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From [email protected] Tue Nov 24 18:45:29 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: [email protected] Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.cornish,uk.net.news.config,uk.misc Subject: RFD: soc.culture.england Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <[email protected]> Approved: [email protected] Archive-Name: soc.culture.england Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 02:35:06 GMT Lines: 135 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10711 news.groups:301601 soc.culture.british:380534 soc.culture.europe:157953 soc.culture.cornish:3766                       REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)                 unmoderated group soc.culture.england  This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of soc.culture.england. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below.  Newsgroup lines: soc.culture.england	England and English culture.  RATIONALE: soc.culture.england  England is perhaps the largest country in the world without a soc.culture. newsgroup devoted to it. About 45 million people live in England and there are also many millions of people world-wide of English descent or with an interest in England or English culture. There is sufficient demand for a forum to discuss specifically English topics as evidenced by the fact that there is already a sucessful group soc.culture.cornish dealing with that part of England. Currently English wide topics are discussed in soc.culture.british. The creation of soc.culture.england would allow soc.culture.british to focus on genuine Britain wide issues.  Many new Usenet users are at a loss when they fail to find a group with English or England in the title. This group's name will act as a signpost for these people. Furthermore, soc.culture.england will also allow soc.culture.british to cover genuinely Britain wide issues, currently that group covers both British wide and English specific issues.  The culture of England is unique. The English are a British people who have been influenced by a number of different cultures and who in turn have played a major role in influencing many other cultures in the world.  The motivation for the creation of a soc.culture.england newsgroup is not political. The new newsgroup will serve the distinct needs of the English people in the same way as newsgroups serving other countries of the Britain Isles (soc.culture.welsh, soc.culture.scottish, soc.culture.irish) already cater for those countries - the creation of soc.culture.england simply provides the same forum and opportunity for England and English culture which Scotland, Wales and Ireland already enjoy.   CHARTER: soc.culture.england  The soc.culture.england newsgroup will be open to discussion of all subjects specifically referring to England or English culture. This newsgroup will be created for reasons including, but not restricted to, the following:  * To encourage understanding and discussion of England and English culture, in the many ways people wish to define it.  * To act as a source of information for people of English origin worldwide and for people planning a visit to England.  * To act as a resource for English people who wish to use the Internet and for people who wish to encourage the development of the Internet in England.  * To provide a forum for the development and promotion of English culture, history, traditions, politics and economy.  The following exceptions should be noted:  * Matters referring to issues affecting Britain as a whole should be posted to soc.culture.british  * Matters specifically referring to Cornwall or Cornish may have a more appropriate forum in soc.culture.cornish.  * Matters referring to genealogy may have a more appropriate forum in soc.genealogy.britain.  * Matters concerning English language movements in countries other than England (e.g. movements to establish legal status) should not be posted to soc.culture.england, and may have a more appropriate forum in newsgroup(s) dealing with the country in question. Other matters concerning use of the English language may have a more appropriate forum in alt.english.usage.  Advertising:  Advertising is forbidden, with these exceptions: Suppliers of goods and services connected with English culture or based in England may post, not more than once every 3 months, a brief pointer to their website or invitation to request details. The subject line should begin "ADVERT: ", except for job vacancy adverts, when it should begin "JOB: "  Binaries and Formatting:  The posting of encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) to soc.culture.england is forbidden, except for cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP). Such material belongs on a web or ftp site, for which a URL may be posted. Posts must be in plaintext or Rot13, not HTML or other encoded forms.  Netiquette:  Posts to the group are expected to be considerate of other readers. Personal abuse, flames, and obscenities are *not* appreciated.  END CHARTER.   PROCEDURE:  This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker.  Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.  All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.  This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process.  DISTRIBUTION:  This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, soc.culture.british, soc.culture.europe, soc.culture.cornish, uk.net.news.config, uk.misc  Proponent: Craig Cockburn <[email protected]>  From [email protected] Wed Jan 20 18:15:30 1999 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: [email protected] Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.cornish,uk.net.news.config,uk.misc Subject: 2nd RFD: soc.culture.english moderated Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <[email protected]> Approved: [email protected] Archive-Name: soc.culture.english Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:03:21 GMT Lines: 149 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10830 news.groups:303905 soc.culture.british:390067 soc.culture.europe:162316 soc.culture.cornish:3884                       REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)                  moderated group soc.culture.english  This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of soc.culture.english (moderated). This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below.  CHANGES from previous RFD:  Change status from unmoderated to moderated Change newsgroup name from soc.culture.england to soc.culture.english  Newsgroup lines: soc.culture.english	England and English culture. (Moderated)  RATIONALE: soc.culture.english  England is perhaps the largest country in the world without a soc.culture. newsgroup devoted to it. About 45 million people live in England and there are also many millions of people world-wide of English descent or with an interest in England or English culture. There is sufficient demand for a forum to discuss specifically English topics as evidenced by the fact that there is already a sucessful group soc.culture.cornish dealing with that part of England. Currently English wide topics are discussed in soc.culture.british. The creation of soc.culture.english would allow soc.culture.british to focus on genuine Britain wide issues.  Many new Usenet users are at a loss when they fail to find a group with English or England in the title. This group's name will act as a signpost for these people. Furthermore, soc.culture.english will also allow soc.culture.british to cover genuinely Britain wide issues, currently that group covers both British wide and English specific issues.  The culture of England is unique. The English are a British people who have been influenced by a number of different cultures and who in turn have played a major role in influencing many other cultures in the world.  The motivation for the creation of a soc.culture.english newsgroup is not political. The new newsgroup will serve the distinct needs of the English people in the same way as newsgroups serving other countries of the Britain Isles (soc.culture.welsh, soc.culture.scottish, soc.culture.irish) already cater for those countries - the creation of soc.culture.english simply provides the same forum and opportunity for England and English culture which Scotland, Wales and Ireland already enjoy.   CHARTER: soc.culture.english  The soc.culture.english newsgroup will be open to discussion of all subjects specifically referring to England or English culture. This newsgroup will be created for reasons including, but not restricted to, the following:  * To encourage understanding and discussion of England and English culture, in the many ways people wish to define it.  * To act as a source of information for people of English origin worldwide and for people planning a visit to England.  * To act as a resource for English people who wish to use the Internet and for people who wish to encourage the development of the Internet in England.  * To provide a forum for the development and promotion of English culture, history, traditions, politics and economy.  The following exceptions should be noted:  * Matters referring to issues affecting Britain as a whole should be posted to soc.culture.british  * Matters specifically referring to Cornwall or Cornish may have a more appropriate forum in soc.culture.cornish.  * Matters referring to genealogy may have a more appropriate forum in soc.genealogy.britain.  * Matters concerning English language movements in countries other than England (e.g. movements to establish legal status) should not be posted to soc.culture.english, and may have a more appropriate forum in newsgroup(s) dealing with the country in question. Other matters concerning use of the English language may have a more appropriate forum in alt.english.usage.  Advertising:  Advertising is forbidden, with these exceptions: Suppliers of goods and services connected with English culture or based in England may post, not more than once every 3 months, a brief pointer to their website or invitation to request details. The subject line should begin "ADVERT: ", except for job vacancy adverts, when it should begin "JOB: "  Binaries and Formatting:  The posting of encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) to soc.culture.english is forbidden, except for cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP). Such material belongs on a web or ftp site, for which a URL may be posted. Posts must be in plaintext or Rot13, not HTML or other encoded forms.  Netiquette:  Posts to the group are expected to be considerate of other readers. Personal abuse, flames, and obscenities are *not* appreciated.  The moderation policy for soc.culture.english will be to only allow posts which conform to the above charter.  END CHARTER.  MODERATOR INFO: soc.culture.english  Moderator: Peter H.M. Brooks <[email protected]>  END MODERATOR INFO.  PROCEDURE:  This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker.  Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.  All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.  This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process.  DISTRIBUTION:  This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, soc.culture.british, soc.culture.europe, soc.culture.cornish, uk.net.news.config, uk.misc  Proponent: Craig Cockburn <[email protected]> Proponent: Peter H.M. Brooks <[email protected]>  From [email protected] Thu Mar  4 16:16:03 1999 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Jim Davis <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.cornish,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.irish,soc.culture.scottish,soc.culture.welsh,uk.misc,uk.net.news.config Subject: CFV: soc.culture.english moderated Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <[email protected]> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (counting votes so you don't have to) Approved: [email protected] Expires: 27 Mar 1999 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: soc.culture.english Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 00:02:36 GMT Lines: 182 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10909 news.groups:306836 soc.culture.british:403546 soc.culture.cornish:4120 soc.culture.europe:166969 soc.culture.irish:186770 soc.culture.scottish:92878 soc.culture.welsh:35348                       FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                  moderated group soc.culture.english  Newsgroups line: soc.culture.english	England and English culture. (Moderated)  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 26 Mar 1999.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponents.  Proponent: Craig Cockburn <[email protected]> Proponent: Peter H.M. Brooks <[email protected]> Votetaker: Jim Davis <[email protected]>  RATIONALE: soc.culture.english  England is perhaps the largest country in the world without a soc.culture. newsgroup devoted to it. About 45 million people live in England and there are also many millions of people world-wide of English descent or with an interest in England or English culture. There is sufficient demand for a forum to discuss specifically English topics as evidenced by the fact that there is already a successful group soc.culture.cornish dealing with that part of England. Currently English wide topics are discussed in soc.culture.british. The creation of soc.culture.english would allow soc.culture.british to focus on genuine Britain wide issues.  Many new Usenet users are at a loss when they fail to find a group with English or England in the title. This group's name will act as a signpost for these people. Furthermore, soc.culture.english will also allow soc.culture.british to cover genuinely Britain wide issues, currently that group covers both British wide and English specific issues.  The culture of England is unique. The English are a British people who have been influenced by a number of different cultures and who in turn have played a major role in influencing many other cultures in the world.  The motivation for the creation of a soc.culture.english newsgroup is not political. The new newsgroup will serve the distinct needs of the English people in the same way as newsgroups serving other countries of the Britain Isles (soc.culture.welsh, soc.culture.scottish, soc.culture.irish) already cater for those countries - the creation of soc.culture.english simply provides the same forum and opportunity for England and English culture which Scotland, Wales and Ireland already enjoy.  CHARTER: soc.culture.english  The soc.culture.english newsgroup will be open to discussion of all subjects specifically referring to England or English culture. This newsgroup will be created for reasons including, but not restricted to, the following:  * To encourage understanding and discussion of England and English culture, in the many ways people wish to define it.  * To act as a source of information for people of English origin worldwide and for people planning a visit to England.  * To act as a resource for English people who wish to use the Internet and for people who wish to encourage the development of the Internet in England.  * To provide a forum for the development and promotion of English culture, history, traditions, politics and economy.  The following exceptions should be noted:  * Matters referring to issues affecting Britain as a whole should be posted to soc.culture.british  * Matters specifically referring to Cornwall or Cornish may have a more appropriate forum in soc.culture.cornish.  * Matters referring to genealogy may have a more appropriate forum in soc.genealogy.britain.  * Matters concerning English language movements in countries other than England (e.g. movements to establish legal status) should not be posted to soc.culture.english, and may have a more appropriate forum in newsgroup(s) dealing with the country in question. Other matters concerning use of the English language may have a more appropriate forum in alt.usage.english.  Advertising:  Advertising is forbidden, with these exceptions: Suppliers of goods and services connected with English culture or based in England may post, not more than once every 3 months, a brief pointer to their website or invitation to request details. The subject line should begin "ADVERT: ", except for job vacancy adverts, when it should begin "JOB: "  Binaries and Formatting:  The posting of encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) to soc.culture.english is forbidden, except for cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP). Such material belongs on a web or FTP site, for which a URL may be posted. Posts must be in plaintext or Rot13, not HTML or other encoded forms.  Netiquette:  Posts to the group are expected to be considerate of other readers. Personal abuse, flames, and obscenities will not be accepted.  The moderation policy for soc.culture.english will be to only allow posts which conform to the above charter.  END CHARTER.  MODERATOR INFO: soc.culture.english  Moderator: "Peter H.M. Brooks" <[email protected]> Administrative contact address: [email protected] Article submission address: [email protected]  END MODERATOR INFO.  HOW TO VOTE:  Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after the "-=-=-=-" lines.  Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts.  And please don't send the entire CFV back!  Mark the ballot and then mail it to: [email protected]  Examples of how to properly indicate your vote:  [ YES     ]  example.yes.vote [ NO      ]  example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ]  example.abstention [ CANCEL  ]  example.cancellation  -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- soc.culture.english Ballot     (Don't remove this marker)  Give your real name here:    Your Vote  Newsgroup ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [         ]  soc.culture.english -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.iki.fi/~jpatokal/uvv/.  IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:  Standard Guidelines for voting apply.  One vote per person, one account per voter.  Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid.  Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes.  Vote counting is automated.  Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted.  If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem.  It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote.  Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post.  The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup.  Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose.  Please do not distribute this CFV.  If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups.  Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker.  This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Jun 10 1997). PQ datestamp: 980322   --  Jim Davis        | "Plaaay NICE!!" [email protected] |   -- Bubbles  From [email protected] Sun Mar 14 15:45:03 1999 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Jim Davis <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.cornish,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.irish,soc.culture.scottish,soc.culture.welsh,uk.misc,uk.net.news.config Subject: 2nd CFV: soc.culture.english moderated Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <[email protected]> Supersedes: <[email protected]> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (counting votes so you don't have to) Approved: [email protected] Expires: 27 Mar 1999 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: soc.culture.english Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:33:46 GMT Lines: 186 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10923 news.groups:307717 soc.culture.british:406819 soc.culture.cornish:4229 soc.culture.europe:168669 soc.culture.irish:190589 soc.culture.scottish:94034 soc.culture.welsh:35745                        LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                  moderated group soc.culture.english  Newsgroups line: soc.culture.english	England and English culture. (Moderated)  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 26 Mar 1999.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponents.  Proponent: Craig Cockburn <[email protected]> Proponent: Peter H.M. Brooks <[email protected]> Votetaker: Jim Davis <[email protected]>  RATIONALE: soc.culture.english  England is perhaps the largest country in the world without a soc.culture. newsgroup devoted to it. About 45 million people live in England and there are also many millions of people world-wide of English descent or with an interest in England or English culture. There is sufficient demand for a forum to discuss specifically English topics as evidenced by the fact that there is already a successful group soc.culture.cornish dealing with that part of England. Currently English wide topics are discussed in soc.culture.british. The creation of soc.culture.english would allow soc.culture.british to focus on genuine Britain wide issues.  Many new Usenet users are at a loss when they fail to find a group with English or England in the title. This group's name will act as a signpost for these people. Furthermore, soc.culture.english will also allow soc.culture.british to cover genuinely Britain wide issues, currently that group covers both British wide and English specific issues.  The culture of England is unique. The English are a British people who have been influenced by a number of different cultures and who in turn have played a major role in influencing many other cultures in the world.  The motivation for the creation of a soc.culture.english newsgroup is not political. The new newsgroup will serve the distinct needs of the English people in the same way as newsgroups serving other countries of the Britain Isles (soc.culture.welsh, soc.culture.scottish, soc.culture.irish) already cater for those countries - the creation of soc.culture.english simply provides the same forum and opportunity for England and English culture which Scotland, Wales and Ireland already enjoy.  CHARTER: soc.culture.english  The soc.culture.english newsgroup will be open to discussion of all subjects specifically referring to England or English culture. This newsgroup will be created for reasons including, but not restricted to, the following:  * To encourage understanding and discussion of England and English culture, in the many ways people wish to define it.  * To act as a source of information for people of English origin worldwide and for people planning a visit to England.  * To act as a resource for English people who wish to use the Internet and for people who wish to encourage the development of the Internet in England.  * To provide a forum for the development and promotion of English culture, history, traditions, politics and economy.  The following exceptions should be noted:  * Matters referring to issues affecting Britain as a whole should be posted to soc.culture.british  * Matters specifically referring to Cornwall or Cornish may have a more appropriate forum in soc.culture.cornish.  * Matters referring to genealogy may have a more appropriate forum in soc.genealogy.britain.  * Matters concerning English language movements in countries other than England (e.g. movements to establish legal status) should not be posted to soc.culture.english, and may have a more appropriate forum in newsgroup(s) dealing with the country in question. Other matters concerning use of the English language may have a more appropriate forum in alt.usage.english.  Advertising:  Advertising is forbidden, with these exceptions: Suppliers of goods and services connected with English culture or based in England may post, not more than once every 3 months, a brief pointer to their website or invitation to request details. The subject line should begin "ADVERT: ", except for job vacancy adverts, when it should begin "JOB: "  Binaries and Formatting:  The posting of encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) to soc.culture.english is forbidden, except for cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP). Such material belongs on a web or FTP site, for which a URL may be posted. Posts must be in plaintext or Rot13, not HTML or other encoded forms.  Netiquette:  Posts to the group are expected to be considerate of other readers. Personal abuse, flames, and obscenities will not be accepted.  The moderation policy for soc.culture.english will be to only allow posts which conform to the above charter.  END CHARTER.  MODERATOR INFO: soc.culture.english  Moderator: "Peter H.M. Brooks" <[email protected]> Administrative contact address: [email protected] Article submission address: [email protected]  END MODERATOR INFO.  HOW TO VOTE:  Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after the "-=-=-=-" lines.  Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts.  And please don't send the entire CFV back!  Mark the ballot and then mail it to: [email protected]  Examples of how to properly indicate your vote:  [ YES     ]  example.yes.vote [ NO      ]  example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ]  example.abstention [ CANCEL  ]  example.cancellation  -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- soc.culture.english Ballot     (Don't remove this marker)  Give your real name here:    Your Vote  Newsgroup ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [         ]  soc.culture.english -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.iki.fi/~jpatokal/uvv/.  IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:  Standard Guidelines for voting apply.  One vote per person, one account per voter.  Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid.  Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes.  Vote counting is automated.  Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted.  If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem.  It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote.  Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post.  The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup.  Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose.  Please do not distribute this CFV.  If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups.  Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker.  This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Jun 10 1997). PQ datestamp: 980322  soc.culture.english Bounce List - No need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                   John Sullivan [email protected]                           Dave Murphy  --  Jim Davis        | "Plaaay NICE!!" [email protected] |   -- Bubbles  From [email protected] Fri Mar 26 16:44:53 1999 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Jim Davis <[email protected]> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.cornish,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.irish,soc.culture.scottish,soc.culture.welsh,uk.misc,uk.net.news.config Subject: RESULT: soc.culture.english moderated fails 77:87 Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <[email protected]> Supersedes: <[email protected]> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (counting votes so you don't have to) Approved: [email protected] Archive-Name: soc.culture.english Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:32:54 GMT Lines: 314 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10958 news.groups:310344 soc.culture.british:410300 soc.culture.cornish:4281 soc.culture.europe:171330 soc.culture.irish:196778 soc.culture.scottish:95252 soc.culture.welsh:36222                                  RESULT            moderated group soc.culture.english fails 77:87  There were 77 YES votes and 87 NO votes, for a total of 164 valid votes. There were 2 abstains.  For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.  There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group may not be voted on again for six months.  Newsgroups line: soc.culture.english	England and English culture. (Moderated)  This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponents.  Proponent: Craig Cockburn <[email protected]> Proponent: Peter H.M. Brooks <[email protected]> Votetaker: Jim Davis <[email protected]>  RATIONALE: soc.culture.english  England is perhaps the largest country in the world without a soc.culture. newsgroup devoted to it. About 45 million people live in England and there are also many millions of people world-wide of English descent or with an interest in England or English culture. There is sufficient demand for a forum to discuss specifically English topics as evidenced by the fact that there is already a successful group soc.culture.cornish dealing with that part of England. Currently English wide topics are discussed in soc.culture.british. The creation of soc.culture.english would allow soc.culture.british to focus on genuine Britain wide issues.  Many new Usenet users are at a loss when they fail to find a group with English or England in the title. This group's name will act as a signpost for these people. Furthermore, soc.culture.english will also allow soc.culture.british to cover genuinely Britain wide issues, currently that group covers both British wide and English specific issues.  The culture of England is unique. The English are a British people who have been influenced by a number of different cultures and who in turn have played a major role in influencing many other cultures in the world.  The motivation for the creation of a soc.culture.english newsgroup is not political. The new newsgroup will serve the distinct needs of the English people in the same way as newsgroups serving other countries of the Britain Isles (soc.culture.welsh, soc.culture.scottish, soc.culture.irish) already cater for those countries - the creation of soc.culture.english simply provides the same forum and opportunity for England and English culture which Scotland, Wales and Ireland already enjoy.  CHARTER: soc.culture.english  The soc.culture.english newsgroup will be open to discussion of all subjects specifically referring to England or English culture. This newsgroup will be created for reasons including, but not restricted to, the following:  * To encourage understanding and discussion of England and English culture, in the many ways people wish to define it.  * To act as a source of information for people of English origin worldwide and for people planning a visit to England.  * To act as a resource for English people who wish to use the Internet and for people who wish to encourage the development of the Internet in England.  * To provide a forum for the development and promotion of English culture, history, traditions, politics and economy.  The following exceptions should be noted:  * Matters referring to issues affecting Britain as a whole should be posted to soc.culture.british  * Matters specifically referring to Cornwall or Cornish may have a more appropriate forum in soc.culture.cornish.  * Matters referring to genealogy may have a more appropriate forum in soc.genealogy.britain.  * Matters concerning English language movements in countries other than England (e.g. movements to establish legal status) should not be posted to soc.culture.english, and may have a more appropriate forum in newsgroup(s) dealing with the country in question. Other matters concerning use of the English language may have a more appropriate forum in alt.usage.english.  Advertising:  Advertising is forbidden, with these exceptions: Suppliers of goods and services connected with English culture or based in England may post, not more than once every 3 months, a brief pointer to their website or invitation to request details. The subject line should begin "ADVERT: ", except for job vacancy adverts, when it should begin "JOB: "  Binaries and Formatting:  The posting of encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) to soc.culture.english is forbidden, except for cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP). Such material belongs on a web or FTP site, for which a URL may be posted. Posts must be in plaintext or Rot13, not HTML or other encoded forms.  Netiquette:  Posts to the group are expected to be considerate of other readers. Personal abuse, flames, and obscenities will not be accepted.  The moderation policy for soc.culture.english will be to only allow posts which conform to the above charter.  END CHARTER.  MODERATOR INFO: soc.culture.english  Moderator: "Peter H.M. Brooks" <[email protected]> Administrative contact address: [email protected] Article submission address: [email protected]  END MODERATOR INFO.  soc.culture.english Final Vote Ack  Email addresses are posted only to help verify the results.  Do not use these email addresses as a mailing list!  Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ alex``home.cam.net.uk                                               Alex Allan andyrobts``zetnet.co.uk                                           Andy Roberts AshleyB``halcyon.com                                            Ashley Yakeley baird``gate.net                                                 Baird Stafford bdonald``nortelnetworks.com                                        Bill Donald boud``rempt.xs4all.nl                                          Boudewijn Rempt bovairs``cofc.edu                                                 Susan Bovair Charlie.Armstrong``faa.gov                                   Charlie Armstrong chris.dennis``ndirect.co.uk                                       Chris Dennis churchyh``ccwf.cc.utexas.edu                                  Henry Churchyard claude``orangenet.co.uk                                                 Claude colin``aeon.com.my                                               colin charles craig``scot.demon.co.uk                                         Craig Cockburn curtin``netcomuk.co.uk                                            Chris Curtin dany.steyaert``ping.be                                           Dany Steyaert david``concern.demon.co.uk                                          David John david``wedding-services.demon.co.uk                              david allison dc``panix.com                                                David W. Crawford deidre``america.net                                               Kim F. Holec dickj``thegrid.net                                                Dick Jackson dinkipix``dinkipix.demon.co.uk                               Angela Touchstone dlmatt``canopus.bu.edu                                       David L. Matthews duncan``brandane.demon.co.uk                                      Duncan Dewar epotter``mail.utexas.edu                                          david potter escowles``gort.ucsd.edu                                            Esme Cowles evansjon``liverpool.ac.uk                                       Jonathan Evans fogazzid``usa.net                                              Daniele Fogazzi frajm``aol.com                                            Frank R.A.J. 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Lambton jeb27``hermes.cam.ac.uk                                        James Broughton jim.silverton``erols.com                                       James Silverton jkwill``cableinet.co.uk                                               J K Will jlynch``ldta.demon.co.uk                                            John Lynch jmalina``best.com                                                Jo Ann Malina ke6isf``anaheim.crosswinds.net                                     Dennis Carr kimdv``best.com                                                   Kim DeVaughn koschei``pagans.org                                     iain campbell truskett laidback``laidback.MAPSON.compulink.co.uk                          Dave Murphy lindseyv``bigfoot.com                                       Lindsey C. 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