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From [email protected] Thu Feb 18 23:10:34 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Sulistio Muljadi) Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.filipino,soc.culture.china,news.announce.newgroups,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.europe,news.groups,rec.travel Subject: RFD: soc.culture.indonesia Followup-To: news.groups Date: 15 Feb 1993 19:21:30 -0500 Organization: San Francisco State University Lines: 80 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet alt.culture.indonesia:1241 soc.culture.asean:16767 soc.culture.filipino:8109 soc.culture.china:100286 news.announce.newgroups:3243 soc.culture.japan:26279 soc.culture.asian.american:19774 soc.culture.europe:16524 news.groups:66729 rec.travel:47129  [Due to the amount of newsgroup crossposted, responses in English is greatly appreciated!]  This is an official Request For Discussion (RFD) for the formation of the newsgroup, soc.culture.indonesia.  		Charter for soc.culture.indonesia  Name:		soc.culture.indonesia  Moderation:	unmoderated  Purpose:	The purpose of soc.culture.indonesia is to discuss issues  		relating to Indonesia, such as: 			- arts & entertainment 			- travel / tourism 			- news 			- information 			- culture 			- business 			- education 			- development  Rationale:	With the creation of soc.culture.singapore, and the existence  		of soc.culture.thai, and soc.culture.filipino, and Call For 		Votes of soc.culture.malaysia, Indonesia is one of the two  		ASEAN countries that doesn't have it's own newsgroup  		in the soc. hierarchies.  In addition, alt.culture.indonesia  		was created few months ago, but it's not in the right  		hierarchies.  Alt. hierarchies has a limited distribution, 		that doesn't allow many USENET sites to receive the articles,  		therefore may cause a little traffic flow in the  		alt.culture.indonesia.  With the creation of  		soc.culture.indonesia, it will put Indonesia in the right 		hierarchies structure with other culture newsgroups.  We are 		also looking forward to have a larger audience in the soc. 		domain, therefore increases the amount of discussions.   		Alt.culture.indonesia will cease to exist should  		soc.culture.indonesia is passed and created.  Rules:		Because soc.culture.indonesia will be unmoderated format, anyone 		will be able to post to this newsgroup.  Please refrain from  		"flames" or insults or unnecessary criticism of a person.  Any 		criticism should be constructive, and polite.  Please post your 		article in a mature and responsible way.  Language:	The official language of soc.culture.indonesia will be ENGLISH 		and INDONESIAN!    Followup 	 discussion:	Any followup discussion will be carried out on news.groups. 		You may wish to crosspost to alt.culture.indonesia, but  		discussions is preferably confined in news.groups.  Discussion  Period:		Friday, February 15, 1993 - Saturday, March 15, 1993. 		Request For Discussion will last for 30 days, starting NOW,  		If there is a desire to create soc.culture.indonesia 		after the discussion period, a Call For Votes will be issued.  You are encourage to participate in this discussions.  Please voice your opinion!!  This article will be mailed to 2 other Indonesian's mailing lists:  		[email protected] 		[email protected]  This article will also be forwarded to :  		[email protected] 		[email protected]  If you know any other Indonesians mailing lists, please forward this e-mail, e.g.: paroki net, islam, etc.  Thank you.  --  Mul			    | Alt. address:  [email protected] [email protected]	    | NeXTmail ->    [email protected]  #include "std/disclaimer.h" |                [email protected] >Genius is one per cent inspiration and ninety-nine per cent perspiration.  From [email protected] Wed Mar 10 21:06:46 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Sulistio Muljadi) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.culture.indonesia,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.filipino,soc.culture.thai,soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.vietnamese,soc.culture.asian.american Subject: 2nd RFD: soc.culture.indonesia Followup-To: news.groups Date: 3 Mar 1993 23:47:57 -0500 Organization: San Francisco State University Lines: 86 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3314 news.groups:67529 alt.culture.indonesia:1422 soc.culture.asean:17122 soc.culture.filipino:8530 soc.culture.thai:5785 soc.culture.singapore:1564 soc.culture.taiwan:36598 soc.culture.vietnamese:28218 soc.culture.asian.american:20424  [Due to the amount of newsgroup crossposted, responses in English is greatly appreciated!]  This is an official Request For Discussion (RFD) for the formation of the newsgroup, soc.culture.indonesia.   		Charter for soc.culture.indonesia  Name:		soc.culture.indonesia  Moderation:	unmoderated  Purpose:	The purpose of soc.culture.indonesia is to discuss issues  		relating to Indonesia, such as: 			- arts & entertainment 			- travel / tourism 			- news 			- information 			- culture 			- business 			- education 			- development / technology 			- politics  Rationale:	alt.culture.indonesia was created few months ago, but it's not  		in the right hierarchies.  Alt. hierarchies has a limited  		distribution, that doesn't allow many USENET sites to receive  		the articles, therefore may cause a little traffic flow in the                 alt.culture.indonesia.  In addition, the creation of  		soc.culture.malaysia, and soc.culture.singapore,  and the  		existence of soc.culture.thai, and soc.culture.filipino, leaves 		Indonesia one of the two remaining countries in ASEAN that do 		not have their own newsgroup.  With the creation of  		soc.culture.indonesia, it will put Indonesia in the right 		hierarchies structure with other culture newsgroups.  We are 		also looking forward to have a larger audience in the soc. 		domain, therefore increases the amount of discussions.   		Alt.culture.indonesia will cease to exist should  		soc.culture.indonesia is passed and created.  Rules:		Because soc.culture.indonesia will be unmoderated format, anyone 		will be able to post to this newsgroup.  Please refrain from  		"FLAMES" or INSULTS or unnecessary criticism of a person.  Any 		criticism should be constructive, and polite.  Any insults, or 		flames should be carried personally by e-mail, instead of 		posting to the newsgroup.  Please post your article in a mature 		and responsible way.  Language:	The official language of soc.culture.indonesia will be ENGLISH 		and INDONESIAN!    Followup 	 discussion:	Any followup discussion will be carried out on news.groups. 		You may wish to crosspost to alt.culture.indonesia, but  		discussions is preferably confined in news.groups.  Discussion  Period:		Friday, February 12, 1993 - Saturday, March 13, 1993. 		Request For Discussion will last for 30 days. 		This RFD will be posted again should there be any changes made. 		If there is a desire to create soc.culture.indonesia 		after the discussion period, a Call For Votes will be issued. 		You will be notified where to send your vote when the Call For 		Votes issued.  You are encourage to participate in this discussions.  Please voice your opinion!!  This article will be mailed to 2 other Indonesian's mailing lists:  		[email protected] 		[email protected]  This article will also be forwarded to :  		[email protected] 		[email protected]  If you know any other Indonesians mailing lists, please forward this e-mail, e.g.: paroki net, islam, etc.  Thank you.  --  Mul			    | Alt. address:  [email protected] [email protected]	    | NeXTmail ->    [email protected]  #include "std/disclaimer.h" |                [email protected] >Genius is one per cent inspiration and ninety-nine per cent perspiration.  From [email protected] Mon Mar 29 20:42:57 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Sulistio Muljadi) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.culture.indonesia,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.filipino,soc.culture.thai,soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.vietnamese,soc.culture.asian.american Subject: CFV: soc.culture.indonesia Followup-To: poster Date: 29 Mar 1993 19:33:10 -0500 Organization: San Francisco State University Lines: 142 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3410 news.groups:68768 alt.culture.indonesia:1572 soc.culture.asean:17295 soc.culture.filipino:8996 soc.culture.thai:6211 soc.culture.singapore:2032 soc.culture.taiwan:38205 soc.culture.vietnamese:30264 soc.culture.asian.american:21724  This is an official Call For Votes (CFV) for the formation of the newsgroup,  soc.culture.indonesia.   Please read the following information carefully, before sending your votes!   The instruction on how to vote is located in the middle of this article! Do not post your votes in the newsgroup!  		Charter for soc.culture.indonesia  Name:		soc.culture.indonesia  Moderation:	unmoderated  Purpose:	The purpose of soc.culture.indonesia is to discuss issues  		relating to Indonesia, such as: 			- arts & entertainment 			- travel / tourism 			- news 			- information 			- culture 			- business 			- education 			- development / technology 			- politics 		 		soc.culture.indonesia will replace alt.culture.indonesia.  Rationale:	There are many supports that I received before and during the 		period of RFD (Request For Discussions).  This has prompted me 		to make a Call For Votes.   		alt.culture.indonesia was created few months ago, but it's not  		in the right hierarchies.  Alt. hierarchies have a limited  		distribution, that doesn't allow many USENET sites to receive  		the articles, therefore may cause a little traffic flow in the                 alt.culture.indonesia.  In addition, the creation of  		soc.culture.malaysia, and soc.culture.singapore,  and the  		existence of soc.culture.thai, and soc.culture.filipino, leaves 		Indonesia one of the two remaining countries in ASEAN that do 		not have their own newsgroup.  With the creation of  		soc.culture.indonesia, it will put Indonesia in the right 		hierarchies structure with other culture newsgroups.  We are 		also looking forward to have a larger audience in the soc. 		domain, therefore increases the amount of discussions.   		Alt.culture.indonesia will cease to exist should  		soc.culture.indonesia is passed and created.  Rules:		Because soc.culture.indonesia will be unmoderated format, anyone 		will be able to post to this newsgroup.  Please refrain from  		"FLAMES" or INSULTS or unnecessary criticism of a person.  Any 		criticism should be constructive, and polite.  Any insults, or 		flames should be carried personally by e-mail, instead of 		posting to the newsgroup.  Please post your article in a mature 		and responsible way.  Language:	The official languages of soc.culture.indonesia will be ENGLISH 		and INDONESIAN!    Followup 	 discussion:	The period for discussion has ended.  You may wish to continue 		the discussions while the votes are being taken.  The  		discussions will not have any effect on the proposal of 		soc.culture.indonesia. 		Any followup discussion will be carried out on news.groups. 		You may wish to crosspost to alt.culture.indonesia, but  		discussions is preferably confined in news.groups.  Voting Period:		Started: Tuesday, March 30, 1993, 00:01 GMT 		Ended:	 Monday, April 26, 1993.  23:59 Pacific Standard Time 		Votes received after Thursday, April 22, 1993, 23:59 Pacific  		Standard Time will not be counted. 		Call For Votes will last for 28 days. 		This Call For Votes will be posted twice in the next 28 days, 		with votes acknowledgement.  How to votes: 	Rules:	- Votes must be cast by e-mail only.  Votes that are posted 		  to the USENET will not be counted. 		- You can NOT vote by proxy.  Your friend can NOT vote for you. 		  You must have a valid e-mail address.  You can NOT send your 		  vote using anonymous service.  Only one votes per person, 		  per e-mail address.  The moderator of a mailing lists can 		  NOT collect votes for his/her members.  The members must 		  send his/her votes directly to me. 		- You may vote once.  The determination will be made based on 		  your unique e-mail address.  If there are multiple votes 		  from one address, only the votes with the latest legal 		  timestamp which falls in the time period will be counted. 		- You are voting for the charter.  Votes such as "I would vote 		  YES, if" will be disqualified. 		- Votes must be sent within the time period of voting.  Votes 		  received before or after the time period will not be counted. 		- Votes must be sent to : [email protected] 		  If you sent your votes to address other than the above 		  address, it will be disqualified.  	Sending your vote:  	Instruction for those who SUPPORT the formation of soc.culture.indonesia 	------------------------------------------------------------------------  	1.	Send your vote to: 			[email protected] 	2.	In the subject heading: 			Vote: soc.culture.indonesia: YES 	3.	In the body of the message: 			I vote FOR the creation of soc.culture.indonesia, 			as proposed. 				Last name, First name  	Instruction for those who OPPOSE the formation of soc.culture.indonesia 	-----------------------------------------------------------------------   	1.	Send your vote to: 			[email protected] 	2.	In the subject heading: 			Vote: soc.culture.indonesia: NO 	3.	In the body of the message: 			I vote AGAINST the creation of soc.culture.indonesia, 			as proposed. 				Last name, First name  If you have incorrect format, I will send you a notification to re-send your vote again.  Please send your vote as close to the format I describe above. I will not accept any votes that doesn't follow the rules.  In the next 2 posting of Call For Votes, I will include votes acknowledgement. If you did not see your name and e-mail address in the acknowledgement, please resent your votes again.  The actual tally of who voted FOR and AGAINST the newsgroup will be displayed at the end of the voting period. Please do not send me any e-mail asking about the status of  soc.culture.indonesia.   Any such e-mail will be discarded.  If you have any questions, please send the questions to : [email protected]  Thanks to : Wira Putra, and Budi S. Raharjo for editing the original RFD. 	    Hansye S. Dulimarta, Williams Hendrawan and Oki Zakaria for 		offering their help on writing the program to count votes. --  Mul			    | Alt. address:  [email protected] [email protected]	    | NeXTmail ->    [email protected]  #include "std/disclaimer.h" |                [email protected] >Genius is one per cent inspiration and ninety-nine per cent perspiration.  From [email protected] Thu Apr  8 12:39:23 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Sulistio Muljadi) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.culture.indonesia,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.filipino,soc.culture.thai,soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.vietnamese,soc.culture.asian.american Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: soc.culture.indonesia Followup-To: poster Date: 8 Apr 1993 12:29:18 -0400 Organization: San Francisco State University Lines: 378 Sender: [email protected] Approved: tal[email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3444 news.groups:69481 alt.culture.indonesia:1614 soc.culture.asean:17356 soc.culture.filipino:9089 soc.culture.thai:6408 soc.culture.singapore:2156 soc.culture.taiwan:38522 soc.culture.vietnamese:31034 soc.culture.asian.american:22300  This is an official 2nd Call For Votes (CFV) and votes acknowledgement for the formation of the newsgroup, soc.culture.indonesia.  If you have sent your votes, please check the list at the end of this posting to see if your votes have been received and accepted.  If not, please follow the guidelines and resend them to me.  The votes listed below are received from the day the CFV started, March 30, 1993, 00:01 GMT until Tuesday, April 6, 1993, 3:30pm Pacific Standard Time.  Please read the following information carefully, before sending your votes!  The instruction on how to vote is located in the middle of this article!  Do not post your votes in the newsgroup!  		Charter for soc.culture.indonesia  Name:		soc.culture.indonesia  Moderation:	unmoderated  Purpose:	The purpose of soc.culture.indonesia is to discuss issues  		relating to Indonesia, such as: 			- arts & entertainment 			- travel / tourism 			- news 			- information 			- culture 			- business 			- education 			- development / technology 			- politics 		 		soc.culture.indonesia will replace alt.culture.indonesia.  Rationale:	There are many supports that I received before and during the 		period of RFD (Request For Discussions).  This has prompted me 		to make a Call For Votes.   		alt.culture.indonesia was created few months ago, but it's not  		in the right hierarchies.  Alt. hierarchies have a limited  		distribution, that doesn't allow many USENET sites to receive  		the articles, therefore may cause a little traffic flow in the                 alt.culture.indonesia.  In addition, the creation of  		soc.culture.malaysia, and soc.culture.singapore,  and the  		existence of soc.culture.thai, and soc.culture.filipino, leaves 		Indonesia one of the two remaining countries in ASEAN that do 		not have their own newsgroup.  With the creation of  		soc.culture.indonesia, it will put Indonesia in the right 		hierarchies structure with other culture newsgroups.  We are 		also looking forward to have a larger audience in the soc. 		domain, therefore increases the amount of discussions.   		Alt.culture.indonesia will cease to exist should  		soc.culture.indonesia is passed and created.  Rules:		Because soc.culture.indonesia will be unmoderated format, anyone 		will be able to post to this newsgroup.  Please refrain from  		"FLAMES" or INSULTS or unnecessary criticism of a person.  Any 		criticism should be constructive, and polite.  Any insults, or 		flames should be carried personally by e-mail, instead of 		posting to the newsgroup.  Please post your article in a mature 		and responsible way.  Language:	The official languages of soc.culture.indonesia will be ENGLISH 		and INDONESIAN!    Followup 	 discussion:	The period for discussion has ended.  You may wish to continue 		the discussions while the votes are being taken.  The  		discussions will not have any effect on the proposal of 		soc.culture.indonesia. 		Any followup discussion will be carried out on news.groups. 		You may wish to crosspost to alt.culture.indonesia, but  		discussions is preferably confined in news.groups.  Voting Period:		Started: Tuesday, March 30, 1993, 00:01 GMT 		Ended:	 Monday, April 26, 1993.  23:59 Pacific Standard Time 		Votes received after Monday, April 26, 1993, 23:59 Pacific  		Standard Time will not be counted. 		Call For Votes will last for 28 days. 		This Call For Votes will be posted twice in the next 28 days, 		with votes acknowledgement.  How to votes: 	Rules:	- Votes must be cast by e-mail only.  Votes that are posted 		  to the USENET will not be counted. 		- You can NOT vote by proxy.  Your friend can NOT vote for you. 		  You must have a valid e-mail address.  You can NOT send your 		  vote using anonymous service.  Only one votes per person, 		  per e-mail address.  The moderator of a mailing lists can 		  NOT collect votes for his/her members.  The members must 		  send his/her votes directly to me. 		- You may vote once.  The determination will be made based on 		  your unique e-mail address.  If there are multiple votes 		  from one address, only the votes with the latest legal 		  timestamp which falls in the time period will be counted. 		- You are voting for the charter.  Votes such as "I would vote 		  YES, if" will be disqualified. 		- Votes must be sent within the time period of voting.  Votes 		  received before or after the time period will not be counted. 		- Votes must be sent to : [email protected] 		  If you sent your votes to address other than the above 		  address, it will be disqualified.  	Sending your vote:  	Instruction for those who SUPPORT the formation of soc.culture.indonesia 	------------------------------------------------------------------------  	1.	Send your vote to: 			[email protected] 	2.	In the subject heading: 			Vote: soc.culture.indonesia: YES 	3.	In the body of the message: 			I vote FOR the creation of soc.culture.indonesia, 			as proposed. 				Last name, First name  	Instruction for those who OPPOSE the formation of soc.culture.indonesia 	-----------------------------------------------------------------------   	1.	Send your vote to: 			[email protected] 	2.	In the subject heading: 			Vote: soc.culture.indonesia: NO 	3.	In the body of the message: 			I vote AGAINST the creation of soc.culture.indonesia, 			as proposed. 				Last name, First name  If you have incorrect format, I will send you a notification to re-send your vote again.  Please send your vote as close to the format I describe above. I will not accept any votes that doesn't follow the rules.  In the next 2 posting of Call For Votes, I will include votes acknowledgement. If you did not see your name and e-mail address in the acknowledgement, please resent your votes again.  The actual tally of who voted FOR and AGAINST the newsgroup will be displayed at the end of the voting period. Please do not send me any e-mail asking about the status of  soc.culture.indonesia.   Any such e-mail will be discarded.  If you have any questions, please send the questions to : [email protected]  Thanks to : Wira Putra, and Budi S. Raharjo for editing the original RFD. 	    Hansye S. Dulimarta, Williams Hendrawan and Oki Zakaria for 		offering their help on writing the program to count votes.  Votes Acknowledgement --------------------- Listed alphabetically. Accurate as of Tuesday, April 6, 1993, 4:30pm PST.  "B.BRAHMANA" <[email protected]> "BAMBANG" <[email protected]> "Carl A. Trocki" <[email protected]> "D(BOWO) PRABOWO" <[email protected]> "DAVID J. ACKERMAN" <[email protected]> "Eric J. Olson" <[email protected]> "F.X. Nursalim Hadi" <[email protected]> "H.RAHADIAN" <[email protected]> "Henry H. Achmad" <[email protected]> "John A. MacDougall" <[email protected]> "Joyo Wijaya" <[email protected]> "M.SIREGAR" <[email protected]> "Manonton Butarbutar (Anton)" <[email protected]> "Ngadi W. Hermawati" <[email protected]> "Samil M. Hasan" <[email protected]> "VON GUNTEN, RALF" <[email protected]> "Wilson M. Manik"  <[email protected]> "rEnCaM ?" <[email protected]> "tiskanda.US1" <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Andrew Papadimos) Agus Suryawan <[email protected]> Andrino Akman <[email protected]> Anto Yauwanta <[email protected]> Aswin Hadisumarto <[email protected]> Atmonobudi Soebagio <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Brian Duke) Beverly Seavey <[email protected]> Bill Wohler <[email protected]> [email protected] Chien Kwok <[email protected]> DIANPARAMARTHA  FRANSISKA <[email protected]> Danet Suryatama <[email protected]> Djoko Wirosoetisno <[email protected]> Edy Susilo <[email protected]> Effendi Syahril <[email protected]> Elias Moning <[email protected]> Elisabeth Lazuardi <[email protected]> Elizar Hasibuan <[email protected]> [email protected] (Franklin Utama) Ferry Sutanto <[email protected]> GARBAR26%[email protected] GINANJAR RIKIP <[email protected]> GINTING%[email protected] [email protected] [email protected] HASANAH SJACHRANI <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] Hardcore Alaskan <[email protected]> Herry Sutanto <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] Irianto Sukaton <[email protected]> Iskandar T Winata <[email protected]> Ismed Hartanto <[email protected]> [email protected] Jason Christian <[email protected]> Jimmy N Manan <[email protected]> Jonas Skeppstedt <[email protected]> Josef Widjaja <[email protected]> Justy Siwabessy <[email protected]> KARTIWA-pisan <[email protected]> [email protected] Kristianto Hartojo <[email protected]> Kuo Chiang <[email protected]> LUBIS AFTAB ACHMAD <[email protected]> [email protected] Manuel Eduardo Correia <[email protected]> [email protected] (Martung) Michael Malley <[email protected]> Michael Quinn <[email protected]> [email protected] (Michael van Langenberg) Muhammad Reza L Hasni <[email protected]> NAME <[email protected]> [email protected] Nguyen Thanh Binh <[email protected]> Nur Hakim <[email protected]> [email protected] PURBA EDWARD <[email protected]> Paryono <[email protected]> [email protected] Rahmat Asep <[email protected]> Rene' Witte <[email protected]> Rhenee M Blanco <[email protected]> Richard Susanto <[email protected]> Rick Lambright <[email protected]> Ron Bull <[email protected]> Rudy [email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Shane Hartman <[email protected]> Steve Frampton <[email protected]> [email protected] Teddy Setya <[email protected]> Thomas Fischer <[email protected]dark.sub.org> Togar Arifin Silaban <[email protected]> [email protected] Victor Menayang <[email protected]> Wahyu <[email protected]> Willi Staudt AG-Linder <[email protected]> William Galloway <[email protected]> [email protected] Yoyok Satiotomo <[email protected]> Zainal Abibin <[email protected]> [email protected] (Michael J. Wilson) [email protected] (Jenli Djasli) [email protected] (Daniel Agus) [email protected] (adhiyanti kusumajaya) [email protected] (Supriatno Agus) [email protected] (Ahmady SATRIAWAN) [email protected] (Jose Albert) [email protected]  [email protected] (Ari Widodo) [email protected] (Aries Hackerman) [email protected] (Arthur Soerjohadi) [email protected] (Hery Atmadja) [email protected] (CHRISTOPHER BARRERA) [email protected] (Benyamin Hong) [email protected] (Okky M. Hutapea) [email protected] (Enrico Njo) [email protected] (* Keep Passing The Open Windows ***) [email protected] (Budiono) [email protected] (David Zoss) [email protected] (Constantin Papadimitriou) [email protected] (Chatchai JANTARAPRIM) [email protected] (Wira Putra) [email protected] [email protected] (Andidevy I. Jakile) [email protected] (Jimmy Jusuf) [email protected] (Paulo da Costa 42147) [email protected] [email protected] (Dharmawan Wanawijaya) [email protected] (Kemal  Djakman) [email protected] (Deddy T. Tikson) [email protected] [email protected] (Erwin Brisbanuharto) [email protected] (Petrus Hardianto xxxxx) [email protected] (Dr Peter K. W. Tan) [email protected] (Ed McGuire) [email protected] (Alo) [email protected] (Jan Fandrianto) [email protected] (Felicia Widyanti) [email protected] (G.G. Weix) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Winnie-the-Pooh) [email protected] (Will Halim) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Harry Harjono) [email protected] (Lim Kong Thai) [email protected] (B.J.) [email protected] (GUNAWAN HERRI) [email protected] (Herbert M Petro) [email protected] (Susilowati Irawan) [email protected] (Hindra Irawan) [email protected] (Irwan K Djajadi) [email protected] (James Roy) [email protected] (Jason C Price) [email protected] (Julianto Djajadi) [email protected] (Bill Jerdee) [email protected] (Jimmy Tirtawangsa) [email protected] (Johan Margono AAS SSD 301-921-3041) [email protected] (John Ho) [email protected] (jovita) [email protected] kenneth steven simon <[email protected]> [email protected] (Kirk Taylor) [email protected] (Armein Langi) [email protected] (laura d. eckerfield) [email protected] (Liang Hwie Oei (I90)) liano%[email protected] (K. Liano) [email protected] (Lih-Sin The) [email protected] [email protected] (Andi I Mahyuddin) [email protected] (Richard Malingkas) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (mo18g19) [email protected] (Matthew Pham 3598) [email protected] (Mio T. Tjioe) [email protected] [email protected] (Nigel Allen) [email protected] (Nick Fitzpatrick) [email protected] (Srihanto A. Nugroho) nyt%[email protected] (NY Transfer News) [email protected] (Oki D Zakaria) [email protected] (Benno Overeinder) [email protected] (Steve Palar) [email protected] (Pramono) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (no clue) [email protected] (Richard H. Miller) [email protected] (Rudy Soetowidjojo) [email protected] (Richard Makalew) [email protected] (Hadi WIDJAJA) [email protected] (Fantom) [email protected] (Yo Djo!) [email protected] (Paulos SIAHU) [email protected] (Fredy Sugihwo) [email protected] (Ian Chai) [email protected] (Pras) sulianto (L. J. Sulianto) [email protected] (Super Susu!!!) [email protected] [email protected] (Sonya Dewi) [email protected] (Trin Tantsetthi) [email protected] (Verdi Yusuf) [email protected] [email protected] (Wiryanto Antono) [email protected] (Widjaj Sulistio) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] --  Mul			    | Alt. address:  [email protected] [email protected].edu	    | NeXTmail ->    [email protected]  #include "std/disclaimer.h" |                [email protected] >Genius is one per cent inspiration and ninety-nine per cent perspiration.  From [email protected] Fri Apr 16 10:40:44 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Sulistio Muljadi) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.culture.indonesia,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.filipino,soc.culture.thai,soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.vietnamese,soc.culture.asian.american Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK: soc.culture.indonesia Followup-To: poster Date: 15 Apr 1993 18:20:12 -0400 Organization: San Francisco State University Lines: 523 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3474 news.groups:69909 alt.culture.indonesia:1650 soc.culture.asean:17373 soc.culture.filipino:9160 soc.culture.thai:6506 soc.culture.singapore:2265 soc.culture.taiwan:38726 soc.culture.vietnamese:31479 soc.culture.asian.american:22578  This is an official 3rd and Final Call For Votes (CFV) and Votes Acknowledgement for the formation of the newsgroup, soc.culture.indonesia.   This is the last CFV post for soc.cultuer.indonesia.  Soon after the CFV period ended, I will post the result.  If you have sent your votes, please check the list at the end of this posting to see if your votes have been received and accepted.  If not, please follow the guidelines and resend them to me.   The votes listed  below are received from the day the CFV started,  March 30, 1993, 00:01 GMT until Wednesday, April 14, 1993, 8:35pm Pacific  Standard Time.  CFV will be ended on Monday, April 26, 1993, 23:59pm PST.  Please read the following information carefully, before sending your votes!   Votes must be send to [email protected] The instruction on how to vote is located in the middle of this article! Do not post your votes in the newsgroup!  		Charter for soc.culture.indonesia                 ---------------------------------  Name:		soc.culture.indonesia  Moderation:	unmoderated  Purpose:	The purpose of soc.culture.indonesia is to discuss issues  		relating to Indonesia, such as: 			- arts & entertainment 			- travel / tourism 			- news 			- information 			- culture 			- business 			- education 			- development / technology 			- politics 		 		soc.culture.indonesia will replace alt.culture.indonesia.  Rationale:	There are many supports that I received before and during the 		period of RFD (Request For Discussions).  This has prompted me 		to make a Call For Votes.   		alt.culture.indonesia was created few months ago, but it's not  		in the right hierarchies.  Alt. hierarchies have a limited  		distribution, that doesn't allow many USENET sites to receive  		the articles, therefore may cause a little traffic flow in the                 alt.culture.indonesia.  In addition, the creation of  		soc.culture.malaysia, and soc.culture.singapore,  and the  		existence of soc.culture.thai, and soc.culture.filipino, leaves 		Indonesia one of the two remaining countries in ASEAN that do 		not have their own newsgroup.  With the creation of  		soc.culture.indonesia, it will put Indonesia in the right 		hierarchies structure with other culture newsgroups.  We are 		also looking forward to have a larger audience in the soc. 		domain, therefore increases the amount of discussions.   		Alt.culture.indonesia will cease to exist should  		soc.culture.indonesia is passed and created.  Rules:		Because soc.culture.indonesia will be unmoderated format, anyone 		will be able to post to this newsgroup.  Please refrain from  		"FLAMES" or INSULTS or unnecessary criticism of a person.  Any 		criticism should be constructive, and polite.  Any insults, or 		flames should be carried personally by e-mail, instead of 		posting to the newsgroup.  Please post your article in a mature 		and responsible way.  Language:	The official languages of soc.culture.indonesia will be ENGLISH 		and INDONESIAN!    Followup 	 discussion:	The period for discussion has ended.  You may wish to continue 		the discussions while the votes are being taken.  The  		discussions will not have any effect on the proposal of 		soc.culture.indonesia. 		Any followup discussion will be carried out on news.groups. 		You may wish to crosspost to alt.culture.indonesia, but  		discussions is preferably confined in news.groups.  Voting Period:		Started: Tuesday, March 30, 1993, 00:01 GMT 		Ended:	 Monday, April 26, 1993.  23:59 Pacific Standard Time 		Votes received after Monday, April 26, 1993, 23:59 Pacific  		Standard Time will not be counted. 		Call For Votes will last for 28 days.  How to votes: 	Rules:	- Votes must be cast by e-mail only.  Votes that are posted 		  to the USENET will not be counted. 		- You can NOT vote by proxy.  Your friend can NOT vote for you. 		  You must have a valid e-mail address.  You can NOT send your 		  vote using anonymous service.  Only one votes per person, 		  per e-mail address.  The moderator of a mailing lists can 		  NOT collect votes for his/her members.  The members must 		  send his/her votes directly to me. 		- You may vote once.  The determination will be made based on 		  your unique e-mail address.  If there are multiple votes 		  from one address, only the votes with the latest legal 		  timestamp which falls in the time period will be counted. 		- You are voting for the charter.  Votes such as "I would vote 		  YES, if" will be disqualified. 		- Votes must be sent within the time period of voting.  Votes 		  received before or after the time period will not be counted. 		- Votes must be sent to : [email protected] 		  If you sent your votes to address other than the above 		  address, it will be disqualified.  	Sending your vote:  	Instruction for those who SUPPORT the formation of soc.culture.indonesia 	------------------------------------------------------------------------  	1.	Send your vote to: 			[email protected] 	2.	In the subject heading: 			Vote: soc.culture.indonesia: YES 	3.	In the body of the message: 			I vote FOR the creation of soc.culture.indonesia, 			as proposed. 				Last name, First name  	Instruction for those who OPPOSE the formation of soc.culture.indonesia 	-----------------------------------------------------------------------   	1.	Send your vote to: 			[email protected] 	2.	In the subject heading: 			Vote: soc.culture.indonesia: NO 	3.	In the body of the message: 			I vote AGAINST the creation of soc.culture.indonesia, 			as proposed. 				Last name, First name  If you have incorrect format, I will send you a notification to re-send your vote again.  Please send your vote as close to the format I describe above. I will not accept any votes that doesn't follow the rules.  In the next 2 posting of Call For Votes, I will include votes acknowledgement. If you did not see your name and e-mail address in the acknowledgement, please resent your votes again.  The actual tally of who voted FOR and AGAINST the newsgroup will be displayed at the end of the voting period. Please do not send me any e-mail asking about the status of  soc.culture.indonesia.   Any such e-mail will be discarded.  If you have any questions, please send the questions to : [email protected]  Thanks to : Wira Putra, and Budi S. Raharjo for editing the original RFD. 	    Hansye S. Dulimarta, Williams Hendrawan and Oki Zakaria for 		offering their help on writing the program to count votes.  Votes Acknowledgement --------------------- Listed alphabetically. Votes below are received before or by April 14, 1993, 8:30pm PST. Accurate as of Wednesday, April 14, 1993, 8:35pm PST.  "B.BRAHMANA" <[email protected]> "BAMBANG" <[email protected]> "Carl A. Trocki" <[email protected]u> "D(BOWO) PRABOWO" <[email protected]> "DAVID J. ACKERMAN" <[email protected]> "Eric J. Olson" <[email protected]> "F.X. Nursalim Hadi" <[email protected]> "H. Lefferts" <[email protected]> "H.RAHADIAN" <[email protected]> "Henry H. Achmad" <[email protected]> "Hidayat N." <[email protected]> "John A. MacDougall" <[email protected]> "Joyo Wijaya" <[email protected]> "LL MISSY" <[email protected]> "M.SIREGAR" <[email protected]> "Mail-drop D20, PH: 8*277-5770, FAX 8*277-5205" <[email protected]> "Manonton Butarbutar (Anton)" <[email protected]> "Ngadi W. Hermawati" <[email protected]> "Roberta L. Mitchell" <[email protected]> "Samil M. Hasan" <[email protected]> "Silvana (S.M.) Wasitova" <[email protected]> "VON GUNTEN, RALF" <[email protected]> "WAHYU PURNOMO"@RGIT.AC.UK "Wilson M. Manik"  <[email protected]> "david l. finley" <[email protected]> "rEnCaM ?" <[email protected]> "tiskanda.US1" <[email protected]> "zz Arief Kurnia" <[email protected]> (Moko Darjatmoko) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] <[email protected]> [email protected] (Andrew Papadimos) [email protected] Adi P Soejoenoes <[email protected]> Agus Suryawan <[email protected]> Andrew Yu <[email protected]> Andrino Akman <[email protected]> Anto Prijosoesilo <[email protected]> Anto Yauwanta <[email protected]> Aswin Hadisumarto <[email protected]> Atmonobudi Soebagio <[email protected]> [email protected] BAKHTIAR <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Brian Duke) Bakhtiar Muin <[email protected]> Beverly Seavey <[email protected]> Bill Wohler <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] Carlos Bispo <[email protected]> Chien Kwok <[email protected]> D Ludi <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] DIANPARAMARTHA  FRANSISKA <[email protected]> Danet Suryatama <[email protected]> Djoko Wirosoetisno <[email protected]> Edy Susilo <[email protected]> Effendi Syahril <[email protected]> Elias Moning <[email protected]> Elisabeth Lazuardi <[email protected]> Elizar Hasibuan <[email protected]> [email protected] (Franklin Utama) Ferry Sutanto <[email protected]> GARBAR26%[email protected] GINANJAR RIKIP <[email protected]> GINTING%[email protected] [email protected] [email protected] HARDYDO%[email protected] HASANAH SJACHRANI <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] Hammam R Yusuf <[email protected]> Hardcore Alaskan <[email protected]> Hendrawan Soeleman <[email protected]> Herry Sutanto <[email protected]> Hokkie Pranjoto <[email protected]> Horyanto Sjary <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Ignatius Setiadi <[email protected]> Irianto Sukaton <[email protected]> [email protected] (Irwan Sie) Iskandar T Winata <[email protected]> Ismed Hartanto <[email protected]> [email protected] (Hans van Dam) [email protected] [email protected] Jan Sunjaya <[email protected]> Jason Christian <[email protected]> Jimmy N Manan <[email protected]> Jonas Skeppstedt <[email protected]> Josef Widjaja <[email protected]> Justy Siwabessy <[email protected]> KANTABU_%[email protected] KARTIWA-pisan <[email protected]> [email protected] Kristianto Hartojo <[email protected]> Kuo Chiang <[email protected]> LUBIS AFTAB ACHMAD <[email protected]> Lan Hiang Char <[email protected]> Leonardus Yuwono <[email protected]> Liza A Tedjasukmana <[email protected]> [email protected] Manuel Eduardo Correia <[email protected]> Martinus Pandutama <[email protected]> [email protected] (Martung) Mawardi Hasan <[email protected]> Michael Malley <[email protected]> Michael Quinn <[email protected]> [email protected] (Michael van Langenberg) Muhammad Reza L Hasni <[email protected]> [email protected] NAME <[email protected]> [email protected] Nabeel Ahmad Rana <[email protected]> Nadeem Malik <[email protected]> Nguyen Thanh Binh <[email protected]> Niny Khor <[email protected]> Nur Hakim <[email protected]> [email protected] (PETER  UTAMA) [email protected] PURBA EDWARD <[email protected]> Parmesan <[email protected]> Paryono <[email protected]> Piotr SWIATEK <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] Rahmat Asep <[email protected]> Rene' Witte <[email protected]> Rhenee M Blanco <[email protected]> Richard Susanto <[email protected]> [email protected] (Richard Thio [CONTRACTOR]) Rick Lambright <[email protected]> Roderich Kluemke <[email protected]> Ron Bull <[email protected]> Rudy [email protected]> Rustam Kocher <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Shane Hartman <[email protected]> Steve Frampton <[email protected]> [email protected] (Steven Lucky) Sukamto Javaladi  <[email protected]> Suryadi Tjandrasa <[email protected]> [email protected] Teddy Setya <[email protected]> Thomas Fischer <[email protected]> [email protected] (Thomas E Taylor) Togar Arifin Silaban <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] (Bambang Oeripto) Victor Menayang <[email protected]> Wahyo Sindhu <[email protected]> Wahyu <[email protected]> Widhyawan Prawiraatmadjs <[email protected]> Willi Staudt AG-Linder <[email protected]> William Galloway <[email protected]> Wiriadi B. Ata <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] Yani <[email protected]> Yoyok Satiotomo <[email protected]> Zainal Abibin <[email protected]> [email protected] (Michael J. Wilson) [email protected] (Francoys Crepeau) [email protected] (Jenli Djasli) [email protected] (Daniel Agus) [email protected] (adhiyanti kusumajaya) [email protected] (Supriatno Agus) [email protected] (Ahmady SATRIAWAN) [email protected] (Jose Albert) [email protected] (Albertus Tunggorono) [email protected] [email protected] (Andre A. Nurwono) [email protected] [email protected] (Ari Widodo) [email protected] (Aries Hackerman) [email protected] (Arthur Soerjohadi) [email protected] (Hery Atmadja) [email protected] (CHRISTOPHER BARRERA) [email protected] (Benyamin Hong) [email protected] (Bob Knight) [email protected] (Bambang Parmanto) [email protected] (Okky M. Hutapea) [email protected] (Eddy Sumardy) [email protected] (Enrico Njo) [email protected] (* Keep Passing The Open Windows ***) [email protected] (Budiono) [email protected] (David Zoss) [email protected] (Constantin Papadimitriou) [email protected] (Chatchai JANTARAPRIM) [email protected] (Christopher R. Parry) [email protected] (Wira Putra) [email protected] [email protected] (Andidevy I. Jakile) [email protected] (Lee Chee Siong) [email protected] (Jimmy Jusuf) [email protected] (Paulo da Costa 42147) [email protected] (dadi setiadi) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Dharmawan Wanawijaya) [email protected] (Kemal  Djakman) [email protected] (Deddy T. Tikson) [email protected] (Hendi Riyanto) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Erwin Brisbanuharto) [email protected] (Petrus Hardianto xxxxx) [email protected] (Dr Peter K. W. Tan) [email protected] (Ed McGuire) [email protected] (Alo) [email protected] (Peter Monet) [email protected] (Jan Fandrianto) [email protected] (Felicia Widyanti) [email protected] (G.G. Weix) [email protected] (Brian Gix) [email protected] [email protected] (Otto Gozali) [email protected] [email protected] (Winnie-the-Pooh) [email protected] (Will Halim) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Harry Harjono) [email protected] (Mawardi Hasan) [email protected] (Lim Kong Thai) [email protected] (B.J.) [email protected] (GUNAWAN HERRI) [email protected] (Herbert M Petro) [email protected] () [email protected] [email protected] (Idris M. Kamil) [email protected] (Susilowati Irawan) [email protected] (Hindra Irawan) [email protected] (Irwan K Djajadi) [email protected] (Irwan Nusantara) [email protected] (James Roy) [email protected] (Jan Isley) [email protected] (Jason C Price) [email protected] (Julianto Djajadi) [email protected] (Bill Jerdee) [email protected] (Jimmy Tirtawangsa) [email protected] (Johan Margono AAS SSD 301-921-3041) [email protected] (John Ho) [email protected] (jovita) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Janto Widono Wongso) [email protected] (John Y. Arrasjid O32-2118 x68180) [email protected] (Daniel Arif) kenneth steven simon <[email protected]> [email protected] (Umar Khan) [email protected] (Tom Kong) [email protected] (Kirk Taylor) [email protected] (Armein Langi) [email protected] (Laura D Eckerfield) [email protected] (laura d. eckerfield) [email protected] (Leny Rimba) [email protected] (Liang Hwie Oei (I90)) liano%[email protected] (K. Liano) [email protected] (Lih-Sin The) [email protected] [email protected] (Andi I Mahyuddin) [email protected] (Richard Malingkas) [email protected] (KH Maman) [email protected] [email protected] (Malcolm Austin) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Rick Morneau) [email protected] (mo18g19) [email protected] (Matthew Pham 3598) [email protected] (Mio T. Tjioe) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Nfn Nazamuddin) [email protected] (Nigel Allen) [email protected] (Nick Fitzpatrick) [email protected] (Srihanto A. Nugroho) nyt%[email protected] (NY Transfer News) [email protected] (Oki D Zakaria) [email protected] (Benno Overeinder) [email protected] (Steve Palar) [email protected] [email protected] (Ronny Pallar) [email protected] (Peter Bonney) [email protected] (Pierre Van der Eng) [email protected] (Christie Kenneth Thomas (Dr)) [email protected] (Tom Slone [510-486-5954) [email protected] (Pramono) [email protected] (Bal Prasad) [email protected] (Bambang Nurcahyo Prastowo) [email protected] (Rafat M Sadiq) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Robert Brewer) [email protected] (no clue) [email protected] (Richard H. Miller) [email protected] (Richard Thomas) [email protected] (Rieko Nakamura) [email protected] (RUDY PRANATIA) [email protected] (Rudy Soetowidjojo) [email protected] (Richard Makalew) [email protected] (Husein Sukendro) [email protected] (Edwin Mardani) [email protected] (Hadi WIDJAJA) [email protected] (Fantom) [email protected] [email protected] (Rajasekhar) [email protected] (Yo Djo!) [email protected] (Paulos SIAHU) [email protected] (Harsono Simka) [email protected] (Fredy Sugihwo) [email protected] (sofjan halim) [email protected] (Ian Chai) [email protected] (Pras) sudarisman heru <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] (Sandy Sukarto) [email protected] (Dani Suleman) sulianto (L. J. Sulianto) [email protected] (Super Susu!!!) [email protected] (Marto Suwoto (x15142)) [email protected] [email protected] (Sonya Dewi) [email protected] (Tino_Ardhyanto) [email protected] (Suhartono Soeparw) [email protected] (Amir Torpedo) [email protected] (Pow-Hwee Tan) [email protected] (Trin Tantsetthi) [email protected] (Tim Sia) [email protected] (Trio Santoso) [email protected] (Srinivasan Raman T) [email protected] (Verdi Yusuf) [email protected] [email protected] (Wiryanto Antono) [email protected] (Peter Webb) [email protected] (Widjaj Sulistio) [email protected] [email protected] (Windy Gambetta) [email protected] [email protected] (Jacob Foxworth) woodowl!datasurf (Gabe Jones) [email protected] yohannes%[email protected] [email protected] yosep budiarjo thie <[email protected]> [email protected] (Irwandi Yusuf) [email protected] (You) [email protected] --  Mul			    | Alt. address:  [email protected] [email protected]	    | NeXTmail ->    [email protected]  #include "std/disclaimer.h" |                [email protected] >Genius is one per cent inspiration and ninety-nine per cent perspiration.  From [email protected] Wed Apr 28 18:55:53 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Sulistio Muljadi) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.culture.indonesia,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.filipino,soc.culture.thai,soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.vietnamese,soc.culture.asian.american Subject: RESULT: soc.culture.indonesia passes 427:23 Followup-To: news.groups Date: 27 Apr 1993 16:46:23 -0400 Organization: San Francisco State University Lines: 565 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3522 news.groups:70959 alt.culture.indonesia:1827 soc.culture.asean:17395 soc.culture.filipino:9254 soc.culture.thai:6735 soc.culture.singapore:2404 soc.culture.taiwan:39187 soc.culture.vietnamese:32408 soc.culture.asian.american:23027  		Result of CFV soc.culture.indonesia 		===================================  The Call For Votes for soc.culture.indonesia has ended on Monday, April 26, '93 at 23:59pm Pacific Daylight Saving Time or Tuesday, April 27, 06:59 GMT.  There are 450 votes received during the CFV soc.culture.indonesia. There are 427 votes FOR     soc.culture.indonesia There are  23 votes AGAINST soc.culture.indonesia  Following the USENET guide in creating a newsgroup: 1. There is at least 100 more valid YES/create votes are received than NO/don't    create. 2. At least 2/3 of the total number of valid votes received are in favor    of creation.  I received 404 more YES/create votes than NO/don't create votes.  The first rule is met.  The YES/create votes is 94.88 % of the total votes, which is more than the 2/3 (66.66%) of the minimal requirement. The second rule is met.  Therefore, soc.culture.indonesia has PASSED, and will be created soon after the 5 days waiting period from the date this RESULT posted on  news.announce.newgroups.  During that 5 days waiting period, the net has any  rights to correct any errors in the voter list or the voting procedure.  Should there be no serious objections that might invalidate the votes,  soc.culture.indonesia will be created.  A newgroup control message will be  issued to create soc.culture.indonesia, and a remove group control message will be issued to remove alt.culture.indonesia.  Alt.culture.indonesia will cease to exist soon after soc.culture.indonesia has been created.  Below is the list of the votes that are received during the CFV period, March 30, 1993 00:01 GMT until April 26, 1993 23:59PM Pacific Standard Time. Included in this posting, the soc.culture.indonesia charter, which we are all agree on.  Thanks to everyone who has participated in the process soc.culture.indonesia.   Hope this newsgroup will benefits everyone.  And please don't make it as a flame war media.  During the RFD and CFV, I tried to remain neutral, without doing any campaigned to ask for YES or NO votes.  I did not give my vote for the creation of soc.culture.indonesia, for fairness to others whom for or against it.  I received several personal e-mails regarding accessing soc.culture group. I am sorry that I did not respond to your request.  I have setup the e-mail address: [email protected] to automagically respond to your request. To request: 	1.  Regarding USENET, and how to read news: 		send e-mail to: 			[email protected] 		put subject: 			Subject: USENET 		put nothing in the body of the message.  	    You should receive a reply within minutes.  There will be 	    3 e-mails that you are going to receive.  	2.  Soc.culture.indonesia's charter: 		send e-mail to: 			[email protected] 		put subject: 			Subject: charter 		put nothing in the body of the message.  	    You should receive a reply within minutes.  There will be 	    1 e-mail that you are going to receive. 	      Below is the list of the people whose votes are received during the CFV period. Please check this list carefully and report any errors to me.  Thank you. Sorted alphabetically according to UNIX 'sort'  The NO VOTES: ------------- "Eric J. Olson" <[email protected]> Alipio Mario Jorge <[email protected]> Jesus Eugenio S nchez Pe~a <[email protected]> Joao Gama <[email protected]> Manuel Eduardo Correia <[email protected]> Shane Hartman <[email protected]> Victor Manuel Felix <[email protected]> [email protected] (Luis Miguel Sequeira) [email protected] (Paulo da Costa 42147) [email protected] (Ed McGuire) [email protected] [email protected] (Herbert M Petro) [email protected] (Ian Jackson) [email protected] (Joao Miguel Leitao) [email protected] (Joao Neves) [email protected] (Joao Pedro Martins) [email protected] [email protected] (Malcolm Austin) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Leonard J. Peirce) [email protected] (Richard H. Miller) [email protected]  The YES VOTES: -------------- "(Budi T.)" <[email protected]> "B.BRAHMANA" <[email protected]C.UK> "BAMBANG" <[email protected]> "BENNY P." <[email protected]> "Bagusrosadi  Pramudito" <[email protected]> "Carl A. Trocki" <[email protected]> "Charles B. Khouw" <[email protected]> "D(BOWO) PRABOWO" <[email protected]> "DAVID J. ACKERMAN" <[email protected]> "Dr. Karl Pechter" <[email protected]> "F.X. Nursalim Hadi" <[email protected]> "H. Lefferts" <[email protected]> "H.RAHADIAN" <[email protected]> "Henry H. Achmad" <[email protected]> "Hidayat N." <[email protected]> "John A. MacDougall" <[email protected]> "Joyo Wijaya" <[email protected]> "LL MISSY" <[email protected]> "M.SIREGAR" <[email protected]> "Mail-drop D20, PH: 8*277-5770, FAX 8*277-5205" <[email protected]> "Manonton Butarbutar (Anton)" <[email protected]> "Ngadi W. Hermawati" <[email protected]> "P. Suryono Adisoemarta" <[email protected]> "Roberta L. Mitchell" <[email protected]> "Samil M. Hasan" <[email protected]> "Silvana (S.M.) Wasitova" <[email protected]> "VON GUNTEN, RALF" <[email protected]> "WAHYU PURNOMO"@RGIT.AC.UK "Wilson M. Manik"  <[email protected]> "Yugiswara  Salmun" <[email protected]> "david l. finley" <[email protected]> "rEnCaM ?" <[email protected]> "tiskanda.US1" <[email protected]> "zz Arief Kurnia" <[email protected]> (Moko Darjatmoko) <[email protected]> <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] <[email protected]> <[email protected]> [email protected] (Andrew Papadimos) [email protected] [email protected] ALMY <[email protected]> Adi P Soejoenoes <[email protected]> Agus Suryawan <[email protected]> Alex Wijoyo <[email protected]> Andrew Yu <[email protected]> Andrino Akman <[email protected]> Anto Prijosoesilo <[email protected]> Anto Yauwanta <[email protected]> Aswin Hadisumarto <[email protected]> Atmonobudi Soebagio <[email protected]> [email protected] BAKHTIAR <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Brian Duke) Bakhtiar Muin <[email protected]> Beverly Seavey <[email protected]> Bill Wohler <[email protected]> Bret Jolly <[email protected]> Bruce Tindall <[email protected]> Bumianto Polina <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] Carlos Bispo <[email protected]> Chan Fook Weng <[email protected]> Chan, Fook Weng Chandra Tan <[email protected]> Chien Kwok <[email protected]> D Ludi <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] DIANPARAMARTHA  FRANSISKA <[email protected]> Danet Suryatama <[email protected]> Djoko Wirosoetisno <[email protected]> Edy Susilo <[email protected]> Effendi Syahril <[email protected]> Elias Moning <[email protected]> Elisabeth Lazuardi <[email protected]> Elizar Hasibuan <[email protected]> [email protected] (Franklin Utama) Fahmi Juber <[email protected]> Ferry Sutanto <[email protected]> GARBAR26%[email protected] GINANJAR RIKIP <[email protected]> GINTING%[email protected] [email protected] [email protected] HARDYDO%[email protected] HASANAH SJACHRANI <[email protected]> [email protected] (Hendrix Hartana) [email protected] [email protected] Hammam R Yusuf <[email protected]> Hardcore Alaskan <[email protected]> Hendrawan Soeleman <[email protected]> [email protected] Herry Sutanto <[email protected]> Hokkie Pranjoto <[email protected]> Horyanto Sjary <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Ignatius Setiadi <[email protected]> Irianto Sukaton <[email protected]> [email protected] (Irwan Sie) Isa Alcholaq Kasdin <[email protected]> Iskandar T Winata <[email protected]> Ismed Hartanto <[email protected]> [email protected] (Hans van Dam) [email protected] [email protected] Jan Sunjaya <[email protected]> Jason Christian <[email protected]> Jimmy N Manan <[email protected]> John Sims <[email protected]> Jonas Skeppstedt <[email protected]> Josef Widjaja <[email protected]> Justy Siwabessy <[email protected]> KANTABU_%[email protected] KARTIWA-pisan <[email protected]> [email protected] Kent Mulliner <[email protected]> Kristianto Hartojo <[email protected]> Kuo Chiang <[email protected]> LUBIS AFTAB ACHMAD <[email protected]> Lan Hiang Char <[email protected]> Leonardus Yuwono <[email protected]> Liza A Tedjasukmana <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] Martinus Pandutama <[email protected]> [email protected] (Martung) [email protected] Mawardi Hasan <[email protected]> Michael Malley <[email protected]> Michael Quinn <[email protected]> [email protected] (Michael van Langenberg) Muhammad Faheem <[email protected]> Muhammad Reza L Hasni <[email protected]> [email protected] NAME <[email protected]> [email protected] Nabeel Ahmad Rana <[email protected]> Nadeem Malik <[email protected]> Nadil Shahab Alatas <[email protected]> Nguyen Thanh Binh <[email protected]> Niny Khor <[email protected]> Nur Hakim <[email protected]> Nurul Almy Hafild <[email protected]> [email protected] (PETER  UTAMA) [email protected] [email protected] PURBA EDWARD <[email protected]> Parmesan <[email protected]> Paryono <[email protected]> Piotr SWIATEK <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] RICHARD KURNIAWAN <[email protected]> [email protected] Rahmat Asep <[email protected]> Randy Finder <[email protected]> Rene' Witte <[email protected]> Rhenee M Blanco <[email protected]> Richard Susanto <[email protected]> [email protected] (Richard Thio [CONTRACTOR]) Rick Lambright <[email protected]> Robert Gould <[email protected]> Roderich Kluemke <[email protected]> Ron Bull <[email protected]> Rudy [email protected]> Rustam Kocher <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Ken Sinclair) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Steve Frampton <[email protected]> [email protected] (Steven Lucky) Sukamto Javaladi  <[email protected]> Sulistio Muljadi <[email protected]> Suryadi Tjandrasa <[email protected]> [email protected] Teddy Setya <[email protected]> Teti Argo <[email protected]> Thomas Fischer <[email protected]> [email protected] (Thomas E Taylor) Togar 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Wuysang) [email protected] (Refyul Fatri) [email protected] (no clue) [email protected] (Richard Thomas) [email protected] (Rieko Nakamura) [email protected] (RUDY PRANATIA) [email protected] (Rudy Soetowidjojo) [email protected] (Richard Makalew) [email protected] (Husein Sukendro) [email protected] (Edwin Mardani) [email protected] (Hadi WIDJAJA) [email protected] (Fantom) [email protected] [email protected] (Rajasekhar) [email protected] (Semuel Pangerapan) [email protected] (Yo Djo!) [email protected] (Paulos SIAHU) [email protected] (Harsono Simka) [email protected] (Fredy Sugihwo) [email protected] (sofjan halim) [email protected] (Ian Chai) [email protected] (Pras) [email protected] [email protected] (Subur Djingga) sudarisman heru <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] (Sandy Sukarto) [email protected] (Dani Suleman) sulianto (L. J. Sulianto) [email protected] (Sulistio Muljadi) [email protected] (Super Susu!!!) [email protected] (Marto Suwoto (x15142)) [email protected] (Sonya Dewi) [email protected] (Tanya Pallar) [email protected] [email protected] (Tino_Ardhyanto) [email protected] (Suhartono Soeparw) [email protected] (Amir Torpedo) [email protected] (Pow-Hwee Tan) [email protected] (Trin Tantsetthi) [email protected] (Tim Sia) [email protected] (Trio Santoso) [email protected] (Srinivasan Raman T) [email protected] (Verdi Yusuf) [email protected] [email protected] (Wiryanto Antono) [email protected] (Peter Webb) [email protected] (Widjaj Sulistio) [email protected] [email protected] (Windy Gambetta) [email protected] [email protected] (Jacob Foxworth) woodowl!datasurf (Gabe Jones) [email protected] [email protected] yohannes%[email protected] [email protected] yosep budiarjo thie <[email protected]> [email protected] (Irwandi Yusuf) [email protected] (You) [email protected]  The Charter of soc.culture.indonesia: -------------------------------------  Name:		soc.culture.indonesia  Moderation:	unmoderated  Purpose:	The purpose of soc.culture.indonesia is to discuss issues  		relating to Indonesia, such as: 			- arts & entertainment 			- travel / tourism 			- news 			- information 			- culture 			- business 			- education 			- development / technology 			- politics 		 		soc.culture.indonesia will replace alt.culture.indonesia.  Rules:		Because soc.culture.indonesia will be unmoderated format, anyone 		will be able to post to this newsgroup.  Please refrain from  		"FLAMES" or INSULTS or unnecessary criticism of a person.  Any 		criticism should be constructive, and polite.  Any insults, or 		flames should be carried personally by e-mail, instead of 		posting to the newsgroup.  Please post your article in a mature 		and responsible way.  Language:	The official languages of soc.culture.indonesia will be ENGLISH 		and INDONESIAN!   --  Mul			    | Alt. address:  [email protected] [email protected]	    | NeXTmail ->    [email protected]  #include "std/disclaimer.h" |                [email protected] >Genius is one per cent inspiration and ninety-nine per cent perspiration.