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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
moderated group soc.genealogy.jewish.misc (renames soc.genealogy.jewish)
             moderated group soc.genealogy.jewish.methods

Newsgroup lines:
soc.genealogy.jewish.methods	Jewish genealogical methods and resources. (Moderated)
soc.genealogy.jewish.misc	Jewish genealogy general discussion. (Moderated)

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the reorganization
of Usenet newsgroup soc.genealogy.jewish.  This is not a Call for
Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.  Discussion about this
proposal should take place in the newsgroup: news.groups. Other
procedural details are below.

RATIONALE: all groups

The present forum for Jewish genealogy discussion,
soc.genealogy.jewish, has become a phenomenal success and has grown
considerably in volume since its creation two years ago. Due to
increased readership, the general area of Jewish genealogical
methodology -- which was once the major focus of the discussion -- has
been diluted by the now overwhelming quantity of name, town, and other
personal queries. Methodology discussion typically includes how-to,
give-and-take, case studies, scholarly discussions, research sources,
etc.

Jewish genealogy is often quite different from other types of
genealogy.  This is because Jewish records were often segregated and
located in different archives scattered throughout the world. In many
cases, the records may exist in unusual places and in a variety of
languages. Primary records are often rare, requiring the researcher to
use novel approaches to infer family lines. When Jewish genealogists
make use of primary records, they are often limited to 20th century
records within the country of immigration.  These types of records
tend to be underutilized by other types of genealogists. Most Jewish
surnames are a relatively new phenomenon (typically more recent then
1790), making records research that much more difficult.

The purpose of this reorganization is to create the opportunity for
discussions about Jewish genealogy methodology to flourish in their
own separate worldwide newsgroup. It is hoped that this new group will
encourage Jewish genealogy scholars and experts to share their
knowledge with those just starting out.

This reorganization is designed to allow for future Usenet newsgroup
expansion and to allow for enhancement of the ever-increasing
discussions about Jewish genealogy. This reorganization is meant to
enhance the overall quality Jewish genealogical discussions taking
place on the Internet and to augment the present discussion taking
place in soc.genealogy.jewish (and it's twin mailing list
[email protected]).

Because the new soc.genealogy.jewish.methods group necessitates a new
level in the Usenet hierarchy, standard Usenet practices dictate that
the upper level group name, soc.genealogy.jewish, be relocated at the
new lower level. Renaming soc.genealogy.jewish to
soc.genealogy.jewish.misc follows the precedents set in other Usenet
reorganizations. For further information about these practices, please
refer to David Wright's "Guidelines for Usenet Newsgroup Names" FAQ,
posted periodically in the newsgroups news.announce.newgroups,
news.groups, and news.answers.

The change in name is the only change being proposed for the current
group soc.genealogy.jewish. The charter adopted in Nov. 1994 will
remain in effect and is reiterated below. Moderation and gatewayed
mailing lists will be unchanged. Those receiving their messages
through that mailing list should see no change. Other than the Usenet
Newsgroup name change, no other changes are being proposed for this
group.

END RATIONALE.

CHARTER: soc.genealogy.jewish.methods

This is a worldwide news group for discussion of Jewish genealogical
methods, case studies, tips, techniques, and resources.

Appropriate types of articles would include discussions of research
sources, research results of a general nature, FAQs, book lists,
personal insight essays, announcements of new publications and
research, analyses of historical patterns (such as naming patterns,
migration routes, language styles, cultural influences, etc.), how-to
techniques and tips, analysis of research problems, and reviews of
current research.

Examples of topics include:

* Records and other resources, primary and secondary, public or private:
  anything related to locating, accessing, evaluating, interpreting, and/or
  preserving them from a Jewish genealogical perspective;
* Evidence: proof; evaluation of conflicting sources;
* Patterns and conditions of Jewish life in the past: laws, trades,
  migration routes, culture, economic conditions, etc. which can help
  interpret the evidence we find as well as provide an ancestral context;
* Jewish naming patterns;
* Interdisciplinary discussions: (demographics, genetics, medicine,
  stylistic analysis, law etc.).

Queries relating to the above are encouraged. Two-way discussions of a
scholarly nature are welcome and encouraged. Beginners as well as
experts are encouraged to share in the give-and-take.

Short, one-time commercial announcements of books, seminars, etc. may
also be acceptable at the discretion of the moderators. The test for
accepting these commercial announcements will be whether they are of
general interest to the subscribers.

Moderation Policy
-----------------
We believe that moderation is not censorship and should never be
allowed to become the same.  However, we also believe that a newsgroup
should be free of irrelevant postings and wasted bandwidth. The
philosophy of moderation is to be light-handed and to offer extra help
behind the scenes for new participants, who may be experiencing
problems with e-mail addresses or net customs or the like.  This
assistance will be offered privately, in response to posts which,
judging from past experience, are likely to be objected to by at least
some other participants (e.g.personal attacks, questions fully covered
in a FAQ file, items which were intended to be personal e-mail;
incomplete questions; etc).

Rejected messages will always be returned to the sender with an
explanation from the moderator. Likewise, the moderators will not
alter any message, with the possible exception that long 'tag lines'
may be eliminated.

The following shall be off-topic for soc.genealogy.jewish.methods:

1) Posts not related to the purposes of soc.genealogy.jewish.methods.

2) Crossposts to other newsgroups, other than judicious and limited
  crossposts to other relevant discussion groups.

3) Posts that may flagrantly violate copyright laws, or the rules imposed
  by the mailing list provider.

4) "Me too" posts; posts that contain an unreasonable amount of quoted
  text; posts that do not contribute any new discussion to an ongoing
  thread; intensely repetitive posts; polemics.

5) Specific name queries, which typically involve individuals who are
  searching for specific relations in their family lines. However, name
  discussion IS appropriate, if it is of general interest and the specific
  family line is incidental to the discussion. Examples of acceptable
  general interest name discussion include research about certain
  long-established and famous Jewish families (such as Rapaport,
  Rothschild, Katzenellenbogen), or research about historical naming
  patterns. The criteria used to determine whether a name query is
  is acceptable is whether it is of general interest and has a wider
  audience beyond just the family members.

6) Specific town or location queries, which typically involve individuals
  either searching for a location or searching for people who may have
  lived in the same town. Geography queries and discussion ARE appropriate,
  if they are of general interest or involve more global issues, such as
  migration patterns, how-to type queries, resources, etc.

7) Specific queries that are narrow-focused soley upon an individual's
  singular genealogy. Examples: "Am I Jewish? My grandfather did thus-and-
  such..." or "Can someone look up records for me in thus-and-such
  archive..."

8) Overtly religious content of which genealogy is a only secondary topic.
  The discussion group focuses on the genealogical aspects of Jewish
  culture, which is intended to be non-denominational, non-evangelical, and
  inclusive of non-Jews.

9) Commercial advertisements or personal advertisements that have nothing
  to do with Jewish genealogy; "spam" articles; and robogenerated articles.

10) Excessively polemical postings. The moderators shall interpret this
  rule loosely -- newsgroups are not academic journals -- but excessively
  opinionated debate with a lack of solid facts, will result in a
  termination of the discussion thread.

11) Posts containing profanity or excessive rudeness; posts that lack
  appropriate civility.  While well-placed heckles are acceptable,
  flamewars are not.  Any post full of personal abuse, slander or libel,
  or unauthorized reference to private e-mail addresses or mailing lists
  shall also be rejected.

12) Propagation of national, religious, racial, sexual, or ethnic hostility
  or animosity.

13) Binary files, even if they are related to Jewish genealogy. Jewish
  genealogical-related binaries should be posted to the appropriate group
  with a pointer in soc.genealogy.jewish.methods indicating where the
  binary in question may be found.

Moderators will neither screen postings for intellectual content nor
for accuracy beyond that contained in the charter of
s.g.jewish.methods.

Moderators reserve the right to terminate any thread which degenerates
into unacceptable namecalling, rudeness, vulgarity, or which they feel
has reached its end or flash point. Such threads shall be terminated
by at least 2/3 supermajority of the current moderators.

Individuals who believe a particular moderator has unfairly rejected a
submission can appeal to the entire panel of moderators.  The panel
will reevaluate the submission and make a majority decision as to
whether it will be posted.  In the event that the moderation panel is
evenly split over whether a submission ought to be posted, the
submission shall be posted.

We anticipate that more moderators will be needed as the discussion
group grows.  Anyone may volunteer to join the moderation panel with
the consent of a two-thirds supermajority of the current moderators.
Moderators also may be removed by a 2/3 supermajority of the
moderation panel.  Of course, moderators may resign of their own
volition at any time.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: soc.genealogy.jewish.misc

(Note: this is identical to the current charter of soc.genealogy.jewish)

1.  Providing all researchers of Jewish lines a means of
    networking with others on areas of particular interest to
    Jewish researchers to include:
        A) Geographical locations;
        B) Queries based on SURNAME and Locale, Tiny Tafels;
        C) Yizkor Books and Landmanshaften from the old country;
        D) Research sources and location of materials;
        E) Identifying relatives lost in the Holocaust;
        F) Finding relatives misplaced during the Holocaust;

2.  Providing researchers of Jewish lines access to research
    materials both in the USA and abroad as they become available.

3.  Providing an outlet for Holocaust survivors (the last
    generation) a means of identifying their families and
    preserving the historical information that has been lost or
    forgotten because of the horror and fear that these people
    have suffered.

4.  Providing a means of encouraging Jewish researchers to use
    this medium to open up research opportunities that heretofore
    have not been available.

5.  Providing a link between genealogy and the history of the
    of the Jewish people.

6.  Providing a link between the Jewish Genealogical Societies
    throughout the world.


END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: soc.genealogy.jewish.methods

Moderator: David Chapin   <[email protected]>
Moderator: Bruce Kahn     <[email protected]>

END MODERATOR INFO.

MODERATOR INFO: soc.genealogy.jewish.misc

(Note: this is identical to the current arrangement with
soc.genealogy.jewish)

Moderator: Susan King     <[email protected]>

END MODERATOR INFO.

GATEWAYED MAILING LISTS:

It is planned that the new soc.genealogy.jewish.methods newsgroup will
be gatewayed to a mailing list, similar to the way that the present
soc.genealogy.jewish [email protected] twin works. An exact
mailing list site has not yet been determined.

It is anticipated that no change will take place to the general operation
of the soc.genealogy.jewish.misc mailing list gateway.

END GATEWAYED MAILING LISTS.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase of
the process, any potential problems with the proposed news group should be
raised and resolved.  The discussion period will continue for a minimum of
21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to
news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted
by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it.  Please do not
attempt to vote until this happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD
attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines
outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and
Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to these documents (available
in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process.

END PROCEDURE.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

  news.announce.newgroups        soc.genealogy.jewish
  news.groups                    soc.genealogy.computing
  soc.culture.jewish             alt.genealogy
  soc.culture.israel             soc.genealogy.misc


This RFD has been posted to the following mailing lists:

  [email protected]
  [email protected]
  [email protected]@bguvm.bgu.ac.il
  [email protected]


Pointer messages have been posted to the following newsgroups:

  soc.genealogy.methods          soc.genealogy.nordic
  soc.genealogy.uk+ireland       soc.genealogy.benelux
  soc.genealogy.french           soc.genealogy.african
  soc.genealogy.german           soc.genealogy.west-indies
  soc.genealogy.australia+nz     soc.genealogy.hispanic
  soc.genealogy.slavic

Pointer messages have been posted to the following mailing lists:

  [email protected]
  [email protected]


Proponent: David Chapin <[email protected]>
Proponent: Bruce Kahn   <[email protected]>

Group Mentor: John Pimentel <[email protected]>

From [email protected] Wed Oct 30 13:06:26 1996
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From: [email protected] (David Bostwick)
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Subject: CFV: soc.genealogy.jewish reorganization
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                     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
             moderated group soc.genealogy.jewish.methods
moderated group soc.genealogy.jewish.misc (renames soc.genealogy.jewish)

Newsgroups line:
soc.genealogy.jewish.methods	Jewish genealogical methods and resources. (Moderated)
soc.genealogy.jewish.misc	Jewish genealogy general discussion. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 20 Nov 1996.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about
the proposed group should be directed to one of the proponents.

Proponent: David Chapin <[email protected]>
Proponent: Bruce Kahn <[email protected]>
Mentor: John Pimentel <[email protected]>
Votetaker: David Bostwick <[email protected]>

RATIONALE: all groups

The present forum for Jewish genealogy discussion, soc.genealogy.jewish,
has become a phenomenal success and has grown considerably in volume since
its creation two years ago. Due to increased readership and diverse
interests, the general area of Jewish genealogical methodology -- at one
time a major portion of the discussion group -- now represents only
about 10-14% of all the posts. Today, the majority of the posts deal with
names, towns, and other personal queries which are not usually answered
publicly in any extended, general-interest discussion. Today, only about
25% of all messages in the current discussion group generate any public
reply.

Everyone agrees that methodology posts are valuable, and of interest to
most readers. These types of posts teach people about new resources
and techniques that they can use in their research. The current trend
indicates that the relative amount of methodology posts are steadily
disappearing.  As this trend continues, the value of the Internet for
Jewish genealogy suffers.

Methodology discussions typically includes how-to, give-and-take, case
studies, scholarly discussions, sharing of research sources, etc. In order
to thrive again, these types of posts need to move to an environment
where there is room for multi-person, extended public discussions; a
place where these discussions are encouraged to regain their critical mass.
The purpose of creating this additional newgroup devoted to Jewish genealogy
is to provide such an opportunity so that discussions about Jewish genealogy
methodology may flourish again in their own separate worldwide newsgroup. It
will result in a better categorization of the messages, as well as allowing
these types of messages to gain wider exposure.

Jewish genealogy is often quite different from other types of genealogy.
This is because Jewish records were often segregated and located in
different archives scattered throughout the world. In many cases, the
records may exist in unusual places and in a variety of languages. Primary
records are often rare, requiring the researcher to use novel approaches to
infer family lines. When Jewish genealogists make use of primary records,
they are often limited to 20th century records within the country of
immigration. These types of records tend to be underutilized by other types
of genealogists. Most Jewish surnames are a relatively new phenomenon
(typically more recent then 1790), making records research that much more
difficult.

This proposal for an additional Jewish genealogy newsgroup is designed to
allow for future Usenet newsgroup expansion and to allow for nurturing and
development of the ever-increasing discussions about Jewish genealogy. This
addition is meant to enhance the overall quality Jewish genealogical
discussions taking place on the Internet and to augment the present
discussion now taking place in soc.genealogy.jewish (and its twin
mailing list [email protected]).

Standard Usenet practices dictate that when a new hierarchy is created,
the originating group be moved to the new level with the name _.misc.
(For further information about these practices, please refer to David
Wright's "Guidelines for Usenet Newsgroup Names" FAQ, posted periodically
in the newsgroups news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, and news.answers.)
Because the new soc.genealogy.jewish.methods group necessitates a new level
in the Usenet hierarchy, we are compelled by Usenet guidelines to rename
soc.genealogy.jewish to soc.genealogy.jewish.misc. This follows precedents
set in other Usenet reorganizations.

The change in name is the only change being proposed for the current group
soc.genealogy.jewish. The charter adopted in Nov. 1994 will remain in
effect. Moderation and gatewayed mailing lists will be unchanged. Those
receiving their messages through that mailing list should see no change.
The new soc.genealogy.jewish.methods group will also have a gatewayed
mailing list and subscribers will receive their messages in a similar way
as they do with the current group.

CHARTER: soc.genealogy.jewish.methods

This is a worldwide news group for discussion of Jewish genealogical
methods, case studies, tips, techniques, and resources.

Appropriate types of articles would include discussions of research
sources, research results of a general nature, FAQs, book lists, personal
insight essays, announcements of new publications and research, analyses
of historical patterns (such as naming patterns, migration routes, language
styles, cultural influences, etc.), how-to techniques and tips, analysis of
research problems, and reviews of current research.

Examples of topics include:

* Records and other resources, primary and secondary, public or private:
  anything related to locating, accessing, evaluating, interpreting, and/or
  preserving them from a Jewish genealogical perspective;
* Evidence: proof; evaluation of conflicting sources;
* Patterns and conditions of Jewish life in the past: laws, trades,
  migration routes, culture, economic conditions, etc. which can help
  interpret the evidence we find as well as provide an ancestral context;
* Jewish naming patterns;
* Interdisciplinary discussions: (demographics, genetics, medicine,
  stylistic analysis, law etc.).

Queries relating to the above are encouraged. Two-way discussions of a
scholarly nature are welcome and encouraged. Beginners as well as experts
are encouraged to share in the give-and-take.

Short, one-time commercial announcements of books, seminars, etc. may also
be acceptable at the discretion of the moderators. The test for accepting
these commercial announcements will be whether they are of general interest
to the subscribers.

Moderation Policy
-----------------
We believe that moderation is not censorship and should never be allowed to
become the same.  However, we also believe that a newsgroup should be free
of irrelevant postings and wasted bandwidth. The philosophy of moderation
is to be light-handed and to offer extra help behind the scenes for new
participants, who may be experiencing problems with e-mail addresses or net
customs or the like.  This assistance will be offered privately, in
response to posts which, judging from past experience, are likely to be
objected to by at least some other participants (e.g.personal attacks,
questions fully covered in a FAQ file, items which were intended to be
personal e-mail; incomplete questions; etc).

Rejected messages will always be returned to the sender with an explanation
from the moderator. Likewise, the moderators will not alter any message,
with the possible exception that long 'tag lines' may be eliminated.

The following shall be off-topic for soc.genealogy.jewish.methods:

1) Posts not related to the purposes of soc.genealogy.jewish.methods.

2) Crossposts to other newsgroups, other than judicious and limited
  crossposts to other relevant discussion groups.

3) Posts that may flagrantly violate copyright laws, or the rules imposed
  by the mailing list provider.

4) "Me too" posts; posts that contain an unreasonable amount of quoted
  text; posts that do not contribute any new discussion to an ongoing
  thread; intensely repetitive posts; polemics.

5) Specific name queries, which typically involve individuals who are
  searching for specific relations in their family lines. However, name
  discussion IS appropriate, if it is of general interest and the specific
  family line is incidental to the discussion. Examples of acceptable
  general interest name discussion include research about certain
  long-established and famous Jewish families (such as Rapaport,
  Rothschild, Katzenellenbogen), or research about historical naming
  patterns. The criteria used to determine whether a name query is
  is acceptable is whether it is of general interest and has a wider
  audience beyond just the family members.

6) Specific town or location queries, which typically involve individuals
  either searching for a location or searching for people who may have
  lived in the same town. Geography queries and discussion ARE appropriate,
  if they are of general interest or involve more global issues, such as
  migration patterns, how-to type queries, resources, etc.

7) Specific queries that are narrow-focused soley upon an individual's
  singular genealogy. Examples: "Am I Jewish? My grandfather did thus-and-
  such..." or "Can someone look up records for me in thus-and-such
  archive..."

8) Overtly religious content of which genealogy is a only secondary topic.
  The discussion group focuses on the genealogical aspects of Jewish
  culture, which is intended to be non-denominational, non-evangelical, and
  inclusive of non-Jews.

9) Commercial advertisements or personal advertisements that have nothing
  to do with Jewish genealogy; "spam" articles; and robogenerated articles.

10) Excessively polemical postings. The moderators shall interpret this
  rule loosely -- newsgroups are not academic journals -- but excessively
  opinionated debate with a lack of solid facts, will result in a
  termination of the discussion thread.

11) Posts containing profanity or excessive rudeness; posts that lack
  appropriate civility.  While well-placed heckles are acceptable,
  flamewars are not.  Any post full of personal abuse, slander or libel,
  or unauthorized reference to private e-mail addresses or mailing lists
  shall also be rejected.

12) Propagation of national, religious, racial, sexual, or ethnic hostility
  or animosity.

13) Binary files, even if they are related to Jewish genealogy. Jewish
  genealogical-related binaries should be posted to the appropriate group
  with a pointer in soc.genealogy.jewish.methods indicating where the
  binary in question may be found.

Moderators will neither screen postings for intellectual content nor for
accuracy beyond that contained in the charter of s.g.jewish.methods.

Moderators reserve the right to terminate any thread which degenerates
into unacceptable namecalling, rudeness, vulgarity, or which they feel has
reached its end or flash point. Such threads shall be terminated by at
least 2/3 supermajority of the current moderators.

Individuals who believe a particular moderator has unfairly rejected a
submission can appeal to the entire panel of moderators.  The panel will
reevaluate the submission and make a majority decision as to whether it
will be posted.  In the event that the moderation panel is evenly split
over whether a submission ought to be posted, the submission shall be
posted.

We anticipate that more moderators will be needed as the discussion group
grows.  Anyone may volunteer to join the moderation panel with the consent
of a two-thirds supermajority of the current moderators.  Moderators also
may be removed by a 2/3 supermajority of the moderation panel.  Of course,
moderators may resign of their own volition at any time.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: soc.genealogy.jewish.misc

1.  Providing all researchers of Jewish lines a means of
    networking with others on areas of particular interest to
    Jewish researchers to include:
        A) Geographical locations;
        B) Queries based on SURNAME and Locale, Tiny Tafels;
        C) Yizkor Books and Landmanshaften from the old country;
        D) Research sources and location of materials;
        E) Identifying relatives lost in the Holocaust;
        F) Finding relatives misplaced during the Holocaust;

2.  Providing researchers of Jewish lines access to research
    materials both in the USA and abroad as they become available.

3.  Providing an outlet for Holocaust survivors (the last
    generation) a means of identifying their families and
    preserving the historical information that has been lost or
    forgotten because of the horror and fear that these people
    have suffered.

4.  Providing a means of encouraging Jewish researchers to use
    this medium to open up research opportunities that heretofore
    have not been available.

5.  Providing a link between genealogy and the history of the
    of the Jewish people.

6.  Providing a link between the Jewish Genealogical Societies
    throughout the world.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: soc.genealogy.jewish.methods

Moderator: David Chapin <[email protected]>
Moderator: Bruce Kahn <[email protected]>
Administrative contact address: [email protected]
Article submission address: [email protected]

END MODERATOR INFO.

MODERATOR INFO: soc.genealogy.jewish.misc

Moderator: Susan King <[email protected]>
Administrative contact address: [email protected]
Article submission address: [email protected]

END MODERATOR INFO.

DISTRIBUTION:

This CFV has been posted to the following newsgroups:

 news.announce.newgroups
 news.groups
 alt.genealogy
 soc.culture.jewish
 soc.culture.israel
 soc.genealogy.computing
 soc.genealogy.jewish
 soc.genealogy.methods
 soc.genealogy.misc

It has also been sent to the following mailing lists:

 [email protected]    Genealogy Obituaries
 [email protected]  Jewish General Discussion
 [email protected]               Assoc. for Jewish Genealogical Societies
 [email protected]   Jewish Genealogy (gatewayed to newsgroup
                              soc.genealogy.jewish)

Pointers to the CFV have been placed in the following newsgroups:

 soc.genealogy.nordic
 soc.genealogy.uk+ireland
 soc.genealogy.benelux
 soc.genealogy.french
 soc.genealogy.african
 soc.genealogy.german
 soc.genealogy.west-indies
 soc.genealogy.australia+nz
 soc.genealogy.hispanic
 soc.genealogy.slavic

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From [email protected] Fri Nov  8 23:33:33 1996
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Subject: 2nd CFV: soc.genealogy.jewish reorganization
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                      LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
             moderated group soc.genealogy.jewish.methods
moderated group soc.genealogy.jewish.misc (renames soc.genealogy.jewish)

Newsgroups line:
soc.genealogy.jewish.methods	Jewish genealogical methods and resources. (Moderated)
soc.genealogy.jewish.misc	Jewish genealogy general discussion. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 20 Nov 1996.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about
the proposed group should be directed to one of the proponents.

Proponent: David Chapin <[email protected]>
Proponent: Bruce Kahn <[email protected]>
Mentor: John Pimentel <[email protected]>
Votetaker: David Bostwick <[email protected]>

RATIONALE: all groups

The present forum for Jewish genealogy discussion, soc.genealogy.jewish,
has become a phenomenal success and has grown considerably in volume since
its creation two years ago. Due to increased readership and diverse
interests, the general area of Jewish genealogical methodology -- at one
time a major portion of the discussion group -- now represents only
about 10-14% of all the posts. Today, the majority of the posts deal with
names, towns, and other personal queries which are not usually answered
publicly in any extended, general-interest discussion. Today, only about
25% of all messages in the current discussion group generate any public
reply.

Everyone agrees that methodology posts are valuable, and of interest to
most readers. These types of posts teach people about new resources
and techniques that they can use in their research. The current trend
indicates that the relative amount of methodology posts are steadily
disappearing.  As this trend continues, the value of the Internet for
Jewish genealogy suffers.

Methodology discussions typically includes how-to, give-and-take, case
studies, scholarly discussions, sharing of research sources, etc. In order
to thrive again, these types of posts need to move to an environment
where there is room for multi-person, extended public discussions; a
place where these discussions are encouraged to regain their critical mass.
The purpose of creating this additional newgroup devoted to Jewish genealogy
is to provide such an opportunity so that discussions about Jewish genealogy
methodology may flourish again in their own separate worldwide newsgroup. It
will result in a better categorization of the messages, as well as allowing
these types of messages to gain wider exposure.

Jewish genealogy is often quite different from other types of genealogy.
This is because Jewish records were often segregated and located in
different archives scattered throughout the world. In many cases, the
records may exist in unusual places and in a variety of languages. Primary
records are often rare, requiring the researcher to use novel approaches to
infer family lines. When Jewish genealogists make use of primary records,
they are often limited to 20th century records within the country of
immigration. These types of records tend to be underutilized by other types
of genealogists. Most Jewish surnames are a relatively new phenomenon
(typically more recent then 1790), making records research that much more
difficult.

This proposal for an additional Jewish genealogy newsgroup is designed to
allow for future Usenet newsgroup expansion and to allow for nurturing and
development of the ever-increasing discussions about Jewish genealogy. This
addition is meant to enhance the overall quality Jewish genealogical
discussions taking place on the Internet and to augment the present
discussion now taking place in soc.genealogy.jewish (and its twin
mailing list [email protected]).

Standard Usenet practices dictate that when a new hierarchy is created,
the originating group be moved to the new level with the name _.misc.
(For further information about these practices, please refer to David
Wright's "Guidelines for Usenet Newsgroup Names" FAQ, posted periodically
in the newsgroups news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, and news.answers.)
Because the new soc.genealogy.jewish.methods group necessitates a new level
in the Usenet hierarchy, we are compelled by Usenet guidelines to rename
soc.genealogy.jewish to soc.genealogy.jewish.misc. This follows precedents
set in other Usenet reorganizations.

The change in name is the only change being proposed for the current group
soc.genealogy.jewish. The charter adopted in Nov. 1994 will remain in
effect. Moderation and gatewayed mailing lists will be unchanged. Those
receiving their messages through that mailing list should see no change.
The new soc.genealogy.jewish.methods group will also have a gatewayed
mailing list and subscribers will receive their messages in a similar way
as they do with the current group.

CHARTER: soc.genealogy.jewish.methods

This is a worldwide news group for discussion of Jewish genealogical
methods, case studies, tips, techniques, and resources.

Appropriate types of articles would include discussions of research
sources, research results of a general nature, FAQs, book lists, personal
insight essays, announcements of new publications and research, analyses
of historical patterns (such as naming patterns, migration routes, language
styles, cultural influences, etc.), how-to techniques and tips, analysis of
research problems, and reviews of current research.

Examples of topics include:

* Records and other resources, primary and secondary, public or private:
  anything related to locating, accessing, evaluating, interpreting, and/or
  preserving them from a Jewish genealogical perspective;
* Evidence: proof; evaluation of conflicting sources;
* Patterns and conditions of Jewish life in the past: laws, trades,
  migration routes, culture, economic conditions, etc. which can help
  interpret the evidence we find as well as provide an ancestral context;
* Jewish naming patterns;
* Interdisciplinary discussions: (demographics, genetics, medicine,
  stylistic analysis, law etc.).

Queries relating to the above are encouraged. Two-way discussions of a
scholarly nature are welcome and encouraged. Beginners as well as experts
are encouraged to share in the give-and-take.

Short, one-time commercial announcements of books, seminars, etc. may also
be acceptable at the discretion of the moderators. The test for accepting
these commercial announcements will be whether they are of general interest
to the subscribers.

Moderation Policy
-----------------
We believe that moderation is not censorship and should never be allowed to
become the same.  However, we also believe that a newsgroup should be free
of irrelevant postings and wasted bandwidth. The philosophy of moderation
is to be light-handed and to offer extra help behind the scenes for new
participants, who may be experiencing problems with e-mail addresses or net
customs or the like.  This assistance will be offered privately, in
response to posts which, judging from past experience, are likely to be
objected to by at least some other participants (e.g.personal attacks,
questions fully covered in a FAQ file, items which were intended to be
personal e-mail; incomplete questions; etc).

Rejected messages will always be returned to the sender with an explanation
from the moderator. Likewise, the moderators will not alter any message,
with the possible exception that long 'tag lines' may be eliminated.

The following shall be off-topic for soc.genealogy.jewish.methods:

1) Posts not related to the purposes of soc.genealogy.jewish.methods.

2) Crossposts to other newsgroups, other than judicious and limited
  crossposts to other relevant discussion groups.

3) Posts that may flagrantly violate copyright laws, or the rules imposed
  by the mailing list provider.

4) "Me too" posts; posts that contain an unreasonable amount of quoted
  text; posts that do not contribute any new discussion to an ongoing
  thread; intensely repetitive posts; polemics.

5) Specific name queries, which typically involve individuals who are
  searching for specific relations in their family lines. However, name
  discussion IS appropriate, if it is of general interest and the specific
  family line is incidental to the discussion. Examples of acceptable
  general interest name discussion include research about certain
  long-established and famous Jewish families (such as Rapaport,
  Rothschild, Katzenellenbogen), or research about historical naming
  patterns. The criteria used to determine whether a name query is
  is acceptable is whether it is of general interest and has a wider
  audience beyond just the family members.

6) Specific town or location queries, which typically involve individuals
  either searching for a location or searching for people who may have
  lived in the same town. Geography queries and discussion ARE appropriate,
  if they are of general interest or involve more global issues, such as
  migration patterns, how-to type queries, resources, etc.

7) Specific queries that are narrow-focused soley upon an individual's
  singular genealogy. Examples: "Am I Jewish? My grandfather did thus-and-
  such..." or "Can someone look up records for me in thus-and-such
  archive..."

8) Overtly religious content of which genealogy is a only secondary topic.
  The discussion group focuses on the genealogical aspects of Jewish
  culture, which is intended to be non-denominational, non-evangelical, and
  inclusive of non-Jews.

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  to do with Jewish genealogy; "spam" articles; and robogenerated articles.

10) Excessively polemical postings. The moderators shall interpret this
  rule loosely -- newsgroups are not academic journals -- but excessively
  opinionated debate with a lack of solid facts, will result in a
  termination of the discussion thread.

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  appropriate civility.  While well-placed heckles are acceptable,
  flamewars are not.  Any post full of personal abuse, slander or libel,
  or unauthorized reference to private e-mail addresses or mailing lists
  shall also be rejected.

12) Propagation of national, religious, racial, sexual, or ethnic hostility
  or animosity.

13) Binary files, even if they are related to Jewish genealogy. Jewish
  genealogical-related binaries should be posted to the appropriate group
  with a pointer in soc.genealogy.jewish.methods indicating where the
  binary in question may be found.

Moderators will neither screen postings for intellectual content nor for
accuracy beyond that contained in the charter of s.g.jewish.methods.

Moderators reserve the right to terminate any thread which degenerates
into unacceptable namecalling, rudeness, vulgarity, or which they feel has
reached its end or flash point. Such threads shall be terminated by at
least 2/3 supermajority of the current moderators.

Individuals who believe a particular moderator has unfairly rejected a
submission can appeal to the entire panel of moderators.  The panel will
reevaluate the submission and make a majority decision as to whether it
will be posted.  In the event that the moderation panel is evenly split
over whether a submission ought to be posted, the submission shall be
posted.

We anticipate that more moderators will be needed as the discussion group
grows.  Anyone may volunteer to join the moderation panel with the consent
of a two-thirds supermajority of the current moderators.  Moderators also
may be removed by a 2/3 supermajority of the moderation panel.  Of course,
moderators may resign of their own volition at any time.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: soc.genealogy.jewish.misc

1.  Providing all researchers of Jewish lines a means of
    networking with others on areas of particular interest to
    Jewish researchers to include:
        A) Geographical locations;
        B) Queries based on SURNAME and Locale, Tiny Tafels;
        C) Yizkor Books and Landmanshaften from the old country;
        D) Research sources and location of materials;
        E) Identifying relatives lost in the Holocaust;
        F) Finding relatives misplaced during the Holocaust;

2.  Providing researchers of Jewish lines access to research
    materials both in the USA and abroad as they become available.

3.  Providing an outlet for Holocaust survivors (the last
    generation) a means of identifying their families and
    preserving the historical information that has been lost or
    forgotten because of the horror and fear that these people
    have suffered.

4.  Providing a means of encouraging Jewish researchers to use
    this medium to open up research opportunities that heretofore
    have not been available.

5.  Providing a link between genealogy and the history of the
    of the Jewish people.

6.  Providing a link between the Jewish Genealogical Societies
    throughout the world.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: soc.genealogy.jewish.methods

Moderator: David Chapin <[email protected]>
Moderator: Bruce Kahn <[email protected]>
Administrative contact address: [email protected]
Article submission address: [email protected]

END MODERATOR INFO.

MODERATOR INFO: soc.genealogy.jewish.misc

Moderator: Susan King <[email protected]>
Administrative contact address: [email protected]
Article submission address: [email protected]

END MODERATOR INFO.

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soc.genealogy.jewish reorg Bounce List - No need to revote
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[email protected]                                        Glenda Rubin
[email protected]                                       Martha LEV-ZION

From [email protected] Sun Nov 24 14:26:55 1996
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (David Bostwick)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.genealogy,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.genealogy.computing,soc.genealogy.jewish,soc.genealogy.methods,soc.genealogy.misc
Subject: RESULT: soc.genealogy.jewish reorganization all groups fail
Supersedes: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: news.groups
Date: 24 Nov 1996 14:26:41 -0500
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV)
Lines: 794
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References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
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Archive-Name: soc.genealogy.jewish-reorg
Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9381 news.groups:240317 alt.genealogy:88022 soc.culture.jewish:298696 soc.culture.israel:81579 soc.genealogy.computing:21100 soc.genealogy.jewish:29708 soc.genealogy.methods:9127 soc.genealogy.misc:38126

                                RESULT
      moderated group soc.genealogy.jewish.methods fails 166:275
moderated group soc.genealogy.jewish.misc (renames soc.genealogy.jewish) fails 156:286

soc.genealogy.jewish reorganization results - 450 valid votes

 Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
 166  275 :   No    No :    No : soc.genealogy.jewish.methods
 156  286 :   No    No :    No : soc.genealogy.jewish.misc
   5 invalid votes

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votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.

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Newsgroups line:
soc.genealogy.jewish.methods	Jewish genealogical methods and resources. (Moderated)
soc.genealogy.jewish.misc	Jewish genealogy general discussion. (Moderated)

The voting period ended at 23:59:59 UTC, 20 Nov 1996.

This vote wasconducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about
the proposed group should be directed to one of the proponents.

Proponent: David Chapin <[email protected]>
Proponent: Bruce Kahn <[email protected]>
Mentor: John Pimentel <[email protected]>
Votetaker: David Bostwick <[email protected]>

RATIONALE: all groups

The present forum for Jewish genealogy discussion, soc.genealogy.jewish,
has become a phenomenal success and has grown considerably in volume since
its creation two years ago. Due to increased readership and diverse
interests, the general area of Jewish genealogical methodology -- at one
time a major portion of the discussion group -- now represents only
about 10-14% of all the posts. Today, the majority of the posts deal with
names, towns, and other personal queries which are not usually answered
publicly in any extended, general-interest discussion. Today, only about
25% of all messages in the current discussion group generate any public
reply.

Everyone agrees that methodology posts are valuable, and of interest to
most readers. These types of posts teach people about new resources
and techniques that they can use in their research. The current trend
indicates that the relative amount of methodology posts are steadily
disappearing.  As this trend continues, the value of the Internet for
Jewish genealogy suffers.

Methodology discussions typically includes how-to, give-and-take, case
studies, scholarly discussions, sharing of research sources, etc. In order
to thrive again, these types of posts need to move to an environment
where there is room for multi-person, extended public discussions; a
place where these discussions are encouraged to regain their critical mass.
The purpose of creating this additional newgroup devoted to Jewish genealogy
is to provide such an opportunity so that discussions about Jewish genealogy
methodology may flourish again in their own separate worldwide newsgroup. It
will result in a better categorization of the messages, as well as allowing
these types of messages to gain wider exposure.

Jewish genealogy is often quite different from other types of genealogy.
This is because Jewish records were often segregated and located in
different archives scattered throughout the world. In many cases, the
records may exist in unusual places and in a variety of languages. Primary
records are often rare, requiring the researcher to use novel approaches to
infer family lines. When Jewish genealogists make use of primary records,
they are often limited to 20th century records within the country of
immigration. These types of records tend to be underutilized by other types
of genealogists. Most Jewish surnames are a relatively new phenomenon
(typically more recent then 1790), making records research that much more
difficult.

This proposal for an additional Jewish genealogy newsgroup is designed to
allow for future Usenet newsgroup expansion and to allow for nurturing and
development of the ever-increasing discussions about Jewish genealogy. This
addition is meant to enhance the overall quality Jewish genealogical
discussions taking place on the Internet and to augment the present
discussion now taking place in soc.genealogy.jewish (and its twin
mailing list [email protected]).

Standard Usenet practices dictate that when a new hierarchy is created,
the originating group be moved to the new level with the name _.misc.
(For further information about these practices, please refer to David
Wright's "Guidelines for Usenet Newsgroup Names" FAQ, posted periodically
in the newsgroups news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, and news.answers.)
Because the new soc.genealogy.jewish.methods group necessitates a new level
in the Usenet hierarchy, we are compelled by Usenet guidelines to rename
soc.genealogy.jewish to soc.genealogy.jewish.misc. This follows precedents
set in other Usenet reorganizations.

The change in name is the only change being proposed for the current group
soc.genealogy.jewish. The charter adopted in Nov. 1994 will remain in
effect. Moderation and gatewayed mailing lists will be unchanged. Those
receiving their messages through that mailing list should see no change.
The new soc.genealogy.jewish.methods group will also have a gatewayed
mailing list and subscribers will receive their messages in a similar way
as they do with the current group.

CHARTER: soc.genealogy.jewish.methods

This is a worldwide news group for discussion of Jewish genealogical
methods, case studies, tips, techniques, and resources.

Appropriate types of articles would include discussions of research
sources, research results of a general nature, FAQs, book lists, personal
insight essays, announcements of new publications and research, analyses
of historical patterns (such as naming patterns, migration routes, language
styles, cultural influences, etc.), how-to techniques and tips, analysis of
research problems, and reviews of current research.

Examples of topics include:

* Records and other resources, primary and secondary, public or private:
  anything related to locating, accessing, evaluating, interpreting, and/or
  preserving them from a Jewish genealogical perspective;
* Evidence: proof; evaluation of conflicting sources;
* Patterns and conditions of Jewish life in the past: laws, trades,
  migration routes, culture, economic conditions, etc. which can help
  interpret the evidence we find as well as provide an ancestral context;
* Jewish naming patterns;
* Interdisciplinary discussions: (demographics, genetics, medicine,
  stylistic analysis, law etc.).

Queries relating to the above are encouraged. Two-way discussions of a
scholarly nature are welcome and encouraged. Beginners as well as experts
are encouraged to share in the give-and-take.

Short, one-time commercial announcements of books, seminars, etc. may also
be acceptable at the discretion of the moderators. The test for accepting
these commercial announcements will be whether they are of general interest
to the subscribers.

Moderation Policy
-----------------
We believe that moderation is not censorship and should never be allowed to
become the same.  However, we also believe that a newsgroup should be free
of irrelevant postings and wasted bandwidth. The philosophy of moderation
is to be light-handed and to offer extra help behind the scenes for new
participants, who may be experiencing problems with e-mail addresses or net
customs or the like.  This assistance will be offered privately, in
response to posts which, judging from past experience, are likely to be
objected to by at least some other participants (e.g.personal attacks,
questions fully covered in a FAQ file, items which were intended to be
personal e-mail; incomplete questions; etc).

Rejected messages will always be returned to the sender with an explanation
from the moderator. Likewise, the moderators will not alter any message,
with the possible exception that long 'tag lines' may be eliminated.

The following shall be off-topic for soc.genealogy.jewish.methods:

1) Posts not related to the purposes of soc.genealogy.jewish.methods.

2) Crossposts to other newsgroups, other than judicious and limited
  crossposts to other relevant discussion groups.

3) Posts that may flagrantly violate copyright laws, or the rules imposed
  by the mailing list provider.

4) "Me too" posts; posts that contain an unreasonable amount of quoted
  text; posts that do not contribute any new discussion to an ongoing
  thread; intensely repetitive posts; polemics.

5) Specific name queries, which typically involve individuals who are
  searching for specific relations in their family lines. However, name
  discussion IS appropriate, if it is of general interest and the specific
  family line is incidental to the discussion. Examples of acceptable
  general interest name discussion include research about certain
  long-established and famous Jewish families (such as Rapaport,
  Rothschild, Katzenellenbogen), or research about historical naming
  patterns. The criteria used to determine whether a name query is
  is acceptable is whether it is of general interest and has a wider
  audience beyond just the family members.

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  either searching for a location or searching for people who may have
  lived in the same town. Geography queries and discussion ARE appropriate,
  if they are of general interest or involve more global issues, such as
  migration patterns, how-to type queries, resources, etc.

7) Specific queries that are narrow-focused soley upon an individual's
  singular genealogy. Examples: "Am I Jewish? My grandfather did thus-and-
  such..." or "Can someone look up records for me in thus-and-such
  archive..."

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  The discussion group focuses on the genealogical aspects of Jewish
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  inclusive of non-Jews.

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CHARTER: soc.genealogy.jewish.misc

1.  Providing all researchers of Jewish lines a means of
    networking with others on areas of particular interest to
    Jewish researchers to include:
        A) Geographical locations;
        B) Queries based on SURNAME and Locale, Tiny Tafels;
        C) Yizkor Books and Landmanshaften from the old country;
        D) Research sources and location of materials;
        E) Identifying relatives lost in the Holocaust;
        F) Finding relatives misplaced during the Holocaust;

2.  Providing researchers of Jewish lines access to research
    materials both in the USA and abroad as they become available.

3.  Providing an outlet for Holocaust survivors (the last
    generation) a means of identifying their families and
    preserving the historical information that has been lost or
    forgotten because of the horror and fear that these people
    have suffered.

4.  Providing a means of encouraging Jewish researchers to use
    this medium to open up research opportunities that heretofore
    have not been available.

5.  Providing a link between genealogy and the history of the
    of the Jewish people.

6.  Providing a link between the Jewish Genealogical Societies
    throughout the world.

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soc.genealogy.jewish reorg Final Vote Ack


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[email protected]                               Abraham S Goldberg YY
[email protected]                                        Andre RET NY
[email protected]                                       Alan Yaffe YY
[email protected]                                   Ann L Hairfield NN
[email protected]                                  Jonathan Parker NN
[email protected]                                      Iris Folkson NN
[email protected]                                  Judith Wolkovitch YY
103001.116@CompuServe.COM                                Leonard R. Robbins NN
2hpwolf@cyberdrive.net                                         Paul S. Wolf NN
3arb@qlink.queensu.ca                                           Andy Lehrer YY
70401.1663@CompuServe.COM                                    Bill Firestone NN
71201.2135@CompuServe.COM                                   Harry B. Haymes NN
71574.177@CompuServe.COM                                        MAX BUNDMAN YY
72235.563@CompuServe.COM                                     Ronald Gabriel YY
72377.2777@CompuServe.COM                               Joan Oshlag Sanders NN
72630.1375@CompuServe.COM                                   David G. Kanter NN
74727.1434@CompuServe.COM                                    Joan Baronberg NN
aa869@cleveland.Freenet.Edu                                   Helen F. Wolf YY
aahz@netcom.com                                                        Aahz -N
ablacher@itl.net                                                    Blacher NN
abramson@uconnvm.uconn.edu                               Arthur S. Abramson NN
abriwin@easynet.co.uk                                          BRIAN WINTER NN
ABShearer@aol.com                                               ANN SHEARER YY
acohen@mcls.rochester.lib.ny.us                                Ann E. Cohen YY
adrown@empirenet.com                                              Ann Drown NN
AFECU@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU                                       Aron Eisenpress YY
AFMS@aol.com                                                Til A. Symonies YY
afms@worldnet.att.net                                   ALLAN F.M. SYMONIES YY
aileb@actcom.co.il                                              A. Lebowitz NN
AJL12@aol.com                                             Michael L. Levine NN
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ALAN.STEINFELD@mcrad.med.nyu.edu                             ALAN STEINFELD NN
alan@fhsystem.demon.co.uk                              Alan Brian Simmonds. -Y
alan@knecht.on.ca                                              Alan K'necht NN
ALAN@VM1.MCGILL.CA                                           Alan Greenberg NN
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Anberch@aol.com                                               Annette Berch NN
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bb920@scn.org                                                  Sonny Putter NN
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benne034@gold.tc.umn.edu                                   Judith D.Bennett YY
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bert.oppenheim@worldnet.att.net                              Bert Oppenheim YN
bgallops@sirinet.net                                          Becky Gallops NN
BGNV21C@prodigy.com                                        Ruth Miller Gove NN
bill@leland.Stanford.EDU                                      William Mills YY
bkahn@servtech.com                                               Bruce Kahn YY
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bmavrogeorge@palladiumnet.com                             Brian Mavrogeorge NN
bmb@bmb.com                                                   Bruce Bertram NN
booda@datasync.com                                          Martin H. Booda NN
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camcom@satlink.com                                               EVA FRIED  NN
CarltonlP@aol.com                                             C. L. Preston NN
carmig@netmedia.net.il                                         Gideon Carmi NN
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Carols8600@aol.com                                           Carol Shkolnik NN
cgolini@indiana.edu                                        Christina Golini YY
ChadG75767@aol.com                                      Chad F. Gottschlich NN
Charles.Simpkinson@104-330.genesplicer.org               Charles Simpkinson YY
cherniss@cybergate.com                                   Edward I. Cherniss NN
cherylln@mail.idt.net                                       Sheryl Harawitz NN
chonoles.michael@acc.mds.lmco.com                    Michael Jesse Chonoles NN
CMM001@aol.com                                            Carmen M. Michael YY
cmonahan@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu                              Carol Monahan NN
cmw2@ix.netcom.com                                          Chuck Weinstein NN
cnam@garnet.acns.fsu.edu                                     CHARLES B. NAM NN
cohens@sph.emory.edu                                            Susan Cohen YY
condor@empirenet.com                                            Bud Weidman YY
crn@netix.demon.co.uk                                         C. R. Newport YY
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Dahirsh@aol.com                                                 Debra Hirsh NN
danber@cts.com                                               Roberta Berman NN
daniel.rybowski@infoboard.be                                Daniel Rybowski YY
daniel@vulkan.demon.co.uk                                     Daniel Vulkan NN
DaniRaymon@aol.com                                            Daniel Raymon NN
dardasht@ix.netcom.com                                    Schelly Dardashti NN
david.dror@ITU.CH                                                David Dror NN
david.stern@ggcs.org                                            David Stern NN
davidlewin@easynet.co.uk                                        DAVID LEWIN NN
DBRICHTA@aol.com                                             Donald Brichta NN
DcCohen84@aol.com                                             Debi C. Cohen YY
dchapin@computek.net                                      David Alan Chapin YY
denburg@direct.ca                                             Moshe Denburg NN
dermer@csd.uwm.edu                                      Marshall Lev Dermer NN
dfessler@ICSI.Net                                          David H. Fessler YY
dhantman@dircon.co.uk                                   DAVID PETER HANTMAN NN
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DickPlotz@aol.com                                                Dick Plotz NN
discostu@juno.com                                                Ken Dubin  NN
djud@atl.mindspring.com                                     David J. Sencer NN
dlkurtz@ix.netcom.com                                         Dana L. Kurtz NN
dmckeon@swcp.com                                               Denis McKeon YY
dmfox@nadn.navy.mil                                            David M. Fox NN
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dms@gis.net                                                     DON SOLOMON YY
"dmsmith@ncia.com"@ncia.com                                   Deborah Smith YY
DNHIowa@aol.com                                        Davida Noyek Handler NN
DOFRANK@aol.com                                                Doris Frank  NN
DonaldS261@aol.com                                       Donald A. Seligman YY
dougf2@ix.netcom.com                                          Douglas First NN
dpilnik@satlink.com                                           Daniel Pilnik NN
dputzolu@teleport.com                                      David M. Putzolu NN
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dshapiro@actcom.co.il                                         DAVID SHAPIRO NN
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eisfelderr@acslink.aone.net.au                             Rodney Eisfelder NN
ELEANOREVO@aol.com                                      Eleanore Vollweiler YY
Elias@aol.com                                                  Elias Savada YY
elm@cs.umbc.edu                                                Ethan Miller YY
enemansj@charweb.org                                             Sam Eneman NN
ENZOFALCO@delphi.com                                             Enzo Falco NN
Epsilon5-AEL@worldnet.att.net                                Ariana E. Lobo YY
ericx@vineyard.net                                            Eric W. Bates NN
ESMann@worldnet.att.net                                      Edward S. Mann YY
evans@evans.pgh.pa.us                                       Arthur Evans Jr YY
faro@village.ios.com                                              Fae Rosen Y-
feraltek@zeta.org.au                                              Gary Luke NN
fmarmor@amanda.dorsai.org                                   Florence Marmor NN
frabinovich@dttus.com                                      Felix Rabinovich NN
fred-berlack@ti.com                                            Fred Berlack YY
Fred_Half@smtp.svl.trw.com                                        Fred Half NN
friedman@cs.uiuc.edu                                H. George Friedman, Jr. NN
FVDT07A@PRODIGY.COM                                               Jan Engel YY
gaillard@panix.com                                              Ed Gaillard NN
gbank01@mail.coin.missouri.edu                                    Gail Bank Y-
gedalia@concentric.net                                      Charles Millman YN
gedaliah@panix.com                                     Gedaliah Friedenberg YY
genes@iag.net                                                   GENE STARN  YY
genie@panix.com                                            Andy Finkenstadt YY
gersch@user1.channel1.com                                   Gerson Schaffel NN
gkenne@ctp.com                                             Ginger S. Kenney YY
gladysr@astral.magic.ca                                      Gladys Rothman NN
glaws@newnut.foxnet.net                                         Ielca Torok NN
Glenda_Rubin@cc.chiron.com                                     Glenda Rubin NN
Glynne@aol.com                                              Gay Lynne Kegan NN
godlbaum@halcyon.com                                       Carol Deckelbaum YY
greymyth@buffnet.net                                           Milt Baitman YY
grilic@kuznets.fas.harvard.edu                                Zvi Griliches NN
grplatt@mail.idt.net                                          Gary R. Platt YY
gurskyh@erols.com                                            Herbert Gursky YY
h-trace@nwu.edu                                                  Herb Trace YY
halperin@gis.net                                           Mark S. Halperin YY
hannigan@firefly.net                                        Martin Hannigan NN
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harveyf@clark.net                                              Vera Finberg NN
hed@fdml.com                                                 Hubert E. Dubb NN
Henry_Wellisch@tvo.org                                       HENRY WELLISCH NN
hersh@paradise.net                                             Markam Hersh NN
Higher.LP.@myna.com                                    mahogohney kavanaugh NN
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hotdog@netvision.net.il                                        Jay Lenefsky NN
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howard@netins.net                                           Howard F Cooper NN
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hrosen@onix.com                                                Howard Rosen NN
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irving.levine@the-128th.com                                 Irving L Levine NN
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jeff@loop.com                                                     JEFF BOCK NN
jeffbloom@earthlink.net                                          Jeff Bloom NN
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Jennifer_Kay@IUS5.IUS.CS.CMU.EDU                               Jennifer Kay YY
Jfer@myna.com                                             Jennifer Paquette YY
jfield@phoenix.nlci.com                                         Joyce Field NN
JGLois@aol.com                                                 Lois Sernoff NN
jhoadley@erols.com                        Jack Hoadley <jhoadley@erols.com> NN
jjc@sheen.demon.co.uk                                           Naomi Cream YY
jkramer1@swarthmore.edu                                       Joshua Kramer Y-
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JoeHerman@aol.com                                          Joseph H. Miller NN
joel@wubios.wustl.edu                                       joel achtenberg NN
jon@telis.org                                                    Jon Glazer NN
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Jonidavid@loop.com                                             David Miller YY
Jon_Gaines@mlsonline.com                                         Jon Gaines YY
jpatter@epix.net                                              Joe Patterson NN
jpimentel@nectech.com                                         John Pimentel --
Jrbaston@aol.com                                                JUDY BASTON NN
jrudolp1@ix.netcom.com           Judith P. Rudolph <jrudolp1@ix.netcom.com> NN
jsi@idiom.com                                                 Michael Craft NN
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jtz007@mail.connect.more.net                                Joel Shedlofsky NN
Judith27@aol.com                             Judith Shulamith Langer Caplan NN
JUL@ifm.mh-hannover.de                            Juliane Luescher-Firzlaff NN
K12ROBZJ@vaxc.hofstra.edu                                       Joan Berger YY
kalin@dkdigital.com                                              Dave Kalin YY
karbritz@atlas.co.uk                                          Alan Karbritz NN
karen@rand.org                                               Karen Isaacson NN
ken@actcom.co.il                                            Kenneth Fischer YY
kesher@aol.com                                             Hadassah Lipsius NN
kessler@frontiernet.net                                       David Kessler Y-
khan@cs.nyu.edu                                                Hasnain Khan NN
KIEVALSB@SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU                                    Sheila Kieval NN
kimdv@netcom.com                                               Kim DeVaughn NN
Kitnick1@aol.com                                             Steven Kitnick YY
kkuller@elk.mn.stratasys.com                         Kenneth Michael Kuller YY
klb@shep.benalla.net.au                                  Lorraine Bertelsen NN
kliotj@harborcom.net                                            Jerry Kliot YY
koosh@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us                            Bernard Kouchel NN
KSTOLL3333@aol.com                                              Karin Stoll NN
KSWeiner@aol.com                                          Kenneth S. Weiner NN
kueppers@gfz-potsdam.de                                    Andreas Kueppers YY
kymlicka@sasknet.sk.ca                                     Stephen Kymlicka YY
lance2@qsun.ho.att.com                                      Lance Greenberg NN
lapkoff@sparky.inasec.ca                                 Charles B. Lapkoff NN
larklane@juno.com                        James H. Gross <LARKLANE@JUNO.COM> NN
lazer@USDLAW.ACUSD.EDU                                   Herbert I. Lazerow NN
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leila@cc.huji.ac.il                                             LEILA AVRIN NY
LES.UNGERLEIDER@boeing.com                                  Les Ungerleider YY
levinm@iserv.net                                            Martin H. Levin NN
lfarber@uic.edu                                                  Len Farber NN
lherberg@ion.ucl.ac.uk                                          Jac Herberg NN
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lincan@amanda.dorsai.org                                       Linda Cantor NN
lindagene@worldnet.att.net                                 Eugene Aronowitz YY
lkerr@halcyon.com                                                Arlyn Kerr YY
LLapatn1@pseg.com                                         Leonard Lapatnick NN
lmh@pipeline.com                                           Lynn Mandel Hall YY
lpincus@ucsd.edu                                                 Len Pincus NN
lrublin@voicenet.com                                           LOUIS RUBLIN YY
lsokol@mrj.com                                                   lisa sokol NN
ltapper@archives.ca                                         Lawrence Tapper YY
lubetkin@voicenet.com                                        Steve Lubetkin NN
lusyke@gisco.net                                                Mark Lustik YY
Lynnjan@msn.com                                            Lynn van Dokkum  NN
m.e.schiphorst@pobox.ruu.nl                               Marion Schiphorst NN
mafac@satlink.com                                     Alberto Guido Chester NN
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malkajef@os2bbs.com                                        Jeffrey S. Malka NN
manningb@juno.com                                         MANNING BOOKSTAFF NY
marben@einstein.com.ar                         Marcelo y Liliana Benveniste NN
marc@world.std.com                                           Marc Dashevsky YY
MARDER@agri.huji.ac.il                                   Jonathan B. Marder NN
Marla.Westberg@FMR.Com                                       Marla Westberg NN
martha@bgumail.bgu.ac.il                                    Martha LEV-ZION NN
maugamol@pi.net                                                Maurice Moll NN
mef@netaxs.com                                                 Mike Fessler YY
MELOSHINS@aol.com                                                Mel Oshins NN
mervyn.doobov@dsto.defence.gov.au                             Mervyn Doobov YY
MESHENBE.OTD@MHS201.OTD.ANL.GOV                       Michael J. Meshenberg NN
meyersrv@netvision.net                                         Shmuel Meyer YY
mfreix@ssdnet.com.ar                                          Miguel Freixa NN
MGTC2267@aol.com                                             Edward J. Flax NN
mhadis@media.mit.edu                                           Martin Hadis NN
Michael@lewin.demon.co.uk                                     MICHAEL LEWIN NN
mike@rootsuk.demon.co.uk                                        Mike Fisher YY
Miltone@aol.com                                          Milton E Botwinick YY
mjlevine@microserve.net                                    Michael J Levine NN
mjolson@prairienet.org                                       Margaret Olson YY
Mjs312@aol.com                                                Edithe Silver YY
mkatz@pacificnet.net                                            Melody Katz -N
mkessel@world.std.com                                         Martin Kessel NN
MMBegun@aol.com                                               Mila M. Begun NN
MNKathyL@aol.com                                            Kathryn M. Lobo YY
mnykerk@euronet.nl                                             Menno Nykerk NN
mryan@ucla.edu                                                 Mary J. Ryan NN
msachs@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu                                 Martin Sachs YY
mtalmor@biomed.med.yale.edu                                   Monica Talmor NN
mtobi@ctp.com                                                 Michael Tobin YY
mtulkoff@softaid.net                                         Sylvia Tulkoff NN
naddy@mips.pfalz.de                                    Christian Weisgerber YY
neen@zelacom.com                                              Edith Shulman NN
netanya@vms.gsi.gov.il                                        NETANYA LUBAN NN
NFBRANT@aol.com                                          Nancy Felson Brant YY
niallf@indigo.ie                                                NIALL FOLEY NN
Nicholas_Fiekowsky@amrcorp.com                           Nicholas Fiekowsky YY
nick@cimio.co.uk                                              Nick Waterman NN
nikki@ptdprolog.net                                       Nikki Roth-Skiles NN
NJRR71A@prodigy.com                James L. Skydell, M.D. (NJRR71A@prodigy. NN
NORMAN-BROTMAN@worldnet.att.net                              NORMAN BROTMAN NN
norman.gillis@yale.edu                                        Norman Gillis Y-
norman.kaufman@tcs.wap.org                                Norman L. KAUFMAN NN
nrussler@USIT.NET                                             Nicki Russler NN
OGUOCHA@sask.usask.ca                                           Oguocha Ike YY
ogus@impact.xerox.com                                              Roy Ogus NN
olav@viking.mv.com                                          Olav Nieuwejaar NN
p2o5rock@netvision.net.il                                  Israel Pickholtz NN
paris@byu.edu                                           Robert Craig Harman NN
patl@lcs.mit.edu                                        Patrick J. LoPresti NN
paustin@astro.ocis.temple.edu                                    Pam Austin YY
paxil@cancom.net                                             Trevor Tymchuk YY
penfold@nortel.ca                                           Harvey Schwartz YY
peter_cullman@tvo.org                                         Peter Cullman NN
Pfadland@aol.com                                            Peter F. Adland NN
PGORDON@fcc.gov                                                 Paul Gordon NN
philrose@ix.netcom.com                                            Phil Rose -N
photos@maine.com                                           David L. Mishkin YY
Phrases1@aol.com                                         Ellen Sadove Renck NN
phyllis_kramer@prodigy.com                                   Phyllis Kramer NN
pique@aztec.asu.edu                                          Phyllis Kangas NN
pmargel@heinz.ca                            Perry Margel <pmargel@heinz.ca> YY
pmulivor@eckert.acadcomp.monroecc.edu                        Philip Mulivor YY
PottsMama@aol.com                                       Jan Rosenberg Potts NN
PQUA32A@prodigy.com                                          ANN RABINOWITZ NN
priluki@voicenet.com                                      Leonard Markowitz NN
prosen@freenet.columbus.oh.us                                Peg Rosenfield NN
PS30FG@aol.com                        Paul Evenson Skydell <ps30fg@aol.com> NN
pwolf@qualcomm.com                                             Paul I. Wolf YY
PZAVON@delphi.com                                               Peter Zavon YN
pzi@netaxs.com                                   Peter Zilahy Ingerman, PhD YY
rachelkin@redshift.com                                        Alan H. Rosen NN
Raymhill@aol.com                                              Hillel Raymon NN
RBBEN@aol.com                                               Ronald Ravikoff NN
rbull@facstaff.wisc.edu                                        Rebecca Bull YY
rcstark@injersey.com                                          Richard Stark NN
RCU4181@aol.com                                          Ronni Chapin Udoff YY
re005e@uhura.cc.rochester.edu                                   Bonnie Choi YY
Rechtman@aol.com                                             Yigal Rechtman Y-
rheller@gte.net                                                 Reid Heller YY
rhj@lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz                               Rebekah Hasman-Judd NN
rich@axe.intercall.com                                Stephanie H. Goldberg YY
Richard.Spitz@MCI.Com                                         Richard Spitz YY
rick@bcm.tmc.edu                                             Richard Miller NN
rkathren@tricity.wsu.edu                                     Ron L. Kathren NN
rKimble@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU                                     Reeva Kimble NN
rllewis@epix.net                                                Ralph Lewis YN
rmurray@ichips.intel.com                                      Robert Murray YY
robeh@mindspring.com                                          Robert Heyman NN
RobertW252@aol.com                                            Robert Wascou NN
RobinnM@aol.com                                             Robinn F. Magid NN
RobLAlpert@aol.com                                         Robert L. Alpert NN
Roger.Friedmann@hydro.on.ca                                 Roger Friedmann YY
RONNDL@bracepatt.com                                             David Ronn NN
ronnie@cisco.com                                                 Ronnie Kon YY
rosenblu@sfu.ca                                             Raja Rosenbluth NN
royg@spectra.net                                              Roy G. Paston YY
rschreck@mailgate.csmc.edu                                    Rhona Schreck YY
rsolit@erols.com                                              Roberta Solit NN
rsteinig@suffolk.lib.ny.us                                    Renee Steinig NN
RTWorth@aol.com                                      RoseAnna Tendler Worth NN
ruchelma@airmail.net                                    Maryon W. Ruchelman YY
runkefer@cstone.net                                          Rachel Unkefer NN
RWeissJGS@aol.com                                              Robert Weiss NN
sachs@axsamer.org                                              Arline Sachs NN
salier@earthlink.net                                              Ed Salier YY
SamElpern@aol.com                                          Samuel N. Elpern YY
sammy@tc.umn.edu                                         Michael A. Posnick NN
SANGREENB@aol.com                                      SANDRA A . GREENBERG NN
saul@swico.demon.co.uk                                         Saul Issroff YY
sbr@ausom.net.au                                         Solomon Braunstein YY
SBurstein@aol.com                                            Susan Burstein NN
schernoff@chernoff.com                                      Steven Chernoff YY
sculptor@mcs.com                                           Walter S. Arnold NN
SelmaN@aol.com                                               SELMA NEUBAUER NN
Ses9@aol.com                                           Samuel Ellis Skydell NN
setha@teleport.com                                           Seth D. Alford NN
Sgirson@aol.com                                                  Sam Girson NN
shmuel@dorsai.org                                          Stewart Gottlieb NN
SHOR@apsicc.aps.edu                                                 FJ Shor NN
shrao@nyx.net                                                   Shrisha Rao NN
SIDG@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU                                     Sidney Goldstein YY
SitaL@aol.com                                                  Sita Likuski NN
SKYDELL@aol.com                          Carol W. Skydell <skydell@aol.com> NN
smk@sco.com                                               Stanley M Krieger YY
SMSDIAMOND@aol.com                                       Stanley M. Diamond NN
SPB@tntv5.ntrs.com                                             Steve Bonine -Y
sreichst@chat.carleton.ca                                  Hymie Reichstein NN
ssi448@nwu.edu                                                 Myrna Siegel YY
ssklein@acs.ryerson.ca                                   Suzanne Silk Klein YN
ssnyder@usgs.gov                                          Stephen L. Snyder NN
sswaxman@linknet.net                                      suzanne s. waxman NN
stainles@bga.com                                               Dwight Brown NN
StanJudd@aol.com                                            Stanley H. Judd NN
stanley.blum@dragon.bbs.com                                    Stanley BLUM NN
steve-e@ix.netcom.com                                    Stephen Eisenstein NN
STEVE_BERCH@HP-Boise-om2.om.hp.com                              STEVE BERCH NN
stevsta@gwis.com                                          Stephen G. Esrati NN
strom@watson.ibm.com                                              Rob Strom YY
stuart@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz                                  stuart yeates YY
suef@dial.pipex.com                                             Susan Fifer NN
sugerman@pluto.njcc.com                                     Arthur Sugerman NN
susan.king@trace.cgsg.com                                     Susan E. King NN
swass@global2000.net                                         Stephen Wasser NN
swit@techunix.technion.ac.il                                Yehuda Witenoff NN
tab@itginc.com                                                  Terry Brown YY
taf2@po.cwru.edu                                           Todd A. Farmerie NN
tasgal@math.tau.ac.il                                        Richard Tasgal NN
TBURCH@lan.tjhsst.edu                                         Timothy Burch NN
TGostin@aol.com                                                  Ted Gostin NN
TheAdmrl@injersey.com                                   John Kenneth Fisher YY
tinear@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us                            Howard Cherney NN
tjaskiew@us.oracle.com                                       Tom Jaskiewicz -Y
tkaufman@pacifier.com                                        Terrie Kaufman NN
tlawson@amug.org                                             Todd C. Lawson NN
tomk@nando.net                                              Thomas Krakauer NN
tools_dev@netvision.net.il                                  MARK BERELOWITZ YY
topt@lvd.com.ar                                              HECTOR MONDRIK NN
tphillips@gph.com                                              Tom Phillips YY
turanski@ix.netcom.com                                       David Turanski YY
TYDR82A@prodigy.com                                     Shelley Parish Nord NN
ukcraine@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu                                    Kathleen Craine NN
Ulenspigel@aol.com                                         E. Robert Wilson YY
varange@crl.com                                                Troy Varange NN
Vcharny@aol.com                                               Vitaly Charny YY
VHWC10A@prodigy.com                                           Gary Mokotoff NN
Viviankahn@aol.com                                              Vivian Kahn NN
warren@vis.com                                                 Warren Blatt NN
warshall@tiac.net                                          Stephen Warshall YY
werle@pacificnet.net                                           Marion Werle NN
WHirsch869@aol.com                                         WERNER S. HIRSCH NN
wilsonr@hdsun16.haledorr.com                                   Rusty Wilson NN
winters@oasys.dt.navy.mil                                Patrick J. Winters YY
wkoch@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us                                      William Koch YY
Yallsy@aol.com                                                  Yael Raymon NN
YLXX42A@prodigy.com                                Gloria Berkenstat Freund NN
YUDELSON.JE@a1.isc.rit.edu                                  Julian Yudelson YY
YVBN20B@prodigy.com                                             Robin Goret NN
znmeb@teleport.com                                        M. Edward Borasky YY


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