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From [email protected] Tue Nov 22 10:59:39 1994
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Subject: RFD: soc.culture.saudi
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION
======================

Group Name:    			soc.culture.saudi
Status:            		Unmoderated
Distribution:   		Worldwide
Summary:        		Discussion about the culture of Saudi Arabia
Proposed by:        	K. Faid ([email protected])

This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
unmoderated newsgroup soc.culture.saudi.

CHARTER
=======

soc.culture.saudi is intended to be an unmoderated forum for
discussion on issues relevant to the culture, people, resources, and
politics of Saudi Arabia, as well as the role of Saudi Arabia in the
political, religious, and financial matters in both the regional and
global scope.

The discussions will be in English.

RATIONALE
=========

Saudi Arabia has a unique role in the cultural, political, religious,
and financial affairs of both the Middle East and the world, if only
for its mineral resources, and Islamic holy sites, and proximity to
political hot-buttons.

While these matters have some existing groups (e.g. soc.culture.arabic,
talk.politics.mideast, soc.religion.islam, ..etc.), they are scattered
all over, and there is a genuine need for a forum to discuss these
matters in a united group with a narrower emphasis.

It is expected that participants in these discussions will include
Saudi citizens (students, etc.), as well as people around the world
interested in Saudi Arabia from a political, religious, or financial
perspective

RFD and CFV
===========

The discussion will be held in news.groups.  The discussion will start
>from now and will last for three weeks, until December 11, 1994.  A
Call for Votes (CFV) will be posted shortly after the end of the
discussion period. The voting will be conducted by a third-party.

From [email protected] Tue Jan 24 22:54:39 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Ed Bailey)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.misc,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.kuwait,alt.religion.islam
Subject: CFV: soc.culture.saudi
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                FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (1st of 2)

Unmoderated group soc.culture.saudi

Newsgroups line:
soc.culture.saudi	Culture and politics of Saudi Arabia.

Votes must be recieved by 23:59 GMT, 15 February 1995.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Voting questions
should be directed to Ed Bailey ([email protected]).  For questions
about the proposed group, contact K. Faid <[email protected]>.

CHARTER

soc.culture.saudi is intended to be an unmoderated forum for
discussion on issues relevant to the culture, people, resources, and
politics of Saudi Arabia, as well as its role in the political,
religious, and financial matters in both the regional and global
scope. Discussions are to encompass all viewpoints and are not to be
limited in any fashion to any one over the other. In particular,
discussions about the country's politics and economics are permitted.


HOW TO VOTE

You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to
	[email protected]
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counted.  You will recieve a reply within a few days after your votes
are recieved which indicates how I think you voted - please mail
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PLEASE USE THE FORM AS IT IS.

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use that account.  100 more YES votes than NO votes and 2/3 of all votes being
YES are the requirements for group creation.

Thank you for taking the time to vote,
Ed Bailey
--
Ed Bailey                | Voice: (512) 471-4198   Fax: (512) 471-6715
Inst. for Fusion Studies | Internet: [email protected]{hagar,ziggy}.ph.utexas.edu,
Univ. of Texas at Austin |   [email protected], or [email protected]
Austin TX  78712         | "No pithy quotes.  Just email addresses."

From [email protected] Sun Feb 12 22:48:21 1995
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From: [email protected] (Ed Bailey)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.misc,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.kuwait,alt.religion.islam
Subject: 2nd CFV: soc.culture.saudi
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                SECOND AND FINAL CALL FOR VOTES (2nd of 2)

Unmoderated group soc.culture.saudi

Newsgroups line:
soc.culture.saudi	Culture and politics of Saudi Arabia.

Votes must be recieved by 23:59 GMT, 15 February 1995.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Voting questions
should be directed to Ed Bailey ([email protected]).  For questions
about the proposed group, contact K. Faid <[email protected]>.

CHARTER

soc.culture.saudi is intended to be an unmoderated forum for
discussion on issues relevant to the culture, people, resources, and
politics of Saudi Arabia, as well as its role in the political,
religious, and financial matters in both the regional and global
scope. Discussions are to encompass all viewpoints and are not to be
limited in any fashion to any one over the other. In particular,
discussions about the country's politics and economics are permitted.


HOW TO VOTE

You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to
	[email protected]
(just replying by MAIL to this message should work).  Posts can not be
counted.  You will recieve a reply within a few days after your votes
are recieved which indicates how I think you voted - please mail
corrections immediately.

PLEASE USE THE FORM AS IT IS.

Please do not delete anything between the "-=-=-=-=-" lines - and most
certainly do not monkey with the group names. Votes will be tallied by an
automatic program and if it can't determine your vote you will be asked to
re-vote.

For each group, simply add your vote in the appropriate space on the same
line.  Recognized votes are Yes, No, For, and Against. Yes and For are
equivalent, as are No and Against.  Capitalization is not important. If you
don't want to vote on a particular group, just leave the space blank.  Don't
worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters ">" that your
reply inserts.

You may _NOT_ do a combined vote - i.e., "I vote for all of them" or
"I vote against all of them."  Please use the form.

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You may only vote once, regardless of how many accounts you may have.  Only
one vote per account, regardless of how many people use that account.  Later
votes replace previous ones.  Forwarded or proxy votes are invalid.

Standard Guidelines for voting apply - one vote per person regardless of how
many accounts you have, one vote per account regardless of how many people
use that account.  100 more YES votes than NO votes and 2/3 of all votes being
YES are the requirements for group creation.

BOUNCED VOTE ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS

All votes received by February 5th, 23:59 GMT have been counted and ACKed.
Vote acknowledgements sent to the following addresses have bounced.  These
votes *have* been counted, but I have been unable to reply to their mail.
If you voted, but you have NOT received an ACK *and* your name is NOT listed
below, then your vote was probably lost somewhere in the ether.  Please
send another vote to [email protected]

  ** None **

The following people have sent malformed ballots which have not been
superceded by a Yes, No, or Abstain vote.  These people should revote.

[email protected]                                     Alain Chammas
   ! No vote statement in message
[email protected]                                       Jason M Alshawy
   ! No vote statement in message
[email protected]                        A. Engler Anderson
   ! No vote statement in message
[email protected]                                    Green Castle Lover.
   ! No vote statement in message
[email protected]                                                  Digitek326
   ! No vote statement in message
[email protected]                                            None given
   ! No ballot
[email protected]                                            
   ! No vote statement in message

Thank you for taking the time to vote,
Ed Bailey
-- 
Ed Bailey                | Voice: (512) 471-4198   Fax: (512) 471-6715
Inst. for Fusion Studies | Internet: [email protected]{hagar,ziggy}.ph.utexas.edu,
Univ. of Texas at Austin |   [email protected], or [email protected]
Austin TX  78712         | "No pithy quotes.  Just email addresses."

From [email protected] Fri Feb 24 18:27:12 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Ed Bailey)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.misc,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.kuwait,alt.religion.islam
Subject: RESULT: soc.culture.saudi fails 78:21
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                               RESULT

               unmoderated group soc.culture.saudi fails 78:21

Voting for soc.culture.saudi closed 23:59 GMT, 15 February 1995.
There were 78 YES votes and 21 NO votes, for a total of 99 valid votes. 
There were 3 abstains and 12 invalid ballots.  13 ballots were superceded
or discarded as duplicates.

For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. 

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. 
Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group may
not be voted on again for six months.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  Voting questions should
be directed to Ed Bailey ([email protected]).  For questions about
the proposal, contact K. Faid <[email protected]>.

CHARTER

soc.culture.saudi is intended to be an unmoderated forum for
discussion on issues relevant to the culture, people, resources, and
politics of Saudi Arabia, as well as its role in the political,
religious, and financial matters in both the regional and global
scope. Discussions are to encompass all viewpoints and are not to be
limited in any fashion to any one over the other. In particular,
discussions about the country's politics and economics are permitted.


soc.culture.saudi Final Vote Ack

Voted Yes
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[email protected]                                     Olivier Da Lage
[email protected]                                               Majd Abbar
[email protected]                                          Al Aab - CNED/W94
[email protected]                                Adnan A. Adas
[email protected]                                    Abdullah
[email protected]                                             Adil E. Rajput
[email protected]                                      Abdulrahman Muhanna
[email protected]                                               Fawaz Al-Anzi
[email protected]                                      Seyed A Alavizadeh
[email protected]                                         alhammad, khalid
[email protected]                              Diya M. Al-Sarraj
[email protected]                                         Mokbel Sayed
[email protected]                                            Joseph F. Angel
[email protected]                                                    Jim Ault
[email protected]                                         Badr H. Al-Badr
[email protected]u                               Brenda Bickett
[email protected]                                         Dr Bruce Scott
[email protected]                                          Jeffrey A. Kintscher
[email protected]                                                  Azer Bestavros
[email protected]                                                 B.J. Herbison
[email protected]                                Birgit Nazaryan
[email protected]                                       Brian Van Den Broeke
[email protected]                               Mentor Cana
[email protected]                                      Chris Stone
[email protected]                                     Al-Arfaj
[email protected]                                           Emil Lodal Hansen
[email protected]                                      Greg Franklin
[email protected]                                       Glenn Millen
[email protected]                                                HABIB NAJJAR
[email protected]                                                Heidi Collier
[email protected]                                      Henning Holtschneider
[email protected]                                               Zaki Al-Awwami
[email protected]                                                        idem
[email protected]                                               Haisam K. Ido
[email protected]                                          Alex Khalil
[email protected]                                       Jaime Carvalho e Silva
[email protected]                                       James Chokey
[email protected]                                                Joseph F. Simon
[email protected]                                              Jim Henschel
[email protected]                                          jebreen jebreen
[email protected]                                             John Heelan
[email protected]                                                Jan Pieter Kunst
[email protected]                                               Hasnain Khan
[email protected]                                        Khalid Salha
[email protected]                                               Fayrouz
[email protected]                                             Ulf Lindroth
[email protected]                                                       L. Said
[email protected]                                  Algahtani
[email protected]                                               bassem medawar
[email protected]                                                  Mike Hatz
[email protected]                           Suleman Abdulla Alnatheer
[email protected]                                                oguocha
[email protected]                                         Christopher Ogg
[email protected]                                                                    
[email protected]                                        Pierre Uszynski
[email protected]                                    Michelle Mader
[email protected]                                              Rebecca Drayer
[email protected]                                      Omar M. Ramahi
[email protected]                                Somayia Djani . London .UK
[email protected]                                                Ron Blum
[email protected]                                          Steve Cameron
[email protected]                                       ruben gischler
[email protected]                                              J. Rufinus
[email protected]                                         Michel Le Sann
[email protected]                                             saleh elmohamed
[email protected]                              Samiha K. Ragab
[email protected]                               Mohammed AlShaibi
[email protected]                                     Forneal Sanka
[email protected]                                        Stephen Joseph Smith
[email protected]                                      Joshua Teitelbaum
[email protected]                                                 Tony Ezzat
[email protected]                                             Rogers Cadenhead
[email protected]                                                   A Walker
[email protected]                                              Werner Uhrig
[email protected]                                                Walid Hamdy
[email protected]                                               Yusef B. Albader
[email protected]                                             Marwan Yacoub
[email protected]                               Dave Shariff Yadallee

Voted No
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[email protected]                                          Abdulmalik Alhusseini
[email protected]                           Bernad Batinic
[email protected]                                        Martin H. Booda
[email protected]                                                  Bill Yeakel
[email protected]                                               Christopher Ward
[email protected]                                             david
[email protected]                                                 David W. Crawford
[email protected]                                       William Affleck-Asch
[email protected]                                  Sean P. Ryan
[email protected]                                        Basalat Ali Raja
[email protected]                                 Jeff Murphy
[email protected]                                        John R. Grout
[email protected]                                     John R. MacWilliamson
[email protected]                                                      Larry Smith
[email protected]                                                Fazal Majid
[email protected]                                           Marc Moorcroft
[email protected]                                                 M Mike Taksar
[email protected]                                          Nick Ingegneri
[email protected]                                           Ryan Waldron
[email protected]                                                Richard Miller
[email protected]                                                  Dwight Brown

Abstained
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[email protected]                                   K.P. Crouch
[email protected]                                                  M. Otto
[email protected]                              Somaya Al Dajani.London UK


Votes in error
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[email protected]                                                    Ahmed Mustafa
   ! No vote statement in message
[email protected]                                     Alain Chammas
   ! No vote statement in message
[email protected]                                       Jason M Alshawy
   ! No vote statement in message
[email protected]                        A. Engler Anderson
   ! No vote statement in message
[email protected]                                    Green Castle Lover.
   ! No vote statement in message
[email protected]                                                  Digitek326
   ! No vote statement in message
[email protected]                                            None given
   ! No ballot
[email protected]                                               Mohammed Ahmed
   ! No vote statement in message
[email protected]                                 Nicholas Fitzpatrick
   ! No vote statement in message
[email protected]                                          Corprew Reed
   ! No vote statement in message
[email protected]                                                       
   ! No vote statement in message
[email protected]                                            
   ! No vote statement in message

Thank you for taking the time to vote,
Ed Bailey


From [email protected] Fri Aug 25 17:00:52 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (K. Faid)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.arabic,alt.culture.saudi,soc.culture.kuwait,soc.culture.jordan,soc.culture.egyptian,soc.culture.maghreb,soc.culture.syria,soc.culture.palestine
Subject: RFD: soc.culture.saudi
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Date: 25 Aug 1995 21:00:47 -0000
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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
                 unmoderated group soc.culture.saudi

Summary:                Discussion about the culture of Saudi Arabia
Proposed by:            K. Faid <[email protected]>

This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
unmoderated newsgroup soc.culture.saudi.

RATIONALE:

Saudi Arabia has a role in the cultural, political, religious, and
financial affairs of both the Middle East and the world, if only for
its mineral resources, Islamic holy sites, and proximity to political
hot-buttons.

While these matters have some existing groups (e.g.
soc.culture.arabic, talk.politics.mideast, soc.religion.islam, etc.),
they are scattered all over, and there is a genuine need for a forum
to discuss these matters in a unified group with a narrower emphasis.

alt.culture.saudi was created as an interim solution, and is seeing a
decent amount of traffic. However, being an alt group, it has a
limited propagation, which impairs its usefulness.

CHARTER: soc.culture.saudi

soc.culture.saudi is intended to be an unmoderated forum for
discussion on issues relevant to the culture, people, resources, and
politics of Saudi Arabia.

PROCEDURE:

The discussion will be held in news.groups. The discussion and will
last for three weeks. A Call for Votes (CFV) will be posted shortly
after the end of the discussion period. The voting will be conducted
by a third-party.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD, as well as the CFV will be crossposted to the following
relevant groups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups,
soc.culture.arabic, alt.culture.saudi, soc.culture.kuwait,
soc.culture.jordan, soc.culture.egyptian, soc.culture.maghreb,
soc.culture.syrian, and soc.culture.palestine.

From [email protected] Tue Sep 26 18:22:02 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Bill Aten)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.culture.saudi,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.egyptian,soc.culture.jordan,soc.culture.kuwait,soc.culture.maghreb,soc.culture.palestine,soc.culture.syria
Subject: CFV: soc.culture.saudi
Followup-To: poster
Date: 26 Sep 1995 22:21:57 -0000
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Reply-To: [email protected]
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Archive-Name: soc.culture.saudi
Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7620 news.groups:168622 alt.culture.saudi:1634 soc.culture.arabic:48627 soc.culture.egyptian:5006 soc.culture.jordan:3004 soc.culture.kuwait:4377 soc.culture.maghreb:9568 soc.culture.palestine:15403 soc.culture.syria:3501

                     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                 unmoderated group soc.culture.saudi

Newsgroups line:
soc.culture.saudi	Culture of Saudi Arabia.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 17 Oct 1995.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions
only, contact the votetaker, Bill Aten <[email protected]>.  For questions
about the proposed group, contact the proponent, K. Faid
<[email protected]>.

RATIONALE: soc.culture.saudi

Saudi Arabia has a role in the cultural, political, religious, and
financial affairs of both the Middle East and the world, if only for
its mineral resources, Islamic holy sites, and proximity to political
hot-buttons.

While these matters have some existing groups (e.g. soc.culture.arabic,
talk.politics.mideast, soc.religion.islam, etc.), they are scattered all
over, and there is a genuine need for a forum to discuss these matters
in a unified group with a narrower emphasis.

alt.culture.saudi was created as an interim solution, and is seeing a
decent amount of traffic.  However, being an alt group, it has a
limited propagation, which impairs its usefulness.

CHARTER: soc.culture.saudi

Soc.culture.saudi is intended to be an unmoderated forum for
discussion on issues relevant to the culture, people, resources, and
politics of Saudi Arabia.  Topics regarding the politics and culture of
the Arab world in general and not specific to Saudi Aarbia are to be
discussed elsewhere.

END CHARTER.

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From [email protected] Fri Oct  6 18:34:25 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Bill Aten)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.culture.saudi,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.egyptian,soc.culture.jordan,soc.culture.kuwait,soc.culture.maghreb,soc.culture.palestine,soc.culture.syria
Subject: 2nd CFV: soc.culture.saudi
Supersedes: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: poster
Date: 6 Oct 1995 22:34:16 -0000
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
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Sender: [email protected]
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                      LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                 unmoderated group soc.culture.saudi

Newsgroups line:
soc.culture.saudi	Culture of Saudi Arabia.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 17 Oct 1995.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about the
proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: K. Faid <[email protected]>.
Votetaker: Bill Aten <[email protected]>

RATIONALE: soc.culture.saudi

Saudi Arabia has a role in the cultural, political, religious, and
financial affairs of both the Middle East and the world, if only for
its mineral resources, Islamic holy sites, and proximity to political
hot-buttons.

While these matters have some existing groups (e.g. soc.culture.arabic,
talk.politics.mideast, soc.religion.islam, etc.), they are scattered all
over, and there is a genuine need for a forum to discuss these matters
in a unified group with a narrower emphasis.

alt.culture.saudi was created as an interim solution, and is seeing a
decent amount of traffic.  However, being an alt group, it has a
limited propagation, which impairs its usefulness.

CHARTER: soc.culture.saudi

Soc.culture.saudi is intended to be an unmoderated forum for
discussion on issues relevant to the culture, people, resources, and
politics of Saudi Arabia.  Topics regarding the politics and culture of
the Arab world in general and not specific to Saudi Aarbia are to be
discussed elsewhere.

END CHARTER.

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NO or ABSTAIN next to the item in the ballot.  Distribution of pre-filled
in ballots or modified copies of this CFV is considered voting fraud and
should be reported immediately to the votetaker or the UVV <[email protected]>.

Anonymous votes will not be accepted.  Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms
are considered anonymous votes (the vote must be mailed directly from the
voter to the votetaker).

Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve
only to cancel any previous vote.  Abstentions are noted in the final
vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely
(this is the only difference between the two).

In cases where voting fraud is determined to have occurred, it is standard
operating procedure to delete ALL votes submitted by the violator.

There will be a five-day period following the voting period during which
the published vote list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed.
The requirements for group creation are 100 more YES votes than NO votes,
and 2/3 of all counted votes must be YES.

When in doubt, ask the votetaker.

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DO NOT redistribute this CFV in any manner whatsoever.  Only the votetaker,
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All copies distributed by these individuals will be complete and unmodified.

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be left empty because any contents will be ignored.

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  soc.culture.syria


soc.culture.saudi Bounce List
(No need to revote)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[email protected]                                                    Khalid Aldowaihy

From [email protected] Tue Oct 17 21:41:02 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Bill Aten)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.culture.saudi,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.egyptian,soc.culture.jordan,soc.culture.kuwait,soc.culture.maghreb,soc.culture.palestine,soc.culture.syria
Subject: RESULT: soc.culture.saudi fails 73:23
Supersedes: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: news.groups
Date: 18 Oct 1995 01:40:57 -0000
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
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                                RESULT
           unmoderated group soc.culture.saudi fails 73:23

Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 17 Oct 1995.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about the
proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: K. Faid <[email protected]>.
Votetaker: Bill Aten <[email protected]>

There were 96 valid votes submitted during the voting period.  Each proposed
newsgroup, in order to pass, must have at least 2/3 YES votes and at least
100 more YES than NO votes.  The results are as follows:

soc.culture.saudi results - 96 valid votes

 Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
  73   23 :  Yes    No :    No : soc.culture.saudi
   1 abstaining vote  and 2 invalid votes

The proposal failed.

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
Unless serious and significant allegations of voting irregularities are
raised, the proposal may not be voted on again for six months.

The remainder of the RESULT contains:
   Newsgroups Line
   Rationale
   Charter
   Final Voting Acknowledgements

NEWSGROUPS LINE:

soc.culture.saudi	Culture of Saudi Arabia.

RATIONALE: soc.culture.saudi

Saudi Arabia has a role in the cultural, political, religious, and
financial affairs of both the Middle East and the world, if only for
its mineral resources, Islamic holy sites, and proximity to political
hot-buttons.

While these matters have some existing groups (e.g. soc.culture.arabic,
talk.politics.mideast, soc.religion.islam, etc.), they are scattered all
over, and there is a genuine need for a forum to discuss these matters
in a unified group with a narrower emphasis.

alt.culture.saudi was created as an interim solution, and is seeing a
decent amount of traffic.  However, being an alt group, it has a
limited propagation, which impairs its usefulness.

CHARTER: soc.culture.saudi

Soc.culture.saudi is intended to be an unmoderated forum for
discussion on issues relevant to the culture, people, resources, and
politics of Saudi Arabia.  Topics regarding the politics and culture of
the Arab world in general and not specific to Saudi Aarbia are to be
discussed elsewhere.

END CHARTER.

FINAL VOTING ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS:

soc.culture.saudi Final Vote Ack


                                                        soc.culture.saudi ---+
                                                                             |
[email protected]                                      Mahmood Bukh Y
[email protected]                            Shareefa Abu Mohammed N
[email protected]                                        Nigel Allen Y
[email protected]                                            Alam Faizli Y
[email protected]                                         Maamoun C. Alhalabi Y
[email protected]                                         Mansour Al-Johar Y
[email protected]                                      Muhammad Saggaf Y
[email protected]                                   Andreas Magdeburg N
[email protected]                                              Anwar Mohammed Y
[email protected]                                                Abu Burooj Y
[email protected]                                          Bruce Scott Y
[email protected]                                        William Joseph Winn Y
[email protected]                                               B.J. Herbison Y
[email protected]                                                  Cal Evans N
[email protected]tcom.com                                            Mark Kupferman N
[email protected]                           Christopher B. Stone Y
[email protected]                                 Christina Al-Sudairy Larse Y
[email protected]                                             Chris Stamper N
[email protected]                                                      Jon Shaw Y
[email protected]                                   K. Crouch -
[email protected]                                             Michiel Wijers N
[email protected]                                             Reesie Kim Y
[email protected]                                    Diya M. Al-Sarraj Y
[email protected]                                               Denis A. Steulet Y
[email protected]                      Dave Shariff Yadallee Y
[email protected]                                                   Dan Rothschild Y
[email protected]                                                  Eisa Aleisa Y
[email protected]                                        SAMI ELKHAYRI Y
[email protected]                             ESSEBBAR Abderrahman Y
[email protected]                                       Alan Fleming Y
[email protected]                                   Faheem Zakaria Y
[email protected]                                             George Pollard Y
[email protected]                             Helena Etelaaho Y
[email protected]                                   HAZEM TAYSER NASEREDDIN Y
[email protected]                                                 Idem R.O. Y
[email protected]                                    Alexandre Khalil Y
[email protected]                                               Jerry Ennis Y
[email protected]                                          Joe St Sauver Y
[email protected]                                               Joe Meadors Y
[email protected]                                                 Trevor Tymchuk Y
[email protected]                                   John R. MacWilliamson N
[email protected]                                            K Faid Y
[email protected]                                                  Khalid Aldowaihy Y
[email protected]                                            Kay Hardy Campbell Y
[email protected]                                          Kevin Criss Y
[email protected]                                            Kevin Mitchell N
[email protected]                                              Lance Chun N
[email protected]                                         Karl J Borst N
[email protected]                                Martin Schr"oder Y
[email protected]                               Ahmed Alshum Y
[email protected]                                Wael Kortam Y
[email protected]                           Wafa Almobaireek Y
[email protected]                                   Lee S. Bumgarner Y
[email protected]                          Moraya Algahtani Y
[email protected]                                               M Mike Taksar N
[email protected]                                   Michael Daniels Y
[email protected]                                   Randy Finder Y
[email protected]                                       Nazeh Al-Zubi Y
[email protected]                                             Ken Nelson N
[email protected]                                               Adil Al-Hadithy Y
[email protected]                                               oguocha  Y
[email protected]                                           Olav Nieuwejaar N
[email protected]                                             david parsons N
[email protected]                                 Patrick J. LoPresti N
[email protected]                                     Pam Austin Y
[email protected]                                      periathamby.j Y
[email protected]                                              Bilal A. Bhutta Y
[email protected]                                             Hublou, Patrick Y
[email protected]                                        Parimal Patel N
[email protected]                                            Rebecca Drayer Y
[email protected]                                                Richard Body Y
[email protected]                                              Richard Miller N
[email protected]                                         Robert Lipman N
[email protected]                                           Rania Masri Y
[email protected]                                   Glen Patrick Ryan N
[email protected]                                            Nayel S. Shafei Y
[email protected]                                  Shrisha Rao N
[email protected]                                                     S. Rennacker Y
[email protected]                          Mohamed Soliman Y
[email protected]                                                Dwight Brown N
[email protected]                              Steve McMahon Y
[email protected]                                                  Coralie Allen Y
[email protected]                                                     Todd Greco Y
[email protected]                                  Thilo Pfennig N
[email protected]                               Jeremy L. Thomas I Y
[email protected]                            Todd C. Lawson Y
[email protected]                                   Tracy Crowe Y
[email protected]                                    Tareq Fakhroo Y
[email protected]                                Turki Al-Qusaimi Y
[email protected]                                   Vivian Hermiz N
[email protected]                                        Waleed Al-Eisa Y
[email protected]                                              Walid Hamdy Y
[email protected]                                       Risto Widenius Y
[email protected]                                          Allison al-Bishawi Y
[email protected]                                   Yousuf Bukhashim Y
[email protected]                                         Yves Le Duc Y
[email protected]                                               Sany Zakharia Y


Votes in error
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[email protected]                                    E.G. Ghanem
   ! No ballot
[email protected]                                                Gateway
   ! No ballot
 
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