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From [email protected] Thu Feb 18 23:10:53 1993
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Subject: RFD: sci.chaos
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              R E Q U E S T  F O R  D I S C U S S I O N

    This is a Request For Discussion on the creation of a new, unmoderated,
newsgroup within which nonlinear dynamical systems, especially those
exhibiting chaotic behavior, will be discussed.  The systems may be
physical, mathematical or any other type.

                S U G G E S T E D  N A M E
                __________________________

                sci.complexity
                sci.math.nonlinear
                sci.chaos

                S T A T U S
                ___________

                Unmoderated

                B A C K G R O U N D
                ___________________

     Within the past decade the study of chaotic behavior in nonlinear
dynamical systems has grown enormously in both quantity and depth.
At first, chaotic behavior was perceived to be a beautiful, intriguing, yet
esoteric phenomenon.  However, recent developments in this exceedingly
rich field have brought it to the attention of diverse groups of people
ranging from the layman to the mathematician to the physicist to the
chemist to the ecologist to the economist to the biologist to the computer
scientist to the fluid dynamicist and more.
     The interdisciplinary nature of this field is perhaps a unique one
and has already brought the above mentioned groups together more
coherently than they may have been for a long time.  What are these
recent developments?  Aside from the discovery of chaotic behavior in all
of these fields, scientists have recently been able to take advantage of
the chaotic behavior and use this chaos to better control the system!
     So what is chaos?  This may very well be one of the widely discussed
topics in this group if it is formed.  However, sensitive dependence on
initial conditions is a common definition.  Or some people look at the
largest Lyaponuv exponent of the system and if it is positive  that is an
indicator that chaos may be present.  Another definition is due to
Ferdinand Verhulst in his book  _Nonlinear Differential Equations and
Dynamical Systems_ .  That is :
"A point x_0 is called an aperiodic point of the mapping f in the equation
N_(t+1)=f(N_t) if the orbit of x_0 is bounded and if no k (is an element of)
 N exists such that the limit as n -> infinity of f^(nk){x_0} exists.
In this case the mapping f is called chaotic."
A few more definitions, thanks to David Doff follow:
    i)The apparently paradoxical combination of both order and randomness
    ii) A deterministic system which exhibits random behavior.
    iii) Structured randomness
    iv) a system whose predictability decreases as a function of look
        ahead time.
One of the beautiful things about chaos is the order within perceived
disorder.  The orbit is bounded yet never becomes periodic, no matter
how long the system runs!

                P U R P O S E
                _____________

To discuss any research being done in this field, to answer any questions
people may have about chaotic systems, to announce any seminars, discussions
or meetings which may be held concerning chaos, to exchange ideas and try
out new ones, to have fun!  While there are already two groups which I am
aware of which discuss similar topics, namely comp.theory.dynamic-sys and
sci.fractals, there is a definite need for a group which is limited to
neither the computational aspect (comp.theory.dynamis-sys), nor fractals
(sci.fractals), which while inevitably encountered while studying chaotic
systems, many commonly discussed fractals have nothing to do with chaos.
For example most fractals in nature( rivers, trees, shorelines etc.) are
random. Mathematical fractals(Koch snowflakes etc.) on the other hand are
ordered. (Thanks to David Doff for the material on fractals)

                S C H E D U L E  O F  R F D
                ___________________________  

This was instigated on February 15 1993 and will last for 30 days.  Assuming
a consensus is obtained in that 30 days, we will institute a Call For Votes
within 5 days of the end of the RFD period.  The voting will continue for
30 days, ending at 11:59pm (PST) of the 30th day.

Thanks for reading this far, and for participating in this RFD!

From [email protected] Mon Mar 29 20:35:08 1993
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Subject: 2nd RFD: sci.chaos (or sci.???)
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            2nd  R E Q U E S T  F O R  D I S C U S S I O N

    This is the 2nd Request For Discussion on the creation of a new, 
unmoderated,
newsgroup within which nonlinear dynamical systems, especially those
exhibiting chaotic behavior, will be discussed.  The systems may be
physical, mathematical or any other type.

    The only real disagreement has been about what to call the group.
The following names have been suggested.  I would like to run an
*informal* poll to see what the majority thinks.  Please e-mail your 
First choice for the name of this group, should it pass, to:
                     [email protected]
I will summarize the data to the net sometime before the CFV.
If you have other suggestions than the ones below, please feel free
to send them.

                S U G G E S T E D  N A M E S
                ____________________________

                sci.complexity
                sci.math.chaos
                sci.math.nonlinear
                sci.chaos

                S T A T U S
                ___________

                Unmoderated

                B A C K G R O U N D
                ___________________

     Within the past decade the study of chaotic behavior in nonlinear
dynamical systems has grown enormously in both quantity and depth.
At first, chaotic behavior was perceived to be a beautiful, intriguing, yet
esoteric phenomenon.  However, recent developments in this exceedingly
rich field have brought it to the attention of diverse groups of people
ranging from the layman to the mathematician to the physicist to the
chemist to the ecologist to the economist to the biologist to the computer
scientist to the fluid dynamicist and more.
     The interdisciplinary nature of this field is perhaps a unique one
and has already brought the above mentioned groups together more
coherently than they may have been for a long time.  What are these
recent developments?  Aside from the discovery of chaotic behavior in all
of these fields, scientists have recently been able to take advantage of
the chaotic behavior and use this chaos to better control the system!
     So what is chaos?  This may very well be one of the widely discussed
topics in this group if it is formed.  However, sensitive dependence on
initial conditions is a common definition.  Or some people look at the
largest Lyaponuv exponent of the system and if it is positive  that is an
indicator that chaos may be present.  Another definition is due to
Ferdinand Verhulst in his book  _Nonlinear Differential Equations and
Dynamical Systems_ .  That is :
"A point x_0 is called an aperiodic point of the mapping f in the equation
N_(t+1)=f(N_t) if the orbit of x_0 is bounded and if no k (is an element of)
 N exists such that the limit as n -> infinity of f^(nk){x_0} exists.
In this case the mapping f is called chaotic."
A few more definitions, thanks to David Doff follow:
    i)The apparently paradoxical combination of both order and randomness
    ii) A deterministic system which exhibits random behavior.
    iii) Structured randomness
    iv) a system whose predictability decreases as a function of look
        ahead time.
One of the beautiful things about chaos is the order within perceived
disorder.  The orbit is bounded yet never becomes periodic, no matter
how long the system runs!

                P U R P O S E
                _____________

To discuss any research being done in this field, to answer any questions
people may have about chaotic systems, to announce any seminars, discussions
or meetings which may be held concerning chaos, to exchange ideas and try
out new ones, to have fun!  While there are already two groups which I am
aware of which discuss similar topics, namely comp.theory.dynamic-sys and
sci.fractals, there is a definite need for a group which is limited to
neither the computational aspect (comp.theory.dynamis-sys), nor fractals
(sci.fractals), which while inevitably encountered while studying chaotic
systems, many commonly discussed fractals have nothing to do with chaos.
For example most fractals in nature( rivers, trees, shorelines etc.) are
random. Mathematical fractals(Koch snowflakes etc.) on the other hand are
ordered. (Thanks to David Doff for the material on fractals)

                S C H E D U L E  O F  R F D
                ___________________________  

This was instigated on February 15 1993 and will last for 30 days.  Assuming
a consensus is obtained in that 30 days, we will institute a Call For Votes
within 5 days of the end of the RFD period.  The voting will continue for
30 days, ending at 11:59pm (PST) of the 30th day.

Thanks for reading this far, and for participating in this RFD!

From [email protected] Thu May  6 14:55:59 1993
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From: [email protected] (Joe Caddell)
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Subject: CFV: sci.nonlinear
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__________________C F V___________________________________________________

This is a Call For Votes for the creation of the news group sci.nonlinear. 
The original RFD had the name as sci.chaos, but after extensive polling, it 
has been determined that more people prefer the name sci.nonlinear than 
prefer the name sci.chaos.  Therefore this is a vote for sci.nonlinear.

__________________A B S T R A C T_________________________________________

The RFD was instigated on February 15th.  This CFV is being posted on April 
30, 1993 and will last until May 31, 1993 23:59 PDT.  To vote *For* the 
creation of this group, send e-mail with the message "I vote yes on the 
creation of the group sci.nonlinear" to [email protected]  To vote 
*Against* the creation of this group, send e-mail with the message "I vote no
on the creation of the group sci.nonlinear" to [email protected]

__________________S T A T U S_____________________________________________

Sci.Nonlinear will be an unmoderated group

__________________V O T I N G_____________________________________________

The voting period will last from April 30, 1993 until 23:59 hours PDT on May 
31, 1993.  

                  To vote *FOR* the creation of the group:

                 Send a message saying "I vote yes on the creation of the 
group sci.nonlinear" to [email protected]

                  To vote *AGAINST* the creation of the group:

                 Send a message saying "I vote no on the creation of the 
group sci.nonlinear" to [email protected]

__________________C H A R T E R___________________________________________

The purpose of this group is to provide a forum for the exchange of ideas in 
the area of nonlinear science, to discuss any research being done in this 
field, to provide a means for questions to be answered which people may have 
concerning nonlinear systems, to announce any conferences, seminars or 
meetings which may be held concerning nonlinear systems, to exchange ideas,
to try out new ones, and to have fun!  The topics of discussion will include,
but not be limited to, chaotic systems.  Any system which is nonlinear in 
behavior will be considered as being covered under this charter.  The 
expectation, in creating this group, is that people from a wide range of
backgrounds that are interested in nonlinear systems will participate in the
discussions.  Specifically, it is hoped that theory and experiment will both
be involved, as well as a wide variety of disciplines.

From [email protected] Fri Jun 11 15:57:19 1993
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Subject: RESULT: sci.nonlinear passes 216:12
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Here, Finally are the results from the sci.nonlinear CFV.
There were 216 votes for the creation of sci.nonlinear and
12 votes against the creation of sci.nonlinear.  Thus the
group passes. 

I would like to thank everyone for their patience and participation
in this CFV, as well as in the (numerous) name polls.  Enjoy!

          Y E S  V O T E S

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