated newsgroup for the discussion 
of all aspects of Repetitive Strain Injuries.  RSIs have many causes, with 
computing equipment playing a major role.  Everybody in the online community 
who uses a keyboard or a pointing device is at risk for developing an RSI.

Topics relevant for discussion include but are not limited to:

	Prevention through improved ergonomics.

	Talk about relevant medical studies.

	Diagnosis of injuries.

	Treatment of injuries.

	Workmen's compensation, insurance, and other legal issues pertaining
	to RSI.

	RSI product reviews.

	Publication of relevant RSI newsletters.

	Offering support to fellow RSI sufferers.

Newsgroup Charter (misc.health.occupational.misc)
-------------------------------------------------

Misc.health.occupational.misc is an unmoderated newsgroup for the discussion 
of all occupational injury issues not covered elsewhere in the 
misc.health.occupational.* sub-hierarchy.  Some explicit examples:

	eye strain, radiation, and other VDT-related problems
	various gadgets to buy/avoid
	dealing with worker's compensation, and other bureaucratic nightmares
	handicap access issues while often better suited to misc.handicap, 
		could be quite relevant to the group.

Misc.health.occupational.misc would NOT discuss:

	sports injuries and other general injuries 
		(unless related to occupational)
	the use of computers in medicine
	new drugs (unless helpful for those injured)
	most of the randomness in sci.med

The majority of discussion will likely center around computer-specific
occupational injuries, although discussion could certainly deal with other
classes of occupational "blue collar" injuries.
-- 
Mark Bixby                         E-mail: markb@cccd.edu
Coast Community College District   Web: http://www.cccd.edu/~markb/
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From markb@cccd.edu Tue Jun  6 00:08:33 1995
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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
           unmoderated group misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc
          moderated group misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated
         unmoderated group sci.med.occupational (new charter)

A split/realignment of the existing newsgroup sci.med.occupational into the
following newsgroups is proposed:

sci.med.occupational		General discussion about occupational injuries.
misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc	All about Repetitive Strain Injuries.
misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated	Experts answer questions about RSI. (Moderated)

This RFD, as well as any subsequent CFV, is being posted to the following
listserv mailing lists:

	rsi-east@sjuvm.stjohns.edu
	rsi-uk@tictac.demon.co.uk
	sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu

Mailing list subscribers without direct Usenet access may post their comments
by e-mailing to the following POST-ONLY gateway:

	news-groups@cs.utexas.edu

Mailing list subscribers interested in reading the articles posted to
news.groups can learn more about a keyword-based article clipping service by
sending the word HELP in the body of an e-mail message to:

	netnews@db.stanford.edu

The RFD period shall not last longer than 14 days from initial posting to
news.announce.newgroups.

Proposal Proponents
-------------------

Proponent from the start of this RFD process:

	Mark Bixby		markb@cccd.edu

Chief proponent for misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated:

	Jonathan Bailin, Ph.D.	bailin@mizar.usc.edu

What's New
----------

The proposed gateway with the mailing list sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu has been
dropped, since it would not be fair to claim a continuing mandate for this idea
>from a vote back in the summer of 1994.  If this newsgroup proposal passes and
the sorehand community still has interest in a gateway, the issue can be
re-voted within sorehand.

A moderated newsgroup has been added to provide professional answers to
questions regarding RSI prevention and treatment.

Proposal Rationale
------------------

The misc.health.injuries.rsi.* sub-hierarchy will help address the epidemic of
computer injuries, the most infamous of which is Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
(CTS).  CTS is a particularly severe example of Repetitive Strain Injury
(RSI).  The U.S. National Center for Health Statistics estimates that over
1.89 million people in the United States alone have CTS.  Other debilitating
forms of RSI are much more prevalent.

RSIs are generally progressive in nature.  They often begin with the
sufferer experiencing mild pain while keyboarding which is ignored.  At the
point when pain begins to effect performance, appropriate intervention and
expert knowledge are critical to reducing the risk of debilitating injury or
the necessity for invasive surgery with significant rehabilitation.

Unfortunately, proper diagnosis, intervention, treatment, and rehabilitation
of RSIs is difficult to find at most primary care institutions.   This is
because advances in diagnosis, treatment, and ergonomic implications of RSI
injury are relatively new.  This explains the enourmous amount of
traffic, frustration, and anger among readers of current RSI listserves.

The medical/ergonomic issues of RSI treatment are often complex, crossing
several disciplines of the moderated group's panel members.  Proper
treatment and prevention of the injury may also require resolution of legal
and labor relations issues which this panel will not address at this time.
These legal/labor relations experts will be added as necessary.

Time is of the essence to the ocean of RSI sufferers who's careers at a
computer are threatened.  Remember, to even mildly effected RSI sufferers,
every keystroke counts.  Providing instant advice by credentialed
professionals, with a moderated group, is the most socially responsible
response to this epidemic.  In summary, this network of keyboard users
should be the first to address this endemic blight with its finest resources.

Detailed Proposal History
-------------------------

The listserv mailing list sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu is a forum for the
discussion of all aspects of RSIs.  Message traffic currently averages 10-20
postings per day.  A Single Transferrable Vote poll was conducted in the summer
of 1994 to determine whether or not a bi-directional newsgroup gateway should
be established, and the preferred alternative was to establish such a gateway
to the new newsgroup sci.med.rsi.  After some sage advice from the folks at
group-advice@uunet.uu.net, the proposed newsgroup was originally RFD-ed as
misc.health.rep-strain.

Establishing a gateway with the existing newsgroup sci.med.occupational was
considered, but that newsgroup has a much broader scope, and its subscribers
did not want to be flooded with the RSI-specific traffic that a sorehand
gateway would bring.

The misc.health.rep-strain discussion raised two major issues.  First,
supporters of an RSI newsgroup prefer the abbreviation ".rsi" instead of
".rep-strain".  Second, and more significantly, several people pointed out
that the sci.med.occupational charter was almost identical to the one
contained within the RFD you are reading now.

While sci.med.occupational seems to have been intended as *the* Usenet forum
to discuss RSI issues, the reality is quite different.  Traffic on this
newsgroup contains very few RSI-specific articles, and covers a very broad
range of occupational issues.  Perhaps this is due to a poor name plus a
"newsgroups" description that does not mention RSI.

The previous incarnation of this RFD proposed a split of sci.med.occupational
into misc.health.occupational.misc and .rsi, but this idea was opposed by
sci.med.occupational subscribers.

The only change to sci.med.occupational now being proposed is to move some of
the RSI-specific items out of the existing sci.med.occupational charter and
into the new misc.health.injuries.rsi.* sub-hierarchy.

Possible questions on the need for a moderated group
----------------------------------------------------

Why does RSI need a seperate moderated newsgroup?

Those who need to ask this question demonstrate a lack of appreciation for
the complexity, severity, and medical urgency of the RSI epidemic.  More
than an "epidemic", RSI is now *endemic*, or native, to the keyboarding
population.

The proposed panel of medical experts will be performing, what is essentially
"emergency duty", analogous to the preparation for medical treatment seen
during triage on the M*A*S*H television show.  Statistics prove that
comparison to the war conditions in this program is *not* inappropriate.  A
"War on RSI" is necessary!

Medical experts should not share the stage of authoritative replies with the
confusion, anger, and often medically dangerous lay advice of the RSI
audience itself.  Nor should they share this stage with the plethora of
uncredentialled "consultants" that currently try to make a living by
commanding and crowding the bulk of bandwidth in existing listserves.

In other words, if a voice of clarity and authority *can* be raised to help
stop this crippling and enormous threat brought on by our own technology,
which is even accentuated by Internet use itself, it deserves an
undisturbed forum.  And, yes, the necessity for moderation by definition
means it *should* focus attention and choose the most important issues for
medical comment.  The RSI suffering public is besieged by many distracting
concerns.


Will the panel allow posts only if it agrees with the writer?

The point about whether the panel would post only "if we personally
agree..." deserves comment.  Good medical care is not performed by gathered
consensus of public opinion or popularity of the speaker.  In contrast,
second opinions by qualified physicians concerning primary care options
should always play a role in patient decisions.  And most importantly,
cyberspace advice can never substitute for an experienced primary care
evaluation.

Preventive medical/ergonomic advice is meant to empower the sufferer to
solve their own problems in concert with qualified medical care.  These
opinions may not be the only "correct" opinions, but the recipient will  be
confident that this information source represents some of the most
qualified, credentialed, and balanced medical/ergonomic authorities
available anywhere.

The principle of medical/ergonomic moderation is a critical step forward.
It is far from most current listserve postings in which amateur "medical"
advice by personal anecdote represents experimental samples of one.  This
type of advice is not meant to be malicious but can have deleterious effects.

General discussion channels can afford to let threads wind endlessly.
Current listserves provide an uncontrolled channel for misleading,
wasteful, politicized, angry, and distracting dialogue which is very often
irrelevent to resolution of a health issues.  This type of venting may serve
a valuable role in the larger perspective, but to allow it to obfuscate
medical advice serves no one.  This is not unusual as all therapeutic
modalities require professional moderation and direction to focus attention
on healing!


Expert moderation panel charter members
---------------------------------------

Jonathan Bailin, Ph.D.--Sports Medicine & Ergonomics (Moderator)
Najmedin Meshkati, Ph.D.--Ergonomics
Karen L. Schneider, MBA, OTR, CHT--Clinical Occupational Therapy
Garry S. Brody, M.D.--Medical Director, USC Hand Rehabilitation Center
Stephen B. Schnall, M.D.--Chief of Hand Surgery USC Medical Center
Joan F. Wright, M.D.--Hand Surgery, Plastic Surgery, RSIs
John Shen, M.D.--Physical Medicine/Diagnostics
Mary Hume-Neal, M.D.--Spinal Disorders/Surgery
Michael Patzakis, M.D.--Osteomyelitis and Joint Infections
Thomas Vangsness, Jr., M.D.--Disorders/Surgery of the Knees & Shoulders

Article submission address:	rsi@usc.edu
Moderator contact address:	rsi@usc.edu

Jonathan Bailin, Ph.D.--Sports Medicine & Ergonomics (Moderator)

	During doctoral research in Exercise Physiology/Biomechanics at the
University of Southern California, Jonathan completed groundbreaking
electromyographic (EMG) research on RSIs to the forearm.  Dr. Bailin's RSI
advice has been implemented globally in locations including Exxon in
Malaysia, the World Health Organization in Geneva, the Dallas Community
Colleges, the Belgium Journalists Bureau, North Carolina State
University, and the US Food & Drug Administration.

	Currently, Jonathan produces seminars, writes and speaks on ergonomic
topics, consults for Los Angeles firms, and continues further RSI research
at USC.  He also moderates a panel of RSI experts (see below) in a newsgroup
on the USC internet called "usc.health.carpal-tunnel".  Dr. Bailin acts as
Chief Consultant for Ergotech Inc. and Medical Editor for a new ergonomics
newsletter called ErgoNews.  He can be reached at bailin@mizar.usc.edu.


Najmedin "Naj" Meshkati, Ph.D.--ERGONOMICS

Dr. Meshkati is Professor of Human Factors and Ergonomics, the Associate
Executive Director for Professional Programs at the Institute of Safety and
Systems Management, and teaches at the Department of Industrial and Systems
Engineering at the University of Southern California (USC).  Dr. Meshkati is
a Certified Professional Ergonomist (CPE # 650) and is a member of the
Review Panel for the National Research Council (NRC), which is the principal
operating agency of the National Academy of Sciences and the National
Academy of Engineering.

Dr. Meshkati has consulted for such organizations as: Aerospace Corporation,
ARCO, Aviotex Corporation, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Orange County Transit
District, Perceptronics Inc., Pneumo Abex Corporation, Rockwell
International, Semiconductor Equipment and Materials International, United
Parcel Service, the United Nations Industrial Development Organization, and
the US Navy.  He is also in the International Atomic Energy Agency's
Coordinated Research Programme on Human Error Classification and Data
Collection.


Karen L. Schneider, M.B.A., O.T.R., C.H.T.--OCCUPATIONAL THERAPIST

Ms. Schneider, is a registered occupational therapist and certified hand
therapist with 15 years of hand rehabilitation experience.  As Director and
Aministrator of the Hand Rehabilitation Center at the USC University
Hospital, Karen is versed on the many changes in workers' compensation laws
and the health care environment.  Ms. Schneider is Assistant Professor of
Clinical Occupational Therapy at USC.


Garry S. Brody, M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Brody founded and directed the first  comprehensive hand rehabilitation
center in California in the city of Downey 20 years ago.  He is past
president of the American Association for Hand Surgery and is a professor of
plastic surgery at USC.  As Medical Director of the Hand Rehabilitation
Center, Dr. Brody oversees the medical components of the program.  He is
currently president-elect of the American Society of Plastic and
Reconstructive Surgery.  Dr. Brody's special interests include chronic
trauma and upper extremity pain syndromes.


Stephen B. Schnall, M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Schnall serves as Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery and Chief
of Hand Surgery at Los Angeles County and USC Medical Centers.  He is a
Joseph H. Boyes Hand Fellow and co-directs this program at USC which is the
oldest formal fellowship for surgery of the hand in the United States.  In
1990, Dr. Schnall earned the Certificate of Added Qualifications in Surgery
of the Hand.    He is also a Fellow of the American Academy of Orthopaedic
Surgery and the American Society for Surgery of the Hand.


Joan F. Wright, M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Wright is an Assistant Professor of Clinical Surgery (Plastic and
Reconstructive) at USC University Medical Center with a Certificate of Added
Qualifications in Surgery of the Hand.  She has a special interest in
cumulative trauma disorders (CTDs) or repetitive trauma disorders linked to
repetitive activities and/or vibrating tools.  Dr. Wright is a member of the
American Society for Surgery of the hand, American College of Surgeons and
Association of Women Surgeons.


John Shen, M.D.-MEDICAL

Dr. Shen is an Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the USC
University Medical Center's Department of Orthopaedics and the Department of
Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation.  He is the Medical Center's leading
specialist in performing electromyographic and neural conduction tests for
RSIs as he is Board Certified by the American Board of Physical Medicine and
Rehabilitation and the American Board of Electrodiagnostic Medicine.


Mary Hume-Neal, M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Hume-Neal is an Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery in the
Department of Orthopaedics at the USC University Medical Center.  She is
Chief of the Orthopaedic Spine Service at the Los Angeles County and USC
University Hospital Medical Centers and is Director of the Orthopaedic Spine
Center at the University Hospital.  She has held spinal surgery fellowships
in Sweden, Switzerland, and the US.  She is a Board Certified Diplomate by
the American Board of Orthopaedic Surgery.


Michael Patzakis, M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Patzakis is Professor and Chairman of the Department of Orthopaedics at
USC's School of Medicine.  He is Chief of the Orthopaedic Infection Service
with special interests in joint infections and infected non-unions at the LA
County and USC Medical Centers.  He is Board Certified by the American Board
of Orthopaedic Surgery.


Thomas Vangsness, Jr., M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Vangsness is Associate Professor of Orthopaedics, Department of
Orthopaedics at the USC School of Medicine.  He performed a Sports Medicine
Fellowship at the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic in Inglewood, California.
He is Board Certified by the American Board of Othopaedic Surgery.


Sci.med.occupational (unmoderated) Newsgroup Charter
----------------------------------------------------

Sci.med.occupational is an unmoderated newsgroup for the discussion
of all occupational injury issues not covered elsewhere.  Some explicit
examples:

	eye strain, radiation, and other VDT-related problems
	various gadgets to buy/avoid
	dealing with worker's compensation, and other bureaucratic nightmares
	handicap access issues while often better suited to misc.handicap,
		could be quite relevant to the group.

Sci.med.occupational would NOT discuss:

	sports injuries and other general injuries
		(unless related to occupational)
	the use of computers in medicine
	new drugs (unless helpful for those injured)
	most of the randomness in sci.med

The majority of discussion will likely center around computer-specific
occupational injuries, although discussion could certainly deal with other
classes of occupational "blue collar" injuries.

Misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc (unmoderated) Newsgroup Charter
-------------------------------------------------------------

Misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc is an unmoderated newsgroup for the discussion
of all aspects of Repetitive Strain Injuries.  RSIs have many causes, with
computing equipment playing a major role.  Everybody in the online community
who uses a keyboard or a pointing device is at risk for developing an RSI.
Most of the traffic on this newsgroup is anticipated to be of the
sufferer-to-sufferer variety.

Topics relevant for discussion include but are not limited to:

	Prevention through improved ergonomics.

	Talk about relevant medical studies.

	Diagnosis of injuries.

	Treatment of injuries.

	Workmen's compensation, insurance, and other legal issues pertaining
	to RSI.

	RSI product reviews.

	Publication of relevant RSI newsletters.

	Offering support to fellow RSI sufferers.

	I live in <your city here>:

		Which local physicians specialize in RSI?
		Which local store sells ergonomic furniture?
		Can anybody recommend a good local work-comp lawyer?
		etc...

Misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated (moderated) Newsgroup Charter
----------------------------------------------------------------

This newsgroup is dedicated to producing an educated consumer, the most
important partner in the RSI prevention and healing process.
The FAQ orientation for this group will be posted weekly, and shall
clarify much of the RSI confusion for the reader with the fewest possible
keystrokes. Questions not answered by this orientation will be passed to the
best RSI medical authorities available.

This group's primary mission is to prevent RSI.  Its secondary mission is to
educate sufferers so that their treatment has the best chance of success.

*All medical and ergonomic information will be dispensed by the expert
panel*  This is a critical aspect of this format which sets it apart from
current discussion groups in which personal anecdotes and friendly advice
are given without regard for possible deliterious effect on others.

The expert panel's advice will never be a substitute for actual medical
treatment.  Its first priority will be to get sufferers to proper medical
attention forearmed with the knowledge to participate as educated partners
in treatment.

Your questions, answers, and comments will be submitted to an
expert panel of health care practitioners in the field of Repetitive
Strain Injuries.  Their reply to you will be posted in this group.

Your inquiry will not be handled if it appears that you have not
read the Frequently Asked Questions orientation document below.
This FAQ has been designed to focus discussion and solve many, if
not most, computer use health questions.  It has been used in such far
flung places as Exxon in Malaysia, the World Health Organization in
Geneva, the Dallas Community Colleges, the Belgium Journalists Bureau,
North Carolina State University, and the US Food & Drug Administration.

The Panel's FAQ can be found currently at:

	<URL:http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~dwallach/tifaq/general.html#q-and-a>
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                      FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
           unmoderated group misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc
          moderated group misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated

NEWSGROUP LINES

misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc   All about Repetitive Strain Injuries.
misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated      Experts answer questions about RSI (Moderated).
sci.med.occupational    Job injuries except RSI (cf misc.health.injuries.rsi.*).

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 11 Sep 1995.

This CFV will be also be sent to the mailing lists at
rsi-east@sjuvm.stjohns.edu, rsi-uk@tictac.demon.co.uk,
sorehand@itssrv1.ucsf.edu, and c+health@iubvm.ucs.indiana.edu.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact Jim Davis <jjd@primenet.com>.  For questions
about the proposed groups contact Mark Bixby <markb@cccd.edu> or
Jonathan Bailin Ph.D., <bailin@mizar.usc.edu>.

RATIONALE: misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc

The misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc newsgroup will help address the epidemic of
computer injuries, the most infamous of which is Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
(CTS).  CTS is a particularly severe example of Repetitive Strain Injury
(RSI).  The U.S. National Center for Health Statistics estimates that over
1.89 million people in the United States alone have CTS.  Other debilitating
forms of RSI are much more prevalent.

RSIs are generally progressive in nature.  They often begin with the
sufferer experiencing mild pain while keyboarding which is ignored.  At the
point when pain begins to effect performance, appropriate intervention and
expert knowledge are critical to reducing the risk of debilitating injury or
the necessity for invasive surgery with significant rehabilitation.

Unfortunately, proper diagnosis, intervention, treatment, and rehabilitation
of RSIs is difficult to find at most primary care institutions.   This is
because advances in diagnosis, treatment, and ergonomic implications of RSI
injury are relatively new.  This explains the enormous amount of
traffic, frustration, and anger among readers of current RSI listserves.

Misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc provides a wide-ranging unmoderated forum for the
discussion of all aspects of RSIs.  The creation of this newsgroup will help
to raise the profile of RSI in both the online and medical communities,
hopefully leading to fewer injuries through prevention, as well as increased
awareness of effective treatments.


RATIONALE: misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated

The misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated newsgroup will help address the
epidemic of computer injuries, the most infamous of which is Carpal Tunnel
Syndrome (CTS).  CTS is a particularly severe example of Repetitive Strain
Injury (RSI).  The U.S. National Center for Health Statistics estimates that
over 1.89 million people in the United States alone have CTS.  Other
debilitating forms of RSI are much more prevalent.

RSIs are generally progressive in nature.  They often begin with the
sufferer experiencing mild pain while keyboarding which is ignored.  At the
point when pain begins to effect performance, appropriate intervention and
expert knowledge are critical to reducing the risk of debilitating injury or
the necessity for invasive surgery with significant rehabilitation.

Unfortunately, proper diagnosis, intervention, treatment, and rehabilitation
of RSIs is difficult to find at most primary care institutions.   This is
because advances in diagnosis, treatment, and ergonomic implications of RSI
injury are relatively new.  This explains the enourmous amount of
traffic, frustration, and anger among readers of current RSI listserves.

The medical/ergonomic issues of RSI treatment are often complex, crossing
several disciplines of the moderated group's panel members.  Proper
treatment and prevention of the injury may also require resolution of legal
and labor relations issues which this panel will not address at this time.
These legal/labor relations experts will be added as necessary.

Time is of the essence to the ocean of RSI sufferers who's careers at a
computer are threatened.  Remember, to even mildly effected RSI sufferers,
every keystroke counts.  Providing instant advice by credentialed
professionals, with a moderated group, is the most socially responsible
response to this epidemic.  In summary, this network of keyboard users
should be the first to address this endemic blight with its finest resources.

Why does RSI need a seperate moderated newsgroup?

Those who need to ask this question demonstrate a lack of appreciation for
the complexity, severity, and medical urgency of the RSI epidemic.  More
than an "epidemic", RSI is now *endemic*, or native, to the keyboarding
population.

The proposed panel of medical experts will be performing, what is essentially
"emergency duty", analogous to the preparation for medical treatment seen
during triage on the M*A*S*H television show.  Statistics prove that
comparison to the war conditions in this program is *not* inappropriate.  A
"War on RSI" is necessary!

Medical experts should not share the stage of authoritative replies with the
confusion, anger, and often medically dangerous lay advice of the RSI
audience itself.  Nor should they share this stage with the plethora of
uncredentialled "consultants" that currently try to make a living by
commanding and crowding the bulk of bandwidth in existing listserves.

In other words, if a voice of clarity and authority *can* be raised to help
stop this crippling and enormous threat brought on by our own technology,
which is even accentuated by Internet use itself, it deserves an
undisturbed forum.  And, yes, the necessity for moderation by definition
means it *should* focus attention and choose the most important issues for
medical comment.  The RSI suffering public is besieged by many distracting
concerns.

Will the panel allow posts only if it agrees with the writer?

The point about whether the panel would post only "if we personally
agree..." deserves comment.  Good medical care is not performed by gathered
consensus of public opinion or popularity of the speaker.  In contrast,
second opinions by qualified physicians concerning primary care options
should always play a role in patient decisions.  And most importantly,
cyberspace advice can never substitute for an experienced primary care
evaluation.

Preventive medical/ergonomic advice is meant to empower the sufferer to
solve their own problems in concert with qualified medical care.  These
opinions may not be the only "correct" opinions, but the recipient will  be
confident that this information source represents some of the most
qualified, credentialed, and balanced medical/ergonomic authorities
available anywhere.

The principle of medical/ergonomic moderation is a critical step forward.
It is far from most current listserve postings in which amateur "medical"
advice by personal anecdote represents experimental samples of one.  This
type of advice is not meant to be malicious but can have deleterious effects.

General discussion channels can afford to let threads wind endlessly.
Current listserves provide an uncontrolled channel for misleading,
wasteful, politicized, angry, and distracting dialogue which is very often
irrelevent to resolution of a health issues.  This type of venting may serve
a valuable role in the larger perspective, but to allow it to obfuscate
medical advice serves no one.  This is not unusual as all therapeutic
modalities require professional moderation and direction to focus attention
on healing!

RATIONALE: sci.med.occupational

Misc.health.injuries.rsi.* is intended to be the primary place to talk about
Repetitive Strain Injuries on Usenet, and so the *only* modification being
done to the existing sci.med.occupational charter is to remove the explicit
references to RSI.  This should reduce the chance for confusion between
sci.med.occupational and misc.health.injuries.rsi.*.

CHARTER: misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc

misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc is an unmoderated newsgroup for the discussion
of all aspects of Repetitive Strain Injuries.  RSIs have many causes, with
computing equipment playing a major role.  Everybody in the online community
who uses a keyboard or a pointing device is at risk for developing an RSI.
Most of the traffic on this newsgroup is anticipated to be of the
sufferer-to-sufferer variety.

Topics relevant for discussion include but are not limited to:

        Prevention through improved ergonomics.

        Talk about relevant medical studies.

        Diagnosis of injuries.

        Treatment of injuries.

        Workmen's compensation, insurance, and other legal issues pertaining
        to RSI.

        RSI product reviews.

        Publication of relevant RSI newsletters.

        Offering support to fellow RSI sufferers.

        I live in <your city here>:

                Which local physicians specialize in RSI?
                Which local store sells ergonomic furniture?
                Can anybody recommend a good local work-comp lawyer?
                etc...

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated

Moderator:      Jonathan Bailin, Ph.D.  bailin@mizar.usc.edu
Submission:     rsi@usc.edu
Contact:        rsi@usc.edu

This newsgroup is dedicated to producing an educated consumer, the
most important partner in the RSI prevention and healing process.  The
FAQ orientation for this group will be posted weekly, and shall
clarify much of the RSI confusion for the reader with the fewest
possible keystrokes. Questions not answered by this orientation will
be passed to the best RSI medical authorities available.

This group's primary mission is to prevent RSI.  Its secondary mission
is to educate sufferers so that their treatment has the best chance of
success.

*All medical and ergonomic information will be dispensed by the expert
panel* This is a critical aspect of this format which sets it apart
from current discussion groups in which personal anecdotes and
friendly advice are given without regard for possible deliterious
effect on others.

The expert panel's advice will never be a substitute for actual
medical treatment.  Its first priority will be to get sufferers to
proper medical attention forearmed with the knowledge to participate
as educated partners in treatment.

Your questions, answers, and comments will be submitted to an expert
panel of health care practitioners in the field of Repetitive Strain
Injuries.  Their reply to you will be posted in this group.

Your inquiry will not be handled if it appears that you have not read
the Frequently Asked Questions orientation document below.  This FAQ
has been designed to focus discussion and solve many, if not most,
computer use health questions.  It has been used in such far flung
places as Exxon in Malaysia, the World Health Organization in Geneva,
the Dallas Community Colleges, the Belgium Journalists Bureau, North
Carolina State University, and the US Food & Drug Administration.

The Panel's FAQ can be found currently at:

        <URL:http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~dwallach/tifaq/general.html#q-and-a>

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: sci.med.occupational

Sci.med.occupational is an unmoderated newsgroup for the discussion
of all occupational injury issues not covered elsewhere.  Some explicit
examples:

        eye strain, radiation, and other VDT-related problems
        various gadgets to buy/avoid
        dealing with worker's compensation, and other bureaucratic nightmares
        handicap access issues while often better suited to misc.handicap,
                could be quite relevant to the group.

Sci.med.occupational would NOT discuss:

        sports injuries and other general injuries
                (unless related to occupational)
        the use of computers in medicine
        new drugs (unless helpful for those injured)
        most of the randomness in sci.med

The majority of discussion will likely center around computer-specific
occupational injuries, although discussion could certainly deal with other
classes of occupational "blue collar" injuries.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated

Expert moderation panel charter members

Jonathan Bailin, Ph.D.--Sports Medicine & Ergonomics (Moderator)
Najmedin Meshkati, Ph.D.--Ergonomics
Karen L. Schneider, MBA, OTR, CHT--Clinical Occupational Therapy
Garry S. Brody, M.D.--Medical Director, USC Hand Rehabilitation Center
Stephen B. Schnall, M.D.--Chief of Hand Surgery USC Medical Center
Joan F. Wright, M.D.--Hand Surgery, Plastic Surgery, RSIs
John Shen, M.D.--Physical Medicine/Diagnostics
Mary Hume-Neal, M.D.--Spinal Disorders/Surgery
Michael Patzakis, M.D.--Osteomyelitis and Joint Infections
Thomas Vangsness, Jr., M.D.--Disorders/Surgery of the Knees & Shoulders


Jonathan Bailin, Ph.D.--Sports Medicine & Ergonomics (Moderator)

        During doctoral research in Exercise Physiology/Biomechanics at the
University of Southern California, Jonathan completed groundbreaking
electromyographic (EMG) research on RSIs to the forearm.  Dr. Bailin's RSI
advice has been implemented globally in locations including Exxon in
Malaysia, the World Health Organization in Geneva, the Dallas Community
Colleges, the Belgium Journalists Bureau, North Carolina State
University, and the US Food & Drug Administration.

        Currently, Jonathan produces seminars, writes and speaks on ergonomic
topics, consults for Los Angeles firms, and continues further RSI research
at USC.  He also moderates a panel of RSI experts (see below) in a newsgroup
on the USC internet called "usc.health.carpal-tunnel".  Dr. Bailin acts as
Chief Consultant for Ergotech Inc. and Medical Editor for a new ergonomics
newsletter called ErgoNews.  He can be reached at bailin@mizar.usc.edu.


Najmedin "Naj" Meshkati, Ph.D.--ERGONOMICS

Dr. Meshkati is Professor of Human Factors and Ergonomics, the Associate
Executive Director for Professional Programs at the Institute of Safety and
Systems Management, and teaches at the Department of Industrial and Systems
Engineering at the University of Southern California (USC).  Dr. Meshkati is
a Certified Professional Ergonomist (CPE # 650) and is a member of the
Review Panel for the National Research Council (NRC), which is the principal
operating agency of the National Academy of Sciences and the National
Academy of Engineering.

Dr. Meshkati has consulted for such organizations as: Aerospace Corporation,
ARCO, Aviotex Corporation, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Orange County Transit
District, Perceptronics Inc., Pneumo Abex Corporation, Rockwell
International, Semiconductor Equipment and Materials International, United
Parcel Service, the United Nations Industrial Development Organization, and
the US Navy.  He is also in the International Atomic Energy Agency's
Coordinated Research Programme on Human Error Classification and Data
Collection.


Karen L. Schneider, M.B.A., O.T.R., C.H.T.--OCCUPATIONAL THERAPIST

Ms. Schneider, is a registered occupational therapist and certified hand
therapist with 15 years of hand rehabilitation experience.  As Director and
Aministrator of the Hand Rehabilitation Center at the USC University
Hospital, Karen is versed on the many changes in workers' compensation laws
and the health care environment.  Ms. Schneider is Assistant Professor of
Clinical Occupational Therapy at USC.


Garry S. Brody, M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Brody founded and directed the first  comprehensive hand rehabilitation
center in California in the city of Downey 20 years ago.  He is past
president of the American Association for Hand Surgery and is a professor of
plastic surgery at USC.  As Medical Director of the Hand Rehabilitation
Center, Dr. Brody oversees the medical components of the program.  He is
currently president-elect of the American Society of Plastic and
Reconstructive Surgery.  Dr. Brody's special interests include chronic
trauma and upper extremity pain syndromes.


Stephen B. Schnall, M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Schnall serves as Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery and Chief
of Hand Surgery at Los Angeles County and USC Medical Centers.  He is a
Joseph H. Boyes Hand Fellow and co-directs this program at USC which is the
oldest formal fellowship for surgery of the hand in the United States.  In
1990, Dr. Schnall earned the Certificate of Added Qualifications in Surgery
of the Hand.    He is also a Fellow of the American Academy of Orthopaedic
Surgery and the American Society for Surgery of the Hand.


Joan F. Wright, M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Wright is an Assistant Professor of Clinical Surgery (Plastic and
Reconstructive) at USC University Medical Center with a Certificate of Added
Qualifications in Surgery of the Hand.  She has a special interest in
cumulative trauma disorders (CTDs) or repetitive trauma disorders linked to
repetitive activities and/or vibrating tools.  Dr. Wright is a member of the
American Society for Surgery of the hand, American College of Surgeons and
Association of Women Surgeons.


John Shen, M.D.-MEDICAL

Dr. Shen is an Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the USC
University Medical Center's Department of Orthopaedics and the Department of
Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation.  He is the Medical Center's leading
specialist in performing electromyographic and neural conduction tests for
RSIs as he is Board Certified by the American Board of Physical Medicine and
Rehabilitation and the American Board of Electrodiagnostic Medicine.


Mary Hume-Neal, M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Hume-Neal is an Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery in the
Department of Orthopaedics at the USC University Medical Center.  She is
Chief of the Orthopaedic Spine Service at the Los Angeles County and USC
University Hospital Medical Centers and is Director of the Orthopaedic Spine
Center at the University Hospital.  She has held spinal surgery fellowships
in Sweden, Switzerland, and the US.  She is a Board Certified Diplomate by
the American Board of Orthopaedic Surgery.


Michael Patzakis, M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Patzakis is Professor and Chairman of the Department of Orthopaedics at
USC's School of Medicine.  He is Chief of the Orthopaedic Infection Service
with special interests in joint infections and infected non-unions at the LA
County and USC Medical Centers.  He is Board Certified by the American Board
of Orthopaedic Surgery.


Thomas Vangsness, Jr., M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Vangsness is Associate Professor of Orthopaedics, Department of
Orthopaedics at the USC School of Medicine.  He performed a Sports Medicine
Fellowship at the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic in Inglewood, California.
He is Board Certified by the American Board of Othopaedic Surgery.

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From jjd@primenet.com Tue Sep 12 15:40:17 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: jjd@primenet.com (Jim Davis)
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Subject: CFV CANCELLED: misc.health.injuries.rsi.{misc,moderated}
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The current vote on misc.health.injuries.rsi.{misc,moderated} has been
canceled because of email problems at the votetaker's site.  A new
Call For Votes will be sent out soon.  Since the vote will be starting
over from the beginning you will need to vote again; ballots from the
current vote will not be carried over to the new vote.  I'm sorry for
the inconvenience.


From votes@bagend.atl.ga.us Tue Sep 12 15:42:24 1995
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                     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
           unmoderated group misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc
          moderated group misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated

Newsgroups lines:
misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc	All about Repetitive Strain Injuries.
misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated	Experts answer questions about RSI (Moderated).
sci.med.occupational	Job injuries except RSI (cf misc.health.injuries.rsi.*).

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 3 Oct 1995.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Mark Bixby <markb@cccd.edu>
Proponent: Jonathan Bailin, Ph.D. <bailin@mizar.usc.edu>
Votetaker: Jan Isley <jan@bagend.atl.ga.us>

RATIONALE: misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc

The misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc newsgroup will help address the epidemic of
computer injuries, the most infamous of which is Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
(CTS).  CTS is a particularly severe example of Repetitive Strain Injury
(RSI).  The U.S. National Center for Health Statistics estimates that over
1.89 million people in the United States alone have CTS.  Other debilitating
forms of RSI are much more prevalent.

RSIs are generally progressive in nature.  They often begin with the
sufferer experiencing mild pain while keyboarding which is ignored.  At the
point when pain begins to effect performance, appropriate intervention and
expert knowledge are critical to reducing the risk of debilitating injury or
the necessity for invasive surgery with significant rehabilitation.

Unfortunately, proper diagnosis, intervention, treatment, and rehabilitation
of RSIs is difficult to find at most primary care institutions.   This is
because advances in diagnosis, treatment, and ergonomic implications of RSI
injury are relatively new.  This explains the enormous amount of
traffic, frustration, and anger among readers of current RSI listserves.

Misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc provides a wide-ranging unmoderated forum for the
discussion of all aspects of RSIs.  The creation of this newsgroup will help
to raise the profile of RSI in both the online and medical communities,
hopefully leading to fewer injuries through prevention, as well as increased
awareness of effective treatments.

RATIONALE: misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated

The misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated newsgroup will help address the
epidemic of computer injuries, the most infamous of which is Carpal Tunnel
Syndrome (CTS).  CTS is a particularly severe example of Repetitive Strain
Injury (RSI).  The U.S. National Center for Health Statistics estimates that
over 1.89 million people in the United States alone have CTS.  Other
debilitating forms of RSI are much more prevalent.

RSIs are generally progressive in nature.  They often begin with the
sufferer experiencing mild pain while keyboarding which is ignored.  At the
point when pain begins to effect performance, appropriate intervention and
expert knowledge are critical to reducing the risk of debilitating injury or
the necessity for invasive surgery with significant rehabilitation.

Unfortunately, proper diagnosis, intervention, treatment, and rehabilitation
of RSIs is difficult to find at most primary care institutions.   This is
because advances in diagnosis, treatment, and ergonomic implications of RSI
injury are relatively new.  This explains the enourmous amount of
traffic, frustration, and anger among readers of current RSI listserves.

The medical/ergonomic issues of RSI treatment are often complex, crossing
several disciplines of the moderated group's panel members.  Proper
treatment and prevention of the injury may also require resolution of legal
and labor relations issues which this panel will not address at this time.
These legal/labor relations experts will be added as necessary.

Time is of the essence to the ocean of RSI sufferers who's careers at a
computer are threatened.  Remember, to even mildly effected RSI sufferers,
every keystroke counts.  Providing instant advice by credentialed
professionals, with a moderated group, is the most socially responsible
response to this epidemic.  In summary, this network of keyboard users
should be the first to address this endemic blight with its finest resources.

Why does RSI need a seperate moderated newsgroup?

Those who need to ask this question demonstrate a lack of appreciation for
the complexity, severity, and medical urgency of the RSI epidemic.  More
than an "epidemic", RSI is now *endemic*, or native, to the keyboarding
population.

The proposed panel of medical experts will be performing, what is essentially
"emergency duty", analogous to the preparation for medical treatment seen
during triage on the M*A*S*H television show.  Statistics prove that
comparison to the war conditions in this program is *not* inappropriate.  A
"War on RSI" is necessary!

Medical experts should not share the stage of authoritative replies with
the confusion, anger, and often medically dangerous lay advice of the RSI
audience itself.  Nor should they share this stage with the plethora of
uncredentialled "consultants" that currently try to make a living by
commanding and crowding the bulk of bandwidth in existing listserves.

In other words, if a voice of clarity and authority *can* be raised to help
stop this crippling and enormous threat brought on by our own technology,
which is even accentuated by Internet use itself, it deserves an
undisturbed forum.  And, yes, the necessity for moderation by definition
means it *should* focus attention and choose the most important issues for
medical comment.  The RSI suffering public is besieged by many distracting
concerns.

Will the panel allow posts only if it agrees with the writer?

The point about whether the panel would post only "if we personally
agree..." deserves comment.  Good medical care is not performed by gathered
consensus of public opinion or popularity of the speaker.  In contrast,
second opinions by qualified physicians concerning primary care options
should always play a role in patient decisions.  And most importantly,
cyberspace advice can never substitute for an experienced primary care
evaluation.

Preventive medical/ergonomic advice is meant to empower the sufferer to
solve their own problems in concert with qualified medical care.  These
opinions may not be the only "correct" opinions, but the recipient will
be confident that this information source represents some of the most
qualified, credentialed, and balanced medical/ergonomic authorities
available anywhere.

The principle of medical/ergonomic moderation is a critical step forward.
It is far from most current listserve postings in which amateur "medical"
advice by personal anecdote represents experimental samples of one.  This
type of advice is not meant to be malicious but can have deleterious effects.

General discussion channels can afford to let threads wind endlessly.
Current listserves provide an uncontrolled channel for misleading,
wasteful, politicized, angry, and distracting dialogue which is very often
irrelevent to resolution of a health issues.  This type of venting may serve
a valuable role in the larger perspective, but to allow it to obfuscate
medical advice serves no one.  This is not unusual as all therapeutic
modalities require professional moderation and direction to focus attention
on healing!

RATIONALE: sci.med.occupational

Misc.health.injuries.rsi.* is intended to be the primary place to talk about
Repetitive Strain Injuries on Usenet, and so the *only* modification being
done to the existing sci.med.occupational charter is to remove the explicit
references to RSI.  This should reduce the chance for confusion between
sci.med.occupational and misc.health.injuries.rsi.*.

CHARTER: misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc

misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc is an unmoderated newsgroup for the discussion
of all aspects of Repetitive Strain Injuries.  RSIs have many causes, with
computing equipment playing a major role.  Everybody in the online community
who uses a keyboard or a pointing device is at risk for developing an RSI.
Most of the traffic on this newsgroup is anticipated to be of the
sufferer-to-sufferer variety.

Topics relevant for discussion include but are not limited to:

        Prevention through improved ergonomics.

        Talk about relevant medical studies.

        Diagnosis of injuries.

        Treatment of injuries.

        Workmen's compensation, insurance, and other legal issues pertaining
        to RSI.

        RSI product reviews.

        Publication of relevant RSI newsletters.

        Offering support to fellow RSI sufferers.

        I live in <your city here>:

                Which local physicians specialize in RSI?
                Which local store sells ergonomic furniture?
                Can anybody recommend a good local work-comp lawyer?
                etc...

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated

This newsgroup is dedicated to producing an educated consumer, the
most important partner in the RSI prevention and healing process.  The
FAQ orientation for this group will be posted weekly, and shall
clarify much of the RSI confusion for the reader with the fewest
possible keystrokes. Questions not answered by this orientation will
be passed to the best RSI medical authorities available.

This group's primary mission is to prevent RSI.  Its secondary mission
is to educate sufferers so that their treatment has the best chance of
success.

*All medical and ergonomic information will be dispensed by the expert
panel* This is a critical aspect of this format which sets it apart from
current discussion groups in which personal anecdotes and friendly advice
are given without regard for possible deliterious effect on others.

The expert panel's advice will never be a substitute for actual
medical treatment.  Its first priority will be to get sufferers to
proper medical attention forearmed with the knowledge to participate
as educated partners in treatment.

Your questions, answers, and comments will be submitted to an expert
panel of health care practitioners in the field of Repetitive Strain
Injuries.  Their reply to you will be posted in this group.

Your inquiry will not be handled if it appears that you have not read
the Frequently Asked Questions orientation document below.  This FAQ
has been designed to focus discussion and solve many, if not most,
computer use health questions.  It has been used in such far flung
places as Exxon in Malaysia, the World Health Organization in Geneva,
the Dallas Community Colleges, the Belgium Journalists Bureau, North
Carolina State University, and the US Food & Drug Administration.

The Panel's FAQ can be found currently at:

   <URL:http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~dwallach/tifaq/general.html#q-and-a>

Moderator: Jonathan Bailin, Ph.D. <bailin@mizar.usc.edu>
Submission address: <rsi@usc.edu>
Contact address: <rsi@usc.edu>

Expert moderation panel charter members:

Jonathan Bailin, Ph.D.--Sports Medicine & Ergonomics (Moderator)
Najmedin Meshkati, Ph.D.--Ergonomics
Karen L. Schneider, MBA, OTR, CHT--Clinical Occupational Therapy
Garry S. Brody, M.D.--Medical Director, USC Hand Rehabilitation Center
Stephen B. Schnall, M.D.--Chief of Hand Surgery USC Medical Center
Joan F. Wright, M.D.--Hand Surgery, Plastic Surgery, RSIs
John Shen, M.D.--Physical Medicine/Diagnostics
Mary Hume-Neal, M.D.--Spinal Disorders/Surgery
Michael Patzakis, M.D.--Osteomyelitis and Joint Infections
Thomas Vangsness, Jr., M.D.--Disorders/Surgery of the Knees & Shoulders


Jonathan Bailin, Ph.D.--Sports Medicine & Ergonomics (Moderator)

        During doctoral research in Exercise Physiology/Biomechanics at the
University of Southern California, Jonathan completed groundbreaking
electromyographic (EMG) research on RSIs to the forearm.  Dr. Bailin's RSI
advice has been implemented globally in locations including Exxon in
Malaysia, the World Health Organization in Geneva, the Dallas Community
Colleges, the Belgium Journalists Bureau, North Carolina State
University, and the US Food & Drug Administration.

        Currently, Jonathan produces seminars, writes and speaks on ergonomic
topics, consults for Los Angeles firms, and continues further RSI research
at USC.  He also moderates a panel of RSI experts (see below) in a newsgroup
on the USC internet called "usc.health.carpal-tunnel".  Dr. Bailin acts as
Chief Consultant for Ergotech Inc. and Medical Editor for a new ergonomics
newsletter called ErgoNews.  He can be reached at bailin@mizar.usc.edu.


Najmedin "Naj" Meshkati, Ph.D.--ERGONOMICS

Dr. Meshkati is Professor of Human Factors and Ergonomics, the Associate
Executive Director for Professional Programs at the Institute of Safety and
Systems Management, and teaches at the Department of Industrial and Systems
Engineering at the University of Southern California (USC).  Dr. Meshkati is
a Certified Professional Ergonomist (CPE # 650) and is a member of the
Review Panel for the National Research Council (NRC), which is the principal
operating agency of the National Academy of Sciences and the National
Academy of Engineering.

Dr. Meshkati has consulted for such organizations as: Aerospace Corporation,
ARCO, Aviotex Corporation, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Orange County Transit
District, Perceptronics Inc., Pneumo Abex Corporation, Rockwell
International, Semiconductor Equipment and Materials International, United
Parcel Service, the United Nations Industrial Development Organization, and
the US Navy.  He is also in the International Atomic Energy Agency's
Coordinated Research Programme on Human Error Classification and Data
Collection.


Karen L. Schneider, M.B.A., O.T.R., C.H.T.--OCCUPATIONAL THERAPIST

Ms. Schneider, is a registered occupational therapist and certified hand
therapist with 15 years of hand rehabilitation experience.  As Director and
Aministrator of the Hand Rehabilitation Center at the USC University
Hospital, Karen is versed on the many changes in workers' compensation laws
and the health care environment.  Ms. Schneider is Assistant Professor of
Clinical Occupational Therapy at USC.


Garry S. Brody, M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Brody founded and directed the first  comprehensive hand rehabilitation
center in California in the city of Downey 20 years ago.  He is past
president of the American Association for Hand Surgery and is a professor of
plastic surgery at USC.  As Medical Director of the Hand Rehabilitation
Center, Dr. Brody oversees the medical components of the program.  He is
currently president-elect of the American Society of Plastic and
Reconstructive Surgery.  Dr. Brody's special interests include chronic
trauma and upper extremity pain syndromes.


Stephen B. Schnall, M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Schnall serves as Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery and Chief
of Hand Surgery at Los Angeles County and USC Medical Centers.  He is a
Joseph H. Boyes Hand Fellow and co-directs this program at USC which is the
oldest formal fellowship for surgery of the hand in the United States.  In
1990, Dr. Schnall earned the Certificate of Added Qualifications in Surgery
of the Hand.    He is also a Fellow of the American Academy of Orthopaedic
Surgery and the American Society for Surgery of the Hand.


Joan F. Wright, M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Wright is an Assistant Professor of Clinical Surgery (Plastic and
Reconstructive) at USC University Medical Center with a Certificate of Added
Qualifications in Surgery of the Hand.  She has a special interest in
cumulative trauma disorders (CTDs) or repetitive trauma disorders linked to
repetitive activities and/or vibrating tools.  Dr. Wright is a member of the
American Society for Surgery of the hand, American College of Surgeons and
Association of Women Surgeons.


John Shen, M.D.-MEDICAL

Dr. Shen is an Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the USC
University Medical Center's Department of Orthopaedics and the Department of
Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation.  He is the Medical Center's leading
specialist in performing electromyographic and neural conduction tests for
RSIs as he is Board Certified by the American Board of Physical Medicine and
Rehabilitation and the American Board of Electrodiagnostic Medicine.


Mary Hume-Neal, M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Hume-Neal is an Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery in the
Department of Orthopaedics at the USC University Medical Center.  She is
Chief of the Orthopaedic Spine Service at the Los Angeles County and USC
University Hospital Medical Centers and is Director of the Orthopaedic Spine
Center at the University Hospital.  She has held spinal surgery fellowships
in Sweden, Switzerland, and the US.  She is a Board Certified Diplomate by
the American Board of Orthopaedic Surgery.


Michael Patzakis, M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Patzakis is Professor and Chairman of the Department of Orthopaedics at
USC's School of Medicine.  He is Chief of the Orthopaedic Infection Service
with special interests in joint infections and infected non-unions at the LA
County and USC Medical Centers.  He is Board Certified by the American Board
of Orthopaedic Surgery.


Thomas Vangsness, Jr., M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Vangsness is Associate Professor of Orthopaedics, Department of
Orthopaedics at the USC School of Medicine.  He performed a Sports Medicine
Fellowship at the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic in Inglewood, California.
He is Board Certified by the American Board of Othopaedic Surgery.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: sci.med.occupational

Sci.med.occupational is an unmoderated newsgroup for the discussion
of all occupational injury issues not covered elsewhere.  Some explicit
examples:

        eye strain, radiation, and other VDT-related problems
        various gadgets to buy/avoid
        dealing with worker's compensation, and other bureaucratic nightmares
        handicap access issues while often better suited to misc.handicap,
                could be quite relevant to the group.

Sci.med.occupational would NOT discuss:

        sports injuries and other general injuries
                (unless related to occupational)
        the use of computers in medicine
        new drugs (unless helpful for those injured)
        most of the randomness in sci.med

The majority of discussion will likely center around computer-specific
occupational injuries, although discussion could certainly deal with other
classes of occupational "blue collar" injuries.

END CHARTER.

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                      LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
           unmoderated group misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc
          moderated group misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated

Newsgroups lines:
misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc	All about Repetitive Strain Injuries.
misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated	Experts answer questions about RSI (Moderated).
sci.med.occupational	Job injuries except RSI (cf misc.health.injuries.rsi.*).

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 3 Oct 1995.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Mark Bixby <markb@cccd.edu>
Proponent: Jonathan Bailin, Ph.D. <bailin@mizar.usc.edu>
Votetaker: Jan Isley <jan@bagend.atl.ga.us>

RATIONALE: misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc

The misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc newsgroup will help address the epidemic of
computer injuries, the most infamous of which is Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
(CTS).  CTS is a particularly severe example of Repetitive Strain Injury
(RSI).  The U.S. National Center for Health Statistics estimates that over
1.89 million people in the United States alone have CTS.  Other debilitating
forms of RSI are much more prevalent.

RSIs are generally progressive in nature.  They often begin with the
sufferer experiencing mild pain while keyboarding which is ignored.  At the
point when pain begins to effect performance, appropriate intervention and
expert knowledge are critical to reducing the risk of debilitating injury or
the necessity for invasive surgery with significant rehabilitation.

Unfortunately, proper diagnosis, intervention, treatment, and rehabilitation
of RSIs is difficult to find at most primary care institutions.   This is
because advances in diagnosis, treatment, and ergonomic implications of RSI
injury are relatively new.  This explains the enormous amount of
traffic, frustration, and anger among readers of current RSI listserves.

Misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc provides a wide-ranging unmoderated forum for the
discussion of all aspects of RSIs.  The creation of this newsgroup will help
to raise the profile of RSI in both the online and medical communities,
hopefully leading to fewer injuries through prevention, as well as increased
awareness of effective treatments.

RATIONALE: misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated

The misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated newsgroup will help address the
epidemic of computer injuries, the most infamous of which is Carpal Tunnel
Syndrome (CTS).  CTS is a particularly severe example of Repetitive Strain
Injury (RSI).  The U.S. National Center for Health Statistics estimates that
over 1.89 million people in the United States alone have CTS.  Other
debilitating forms of RSI are much more prevalent.

RSIs are generally progressive in nature.  They often begin with the
sufferer experiencing mild pain while keyboarding which is ignored.  At the
point when pain begins to effect performance, appropriate intervention and
expert knowledge are critical to reducing the risk of debilitating injury or
the necessity for invasive surgery with significant rehabilitation.

Unfortunately, proper diagnosis, intervention, treatment, and rehabilitation
of RSIs is difficult to find at most primary care institutions.   This is
because advances in diagnosis, treatment, and ergonomic implications of RSI
injury are relatively new.  This explains the enourmous amount of
traffic, frustration, and anger among readers of current RSI listserves.

The medical/ergonomic issues of RSI treatment are often complex, crossing
several disciplines of the moderated group's panel members.  Proper
treatment and prevention of the injury may also require resolution of legal
and labor relations issues which this panel will not address at this time.
These legal/labor relations experts will be added as necessary.

Time is of the essence to the ocean of RSI sufferers who's careers at a
computer are threatened.  Remember, to even mildly effected RSI sufferers,
every keystroke counts.  Providing instant advice by credentialed
professionals, with a moderated group, is the most socially responsible
response to this epidemic.  In summary, this network of keyboard users
should be the first to address this endemic blight with its finest resources.

Why does RSI need a seperate moderated newsgroup?

Those who need to ask this question demonstrate a lack of appreciation for
the complexity, severity, and medical urgency of the RSI epidemic.  More
than an "epidemic", RSI is now *endemic*, or native, to the keyboarding
population.

The proposed panel of medical experts will be performing, what is essentially
"emergency duty", analogous to the preparation for medical treatment seen
during triage on the M*A*S*H television show.  Statistics prove that
comparison to the war conditions in this program is *not* inappropriate.  A
"War on RSI" is necessary!

Medical experts should not share the stage of authoritative replies with
the confusion, anger, and often medically dangerous lay advice of the RSI
audience itself.  Nor should they share this stage with the plethora of
uncredentialled "consultants" that currently try to make a living by
commanding and crowding the bulk of bandwidth in existing listserves.

In other words, if a voice of clarity and authority *can* be raised to help
stop this crippling and enormous threat brought on by our own technology,
which is even accentuated by Internet use itself, it deserves an
undisturbed forum.  And, yes, the necessity for moderation by definition
means it *should* focus attention and choose the most important issues for
medical comment.  The RSI suffering public is besieged by many distracting
concerns.

Will the panel allow posts only if it agrees with the writer?

The point about whether the panel would post only "if we personally
agree..." deserves comment.  Good medical care is not performed by gathered
consensus of public opinion or popularity of the speaker.  In contrast,
second opinions by qualified physicians concerning primary care options
should always play a role in patient decisions.  And most importantly,
cyberspace advice can never substitute for an experienced primary care
evaluation.

Preventive medical/ergonomic advice is meant to empower the sufferer to
solve their own problems in concert with qualified medical care.  These
opinions may not be the only "correct" opinions, but the recipient will
be confident that this information source represents some of the most
qualified, credentialed, and balanced medical/ergonomic authorities
available anywhere.

The principle of medical/ergonomic moderation is a critical step forward.
It is far from most current listserve postings in which amateur "medical"
advice by personal anecdote represents experimental samples of one.  This
type of advice is not meant to be malicious but can have deleterious effects.

General discussion channels can afford to let threads wind endlessly.
Current listserves provide an uncontrolled channel for misleading,
wasteful, politicized, angry, and distracting dialogue which is very often
irrelevent to resolution of a health issues.  This type of venting may serve
a valuable role in the larger perspective, but to allow it to obfuscate
medical advice serves no one.  This is not unusual as all therapeutic
modalities require professional moderation and direction to focus attention
on healing!

RATIONALE: sci.med.occupational

Misc.health.injuries.rsi.* is intended to be the primary place to talk about
Repetitive Strain Injuries on Usenet, and so the *only* modification being
done to the existing sci.med.occupational charter is to remove the explicit
references to RSI.  This should reduce the chance for confusion between
sci.med.occupational and misc.health.injuries.rsi.*.

CHARTER: misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc

misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc is an unmoderated newsgroup for the discussion
of all aspects of Repetitive Strain Injuries.  RSIs have many causes, with
computing equipment playing a major role.  Everybody in the online community
who uses a keyboard or a pointing device is at risk for developing an RSI.
Most of the traffic on this newsgroup is anticipated to be of the
sufferer-to-sufferer variety.

Topics relevant for discussion include but are not limited to:

        Prevention through improved ergonomics.

        Talk about relevant medical studies.

        Diagnosis of injuries.

        Treatment of injuries.

        Workmen's compensation, insurance, and other legal issues pertaining
        to RSI.

        RSI product reviews.

        Publication of relevant RSI newsletters.

        Offering support to fellow RSI sufferers.

        I live in <your city here>:

                Which local physicians specialize in RSI?
                Which local store sells ergonomic furniture?
                Can anybody recommend a good local work-comp lawyer?
                etc...

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated

This newsgroup is dedicated to producing an educated consumer, the
most important partner in the RSI prevention and healing process.  The
FAQ orientation for this group will be posted weekly, and shall
clarify much of the RSI confusion for the reader with the fewest
possible keystrokes. Questions not answered by this orientation will
be passed to the best RSI medical authorities available.

This group's primary mission is to prevent RSI.  Its secondary mission
is to educate sufferers so that their treatment has the best chance of
success.

*All medical and ergonomic information will be dispensed by the expert
panel* This is a critical aspect of this format which sets it apart from
current discussion groups in which personal anecdotes and friendly advice
are given without regard for possible deliterious effect on others.

The expert panel's advice will never be a substitute for actual
medical treatment.  Its first priority will be to get sufferers to
proper medical attention forearmed with the knowledge to participate
as educated partners in treatment.

Your questions, answers, and comments will be submitted to an expert
panel of health care practitioners in the field of Repetitive Strain
Injuries.  Their reply to you will be posted in this group.

Your inquiry will not be handled if it appears that you have not read
the Frequently Asked Questions orientation document below.  This FAQ
has been designed to focus discussion and solve many, if not most,
computer use health questions.  It has been used in such far flung
places as Exxon in Malaysia, the World Health Organization in Geneva,
the Dallas Community Colleges, the Belgium Journalists Bureau, North
Carolina State University, and the US Food & Drug Administration.

The Panel's FAQ can be found currently at:

   <URL:http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~dwallach/tifaq/general.html#q-and-a>

Moderator: Jonathan Bailin, Ph.D. <bailin@mizar.usc.edu>
Submission address: <rsi@usc.edu>
Contact address: <rsi@usc.edu>

Expert moderation panel charter members:

Jonathan Bailin, Ph.D.--Sports Medicine & Ergonomics (Moderator)
Najmedin Meshkati, Ph.D.--Ergonomics
Karen L. Schneider, MBA, OTR, CHT--Clinical Occupational Therapy
Garry S. Brody, M.D.--Medical Director, USC Hand Rehabilitation Center
Stephen B. Schnall, M.D.--Chief of Hand Surgery USC Medical Center
Joan F. Wright, M.D.--Hand Surgery, Plastic Surgery, RSIs
John Shen, M.D.--Physical Medicine/Diagnostics
Mary Hume-Neal, M.D.--Spinal Disorders/Surgery
Michael Patzakis, M.D.--Osteomyelitis and Joint Infections
Thomas Vangsness, Jr., M.D.--Disorders/Surgery of the Knees & Shoulders


Jonathan Bailin, Ph.D.--Sports Medicine & Ergonomics (Moderator)

        During doctoral research in Exercise Physiology/Biomechanics at the
University of Southern California, Jonathan completed groundbreaking
electromyographic (EMG) research on RSIs to the forearm.  Dr. Bailin's RSI
advice has been implemented globally in locations including Exxon in
Malaysia, the World Health Organization in Geneva, the Dallas Community
Colleges, the Belgium Journalists Bureau, North Carolina State
University, and the US Food & Drug Administration.

        Currently, Jonathan produces seminars, writes and speaks on ergonomic
topics, consults for Los Angeles firms, and continues further RSI research
at USC.  He also moderates a panel of RSI experts (see below) in a newsgroup
on the USC internet called "usc.health.carpal-tunnel".  Dr. Bailin acts as
Chief Consultant for Ergotech Inc. and Medical Editor for a new ergonomics
newsletter called ErgoNews.  He can be reached at bailin@mizar.usc.edu.


Najmedin "Naj" Meshkati, Ph.D.--ERGONOMICS

Dr. Meshkati is Professor of Human Factors and Ergonomics, the Associate
Executive Director for Professional Programs at the Institute of Safety and
Systems Management, and teaches at the Department of Industrial and Systems
Engineering at the University of Southern California (USC).  Dr. Meshkati is
a Certified Professional Ergonomist (CPE # 650) and is a member of the
Review Panel for the National Research Council (NRC), which is the principal
operating agency of the National Academy of Sciences and the National
Academy of Engineering.

Dr. Meshkati has consulted for such organizations as: Aerospace Corporation,
ARCO, Aviotex Corporation, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Orange County Transit
District, Perceptronics Inc., Pneumo Abex Corporation, Rockwell
International, Semiconductor Equipment and Materials International, United
Parcel Service, the United Nations Industrial Development Organization, and
the US Navy.  He is also in the International Atomic Energy Agency's
Coordinated Research Programme on Human Error Classification and Data
Collection.


Karen L. Schneider, M.B.A., O.T.R., C.H.T.--OCCUPATIONAL THERAPIST

Ms. Schneider, is a registered occupational therapist and certified hand
therapist with 15 years of hand rehabilitation experience.  As Director and
Aministrator of the Hand Rehabilitation Center at the USC University
Hospital, Karen is versed on the many changes in workers' compensation laws
and the health care environment.  Ms. Schneider is Assistant Professor of
Clinical Occupational Therapy at USC.


Garry S. Brody, M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Brody founded and directed the first  comprehensive hand rehabilitation
center in California in the city of Downey 20 years ago.  He is past
president of the American Association for Hand Surgery and is a professor of
plastic surgery at USC.  As Medical Director of the Hand Rehabilitation
Center, Dr. Brody oversees the medical components of the program.  He is
currently president-elect of the American Society of Plastic and
Reconstructive Surgery.  Dr. Brody's special interests include chronic
trauma and upper extremity pain syndromes.


Stephen B. Schnall, M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Schnall serves as Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery and Chief
of Hand Surgery at Los Angeles County and USC Medical Centers.  He is a
Joseph H. Boyes Hand Fellow and co-directs this program at USC which is the
oldest formal fellowship for surgery of the hand in the United States.  In
1990, Dr. Schnall earned the Certificate of Added Qualifications in Surgery
of the Hand.    He is also a Fellow of the American Academy of Orthopaedic
Surgery and the American Society for Surgery of the Hand.


Joan F. Wright, M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Wright is an Assistant Professor of Clinical Surgery (Plastic and
Reconstructive) at USC University Medical Center with a Certificate of Added
Qualifications in Surgery of the Hand.  She has a special interest in
cumulative trauma disorders (CTDs) or repetitive trauma disorders linked to
repetitive activities and/or vibrating tools.  Dr. Wright is a member of the
American Society for Surgery of the hand, American College of Surgeons and
Association of Women Surgeons.


John Shen, M.D.-MEDICAL

Dr. Shen is an Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the USC
University Medical Center's Department of Orthopaedics and the Department of
Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation.  He is the Medical Center's leading
specialist in performing electromyographic and neural conduction tests for
RSIs as he is Board Certified by the American Board of Physical Medicine and
Rehabilitation and the American Board of Electrodiagnostic Medicine.


Mary Hume-Neal, M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Hume-Neal is an Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery in the
Department of Orthopaedics at the USC University Medical Center.  She is
Chief of the Orthopaedic Spine Service at the Los Angeles County and USC
University Hospital Medical Centers and is Director of the Orthopaedic Spine
Center at the University Hospital.  She has held spinal surgery fellowships
in Sweden, Switzerland, and the US.  She is a Board Certified Diplomate by
the American Board of Orthopaedic Surgery.


Michael Patzakis, M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Patzakis is Professor and Chairman of the Department of Orthopaedics at
USC's School of Medicine.  He is Chief of the Orthopaedic Infection Service
with special interests in joint infections and infected non-unions at the LA
County and USC Medical Centers.  He is Board Certified by the American Board
of Orthopaedic Surgery.


Thomas Vangsness, Jr., M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Vangsness is Associate Professor of Orthopaedics, Department of
Orthopaedics at the USC School of Medicine.  He performed a Sports Medicine
Fellowship at the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic in Inglewood, California.
He is Board Certified by the American Board of Othopaedic Surgery.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: sci.med.occupational

Sci.med.occupational is an unmoderated newsgroup for the discussion
of all occupational injury issues not covered elsewhere.  Some explicit
examples:

        eye strain, radiation, and other VDT-related problems
        various gadgets to buy/avoid
        dealing with worker's compensation, and other bureaucratic nightmares
        handicap access issues while often better suited to misc.handicap,
                could be quite relevant to the group.

Sci.med.occupational would NOT discuss:

        sports injuries and other general injuries
                (unless related to occupational)
        the use of computers in medicine
        new drugs (unless helpful for those injured)
        most of the randomness in sci.med

The majority of discussion will likely center around computer-specific
occupational injuries, although discussion could certainly deal with other
classes of occupational "blue collar" injuries.

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                                RESULT
    unmoderated group misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc passes 165:25
   moderated group misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated passes 172:20

misc.health.injuries.rsi.* results - 202 valid votes

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misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc	All about Repetitive Strain Injuries.
misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated	Experts answer questions about RSI (Moderated).

Voting closed on 23:59:59 UTC, 3 Oct 1995.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Mark Bixby <markb@cccd.edu>
Proponent: Jonathan Bailin, Ph.D. <bailin@mizar.usc.edu>
Votetaker: Jan Isley <jan@bagend.atl.ga.us>

RATIONALE: misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc

The misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc newsgroup will help address the epidemic of
computer injuries, the most infamous of which is Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
(CTS).  CTS is a particularly severe example of Repetitive Strain Injury
(RSI).  The U.S. National Center for Health Statistics estimates that over
1.89 million people in the United States alone have CTS.  Other debilitating
forms of RSI are much more prevalent.

RSIs are generally progressive in nature.  They often begin with the
sufferer experiencing mild pain while keyboarding which is ignored.  At the
point when pain begins to effect performance, appropriate intervention and
expert knowledge are critical to reducing the risk of debilitating injury or
the necessity for invasive surgery with significant rehabilitation.

Unfortunately, proper diagnosis, intervention, treatment, and rehabilitation
of RSIs is difficult to find at most primary care institutions.   This is
because advances in diagnosis, treatment, and ergonomic implications of RSI
injury are relatively new.  This explains the enormous amount of
traffic, frustration, and anger among readers of current RSI listserves.

Misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc provides a wide-ranging unmoderated forum for the
discussion of all aspects of RSIs.  The creation of this newsgroup will help
to raise the profile of RSI in both the online and medical communities,
hopefully leading to fewer injuries through prevention, as well as increased
awareness of effective treatments.

RATIONALE: misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated

The misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated newsgroup will help address the
epidemic of computer injuries, the most infamous of which is Carpal Tunnel
Syndrome (CTS).  CTS is a particularly severe example of Repetitive Strain
Injury (RSI).  The U.S. National Center for Health Statistics estimates that
over 1.89 million people in the United States alone have CTS.  Other
debilitating forms of RSI are much more prevalent.

RSIs are generally progressive in nature.  They often begin with the
sufferer experiencing mild pain while keyboarding which is ignored.  At the
point when pain begins to effect performance, appropriate intervention and
expert knowledge are critical to reducing the risk of debilitating injury or
the necessity for invasive surgery with significant rehabilitation.

Unfortunately, proper diagnosis, intervention, treatment, and rehabilitation
of RSIs is difficult to find at most primary care institutions.   This is
because advances in diagnosis, treatment, and ergonomic implications of RSI
injury are relatively new.  This explains the enourmous amount of
traffic, frustration, and anger among readers of current RSI listserves.

The medical/ergonomic issues of RSI treatment are often complex, crossing
several disciplines of the moderated group's panel members.  Proper
treatment and prevention of the injury may also require resolution of legal
and labor relations issues which this panel will not address at this time.
These legal/labor relations experts will be added as necessary.

Time is of the essence to the ocean of RSI sufferers who's careers at a
computer are threatened.  Remember, to even mildly effected RSI sufferers,
every keystroke counts.  Providing instant advice by credentialed
professionals, with a moderated group, is the most socially responsible
response to this epidemic.  In summary, this network of keyboard users
should be the first to address this endemic blight with its finest resources.

Why does RSI need a seperate moderated newsgroup?

Those who need to ask this question demonstrate a lack of appreciation for
the complexity, severity, and medical urgency of the RSI epidemic.  More
than an "epidemic", RSI is now *endemic*, or native, to the keyboarding
population.

The proposed panel of medical experts will be performing, what is essentially
"emergency duty", analogous to the preparation for medical treatment seen
during triage on the M*A*S*H television show.  Statistics prove that
comparison to the war conditions in this program is *not* inappropriate.  A
"War on RSI" is necessary!

Medical experts should not share the stage of authoritative replies with
the confusion, anger, and often medically dangerous lay advice of the RSI
audience itself.  Nor should they share this stage with the plethora of
uncredentialled "consultants" that currently try to make a living by
commanding and crowding the bulk of bandwidth in existing listserves.

In other words, if a voice of clarity and authority *can* be raised to help
stop this crippling and enormous threat brought on by our own technology,
which is even accentuated by Internet use itself, it deserves an
undisturbed forum.  And, yes, the necessity for moderation by definition
means it *should* focus attention and choose the most important issues for
medical comment.  The RSI suffering public is besieged by many distracting
concerns.

Will the panel allow posts only if it agrees with the writer?

The point about whether the panel would post only "if we personally
agree..." deserves comment.  Good medical care is not performed by gathered
consensus of public opinion or popularity of the speaker.  In contrast,
second opinions by qualified physicians concerning primary care options
should always play a role in patient decisions.  And most importantly,
cyberspace advice can never substitute for an experienced primary care
evaluation.

Preventive medical/ergonomic advice is meant to empower the sufferer to
solve their own problems in concert with qualified medical care.  These
opinions may not be the only "correct" opinions, but the recipient will
be confident that this information source represents some of the most
qualified, credentialed, and balanced medical/ergonomic authorities
available anywhere.

The principle of medical/ergonomic moderation is a critical step forward.
It is far from most current listserve postings in which amateur "medical"
advice by personal anecdote represents experimental samples of one.  This
type of advice is not meant to be malicious but can have deleterious effects.

General discussion channels can afford to let threads wind endlessly.
Current listserves provide an uncontrolled channel for misleading,
wasteful, politicized, angry, and distracting dialogue which is very often
irrelevent to resolution of a health issues.  This type of venting may serve
a valuable role in the larger perspective, but to allow it to obfuscate
medical advice serves no one.  This is not unusual as all therapeutic
modalities require professional moderation and direction to focus attention
on healing!

CHARTER: misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc

misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc is an unmoderated newsgroup for the discussion
of all aspects of Repetitive Strain Injuries.  RSIs have many causes, with
computing equipment playing a major role.  Everybody in the online community
who uses a keyboard or a pointing device is at risk for developing an RSI.
Most of the traffic on this newsgroup is anticipated to be of the
sufferer-to-sufferer variety.

Topics relevant for discussion include but are not limited to:

        Prevention through improved ergonomics.

        Talk about relevant medical studies.

        Diagnosis of injuries.

        Treatment of injuries.

        Workmen's compensation, insurance, and other legal issues pertaining
        to RSI.

        RSI product reviews.

        Publication of relevant RSI newsletters.

        Offering support to fellow RSI sufferers.

        I live in <your city here>:

                Which local physicians specialize in RSI?
                Which local store sells ergonomic furniture?
                Can anybody recommend a good local work-comp lawyer?
                etc...

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated

This newsgroup is dedicated to producing an educated consumer, the
most important partner in the RSI prevention and healing process.  The
FAQ orientation for this group will be posted weekly, and shall
clarify much of the RSI confusion for the reader with the fewest
possible keystrokes. Questions not answered by this orientation will
be passed to the best RSI medical authorities available.

This group's primary mission is to prevent RSI.  Its secondary mission
is to educate sufferers so that their treatment has the best chance of
success.

*All medical and ergonomic information will be dispensed by the expert
panel* This is a critical aspect of this format which sets it apart from
current discussion groups in which personal anecdotes and friendly advice
are given without regard for possible deliterious effect on others.

The expert panel's advice will never be a substitute for actual
medical treatment.  Its first priority will be to get sufferers to
proper medical attention forearmed with the knowledge to participate
as educated partners in treatment.

Your questions, answers, and comments will be submitted to an expert
panel of health care practitioners in the field of Repetitive Strain
Injuries.  Their reply to you will be posted in this group.

Your inquiry will not be handled if it appears that you have not read
the Frequently Asked Questions orientation document below.  This FAQ
has been designed to focus discussion and solve many, if not most,
computer use health questions.  It has been used in such far flung
places as Exxon in Malaysia, the World Health Organization in Geneva,
the Dallas Community Colleges, the Belgium Journalists Bureau, North
Carolina State University, and the US Food & Drug Administration.

The Panel's FAQ can be found currently at:

   <URL:http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~dwallach/tifaq/general.html#q-and-a>

Expert moderation panel charter members:

Jonathan Bailin, Ph.D.--Sports Medicine & Ergonomics (Moderator)
Najmedin Meshkati, Ph.D.--Ergonomics
Karen L. Schneider, MBA, OTR, CHT--Clinical Occupational Therapy
Garry S. Brody, M.D.--Medical Director, USC Hand Rehabilitation Center
Stephen B. Schnall, M.D.--Chief of Hand Surgery USC Medical Center
Joan F. Wright, M.D.--Hand Surgery, Plastic Surgery, RSIs
John Shen, M.D.--Physical Medicine/Diagnostics
Mary Hume-Neal, M.D.--Spinal Disorders/Surgery
Michael Patzakis, M.D.--Osteomyelitis and Joint Infections
Thomas Vangsness, Jr., M.D.--Disorders/Surgery of the Knees & Shoulders


Jonathan Bailin, Ph.D.--Sports Medicine & Ergonomics (Moderator)

        During doctoral research in Exercise Physiology/Biomechanics at the
University of Southern California, Jonathan completed groundbreaking
electromyographic (EMG) research on RSIs to the forearm.  Dr. Bailin's RSI
advice has been implemented globally in locations including Exxon in
Malaysia, the World Health Organization in Geneva, the Dallas Community
Colleges, the Belgium Journalists Bureau, North Carolina State
University, and the US Food & Drug Administration.

        Currently, Jonathan produces seminars, writes and speaks on ergonomic
topics, consults for Los Angeles firms, and continues further RSI research
at USC.  He also moderates a panel of RSI experts (see below) in a newsgroup
on the USC internet called "usc.health.carpal-tunnel".  Dr. Bailin acts as
Chief Consultant for Ergotech Inc. and Medical Editor for a new ergonomics
newsletter called ErgoNews.  He can be reached at bailin@mizar.usc.edu.


Najmedin "Naj" Meshkati, Ph.D.--ERGONOMICS

Dr. Meshkati is Professor of Human Factors and Ergonomics, the Associate
Executive Director for Professional Programs at the Institute of Safety and
Systems Management, and teaches at the Department of Industrial and Systems
Engineering at the University of Southern California (USC).  Dr. Meshkati is
a Certified Professional Ergonomist (CPE # 650) and is a member of the
Review Panel for the National Research Council (NRC), which is the principal
operating agency of the National Academy of Sciences and the National
Academy of Engineering.

Dr. Meshkati has consulted for such organizations as: Aerospace Corporation,
ARCO, Aviotex Corporation, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Orange County Transit
District, Perceptronics Inc., Pneumo Abex Corporation, Rockwell
International, Semiconductor Equipment and Materials International, United
Parcel Service, the United Nations Industrial Development Organization, and
the US Navy.  He is also in the International Atomic Energy Agency's
Coordinated Research Programme on Human Error Classification and Data
Collection.


Karen L. Schneider, M.B.A., O.T.R., C.H.T.--OCCUPATIONAL THERAPIST

Ms. Schneider, is a registered occupational therapist and certified hand
therapist with 15 years of hand rehabilitation experience.  As Director and
Aministrator of the Hand Rehabilitation Center at the USC University
Hospital, Karen is versed on the many changes in workers' compensation laws
and the health care environment.  Ms. Schneider is Assistant Professor of
Clinical Occupational Therapy at USC.


Garry S. Brody, M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Brody founded and directed the first  comprehensive hand rehabilitation
center in California in the city of Downey 20 years ago.  He is past
president of the American Association for Hand Surgery and is a professor of
plastic surgery at USC.  As Medical Director of the Hand Rehabilitation
Center, Dr. Brody oversees the medical components of the program.  He is
currently president-elect of the American Society of Plastic and
Reconstructive Surgery.  Dr. Brody's special interests include chronic
trauma and upper extremity pain syndromes.


Stephen B. Schnall, M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Schnall serves as Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery and Chief
of Hand Surgery at Los Angeles County and USC Medical Centers.  He is a
Joseph H. Boyes Hand Fellow and co-directs this program at USC which is the
oldest formal fellowship for surgery of the hand in the United States.  In
1990, Dr. Schnall earned the Certificate of Added Qualifications in Surgery
of the Hand.    He is also a Fellow of the American Academy of Orthopaedic
Surgery and the American Society for Surgery of the Hand.


Joan F. Wright, M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Wright is an Assistant Professor of Clinical Surgery (Plastic and
Reconstructive) at USC University Medical Center with a Certificate of Added
Qualifications in Surgery of the Hand.  She has a special interest in
cumulative trauma disorders (CTDs) or repetitive trauma disorders linked to
repetitive activities and/or vibrating tools.  Dr. Wright is a member of the
American Society for Surgery of the hand, American College of Surgeons and
Association of Women Surgeons.


John Shen, M.D.-MEDICAL

Dr. Shen is an Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the USC
University Medical Center's Department of Orthopaedics and the Department of
Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation.  He is the Medical Center's leading
specialist in performing electromyographic and neural conduction tests for
RSIs as he is Board Certified by the American Board of Physical Medicine and
Rehabilitation and the American Board of Electrodiagnostic Medicine.


Mary Hume-Neal, M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Hume-Neal is an Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery in the
Department of Orthopaedics at the USC University Medical Center.  She is
Chief of the Orthopaedic Spine Service at the Los Angeles County and USC
University Hospital Medical Centers and is Director of the Orthopaedic Spine
Center at the University Hospital.  She has held spinal surgery fellowships
in Sweden, Switzerland, and the US.  She is a Board Certified Diplomate by
the American Board of Orthopaedic Surgery.


Michael Patzakis, M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Patzakis is Professor and Chairman of the Department of Orthopaedics at
USC's School of Medicine.  He is Chief of the Orthopaedic Infection Service
with special interests in joint infections and infected non-unions at the LA
County and USC Medical Centers.  He is Board Certified by the American Board
of Orthopaedic Surgery.


Thomas Vangsness, Jr., M.D.--MEDICAL

Dr. Vangsness is Associate Professor of Orthopaedics, Department of
Orthopaedics at the USC School of Medicine.  He performed a Sports Medicine
Fellowship at the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic in Inglewood, California.
He is Board Certified by the American Board of Othopaedic Surgery.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated

Moderator: "Jonathan Bailin, Ph.D." <bailin@mizar.usc.edu>
Administrative contact address: rsi@usc.edu
Article submission address: rsi@usc.edu

END MODERATOR INFO.

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72702.1276@compuserve.com                                   Barna Barath YY
a.oballe@mail.utexas.edu                                  Alison O'Balle YY
a.rudnitsky@techsmith.com                                 Andy Rudnitsky YY
abackman@chat.carleton.ca                                 andrea backman YY
ac830@freenet.hamilton.on.ca                              Carolyn Feeney YY
acheng@ncsa.uiuc.edu                                        Albert Cheng -N
adonlan@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu                              Andrew K. Donlan YY
ADP2C@msu.edu                                     Robert Kelly Fairbanks YY
ahanley@usace.mil                                             Art Hanley YY
ajackson@shell.com                              Alan K. Jackson 544-4442 YY
al715@yfn.ysu.edu                                           Tina M. Wood YY
ALLAN@novell.com                                        Allan B. Spiegel YY
andy@mispost.dundee.ATTGIS.COM                              Andrew Scott YY
andyl@harlequin.com                                           Andy Latto NY
annef1@ix.netcom.com                             Anne M. Federwisch, OTR YY
arh@cix.compulink.co.uk                                    Andrew Henson YY
arielle@taronga.com                                   Stephanie da Silva YY
arromdee@blaze.cs.jhu.edu                                   Ken Arromdee N-
bafelice@artsci.wustl.edu                                  Beth A Felice YY
bailin@bcf.usc.edu                                Jonathan Bailin, Ph.D. YY
barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu                                Daniel Barrett YY
Bart@acm.org                                               Bart Van Roey YY
BECK@Cerritos.edu                                            Leslie Beck YY
bf0r+@andrew.cmu.edu                                    Baruch Fischhoff YY
Bgpvideo@ix.netcom.com                                      Janet Garvin YY
bjv@herbison.com                                           B.J. Herbison YY
bobleigh@world.std.com                                         Bob Leigh YY
brus@netcom.com                                              Brus Wasson YY
bryan@novell.com                                           Bryan Cardoza YY
brynn@isd.llnl.gov                                       Brynn Bollinger YY
BURSTA@HILLWPOS.HILL.AF.MIL                          Annette Burst, M.D. NY
b_weissm@kla.com                                            Bob Weissman YY
cdaniel@essatech.com                                        Colin Daniel NY
chopla@magi.com                                               Larry Chop YY
chrism@kate.ccohs.ca                                         Chris Moore YY
chucko@best.com                                                Chuck Fry YY
clandesm@panix.com                                       Cliff Landesman YY
crouchkp@flidh103.delcoelect.com                        Kenneth P Crouch --
cyndi.johnson@mail.utexas.edu                              Cyndi Johnson YY
david.wexler@elex.co.il                                                  YY
davidh@harlequin.co.uk                                     David Hembrow YY
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jamie@csd.uwo.ca                                          Jamie Blustein NY
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joe@decoy.uoregon.edu                                      Joe St Sauver YY
jonboy@io.org                                             Trevor Tymchuk Y-
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lani@lava.net                                                  Mama Lani YY
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mwise@sjpubs01.sj.unisys.com                                   Mary Wise YY
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