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From [email protected] Mon Sep 27 12:23:46 1993
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From: [email protected] (Denbigh Starkey)
Subject: CFD:  soc.college.gradinfo
Followup-To: news.groups
Summary: Final CFD, replaces soc.college.grad[.d]
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Proposed new group: soc.college.gradinfo
Replaces proposal for soc.college.grad and soc.college.grad.d
Replaces previous proposal for misc.grad-schools

Summary of the proposed new group:
   soc.college.gradinfo   To be used exclusively for periodic announcements,
        in standard form, describing graduate programs.

On January 29, 1991, I initiated a CFD for a new group, misc.grad-schools,
for the dissemination of information about graduate programs.  The
proposal concept received considerable support and no criticisms, but
there was a lot of discussion about the best name for the new news
group, both through e-mail and in news.groups.  As a result, I posted a
second CFD, similar to the first in concept, but proposing two new
groups, (both under the existing soc.college hierarchy), soc.college.grad
for announcements, and soc.college.grad.d for discussions.  This new
structure also received a number of criticisms, particularly through e-mail,
suggesting that soc.college.grad.d was unnecessary, and that followup
discussions could just be placed in soc.college.  There was also a
consistent comment that soc.college.gradinfo or a similar name would
better describe the goals of the group than soc.college.grad.

This will hopefully be the final CFD for the new group, which I now
suggest should be a single group with the name soc.college.gradinfo.
Since there appears to be general agreement that there is a need for
the new group, and also that there is no clear cut name that the group
should have, this name at least seems to be as good as any other, and
I hope that we can agree on it.  If there are no major objections,
I'll issue a CALL FOR VOTES on Saturday, March 9th.  As discussed in
the last CFD, this will be an unmoderated group, which reflects my
belief that groups should only be moderated if there are demonstrated
reasons to do so.  To keep things in order I will post a regular
monthly posting that explains the group "rules", and will also send
polite e-mail messages to anyone who goes outside the spirit of the
rules.

Charter for soc.college.gradinfo:
This news group will be restricted to the dissemination of information
about graduate programs.  Currently there are a number of relatively
expensive (and often ineffective) ways for graduate schools to distribute
information including fliers, Peterson's Guides, professional society
student directories, etc.  The proposed new group would provide an
additional, simple place for students who are looking for graduate school
information.  In addition, for many international students it would
become the best way for obtaining information about universities in other
countries.

This will be an unmoderated group, but with a set of rules that are posted
each month.  These rules would be designed to keep the group as effective
as possible as an official source of information for prospective graduate
students.  There will be four conventions or rules:

     1. Standard Subject line, listing the degree area and the university.
	  e.g. Subject: Computer Science, Montana State University
     2. Standard format in the body of the proposal.  Information to be
	  filled in should include:
	  (a) Name, e-address, phone, and snail-address for a contact point.
	  (b) Faculty names, degrees, interests, and e-addresses.
	  (c) Facilities available for graduate students.
	  (d) Availability of financial support.
	  (e) Degrees offered.
	  (f) Specific requirements.  (e.g., GRE, TOEFL, TSE, etc.)
	  (g) Deadline for applications.
	  (h) Description of the university and location (150 words max).
     3. No department will be able to post more than once each month.
     4. All postings must specify a followup field of soc.college

This is a revised CFD for the proposed new group.  In addition to
soc.college, misc.education, and other similar groups, I have cross-posted
to some of the larger overseas soc.culture groups since their readers are
likely to benefit from the proposal, but following the normal USENET
guidelines for group creation, all followups are directed to news.groups,
where discussion should take place.

Denbigh S.
[email protected], [email protected]
406-994-4780 (work), 406-586-7614 (home)

From [email protected] Mon Sep 27 12:31:46 1993
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From: [email protected] (Denbigh Starkey)
Subject: CFV:  soc.college.gradinfo
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CALL FOR VOTES:  soc.college.gradinfo   To be used exclusively for periodic
announcements, in standard form, describing graduate programs.

Voting Rules:
Following normal USENET guidelines, votes must be e-mailed, and votes posted
to the net will not be counted.  All votes should be mailed to
     [email protected]
with an unambiguous vote in the Subject: line.  E.g., say either
     "I vote YES on soc.college.gradinfo"
or
     "I vote NO on soc.college.gradinfo"
as the Subject:.  Exact wording is not necessary, but votes must be
unambiguous to be counted.  The voting period will last through April 5,
1991, and only votes received by midnight (MST) on that day will be
counted.  After two weeks (approx. March 23rd) I will post a mass
acknowledgement of all votes that have been received by that time.

Charter for soc.college.gradinfo:
The news group will be restricted to the dissemination, by academic
departments, of information about graduate programs.  The new group will
provide a simple place for students who are looking for graduate school
information. 

This will be an unmoderated group, but with a set of "rules" that are
posted each month.  These rules are designed to keep the group as effective
as possible as an official source of information for prospective graduate
students.  As discussed below, there will be a group guardian, who will
make sure that the rules are followed.  There will be four rules:

     1. Standard Subject line, listing the degree area and the university.
	  e.g. Subject: Computer Science, Montana State University
     2. Standard format in the body of the proposal.  Information to be
	  filled in will be:
	  (a) Name, e-address, phone, and snail-address for a contact point.
	  (b) Faculty names, degrees, interests, and e-addresses.
	  (c) Facilities available for graduate students.
	  (d) Availability of financial support.
	  (e) Degrees offered.
	  (f) Specific requirements.  (e.g., GRE, TOEFL, TSE, etc.)
	  (g) Deadline for applications.
	  (h) Description of the university and location (200 words max.).
     3. No department will be able to post more than once each month.
     4. All postings must specify a followup field of soc.college

The proposer, [email protected] (Denbigh Starkey), will be the group
guardian responsible for the monthly posting of group "rules", and will
also be responsible for sending polite e-mail to anyone who violates
these rules.

From [email protected] Wed Apr  5 19:33:30 1995
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From: [email protected] (Denbigh Starkey)
Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK:  soc.college.gradinfo
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2nd CALL FOR VOTES and MASS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT:
soc.college.gradinfo   To be used exclusively for periodic announcements,
     in standard form, describing graduate programs.

Voting Rules:
Under normal USENET guidelines, votes must be e-mailed, and votes posted
to the net will not be counted.  All votes should be mailed to
     [email protected]
with an unambiguous vote, preferably in the Subject: line.  E.g., say either
     "I vote YES on soc.college.gradinfo"
or
     "I vote NO on soc.college.gradinfo"
as the Subject:.  Exact wording is not necessary, but votes must be
unambiguous to be counted.  The voting period will last through April 5,
1991, and only votes received by midnight (MST) on that day will be
counted.  At the end of this posting I will list the names of all current
voters.

Charter for soc.college.gradinfo:
The news group will be restricted to the dissemination, by academic
departments, of information about graduate programs.  The new group will
provide a simple place for students who are looking for graduate school
information.  In addition, for many international students it will become
the best way for obtaining information about universities in other countries.

This will be an unmoderated group, but with a set of "rules" that are
posted each month.  These rules are designed to keep the group as effective
as possible as an official source of information for prospective graduate
students.  As discussed below, there will be a group guardian, who will
make sure that the rules are followed.  There will be four rules:

     1. Standard Subject line, listing the degree area and the university.
	  e.g. Subject: Computer Science, Montana State University
     2. Standard format in the body of the proposal.  Information to be
	  filled in will be:
	  (a) Name, e-address, phone, and snail-address for a contact point.
	  (b) Faculty names, degrees, interests, and e-addresses.
	  (c) Facilities available for graduate students.
	  (d) Availability of financial support.
	  (e) Degrees offered.
	  (f) Specific requirements.  (e.g., GRE, TOEFL, TSE, etc.)
	  (g) Deadline for applications.
	  (h) Description of the university and location (200 words max.).
     3. No department will be able to post more than once each month.
     4. All postings must specify a followup field of soc.college

The proposer, [email protected] (Denbigh Starkey), will be the group
guardian responsible for the monthly posting of group "rules", and will
also be responsible for sending polite e-mail to anyone who violates
these rules.

VOTES CURRENTLY RECEIVED, MASS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
The following votes have been received by midnight, March 24, 1991.  They
are sorted by the From: field in the mailer.

"Atul A. Patankar" <[email protected]>
"Barbara J. Kratz" <[email protected]>
"DOROTHEA MAY ROVNER" <[email protected]>
"Kaushal B. Majmudar" <[email protected]>
"S. Karthik" <skarthik%[email protected]>
"Stuart L Labovitz" <valinor!stu>
"sendhil  revuluri" <[email protected]>
[email protected]
Bill Wohler <[email protected]>
Bj|rn Smestad <[email protected]>
Brian Davis <brian%[email protected]>
Carolyn Philippe <[email protected]>
Chris Cheatham <[email protected]>
Chris Pounds <[email protected]>
Christopher Bryden <[email protected]>
Chuck Carroll <[email protected]>
Cliff Joslyn <[email protected]>
Curt Schroeder <[email protected]>
Dark Knight <[email protected]>
David G. Paschich <[email protected]>
Dwight Spencer <[email protected]>
E. K. Cashman <[email protected]>
Germaine Leveque <[email protected]>
Jamie Blustein <[email protected]>
Jim Roche <[email protected]>
Kyle Gay GEOLOGY <[email protected]>
MSC <[email protected]>
Mark M Mehl <[email protected]>
Michael Diers <[email protected]>
[email protected]
Oystein Groevlen <[email protected]>
Patrick Juola <[email protected]>
Paul A. Scowen <[email protected]>
Paul Pomes - UofIllinois CSO <[email protected]>
Peter Voros <[email protected]>
Ray Charbonneau  | I feel so inar-inar-inar-inar tic-u-late <[email protected]>
Richard H. Miller <[email protected]>
Sam "Lord Byron" Choi <[email protected]>
Snorre Aunet <[email protected]>
Srinivas Kandala <[email protected]>
Stan Barber <[email protected]>
Tim Becker <[email protected]>
[email protected]
Yaakov Kayman <[email protected]>
Zi-Kui Liu  <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Arthur David Olson)
[email protected] (Ajay T Joseph)
[email protected] (Wei-Lun Li)
[email protected] (Jean Marie Diaz)
[email protected] (Bor-Jau Hsieh)
[email protected] Sun Mar 10 14:06:12 1991
[email protected] (Ranjan Bagchi)
[email protected] (Bibhuti Bhusan Banerjee)
[email protected] (B.K. Prabhakar)
[email protected] (Carol Botteron)
[email protected] (Carl Rigney)
[email protected] (Chip Rosenthal)
[email protected] (Cynthia Norman)
[email protected] (Daniel Jacobson)
[email protected] (David Robinson)
[email protected] (Deepak Narain)
[email protected] (M. J. Cole)
[email protected] (Duanyang Guo)
[email protected] (Ronald V. Dziuk Jr.)
[email protected] (Ed Vielmetti)
[email protected] (Zhigang Yang)
[email protected] (Praveen K Goli)
[email protected] (Jon Grantham)
[email protected] (Neeraj Gulati)
[email protected] (Denbigh Starkey)
[email protected] (Joe Geigel)
[email protected] (Jordan Boucher)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Jude A. George)
junikka%[email protected]
[email protected] (George S Kardaras)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Jerry Killam)
[email protected] (Liu Qin)
[email protected] (Lynn Robinson)
[email protected] (Manoj K. Jain)
[email protected] (Michael C. Berch)
[email protected] (Meenakshi Arunaohalam)
[email protected] (Michelangelo Grigni)
[email protected] (Michael P. Gerlek)
[email protected] (Samir Mittal)
[email protected] (Munish K. Jain)
[email protected] (Norwitz Neal)
[email protected] (Jaye Mathisen)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Raymond Yee)
[email protected] (Ron Dawson)
[email protected] (Chris Spell)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Donald Seibert)
[email protected] (Mohammad Shahid Shaikh)
[email protected] (Shankar Pennathur)
sh[email protected] (Ilya Shmulevich)
[email protected] (Meta Sienkiewicz)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Song Hudong)
[email protected] (Satish Srinivas)
[email protected] (Ken Staggers)
[email protected] ( V. Guru Shankar)
[email protected] (Tong Sun)
the dirty vicar <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Timothy W. Lynch)
[email protected] (Tom Frauenhofer)
u-lchoqu%[email protected] (Lee Choquette)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Yoshio Abe)
[email protected]

From [email protected] Mon Sep 11 16:15:00 1995
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From: [email protected] (Denbigh Starkey)
Subject: RESULT:  soc.college.gradinfo passes 149: 21
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The voting period for soc.college.gradinfo is now complete, and the
new group passed, 149-21.  This satisfies the USENET guidelines for
new group creation:
   "If 100 more valid YES/create votes are received than NO/don't create
    AND at least 2/3 of the total number of valid votes received are in
    favor of creation, a newgroup control message may be sent out."
So, if no serious complaints or errors are reported in the next five
days, the new group will be created.

Clearly, the vast majority of the voters wanted the new group to be
approved.  Of those who voted NO, only two gave reasons.  Mark Mehl
gave the same reasons that he has given in news.groups postings.
In particular, he is very unhappy with the group name, and would have
preferred it to be under misc.education.  He did, however, say that
    > It's too bad to, because it would have been a good idea.
which implies some level of support.  Jaye Mathisen (my system manager,
who also counted the votes) voted against the group because it will
be unmoderated, and so he expected that
    > Without moderation, it will constantly be filled with new postings from
    > new readers who don't know what the charter is.
Jaye's vote was balanced by [email protected] who voted for the new group
because it was unmoderated.  Editorial comments were included with some
YES votes, including:
    > Yes! Yes! Yes! I hope it passes.  ([email protected])
    > I vote yes on soc.college.gradinfo. it is really needed.
    >       ([email protected])
    > Yes yes yes! ([email protected])
and others along the same line.

In a few cases people voted twice, and if the votes were not consistent
Jaye and I contacted them through e-mail to sort out their intentions.  For
example, one voter first formally abstained, and later voted yes.  In his
case it turned out that initially he used a vote system that randomly
selected YES, NO, or ABSTAIN, and then voted YES in person (I didn't know
until then that some of the newgroup votes are randomly selected by
computers!).  Another voter initially voted YES but then changed to
ABSTAIN when convinced by Mark Mehl's postings about the group name.
No votes were received that were illegal or remained ambiguous after
contacting the voter.

Now it is time to get the group going.  For the group to succeed we need
departments to start posting descriptions.  If you are at a university
and support this group, I request that you contact your department
administration and encourage them to take advantage of this new resource
by posting free descriptions worldwide.  Alternatively, send me e-mail
addresses of relevant department administrators, and I will contact them
and describe the new group.  Note that the group is *not* restricted to
either US departments or to Computer Science Departments.  

Thanks to all who participated.

Denbigh S.
[email protected], [email protected]
406-994-4780 (work), 406-586-7614 (home)

Charter for soc.college.gradinfo:
The news group is restricted to the dissemination, by academic departments,
of information about graduate programs.  The group provides a simple place
for students who are looking for graduate school information.  In addition,
for many international students it is the best way for obtaining information
about universities in other countries.

This is an unmoderated group, but with a set of "rules" that are posted
each month.  These rules are designed to keep the group as effective as
possible as an official source of information for prospective graduate
students.  As discussed below, there will be a group guardian, who makes
sure that the rules are followed.  There are four rules:

     1. Standard Subject line, listing the degree area and the university.
	  e.g. Subject: Computer Science, Montana State University
     2. Standard format in the body of the proposal.  Information to be
	  filled in is limited to:
	  (a) Name, e-address, phone, and snail-address for a contact point.
	  (b) Faculty names, degrees, interests, and e-addresses.
	  (c) Facilities available for graduate students.
	  (d) Availability of financial support.
	  (e) Degrees offered.
	  (f) Specific requirements.  (e.g., GRE, TOEFL, TSE, etc.)
	  (g) Deadline for applications.
	  (h) Description of the university and location (200 words max.).
     3. No department will be able to post more than once each month.
     4. All postings must specify a followup field of soc.college

[email protected] (Denbigh Starkey), is the group guardian responsible
for the monthly posting of group "rules", and is also responsible for
sending polite e-mail to anyone who violates these rules.

Here is the official list of votes.  Please contact me with any corrections,
complaints, duplications, etc., within five days.  Given the large margin
held by the YES votes and the small number of NO votes received, I do not
anticipate that these will change the vote result.  The official group
charter follows the vote listings.

NO votes:
Bj|rn Smestad <[email protected]>
Jim Roche <[email protected]>
Marcus Giese <[email protected]>
Mark M Mehl <[email protected]>
Paul Pomes - UofIllinois CSO <[email protected]>
Ray Charbonneau  | I feel so inar-inar-inar-inar tic-u-late <[email protected]>
Richard H. Miller <[email protected]>
Tim Becker <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Arthur David Olson)
[email protected] (Jean Marie Diaz)
[email protected] (Carl Rigney)
[email protected] (Charleen Bunjiovianna Stoner)
[email protected] (Chip Rosenthal)
[email protected] (David Robinson)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Michael C. Berch)
[email protected] (Jaye Mathisen)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Leonard Peirce)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Murray R Supple)

ABSTAIN vote:
[email protected]

YES votes:
"Atul A. Patankar" <[email protected]>
"Barbara J. Kratz" <[email protected]>
"Bill Bradley, HSC Beard #3" <[email protected]>
"Christopher F. Bryden" <[email protected]>
"Clark P. Wells" <[email protected]>
"DOROTHEA MAY ROVNER" <[email protected]>
"Joy Haftel" <[email protected]>
"Kaushal B. Majmudar" <[email protected]>
"S. Karthik" <skarthik%[email protected]>
"Stuart L Labovitz" <valinor!stu>
"sendhil  revuluri" <[email protected]>
[email protected]
[email protected]
Bill Wohler <[email protected]>
Bob Devine  25-Mar-1991 1129 <[email protected]>
Brian Davis <brian%[email protected]>
Carolyn Philippe <[email protected]>
Chris Cheatham <[email protected]>
Chris Pounds <[email protected]>
Chuck Carroll <[email protected]>
Cliff Joslyn <[email protected]>
Curt Schroeder <[email protected]>
Dark Knight <[email protected]>
David G. Paschich <[email protected]>
David Stodolsky <[email protected]>
Dwight Spencer <[email protected]>
E. K. Cashman <[email protected]>
Florestan || Eusebius <[email protected]>
Germaine Leveque <[email protected]>
Hemin Xiao <[email protected]>
[email protected]
Jamie Blustein <[email protected]>
Jeffrey Hsu <[email protected]>
John A December <[email protected]>
Kyle Gay GEOLOGY <[email protected]>
MSC <[email protected]>
Manish Gupta <[email protected]>
Marcel's RAs <[email protected]>
Michael Diers <[email protected]>
[email protected]
Oystein Groevlen <[email protected]>
Patrick Juola <[email protected]>
Paul A. Scowen <[email protected]>
Peter Voros <[email protected]>
Sam "Lord Byron" Choi <[email protected]>
Se kumarakulasinghe <[email protected]>
Snorre Aunet <[email protected]>
[email protected]
Srinivas Kandala <[email protected]>
Stan Barber <[email protected]>
Steve Reeves <[email protected]>
[email protected]
Yaakov Kayman <[email protected]>
Your friendly neighbourhood Lab GTA <[email protected]>
Zi-Kui Liu  <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Ajay T Joseph)
[email protected] (Wei-Lun Li)
[email protected] (Bor-Jau Hsieh)
[email protected] (Anuj Srivastava)
[email protected] (Anurag Rastogi )
[email protected] Sun Mar 10 14:06:12 1991
[email protected] (Ranjan Bagchi)
[email protected] (Bibhuti Bhusan Banerjee)
[email protected] (B.K. Prabhakar)
[email protected] (Carol Botteron)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Catherine Middleton)
[email protected] (Carrie E Ware)
[email protected] (CHRISTOPHER GANTZ)
[email protected] (Cynthia Norman)
[email protected] (Terry Rawlings)
[email protected] (Daniel Jacobson)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Deepak Narain)
[email protected] (M. J. Cole)
[email protected] (Duanyang Guo)
[email protected] (Ronald V. Dziuk Jr.)
[email protected] (Ed Vielmetti)
[email protected] (Frank Hadsell)
[email protected] (Zhigang Yang)
[email protected] (Praveen K Goli)
gopichand koganti <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Jon Grantham)
[email protected] (Lee Bennett)
[email protected] (LIPP,ANDREAS MARTIN)
[email protected] (Neeraj Gulati)
[email protected] 
[email protected] (Denbigh Starkey)
[email protected] (down++)
[email protected] (Jigang Yang)
[email protected] (Joe Geigel)
[email protected] (Jordan Boucher)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Jude A. George)
junikka%[email protected]
[email protected] (Victor Kan)
[email protected] (George S Kardaras)
[email protected] (Jerry Killam)
[email protected] (La'szlo' Lada'nyi)
[email protected] (Liu Qin)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Lynn Robinson)
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