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From [email protected] Sun Jan 22 22:52:51 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Kaya Bekiroglu <[email protected]> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.college,misc.education,alt.kids-talk,misc.kids,alt.parents-teens Subject: RFD: soc.college.admissions Followup-To: news.groups Date: 22 Jan 1995 20:14:13 -0500 Organization: neu.edu Lines: 61 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:6214 news.groups:130707 soc.college:35468 misc.education:25496 alt.kids-talk:54175 misc.kids:166239 alt.parents-teens:5655  This RFD is being cross-posted to the following relevant groups:         news.groups        soc.college        misc.education        alt.kids-talk        misc.kids        alt.parents-teens  Request for Discussion (RFD)  Newsgroup     :      soc.college.admissions Status        :      unmoderated Distribution  :      world Summary       :      Information about the college admissions process Proponent     :      Kaya Bekiroglu <[email protected]>  This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) on the creation of an unmoderated soc.college.admissions newsgroup, and has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup Creation.  Rationale:         Choosing and applying to colleges is a daunting task. Financing your college choice is equally tough.  There have been sporadic queries on misc.education and soc.college about college admissions, and although many college students and admissions officers have volunteered their time answering these students' questions, there exists no dedicated forum on USENET for this purpose.  As the number of high school students with net access grows, these posts will no doubt increase. Soc.college.admissions will provide a means to consolidate this knowledge and so increase its profile and usefulness.  Charter:         Soc.college.admissions will be a forum for discussion of college admissions (both graduate and undergraduate), financial aid, and the advantages and disadvantages of specific colleges and universities.  Input from admissions officers and current college students is especially encouraged. Soc.college.admissions will serve as a repository for college addresses (email and postal) deadline information, and tips to make the application process easier on both the applicant and the admissions office.  FAQ:         A FAQ list for soc.college.admissions will be created following the approval of this group.  Its contents will be determined by the needs of the newsgroup's participants.  Voting:         If there are no significant revisions to this RFD, a Call for Votes will be issued shortly after the end of the 21-day discussion period.  Follow-ups:         All follow-ups to this RFD should be directed to or cross- posted to news.groups.  From [email protected] Mon May 29 22:37:07 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Daniel Hartung) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.college,misc.education,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens,alt.education.higher.stu-affairs,alt.folklore.college Subject: CFV: soc.college.admissions Followup-To: poster Date: 28 May 1995 18:50:40 -0400 Organization: UseNet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) http://www.amdahl.com/ext/uvv/ Lines: 88 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 19 Jun 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6915 news.groups:151536 soc.college:41191 misc.education:29647 alt.kids-talk:63982 alt.parents-teens:7368 alt.education.higher.stu-affairs:1247 alt.folklore.college:13320                       FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                unmoderated group soc.college.admissions  Newsgroups lines: soc.college.admissions	The university admissions process.  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 June 1995.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact Daniel Hartung <[email protected]>  (the votetaker).  For questions about the proposed groups contact Kaya Bekiroglu <[email protected]> (the proponent).  RATIONALE  This is the rationale for the proposal as submitted by the proponent.  Choosing and applying to colleges is a daunting task.  There have been sporadic queries on misc.education and soc.college about college (and university) admissions, and although many college students and admissions officers have volunteered their time answering these students' questions, there exists no dedicated forum on USENET for this purpose.  As the number of high school students (and parents of high school students) with net access grows, these posts will no doubt increase.  Soc.college.admissions will provide a means to consolidate this knowledge and so increase its profile and usefulness.  CHARTERS  These are the newsgroup charters as submitted by the proponent.  Soc.college.admissions will be a forum for discussion of college and university admissions processes (both graduate and undergraduate), the advantages and disadvantages of specific colleges and universities, and test preparation (including, but certainly not limited to, the SAT-I, SAT-II, ACT, GRE, TOEFL, and Advanced Placement tests).  In no way will discussion be limited to American institutions.  Input from admissions officers and current college students is especially encouraged.  Soc.college.admissions will also serve as a repository for college addresses (email and postal), deadline information, and advice to make the application process easier on both the applicant and the admissions office.  HOW TO VOTE  Send MAIL to:  [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.  Your mail message should contain *one* and only one of the following statements (DO NOT QUOTE THE ENTIRE CFV IN YOUR VOTE):       I vote YES on soc.college.admissions       I vote NO on soc.college.admissions       I ABSTAIN on soc.college.admissions       I CANCEL on soc.college.admissions   OFFICIAL SOURCES OF THE CFV  The only official sources for copies of this CFV are the UseNet newsgroups to which it is posted including news.announce.newgroups and the votetaker.  IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES  Anything other than the official ballot may be rejected by the automatic vote-counting software.  The votetaker will respond to your received vote with an automated acknowledgement by e-mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.  It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account.  Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list; this is a public vote.  Duplicate votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote.  Anonymous votes will not be accepted.  Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered anonymous votes.  (The vote must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker.)  In cases where voting fraud is determined to have occurred, it is standard operating procedure to delete ALL votes submitted by the violator.  Anyone who distributes pre-filled ballots, shortcut instructions, or modified copies of this CFV commits voting fraud.  If you give anyone copies of the CFV, the copies must be whole and unmodified.  When in doubt, ask the votetaker.  From [email protected] Thu Jun  8 17:18:56 1995 Status: RO Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Daniel Hartung) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.college,misc.education,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens,alt.education.higher.stu-affairs,alt.folklore.college Subject: 2nd CFV: soc.college.admissions Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Date: 8 Jun 1995 17:17:31 -0400 Organization: UseNet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) http://www.amdahl.com/ext/uvv/ Lines: 88 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 19 Jun 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:7031 news.groups:152921 soc.college:41519 misc.education:30087 alt.kids-talk:64694 alt.parents-teens:7615 alt.education.higher.stu-affairs:1265 alt.folklore.college:13415                       LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                unmoderated group soc.college.admissions  Newsgroups lines: soc.college.admissions	The university admissions process.  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 June 1995.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact Daniel Hartung <[email protected]>  (the votetaker).  For questions about the proposed groups contact Kaya Bekiroglu <[email protected]> (the proponent).  RATIONALE  This is the rationale for the proposal as submitted by the proponent.  Choosing and applying to colleges is a daunting task.  There have been sporadic queries on misc.education and soc.college about college (and university) admissions, and although many college students and admissions officers have volunteered their time answering these students' questions, there exists no dedicated forum on USENET for this purpose.  As the number of high school students (and parents of high school students) with net access grows, these posts will no doubt increase.  Soc.college.admissions will provide a means to consolidate this knowledge and so increase its profile and usefulness.  CHARTERS  These are the newsgroup charters as submitted by the proponent.  Soc.college.admissions will be a forum for discussion of college and university admissions processes (both graduate and undergraduate), the advantages and disadvantages of specific colleges and universities, and test preparation (including, but certainly not limited to, the SAT-I, SAT-II, ACT, GRE, TOEFL, and Advanced Placement tests).  In no way will discussion be limited to American institutions.  Input from admissions officers and current college students is especially encouraged.  Soc.college.admissions will also serve as a repository for college addresses (email and postal), deadline information, and advice to make the application process easier on both the applicant and the admissions office.  HOW TO VOTE  Send MAIL to:  [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.  Your mail message should contain *one* and only one of the following statements (DO NOT QUOTE THE ENTIRE CFV IN YOUR VOTE):       I vote YES on soc.college.admissions       I vote NO on soc.college.admissions       I ABSTAIN on soc.college.admissions       I CANCEL on soc.college.admissions   OFFICIAL SOURCES OF THE CFV  The only official sources for copies of this CFV are the UseNet newsgroups to which it is posted including news.announce.newgroups and the votetaker.  IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES  Anything other than the official ballot may be rejected by the automatic vote-counting software.  The votetaker will respond to your received vote with a semi-automated acknowledgement by e-mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.  It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account.  Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list; this is a public vote.  Duplicate votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote.  Anonymous votes will not be accepted.  Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered anonymous votes.  (The vote must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker.)  In cases where voting fraud is determined to have occurred, it is standard operating procedure to delete ALL votes submitted by the violator.  Anyone who distributes pre-filled ballots, shortcut instructions, or modified copies of this CFV commits voting fraud.  If you give anyone copies of the CFV, the copies must be whole and unmodified.  When in doubt, ask the votetaker.  From [email protected] Tue Jul 11 13:28:45 1995 Status: RO Path: uunet!in1.uu.net!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Daniel Hartung) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.college,misc.education,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens,alt.education.higher.stu-affairs,alt.folklore.college Subject: RESULT: soc.college.admissions passes 145:28 Followup-To: news.groups Date: 10 Jul 1995 18:22:34 -0400 Organization: UseNet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) http://www.amdahl.com/ext/uvv/ Lines: 252 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:7113 news.groups:158582 soc.college:42090 misc.education:31224 alt.kids-talk:67222 alt.parents-teens:8005 alt.education.higher.stu-affairs:1301 alt.folklore.college:13717                                 RESULT         unmoderated group soc.college.admissions passes 145:28  Voting for soc.college.admissions closed 23:59:59 UTC, 18 June 1995.  This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact Daniel Hartung <[email protected]>  (the votetaker).  For questions about the proposed groups contact Kaya Bekiroglu <[email protected]> (the proponent).  SUMMARY              unmoderated group soc.college.admissions passes 145:28  There were 145 YES votes and 28 NO votes, for a total of 173 valid votes. There were 7 abstains and 2 invalid ballots.  For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.  There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.  If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.   Newsgroups lines: soc.college.admissions	The university admissions process.   CHARTERS  These are the newsgroup charters as submitted by the proponent.  Soc.college.admissions will be a forum for discussion of college and university admissions processes (both graduate and undergraduate), the advantages and disadvantages of specific colleges and universities, and test preparation (including, but certainly not limited to, the SAT-I, SAT-II, ACT, GRE, TOEFL, and Advanced Placement tests).  In no way will discussion be limited to American institutions.  Input from admissions officers and current college students is especially encouraged.  Soc.college.admissions will also serve as a repository for college addresses (email and postal), deadline information, and advice to make the application process easier on both the applicant and the admissions office.   FINAL VOTING ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS  The following list of addresses is copyright 1995 by Birch Grove Software.  Use for any purpose other than verifying the vote for this newsgroup is prohibited.   soc.college.admissions Final Vote Ack  Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                          Aaron R. Priven [email protected]                                          Adam Bonin [email protected]                                          Keith Baird [email protected]                                    Patrick Srail [email protected]                                                    Ann Rivera [email protected]                                                  Alan Kors [email protected]                                             Ananda M. Kar [email protected]                                        ANIL K. KOCHHAR [email protected]                                          Jim Arnow [email protected]                                                    Jim Ault [email protected]                                          A. Hedges [email protected] BASIN::GOMEZ_V"@gusher.pb.utexas.edu                                   V Gomez [email protected]                                      BICKLEY JAMES H [email protected]                                          Laura Bivins [email protected]                                 Bellave Jayaram [email protected]                                          Bonnie Forman [email protected]                                 Douglas P. Shannon [email protected]                                     Aliza R. Panitz [email protected]                                          Robert W. Burke [email protected]                                         Ruoyu Wang [email protected]                                    Mark W. Schumann [email protected]                             Christopher B. Stone [email protected]                                        chiahao chang [email protected]                                           Christopher C Parks [email protected]                                      Cheryl Goldstein [email protected]                                 Cheryl Lathrop [email protected] [email protected]                                         Chris Stamper [email protected]                                    Ms. Christian Reiten [email protected]                                          Bob Holloway [email protected]                                                  Cindy Wang [email protected]                                 David J. Greenberger [email protected]                          Darla Bauknecht, Admissions MS 148 [email protected]                                             Daniel DuBois [email protected]                                       Diana Judith Jine [email protected]                                         Del Hager [email protected]                                       Dodge Johnson [email protected]                                         David Mocko [email protected]                                                   Donna Martin [email protected]                                                    Bret Dooley [email protected]                                                 David Rauh [email protected]                                            Daniel S Chen [email protected]                                                     Don Yates [email protected]                                                Eric Garbos [email protected]                                                     eklecia [email protected]                                                         Eli Lehrer [email protected]                        Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                              Chris Fleek [email protected]                    Ratthapol Rangkupan - SCPO - 3736988 [email protected]                                                    Gabriela Nass [email protected]                                                   Robert Gaut [email protected] [email protected]                                            Glenn J Keeler [email protected]                                     Mitchell Golden [email protected]                                         Glenn R. Kurtzrock [email protected]                                               Judy Greengrass [email protected]                                          Harvey Striegler [email protected]                                           sTeVeN cHeUnG [email protected]                                Hirisave L. Pratap [email protected]                                 Heidi Sue Smith, EWU Admissions [email protected]                             Justin J Cleveland [email protected]                                  Old Man Kensey [email protected]                                           Jerry Hiniker [email protected]                         Zubeneschamali (J.Cidell) [email protected]                                                        jean m ley [email protected]                                        Jim Rome [email protected]                                               John Katzman [email protected]                                                           Jonboy [email protected] [email protected]                                                  Josh Smith [email protected] [email protected]                                             Jason Willoughby [email protected]                                            Jon Wright [email protected] [email protected]                                       Kaya Bekiroglu [email protected]                                              Kim DeVaughn [email protected]                                             Karen Clark [email protected]                                         Tim Kresse [email protected]                                  Kirk Smothers [email protected]                                            Kirk Wattles [email protected]                                    Martin Schroeder [email protected]                                          Lisa J. Oliveira [email protected]                                                  Lance K. Chun [email protected]                                        Lynne Seamans [email protected] [email protected]                                    Michelle Mader [email protected]                                                   Mike Bates [email protected]                                                  Mimi Tam [email protected]                                                 Matthew W. Mayo [email protected]                                 David Maurice [email protected]                                               Mark Smith [email protected]                             Michael R. Swigart [email protected]                                               Matt Thueson [email protected]                       Michelle Whittingham, (509)359-6582 [email protected]                                                     Nigel Allen [email protected]                                          Nick Ingegneri [email protected] [email protected]                                           Noel Hendricks [email protected]                                                 Nancy Sweet [email protected]                                   Matthew S. 'Opie' Warren [email protected]                                                 Owen Davis [email protected] [email protected]                                           Philip M. Gelber M.D. [email protected]                              Hemant Vasant Sawant [email protected]                                               Paul Hoffman [email protected] [email protected]                                      John Pimentel [email protected] [email protected]                                              Tan Ping Yee [email protected] [email protected]                                                   Brian Quinby [email protected]                                              Rebecca Drayer [email protected]                                    R. M. Bugarin [email protected]                                                  Ruth M. Sylte [email protected]                                                    Roger Barnes [email protected]                                      RICHARD [email protected]                                        Rosalind Mackraz King [email protected]                                    Ross Penner [email protected] [email protected]                               the Bitter Pirate LeSann [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                    Sean Sengenberger [email protected]                                                               shk [email protected]                                                          snarf [email protected]                                                        [none] [email protected]                                        Sonya Gail Reid [email protected]                                                Scott Norman [email protected]                            Technical Intelligence-MN-USA [email protected]                                           John R. Tegtmeier [email protected]                             Lani Teshima-Miller [email protected]                                         Thaneth Watanakosin [email protected]                                       Tom Granvold [email protected] [email protected]                                                 Troy Reynard [email protected]                                               Tabor J. Wells [email protected]                                               Shannon Smith [email protected]                                                 Yeechang Lee  Voted No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                              Collin Howell [email protected]                            David W. Crawford [email protected]                                               Christopher Ward [email protected] [email protected]                                              Doug Clow [email protected]                                   Craig Burley [email protected] [email protected]                                                       Gordon Engel [email protected]                                           Geoffrey Newman [email protected]                                                Ian Jackson [email protected]                                    Johannes Stille [email protected]                                     John R. MacWilliamson [email protected]                                               Hasnain Khan [email protected]                                                     Leigh Melton [email protected]                                         Helge Nareid [email protected]                                     Neil Readwin [email protected]                                                Pete Bastien [email protected]                                               Ryan Waldron [email protected]                                             Richard H. Miller [email protected]                                         Steven Inglis [email protected]                                         Smarasderagd [email protected]                                                  Dwight Brown [email protected]                                            Thomas G. McWilliams [email protected]                                        Tim Pierce [email protected]                                         Risto Widenius  Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                            C. Douglas Baker [email protected]                              Kenneth P Crouch [email protected]                                   Mark Anderson [email protected]                                          M Mike Taksar KC6ZPS [email protected]                                                  M. Otto   Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]    ! No vote statement in message [email protected]                                              Scott Evensen    ! No vote statement in message   VOTING TRIVIA:  The first vote was cast by [email protected] at 18:01 on 28 May. The winning vote was cast by [email protected] at 10:05 on 12 June. The last vote was cast by [email protected] at 04:12 on 18 June.  All times CST.  
 
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