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From [email protected] Wed May 11 15:00:58 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Amelia A Lewis) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.psychology,soc.bi,soc.men,soc.motss,soc.women,alt.transgendered Subject: RFD: soc.support.transgendered Followup-To: news.groups Date: 9 May 1994 19:56:43 -0400 Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 116 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Summary: Request for discussion of a newsgroup for transgendered people Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5064 news.groups:103134 sci.psychology:22734 soc.bi:51017 soc.men:100868 soc.motss:218827 soc.women:100264 alt.transgendered:7809  This is a request for discussion of the creation of a newsgroup for transgendered persons in the soc.* hierarchy.  It contains suggested purpose, charter, one-line description, and rationale. This article is crossposted to news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, sci.psychology, soc.bi, soc.men, soc.motss, soc.women, and alt.transgendered.  Discussion will continue for thirty days from the date of the posting of this RFD.  If no consensus has by then been reached, discussion will be moved to email to resolve problems.   Discussion will take place in news.groups.  Group Name                   One-line Description ----------                   --------------------  soc.support.transgendered    Transgendered and intersexed persons   Status ------  Unmoderated   Rationale ---------  Since its creation 30/10/1992, alt.transgendered has provided a forum for crossdressers, transsexuals, intersexed persons, and their mates, friends, and partners for discussion of issues surrounding these forms of behavior. A number of first posts took the form "I thought I was the only one!  Thank god for this group!"  Unfortunately, the propagation of alt.transgendered is poor, which means that it may miss those most in need of it, especially those deeply closeted and suffering the shame and guilt of a behavior that they don't understand and cannot seem to quit. The two transgendered mailing lists, Transgen and cd-forum, each have more than 300 subscribers despite relatively low profiles and screening of subscribers, suggesting that there is sufficient interest for an easily-accessible, mainstream usenet newsgroup.  Therefore, it is suggested that a group for support of transgendered persons, and education on and discussion about transgendered behavior, be created in the soc.* hierarchy.  The proposed name for this newsgroup (per discussions of the draft RFD and consultation with [email protected]) is soc.support.transgendered.  The soc.support.* hierarchy, which may be expected to contain a number of other groups, will effectively come into being with this newsgroup.  This  hierarchy should also provide a home for other newsgroups in which mutual  support is a major issue.   Charter -------  Soc.support.transgendered is a forum for the discussion of issues surrounding transgendered behavior, for support and networking of crossdressers, transsexuals, intersexed persons, their mates, friends, and families, and the simply curious. It provides a place for discussions of discriminatory legislation, for discussions of the sources of gender identity, and for discussion of the impact of transgendered behavior on everyday life.  It is also a place where those who are interested may come to learn what it means to be a crossdresser, transsexual, or intersexed person.   It is intended to foster discussion on a wide variety of topics, ranging >from discussion of the perils and benefits of surgery and hormone therapy to makeup tips, and including health- and job-related issues, issues of parenting and of other relationships, and discussion of gender roles and expectations.  It is the proper forum for support of transgendered persons, ranging from autobiographies to names and addresses of support groups, surgeons, and commercial outlets friendly to the transgendered community.  It may be used for calls for help from those depressed by their inability to live up to the social expectations appropriate to the gender assigned them at birth.   Soc.support.transgendered is NOT a newsgroup for the posting of fiction with transgendered themes, personal ads, or blanket condemnations of the transgendered.  Posters are expected to know and abide by the rules of netiquette.   Ultimately, the newsgroup's goals are dual: to provide support and advice to those in need, and to act as a source of information to those interested in learning more.   Summary -------  It is requested that the newsgroup soc.support.transgendered be created. The proposed unmoderated group would act as a forum for discussion of, support for, and education about transgendered and intersexed persons.  alt.transgendered has been in existence for more than a year and a half, with reasonable volume despite poor propagation.  The similarly-themed mailing lists (which will not be gatewayed, in order to protect list-members' identities), each have over 300 subscribers. soc.support.transgendered, with better propagation, would potentially reach even more, especially those currently struggling with gender identity.   --------------- Crossposted to:   news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, sci.psychology, soc.bi, soc.men, soc.motss, soc.women, alt.transgendered.   Mailing list: [email protected]  Pointers to the RFD will also be posted in other appropriate newsgroups  and at least one mailing list.   Contact person --------------  Amy A. Lewis  [email protected] --  Amy A. Lewis  [email protected]      Zhizn' prozhit'--ne pole pereiti.  From [email protected] Wed Jun 15 12:59:13 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Peter Berger) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.psychology,soc.bi,soc.men,soc.motss,soc.women,alt.transgendered Subject: CFV: soc.support.transgenered Date: 15 Jun 1994 11:39:49 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers - Telerama Public Access Internet Lines: 67 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 7 Jul 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5228 news.groups:106372 sci.psychology:23804 soc.bi:53018 soc.men:103734 soc.motss:225827 soc.women:104294 alt.transgendered:8729                        FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                unmoderated group soc.support.transgendered  Newsgroups line:  soc.support.transgendered    Transgendered and intersexed persons.  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 6 July 1994.  This CFV will also be posted to the <[email protected]> mailing list.   This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact Peter G. Berger, Esq. <[email protected]>. For questions about the proposed group contact Amy A. Lewis <[email protected]>.  CHARTER  Soc.support.transgendered is a forum for the discussion of issues surrounding transgendered behavior, for support and networking of crossdressers, transsexuals, intersexed persons, their mates, friends, and families, and the simply curious. It provides a place for discussions of discriminatory legislation, for discussions of the sources of gender identity, and for discussion of the impact of transgendered behavior on everyday life.  It is also a place where those who are interested may come to learn what it means to be a crossdresser, transsexual, or intersexed person.  It is intended to foster discussion on a wide variety of topics, ranging >from discussion of the perils and benefits of surgery and hormone therapy to makeup tips, and including health- and job-related issues, issues of parenting and of other relationships, and discussion of gender roles and expectations.  It is the proper forum for support of transgendered persons, ranging from autobiographies to names and addresses of support groups, surgeons, and commercial outlets friendly to the transgendered community.  It may be used for calls for help from those depressed by their inability to live up to the social expectations appropriate to the gender assigned them at birth.   Soc.support.transgendered is NOT a newsgroup for the posting of fiction with transgendered themes, personal ads, or blanket condemnations of the transgendered.  Posters are expected to know and abide by the rules of netiquette.   Ultimately, the newsgroup's goals are dual: to provide support and advice to those in need, and to act as a source of information to those interested in learning more.  HOW TO VOTE  Send MAIL to:   [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.  Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:       I vote YES on soc.support.transgendered       I vote NO on soc.support.transgendered  You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account.  Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.  From [email protected] Tue Jul 12 15:07:06 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Peter Berger) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.psychology,soc.bi,soc.men,soc.motss,soc.women,alt.transgendered Subject: RESULT: soc.support.transgendered passes 298:72 Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 12 Jul 1994 14:47:17 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers -- Telerama Public Access Internet Lines: 457 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5346 news.groups:108235 sci.psychology:24776 soc.bi:55253 soc.men:106747 soc.motss:231403 soc.women:108233 alt.transgendered:9591            unmoderated group soc.support.transgendered passes 298:72  There were 298 YES votes and 72 NO votes, for a total of 370 valid votes.  There were 3 abstains and 10 invalid ballots.  For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.   There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.  If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.  Newsgroups line: soc.support.transgendered	Transgendered and intersexed persons  CHARTER  Soc.support.transgendered is a forum for the discussion of issues surrounding transgendered behavior, for support and networking of crossdressers, transsexuals, intersexed persons, their mates, friends, and families, and the simply curious. It provides a place for discussions of discriminatory legislation, for discussions of the sources of gender identity, and for discussion of the impact of transgendered behavior on everyday life.  It is also a place where those who are interested may come to learn what it means to be a crossdresser, transsexual, or intersexed person.  It is intended to foster discussion on a wide variety of topics, ranging >from discussion of the perils and benefits of surgery and hormone therapy to makeup tips, and including health- and job-related issues, issues of parenting and of other relationships, and discussion of gender roles and expectations.  It is the proper forum for support of transgendered persons, ranging from autobiographies to names and addresses of support groups, surgeons, and commercial outlets friendly to the transgendered community.  It may be used for calls for help from those depressed by their inability to live up to the social expectations appropriate to the gender assigned them at birth.   Soc.support.transgendered is NOT a newsgroup for the posting of fiction with transgendered themes, personal ads, or blanket condemnations of the transgendered.  Posters are expected to know and abide by the rules of netiquette.   Ultimately, the newsgroup's goals are dual: to provide support and advice to those in need, and to act as a source of information to those interested in learning more.  soc.support.transgendered Final Vote Ack  Do NOT use this as a mailing list.  Voting on this group does not imply interest in receiving unsolicited mailings on the subject.  Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                     the beer factory [email protected]                                                     A.Erfindung [email protected]                                          O.D. 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