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From gaut[email protected] Wed Mar  8 21:56:14 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Robert Gaut) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.college,soc.college.grad,soc.college.gradinfo,soc.college.teaching-asst,misc.education,misc.education.adult,misc.education.medical,alt.college.us Subject: RFD: soc.college.financial-aid Followup-To: news.groups Date: 8 Mar 1995 17:57:59 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 90 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6389 news.groups:138211 soc.college:37241 soc.college.grad:10143 soc.college.gradinfo:8892 soc.college.teaching-asst:2308 misc.education:26987 misc.education.adult:897 misc.education.medical:3540 alt.college.us:1450                      Request for Discussion (RFD)  Proposed Newsgroup: soc.college.financial-aid Status:             unmoderated Distribution:       worldwide Summary:            a newsgroup for the discussion of post-secondary                     educational financial aid issues Proponents:         Robert A. Gaut  [email protected]  This is a formal Request for Discussion on the creation of an unmoderated newsgroup to discuss issues related to post-secondary educational financial aid.  The purpose of this group is to provide a central source of information on financial aid topics and to alleviate traffic of such discussions from the soc.college and misc.education hierarchies as well as alt.college.us and alt.education.distance.  This is a Request for Discussion and is not a Call for Votes.  The discussion will last approximately 30 days from today (Thursday, March 2, 1995).  Any comments such as "I vote yes for soc.college.financial-aid"  will be treated only as positive reactions to the proposed charter and not as a yes vote on the creation of the group.  If sufficient interest is demonstrated during the discussion period and there are no major changes to the proposal of the group then a Call for Votes (CFV) will be issued along with instructions on how to cast your vote.  This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup Creation (or as close as I could get it).  Its language is based largely on previously submitted RFD's.  The RFD is being cross- posted to the following relevant newsgroups:  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups soc.college, soc.college.grad, soc.college.gradinfo,  soc.college.teaching-asst, misc.education, misc.education.adult,  misc.education.medical, alt.college.us  Followups to this RFD are to be posted only to news.groups, where the actual discussion is to take place.  PROPOSED CHARTER  The soc.college.financial-aid newsgroup will be open to the discussion of post-secondary educational financial aid.  Topics may include, but are not limited to:              grants             scholarships             loan programs             work-study             international student aid             updates on current changes to aid programs  RATIONALE  Discussions about financial aid are already occurring on most of the other groups.  With nine of the "Big Seven" groups dedicated to education (eight of which are specifically related to college/post- secondary education) readers of these groups would probably appreciate a central location to place their posts.  As a member of a financial aid administrators listserver mailing list, I have asked for support in forming a Usenet newsgroup.  The responses have been overwhelmingly in favor of it and many have stated they will participate.  The mailing list consists of 1800+ members and carries an average posting of 20 messages per day. However, the list does not welcome non-administrative persons to join.  This newsgroup would addresses the concerns of everyone.    PROCEDURE  Please post any responses to this RFD to news.groups.  If you use the "follow-up"  feature on your newsreader, this should happen automatically.  It is VERY IMPORTANT that all discussions concerning this proposal occur on news.groups!  FUTURE CALL FOR VOTES  After a discussion period of 21-30 days (unless it is indicated from the discussion that there is a need to submit a new RFD)  there will be a Call for Votes (CFV) posted to the same groups as this RFD.  The voting period will be at least 21 days.  If the group passes by receiving 100 more YES votes than NO votes and (at least) two thirds (2/3) as many YES votes as NO votes, it will be created. --  Robert A. Gaut                     Sitting quietly, doing nothing, Financial Aid Assistant             spring comes, and the grass University of North Texas             grows by itself.   * Zen saying  From [email protected] Tue Jun  6 00:07:22 1995 Status: RO Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Michael Handler) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.college.us,alt.education.distance,misc.education,misc.education.adult,misc.education.medical,soc.college,soc.college.grad,soc.college.gradinfo,soc.college.teaching-asst Subject: CFV: soc.college.financial-aid Followup-To: poster Date: 30 May 1995 23:23:30 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 113 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 22 Jun 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] (Michael Handler Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6955 news.groups:151833 alt.college.us:2667 alt.education.distance:4158 misc.education:29707 misc.education.adult:1218 misc.education.medical:6075 soc.college:41253 soc.college.grad:11257 soc.college.gradinfo:9702 soc.college.teaching-asst:2519                            FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                  unmoderated group soc.college.financial-aid  Newsgroups line: soc.college.financial-aid	Financial aid issues, college and beyond.  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 21 June 1995.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Michael Handler <[email protected]>. For questions about the proposed group contact Robert A. Gaut <[email protected]>.  RATIONALE  At least nine of the "Big Seven" groups are directly related to education (eight of which are specifically dedicated to post- secondary/college education).  With discussions regarding financial aid being scattered among these groups, it seems likely that the readers of these groups would appreciate a central location to post their discussions.  CHARTER  The soc.college.financial-aid newsgroup will be open to the discussion of financial aid issues related to post-secondary education (both undergraduate and graduate).  Topics may include, but are not limited to: * grants * scholarships * loan programs * work-study * international student aid * updates on current changes to aid programs  DISTRIBUTION  This Call For Votes (CFV) has been crossposted to the following newsgroups:  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.college.us, alt.education.distance, misc.education, misc.education.adult, misc.education.medical, soc.college, soc.college.grad, soc.college.gradinfo, soc.college.teaching-asst  HOW TO VOTE  One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Attempts at ballot box stuffing or vote fraud will not be treated lightly.  ************************************************************************** *** IMPORTANT: _Addresses_ and _votes_ of all voters will be published *** *** in the final voting results list. UVV voting on Usenet is not done *** *** by secret ballot. If you don't like this, don't vote.              *** **************************************************************************  Send email to: <[email protected]> Just replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.  Your mail message should contain ONE (and only ONE) of the following statements:        I vote YES on soc.college.financial-aid       I vote NO on soc.college.financial-aid       I vote ABSTAIN on soc.college.financial-aid       I CANCEL my vote on soc.college.financial-aid  If you vote ABSTAIN, your vote will be registered and will be shown in the final results posting, but it will not affect the outcome of the vote. It is intended as a form of symbolic protest, nothing more.  If you CANCEL your vote, all records of your vote will be purged from the active results file, and your name and address will not be listed in the final results posting.  ABSTAIN and CANCEL are nearly the same thing -- the only difference is, with ABSTAIN, your name and address are still listed in the final listing.  If you later change your mind you may vote again. Only your last valid vote will count and will be published in the final results posting.  Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledgement by mail -- if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  After the final results are posted to , there will then be a five-day period during which the published vote list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed.  OFFICIAL SOURCES OF THE CFV  The only official sources of this CFV are: * The copy which was crossposted to  * Any copies which were sent to mailing lists by the votetaker (and *only*   the votetaker) * One received from the votetaker's automated mailserver  To obtain a copy of the CFV from the votetaker's mailserver: * Send email to <[email protected]> with    Subject: send financial-aid cfv    This is an automated function, so it does not matter what   your message body contains, as long as the Subject: line is exactly as   described above.  IMPORTANT: If you give anyone copies of the CFV, the copies must be whole and unmodified. Distributing pre-filled in ballots or modified copies of this CFV is considered voting fraud. If this occurs on a large scale or causes voting problems or irregularities, the vote may be canceled.  When in doubt, ask the votetaker. --  Michael Handler <[email protected]>    Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) Usenet Volunteer Votetakers WWW page:   From [email protected] Tue Jun 13 21:43:53 1995 Status: RO Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Michael Handler) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.college.us,alt.education.distance,misc.education,misc.education.adult,misc.education.medical,soc.college,soc.college.grad,soc.college.gradinfo,soc.college.teaching-asst Subject: 2nd CFV: soc.college.financial-aid Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Date: 13 Jun 1995 21:27:44 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 124 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 22 Jun 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] (Michael Handler Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:7056 news.groups:153684 alt.college.us:2784 alt.education.distance:4354 misc.education:30284 misc.education.adult:1269 misc.education.medical:6429 soc.college:41621 soc.college.grad:11421 soc.college.gradinfo:9781 soc.college.teaching-asst:2559                            LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                  unmoderated group soc.college.financial-aid  Newsgroups line: soc.college.financial-aid	Financial aid issues, college and beyond.  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 21 June 1995.  *************************************************************************** *** NOTE: This is the second CFV of two. If you have already voted and  *** *** received an acknowledgement of your vote in email from the          *** *** votetaker, you *DO* *NOT* need to vote again. If you have any       *** *** questions, ask the votetaker, Michael Handler <[email protected]>  *** ***************************************************************************  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Michael Handler <[email protected]>. For questions about the proposed group contact Robert A. Gaut <[email protected]>.  RATIONALE  At least nine of the "Big Seven" groups are directly related to education (eight of which are specifically dedicated to post- secondary/college education).  With discussions regarding financial aid being scattered among these groups, it seems likely that the readers of these groups would appreciate a central location to post their discussions.  CHARTER  The soc.college.financial-aid newsgroup will be open to the discussion of financial aid issues related to post-secondary education (both undergraduate and graduate).  Topics may include, but are not limited to: * grants * scholarships * loan programs * work-study * international student aid * updates on current changes to aid programs  DISTRIBUTION  This Call For Votes (CFV) has been crossposted to the following newsgroups:  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.college.us, alt.education.distance, misc.education, misc.education.adult, misc.education.medical, soc.college, soc.college.grad, soc.college.gradinfo, soc.college.teaching-asst  HOW TO VOTE  One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Attempts at ballot box stuffing or vote fraud will not be treated lightly.  ************************************************************************** *** IMPORTANT: _Addresses_ and _votes_ of all voters will be published *** *** in the final voting results list. UVV voting on Usenet is not done *** *** by secret ballot. If you don't like this, don't vote.              *** **************************************************************************  Send email to: <[email protected]> Just replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.  Your mail message should contain ONE (and only ONE) of the following statements:        I vote YES on soc.college.financial-aid       I vote NO on soc.college.financial-aid       I vote ABSTAIN on soc.college.financial-aid       I CANCEL my vote on soc.college.financial-aid  If you vote ABSTAIN, your vote will be registered and will be shown in the final results posting, but it will not affect the outcome of the vote. It is intended as a form of symbolic protest, nothing more.  If you CANCEL your vote, all records of your vote will be purged from the active results file, and your name and address will not be listed in the final results posting.  ABSTAIN and CANCEL are nearly the same thing -- the only difference is, with ABSTAIN, your name and address are still listed in the final listing.  If you later change your mind you may vote again. Only your last valid vote will count and will be published in the final results posting.  Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledgement by mail -- if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  After the final results are posted to , there will then be a five-day period during which the published vote list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed.  OFFICIAL SOURCES OF THE CFV  The only official sources of this CFV are: * The copy which was crossposted to  * Any copies which were sent to mailing lists by the votetaker (and *only*   the votetaker) * One received from the votetaker's automated mailserver  To obtain a copy of the CFV from the votetaker's mailserver: * Send email to <[email protected]> with    Subject: send financial-aid cfv    This is an automated function, so it does not matter what   your message body contains, as long as the Subject: line is exactly as   described above.  IMPORTANT: If you give anyone copies of the CFV, the copies must be whole and unmodified. Distributing pre-filled in ballots or modified copies of this CFV is considered voting fraud. If this occurs on a large scale or causes voting problems or irregularities, the vote may be canceled.  When in doubt, ask the votetaker.  soc.college.financial-aid Bounce List - No need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No bounced votes at this time --  Michael Handler <[email protected]>    Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) Usenet Volunteer Votetakers WWW page:   From [email protected] Wed Jul 12 10:43:51 1995 Status: RO Path: uunet!in1.uu.net!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Michael Handler) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.college.us,alt.education.distance,misc.education,misc.education.adult,misc.education.medical,soc.college,soc.college.grad,soc.college.gradinfo,soc.college.teaching-asst Subject: RESULT: soc.college.financial-aid passes 202:18 Followup-To: news.groups Date: 11 Jul 1995 19:02:46 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 285 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:7125 news.groups:158846 alt.college.us:3031 alt.education.distance:4704 misc.education:31261 misc.education.adult:1412 misc.education.medical:7273 soc.college:42108 soc.college.grad:11714 soc.college.gradinfo:9981 soc.college.teaching-asst:2580                                      RESULT           unmoderated group soc.college.financial-aid passes 202:18  There were 202 YES votes and 18 NO votes, for a total of 220 valid votes. There were 3 abstains and 1 invalid ballot.  For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.  There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.  If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.    soc.college.financial-aid passed on Wed Jun 7 15:09:49 1995  Newsgroups line: soc.college.financial-aid	Financial aid issues, college and beyond.  Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 21 June 1995.  CHARTER  The soc.college.financial-aid newsgroup will be open to the discussion of financial aid issues related to post-secondary education (both undergraduate and graduate).  Topics may include, but are not limited to: * grants * scholarships * loan programs * work-study * international student aid * updates on current changes to aid programs  *************************************************************************** *** The following results posting is Copyright 1995 Michael Handler and *** *** Sub Rosa Software, Inc. Usage of the following list or any part     *** *** thereof as a mass mailing list or for any other purpose without the *** *** express written consent of the votetaker is strictly prohibited,    *** *** and may be enforced by law.                                         *** *************************************************************************** (In other words, don't use these email addresses as an advertising mailing list or to send them all surveys asking them why they voted the way they did. You're only going to get people pissed off at you.)  soc.college.financial-aid Final Vote Ack  Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                        Lars Hellman [email protected]                                          Aaron R. Priven [email protected] [email protected]                                                   rex barnes [email protected]                                             Raymond Chasse [email protected]                                                 Alan H. Cohen [email protected]                                           Alpha Koroma [email protected]                                                 Tina M. Wood [email protected]                                            Alex Schneider [email protected]                                         Alexandros Moukas [email protected] [email protected]                                     Pretty Daisies [email protected]                                                   Amy Valigura [email protected]                                    Andrew J. Yee [email protected]                                                 Angela Bills [email protected]                                             Aaron Rever [email protected]                                          Jim Arnow [email protected]                                                    Jim Ault [email protected]                                          A. Hedges [email protected]                                            vincent hoang [email protected]                                      Lam Lee-Bauman [email protected]                                             Fred Besancon [email protected]                                      BICKLEY JAMES H [email protected]                                                 B.J. Herbison [email protected]                                                  Scott Greczkowski [email protected]                                 Douglas P. Shannon [email protected]                                              Vanessa Bonner [email protected]                                          Barbara Borgailo [email protected]                                             Ben Parker [email protected] [email protected]                                      Bill Silva-Breen [email protected]                                       Ernest Marshall Buckles [email protected]                           Curtis Desjardins [email protected]                                          Catherine Beeker [email protected]                             Christopher B. Stone [email protected]                                      christopher duggan [email protected] [email protected]                                             Carrie Leighton [email protected]                                         Chris Stamper [email protected]                                                Michael Kraus [email protected]                                                   C. Brown [email protected]                                          Bob Holloway [email protected]                                          david (d.c.) cromwell [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                             Dan Rothschild DBODENHA%[email protected] [email protected]                                           Dwight D. Maxwell [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                          Diana L. Ritchie [email protected]                                               D'Lynn Schertz [email protected]                                           Douglas Bateman [email protected]                                             John Drake [email protected]                                     Ari Y. Weintraub [email protected]                                            Daniel S Chen [email protected]                                                Eric Garbos [email protected]                                           William Rex [email protected]                                Elias Pinto [email protected]                                    Raymond J. Faini [email protected]                        Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq [email protected] [email protected]                                            FINUSERS [email protected]                                    Arnie Rosenberg [email protected]                                           GREG FRANKLIN [email protected]                                              Renee Durant [email protected]                                                  Gary A Feldman [email protected]                                                   Robert Gaut [email protected]                                            Glenn J Keeler [email protected]                                     Mitchell Golden [email protected]                                         Glenn R. Kurtzrock [email protected]                                Brennan Tennesen Price [email protected]                                                     Gus F. Kilthau [email protected]                                         Robert Craig Harman [email protected]                                Hirisave L. Pratap [email protected]                                            Barett McGavock [email protected]                                             Sharon Hoshida [email protected]                                          Scott Hughes [email protected] [email protected]                                                     Jay Laefer [email protected] [email protected]                                   Johann Grabner [email protected]                                           Jerry Hiniker [email protected]                                        Joe Eggert [email protected]                                   Julie Kay Lundquist [email protected]                                                        jean m ley [email protected] [email protected]                                               John Katzman [email protected]                                         John E Wynn [email protected]                                         Jane Patterson [email protected]                                                  Josh Smith [email protected] [email protected]                                               Juan Parra [email protected]                                             Julie Wall [email protected]                                             Jason Willoughby [email protected] [email protected]                                                Flex Mentallo [email protected] [email protected]                                                 tank [email protected]                                       Kaya Bekiroglu [email protected]                                            Ken Patterson [email protected]                                                  K.Est [email protected]                                          Ehsan E. Khan [email protected]                                    Judy Ann Kettenhofen [email protected]                                       Patrick Killourhy [email protected]                                              Kim DeVaughn [email protected]                                             Kirk W. Hunt [email protected]                                     Kevin L. Wells [email protected]                                         kristi williams [email protected]                                  Kirk Smothers [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                              It Came From Outer Glenn [email protected]                                               Lia Pennington [email protected]                                                   Lisa Howard [email protected]                                     Elizabeth M McKinstry [email protected]                                                    Angela Lyons [email protected]                                       Chava MacPhee [email protected]                                            Magnus Stefansson [email protected] [email protected]                                      Empress of Mars [email protected] [email protected]                                               Gary Mathews [email protected]                                         Lech Mazur [email protected]                                                   Mike Bates [email protected]                                Mike Straight [email protected] [email protected]                                                     Morgan [email protected]                                 David Maurice [email protected] [email protected]                               MR Werner, TW, tel 4450 [email protected]                                                         NAGPS [email protected]                                           Laura Valentino [email protected]                                                     Nigel Allen [email protected]                                      Dave Krinsky [email protected]                                          Nick Ingegneri [email protected] [email protected]                                     Nicholas Nittler [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                                  PatReardon [email protected]                                     Patt Bromberger [email protected] [email protected]                                   Pablo Caballero [email protected]                                          Paul Abramson [email protected]                                       Peter Cowley [email protected] [email protected]                                               Paul Hoffman [email protected]                                      John Pimentel [email protected]                                             Dong Ping [email protected]                                              Patricia La Coste [email protected]                                          Laura Praglin [email protected]                                           Price Charles [email protected] [email protected]                              Carl Michael Li Bassi [email protected]                     Rick CONTRACTOR Ellison Mr. [email protected]                                           A Rice [email protected]                                                  Ruth M. Sylte [email protected]                                                     Rob Morgan [email protected]                            Roderer, Nikki [email protected]                            Rebecca San Agustin [email protected]                               the Bitter Pirate LeSann [email protected]                                          Salim Mohammed [email protected]                                         Scholarship Generic [email protected]                                        Robert R. Schneck [email protected]                                     Skyrider Entertainment [email protected]                                          Susan Cure [email protected]                                            Choo Shing Horng [email protected] [email protected]                                                               shk [email protected]                                           Bob Sloane [email protected] [email protected]                                            Susan Reynolds [email protected]                                             srikant [email protected]                                                 Moore Sheryl R [email protected] [email protected]                                        Stephen H. Loeb [email protected]                                             samuel warren [email protected]                                           Michael Swayze [email protected]                                      Benjamin A Ostrowsky [email protected]                                                  Tammy Typer [email protected]                                           John R. Tegtmeier [email protected]                                         Mueller, Catherine [email protected]                                           Cunningham, Fred [email protected]rg                                               Dodge, Lloyd [email protected]                                             Youngdale, Pat [email protected]                                              Ritchie, Bill [email protected]                                         Thaneth Watanakosin [email protected]                                                Tom Friedman [email protected] [email protected]                                             Terrell Taylor [email protected]                                            Tarun Nakra [email protected]                                               Shannon Smith [email protected]                                                   Dave [email protected]                                                Vivian James [email protected]                                             Vic Legerton [email protected]                                           Wendy Chatley Green [email protected]                                      Henrik Weimer [email protected]                                               Witek Szymanski [email protected]                                            William Comer [email protected]                                                Weimin Zhang  Voted No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                          Brad Wallet [email protected]                            David W. Crawford [email protected]                                               Christopher Ward [email protected] [email protected]                                   Gordon Engel [email protected]                                               Hasnain Khan [email protected]                                                     Leigh Melton [email protected]                                                   Michael Grubb [email protected]                                   Patrick J. LoPresti [email protected]                                                Pete Bastien [email protected]                                                 A. Reichert [email protected]                                               Ryan Waldron [email protected]                                             Richard H. Miller [email protected]                                                         SUE HOWE [email protected]                                         Smarasderagd [email protected]                                                  Dwight Brown [email protected]                                            Thomas G. McWilliams [email protected]                                         Risto Widenius  Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                              Kenneth P Crouch [email protected]                                          M Mike Taksar KC6ZPS [email protected]                                                  M. Otto   Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                               Warren Philpot    ! Conflicting votes -- Michael Handler <[email protected]>    Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) Usenet Volunteer Votetakers WWW page:   
 
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