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From [email protected] Fri Feb  4 16:17:40 1994
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From: [email protected] (F Andrew McMichael)
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Subject: RFD: soc.history.war.us-civil-war moderated
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Date: 4 Feb 1994 16:02:19 -0500
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This is a formal Request for Discussion to create the newsgroup
soc.history.war.us-civil-war.  The group shall be moderated and be created
along the following lines:

Rational:

There is currently alt.war.civil.usa,  but not every site gets alt.*
groups.  The creation of s.h.w.ucw would allow for wider propagation of
a topic that is already found on mailing lists around the country.  By going
to the soc.* hierarchy,  many universities not currently carrying a.w.c.u
would help to expand the readership of the group.

Discussion should take place in news.groups.

If sufficient cause is found,  the CFV will be issued March 1st through
the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers.

The charter would be as follows:

Soc.history.war.us-civil-war

Purpose-

The purpose of this group is the discussion of topics related to the United
States Civil War (1861-65).  Topics can involve military,  political,  social,
economic,  or other factors which impacted upon this period of history.  This
newsgroup will also serve as a source of information,  assistance,  or
referral for persons seeking guidance via responses from more knowlegable
subscribers.

Charter-

This group shall be moderated by a team of three [3] moderators,  any one of
which can serve as a backup to the other two.  Moderation shall consist
mainly of filtering out flaming and non-related topics.  After the initial
moderators are chosen during the RFD,  they shall continue on as moderators
until they step down.


Scope of the newsgroup--

It is recognized that the origins of the U.S. Civil War can be traced back to 
the first importations of slaves in the New World.  For the purposes of this 
group,  however,  discusion will be restricted to the period covering 1776 
until 1877.  Moderators may direct outside topics to both alt.war.civil.usa,  
as well as to other appropriate newsgroups. 

From [email protected] Thu Apr 20 21:59:59 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (F Andrew McMichael)
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Subject: RFD: soc.history.war.us-civil moderated
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                    REQUEST FOR  DISCUSSION (RFD)
               moderated group soc.history.war.us-civil

Newsgroup    : soc.history.war.us-civil
Distribution : world-wide
Summary      : General discussion of the U.S. Civil War.
Proposers    : Andrew McMichael <[email protected]>

This is a formal Request For Discussion on the creation of the newsgroup
soc.history.war.us-civil

This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup
Creation. Its language is based on previously submitted RFDs. The name
was submitted for approval to, and received approval from, Group Advice.
The RFD is being cross-posted to the following relevant news groups :

alt.war.civil.usa, news.groups, news.announce.newgroups, soc.history.war,
soc.history.war.world-war-ii, soc.history.

Discussion will take place only in news.groups, so follow-ups should
be set accordingly. This is in accordance with the Guidleines, and
news.groups, as the newsgroup created specifically for the purpose,
should be the only group where discussion takes place.

Charter

    The range of discussion for soc.history.war.us-civil will be necessarily
broad, ranging from the Revolutionary War, and the philosophies and
limitations of the Constitution, up to the New South era and beyond.
Discussion in the group will be limited to military, economic,
technological, demographic, and historical aspects of the US Civil War.

Discussion might include, but are certainly not limited to:

        *Specific battles
  	*Slavery as it relates to the Civil War
	*Causes of the Civil War
	*The concepts of States Rights
	*Individuals who affected and were affected by the war
	*Diplomatic efforts by both sides
	*Court cases affecting the war
	*Reconstruction
	*Prison camps
	*Reenacting
	*The right to seceed
        *Participation by various ethnic groups.
        *European reaction to the war
        *Immigration, how the war affected potential emigrants
        *Technological developments caused by the war
        *Media coverage (print journalism & photography)
	*etc.


     Moderation will be lenient, rather than broad, with s.h.w.us-civil
being a forum for open, serious discussion of the events of the Civil War.
Moderation is in place not to limit discussion, but to prevent the endless
flame wars which currently plague alt.war.civil.usa. The idea is to raise
the level of discussion to the point where the more serious scholar will
see the forum as a serious place of information, instead of an ongoing
combat between Southern and Northern sympathizers.

Rationale

	Perhaps the hardest thing to justify in the creation of any group is
the need. There certainly is no doubt as to whether or not there would be
traffic for the group. Currently alt.war.civil.usa gets about 100-200
messages per day. In addition, there are several Civil War mailing lists. In
the case of s.h.w.us-civil, justification might be harder due to the fact
that alt.war.civil.usa already exists. However, it is the existence of this
group which brings about the need for s.h.w.us-civil.

	1. Currently a.w.c.u is a flame-filled forum, with participants in
		many cases afraid to ask reasonable questions for fear of
		being labelled a "Southern" or "Northern" sympathizer. A
		moderated group would take care of that. Moderation would
		filter out the flames and bring about an atmosphere more
		conducive to discussion of the Civil War.

	2. The questiom then arises as to bringing it into the Big 7 hierarchy
		by naming it soc.history.war.us-civil. There are two
		considerations here. One is that by moving the Civil War
		newsgroup into the Big 7, we give it a broader range of
		exposure, allowing people to join who may not otherwise have
		had a chance. The second reason in that a *.history.war.*
		hierarchy is already in existence, with soc.history.war.world-
		war-ii, and the proposed s.h.w.vietnam already in place.
		A Civil War group logically fits into this spot.

	3. And finally, upon the creation of soc.history.war.us-civil,
		alt.war.civil.usa would be rmgrouped and the new group would
		take its place. Thus the traffic would move transfer from the
		old group to the new, leaving only a single group for the
		discussion of the U.S. Civil War.




Moderation Policy for soc.history.war.us-civil


1) Broad Policy-

    * Articles which discuss the American Civil War and its events will be
      approved for posting.

    * Artilces which try to lay blame for events at the feet of a single
      race, religion or ethnic group will not be approved for posting.

    * Articles must contain original thought. Lengthy quoting of source
      material with no comments at the end will not be approved for
      posting.

    * Articles which contain personal attacks of any sort will not be
      approved for posting.

    * Blank messages, test messages, advertisements, MAKE.MONEY.FAST,
      binaries, uuencoded messages, and so forth, will not be approved
      posting.

    * Moderators may, at their discretion, change the Subject: lines for
      threads which have strayed from the initial subject.

    * Articles which include excessive quoting (e.g. an article which quotes
      an entire other article in order to add a few comments at the end)
      will be trimmed down by the moderator in question.

    * An article MUST have a valid reply-to address or it will not be
      approved for posting.

    * Individuals with civil-war related items for sale or swap may
      submit messages for approval to the moderators. Posting is not
      guaranteed.

    * Rejected articles will be shared with the other moderators for group
      consideration.


    QUOTED TEXT:

    Any article that contains more than fifty percent quoted material (and
    the author's signature shall not count as original material for purposes
    of determining the proportion) may be trimmed or rejected at the
    discretion of the moderator. In exercising this discretion, the
    moderator shall take readability considerations into account, such as
    the amount of quoted material at the beginning of the message, and the
    size of the blocks of quoted material. An article in which the author
    has included a long article as a quote without making any effort to trim
    the quoted article may be rejected. A moderator may trim quoted material
    from any article at his or her discretion.


    SIGNATURE LENGTH:

    In keeping with Usenet netiquette conventions, signatures should be
    restricted to four lines. Moderators may, at their discretion, trim
    .sigs to four lines before posting articles.



2) Moderators List. Add/del policy. Setup

    LIST OF MODERATORS:
    ___________________

[email protected]                              Mike Furlan
[email protected]                           Lynn Berkowitz
[email protected]                                 Barbara Obrien
[email protected]                            James F. Epperson
[email protected]                        Mike System Janitor
[email protected]                            Andrew Mcmichael
[email protected]			 Gary Charbonneau


    ADD/DEL POLICY FOR MODERATORS:
    _____________________________

    Moderators will be added by majority vote of the existing moderators and
    moderators will be removed by 2/3 vote in the event that a moderator is
    shown to be failing to do the job (i.e. not posting anything).


    MODERATION SETUP/APARATUS
    _________________________

    This group will be group-moderated using a Majordomo listserver. It has
    been configured so that each article received at [[email protected]]
    will be sent to the next moderator in turn, using a list of subscribed
    moderators. Hence, the *submission* address for articles will be
    [[email protected]]. The *contact* address for the group, once
    created, will be [email protected]
-- 
[email protected]
co-moderator soc.history.war.world-war-ii
GMU History Dept. WWW- http://gopher.gmu.edu/other/history
If your history department has a WWW homepage, e-mail me with the URL.

From [email protected] Mon May 15 18:17:52 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (F Andrew McMichael)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.war.civil.usa,soc.history.war.misc,soc.history
Subject: RFD: soc.history.war.us-civil-war moderated
Followup-To: news.groups
Date: 15 May 1995 13:07:27 -0400
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA
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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
             moderated group soc.history.war.us-civil-war

This RFD incorporates a name change from the RFD issued for
soc.history.war.us-civil, so it is being reissued. The timeline
remains the same.

Newsgroups line:
soc.history.war.us-civil-war	Moderated discussion of the U.S. Civil War.

This is a formal Request For Discussion on the creation of the newsgroup
soc.history.war.us-civil-war.

This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup
Creation. Its language is based on previously submitted RFDs. The name
was submitted for approval to, and received approval from, Group Advice.
The RFD is being cross-posted to the following relevant news groups :

alt.war.civil.usa, news.groups, news.announce.newgroups,
soc.history.war.misc, soc.history.

Discussion will take place only in news.groups, so follow-ups should
be set accordingly. This is in accordance with the Guidleines, and
news.groups, as the newsgroup created specifically for the purpose,
should be the only group where discussion takes place.

RATIONALE


	Perhaps the hardest thing to justify in the creation of any group is
the need. There certainly is no doubt as to whether or not there would be
traffic for the group. Currently alt.war.civil.usa gets about 100-200
messages per day. In addition, there are several Civil War mailing lists. In
the case of s.h.w.us-civil, justification might be harder due to the fact
that alt.war.civil.usa already exists. However, it is the existence of this
group which brings about the need for s.h.w.us-civil.

	1. Currently a.w.c.u is a flame-filled forum, with participants in
		many cases afraid to ask reasonable questions for fear of
		being labelled a "Southern" or "Northern" sympathizer. A
		moderated group would take care of that. Moderation would
		filter out the flames and bring about an atmosphere more
		conducive to discussion of the Civil War.

	2. The questiom then arises as to bringing it into the Big 7 hierarchy
		by naming it soc.history.war.us-civil-war. There are two
		considerations here. One is that by moving the Civil War
		newsgroup into the Big 7, we give it a broader range of
		exposure, allowing people to join who may not otherwise have
		had a chance. The second reason in that a *.history.war.*
		hierarchy is already in existence, with soc.history.war.world-
		war-ii, and the proposed s.h.w.vietnam already in place.
		A Civil War group logically fits into this spot.

	3. And finally, upon the creation of soc.history.war.us-civil-war,
		it is perceived that most traffic would transfer from the
		old group to the new, leaving only a single group for the
		discussion of the U.S. Civil War.

CHARTER

    The range of discussion for soc.history.war.us-civil-war will be
necessarily broad, ranging from the Revolutionary War, and the
philosophies and limitations of the Constitution, up to the New
South era and beyond. Discussion in the group will be limited to
military, economic, political, technological, demographic, and
historical aspects of the US Civil War.

Discussion might include, but are certainly not limited to:

        *Specific battles
  	*Slavery as it relates to the Civil War
	*Causes of the Civil War
	*The concepts of States Rights
	*Individuals who affected and were affected by the war
	*Diplomatic efforts by both sides
	*Court cases affecting the war
	*Reconstruction
	*Prison camps
	*Reenacting
	*The right to seceed
        *Participation by various ethnic groups.
        *European reaction to the war
        *Immigration, how the war affected potential emigrants
        *Technological developments caused by the war
        *Media coverage (print journalism & photography)
	*etc.


     Moderation will be lenient, rather than broad, with s.h.w.us-civil
being a forum for open, serious discussion of the events of the Civil War.
Moderation is in place not to limit discussion, but to prevent the endless
flame wars which currently plague alt.war.civil.usa. The idea is to raise
the level of discussion to the point where the more serious scholar will
see the forum as a serious place of information, instead of an ongoing
combat between Southern and Northern sympathizers.

Moderation Policy for soc.history.war.us-civil-war

1) Broad Policy-

    * Articles which discuss the American Civil War and its events will be
      approved for posting.

    * Artilces which try to lay blame for events at the feet of
     a single race, religion or ethnic group will not be approved for posting.
    * Articles must contain original thought.  Lengthy quoting (more than 30
     lines) of source material must be accompanied by commentary or by other
     text which ties it to on-going discussions.  Articles which quote
     substantially the same source material repetitively will not be approved.
     Articles consisting of materials which are available on-line at ftp
     or WWW sites will not be approved, rather pointers to sites may be given.
     Moderators may waive this rule at their discretion.

    * Articles which contain personal attacks of any sort will not be
      approved for posting.

    * Blank messages, test messages, advertisements, MAKE.MONEY.FAST,
      binaries, uuencoded messages, and so forth, will not be approved
      posting.

    * Moderators may, at their discretion, change the Subject: lines for
      threads which have strayed from the initial subject.

    * Articles which include excessive quoting (e.g. an article which quotes
      an entire other article in order to add a few comments at the end)
      will be trimmed down by the moderator in question.

    * An article MUST have a valid reply-to address or it will not be
      approved for posting.

    * Individuals with civil-war related items for sale or swap may
      submit messages for approval to the moderators. Posting is not
      guaranteed.

    * Rejected articles will be shared with the other moderators for group
      consideration.


    QUOTED TEXT:

    Any article that contains more than fifty percent quoted material (and
    the author's signature shall not count as original material for purposes
    of determining the proportion) may be trimmed or rejected at the
    discretion of the moderator. In exercising this discretion, the
    moderator shall take readability considerations into account, such as
    the amount of quoted material at the beginning of the message, and the
    size of the blocks of quoted material. If the entire length of the
    article (excluding header and signature) is less than 24 lines of
    80 characters, then the requirement of 50% original material _may_
    be waived at the moderator's discretion.


    SIGNATURE LENGTH:

    In keeping with Usenet netiquette conventions, signatures should be
    restricted to four lines. Moderators may, at their discretion, trim
    .sigs to four lines before posting articles.



2) Moderators List. Add/del policy. Setup

    LIST OF MODERATORS:
    ___________________

[email protected]                              Mike Furlan
[email protected]                           Lynn Berkowitz
[email protected]                                 Barbara Obrien
[email protected]                            James F. Epperson
[email protected]                        Mike System Janitor
[email protected]                            Andrew Mcmichael
[email protected]			 Gary Charbonneau


    ADD/DEL POLICY FOR MODERATORS:
    _____________________________

    Moderators will be added by majority vote of the existing moderators and
    moderators will be removed by 2/3 vote in the event that a moderator is
    shown to be failing to do the job (i.e. not posting anything).


    MODERATION SETUP/APARATUS
    _________________________

    This group will be group-moderated using a Majordomo listserver. It has
    been configured so that each article received at [[email protected]]
    will be sent to the next moderator in turn, using a list of subscribed
    moderators. Hence, the *submission* address for articles will be
    <[email protected]>. The *contact* address for the group, once
    created, will be [email protected]

--
[email protected]
co-moderator soc.history.war.world-war-ii
GMU History Dept. WWW- http://gopher.gmu.edu/other/history
If your history department has a WWW homepage, e-mail me with the URL.

From [email protected] Thu Jun  8 17:18:50 1995
Status: RO
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Kenneth Herron)
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Subject: CFV: soc.history.war.us-civil-war moderated
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Date: 8 Jun 1995 17:17:18 -0400
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                     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
             moderated group soc.history.war.us-civil-war

Newsgroups line:
soc.history.war.us-civil-war	Aspects of the U.S. Civil War

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 29 June 1995.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions
only contact [email protected]  For questions about the proposed
group contact Andrew McMichael <[email protected]>.


CHARTER

        The range of discussion for soc.history.war.us-civil-war will be
        necessarily broad, ranging from the Revolutionary War, and the
        philosophies and limitations of the Constitution, up to the New
        South era and beyond. Discussion in the group will be limited to
        military, economic, political, technological, demographic, and
        historical aspects of the US Civil War.

        Discussion might include, but are certainly not limited to:

        *Specific battles
        *Slavery as it relates to the Civil War
        *Causes of the Civil War
        *The concepts of States Rights
        *Individuals who affected and were affected by the war
        *Diplomatic efforts by both sides
        *Court cases affecting the war
        *Reconstruction
        *Prison camps
        *Reenacting
        *The right to seceed
        *Participation by various ethnic groups.
        *European reaction to the war
        *Immigration, how the war affected potential emigrants
        *Technological developments caused by the war
        *Media coverage (print journalism & photography)
        *etc.


        Moderation will be lenient, rather than broad, with s.h.w.us-civil
        being a forum for open, serious discussion of the events of the
        Civil War.  Moderation is in place not to limit discussion, but to
        prevent the endless flame wars which currently plague
        alt.war.civil.usa. The idea is to raise the level of discussion to
        the point where the more serious scholar will see the forum as a
        serious place of information, instead of an ongoing combat between
        Southern and Northern sympathizers.



Moderation Policy for soc.history.war.us-civil-war


1) Broad Policy-

    * Articles which discuss the American Civil War and its events will be
      approved for posting.

    * Artilces which try to lay blame for events at the feet of a single
      race, religion or ethnic group will not be approved for posting.

    * Articles must contain original thought.  Lengthy quoting (more than
      30 lines) of source material must be accompanied by commentary or by
      other text which ties it to on-going discussions.  Articles which
      quote substantially the same source material repetitively will not be
      approved.  Articles consisting of materials which are available
      on-line at ftp or WWW sites will not be approved, rather pointers to
      sites may be given.  Moderators may waive this rule at their
      discretion.

    * Articles which contain personal attacks of any sort will not be
      approved for posting.

    * Blank messages, test messages, advertisements, MAKE.MONEY.FAST,
      binaries, uuencoded messages, and so forth, will not be approved
      posting.

    * Moderators may, at their discretion, change the Subject: lines for
      threads which have strayed from the initial subject.

    * Articles which include excessive quoting (e.g. an article which quotes
      an entire other article in order to add a few comments at the end)
      will be trimmed down by the moderator in question.

    * An article MUST have a valid reply-to address or it will not be
      approved for posting.

    * Individuals with civil-war related items for sale or swap may
      submit messages for approval to the moderators. Posting is not
      guaranteed.

    * Rejected articles will be shared with the other moderators for group
      consideration.

    QUOTED TEXT:

    Any article that contains more than fifty percent quoted material (and
    the author's signature shall not count as original material for purposes
    of determining the proportion) may be trimmed or rejected at the
    discretion of the moderator. In exercising this discretion, the
    moderator shall take readability considerations into account, such as
    the amount of quoted material at the beginning of the message, and the
    size of the blocks of quoted material. If the entire length of the
    article (excluding header and signature) is less than 24 lines of
    80 characters, then the requirement of 50% original material _may_
    be waived at the moderator's discretion.


    SIGNATURE LENGTH:

    In keeping with Usenet netiquette conventions, signatures should be
    restricted to four lines. Moderators may, at their discretion, trim
    .sigs to four lines before posting articles.



2) Moderators List. Add/del policy. Setup

    LIST OF MODERATORS:
    ___________________

        [email protected]                              Mike Furlan
        [email protected]                           Lynn Berkowitz
        [email protected]                                 Barbara Obrien
        [email protected]                            James F. Epperson
        [email protected]                        Mike Marshall
        [email protected]                            Andrew Mcmichael
        [email protected]                  Gary Charbonneau


    ADD/DEL POLICY FOR MODERATORS:
    _____________________________

    Moderators will be added by majority vote of the existing moderators and
    moderators will be removed by 2/3 vote in the event that a moderator is
    shown to be failing to do the job (i.e. not posting anything).


    MODERATION SETUP/APARATUS
    _________________________

    This group will be group-moderated using a Majordomo listserver. It has
    been configured so that each article received at [email protected]
    will be sent to the next moderator in turn, using a list of subscribed
    moderators. Hence, the *submission* address for articles will be
    [email protected] The *contact* address for the group, once
    created, will be [email protected]


RATIONALE

Perhaps the hardest thing to justify in the creation of any group is the
need. There certainly is no doubt as to whether or not there would be
traffic for the group. Currently alt.war.civil.usa gets about 100-200
messages per day. In addition, there are several Civil War mailing lists.
In the case of s.h.w.us-civil, justification might be harder due to the
fact that alt.war.civil.usa already exists. However, it is the existence of
this group which brings about the need for s.h.w.us-civil.

1.      Currently a.w.c.u is a flame-filled forum, with participants in
        many cases afraid to ask reasonable questions for fear of being
        labelled a "Southern" or "Northern" sympathizer. A moderated group
        would take care of that. Moderation would filter out the flames and
        bring about an atmosphere more conducive to discussion of the Civil
        War.

2.      The questiom then arises as to bringing it into the Big 7 hierarchy
        by naming it soc.history.war.us-civil-war. There are two
        considerations here. One is that by moving the Civil War newsgroup
        into the Big 7, we give it a broader range of exposure, allowing
        people to join who may not otherwise have had a chance. The second
        reason in that a *.history.war.* hierarchy is already in existence,
        with soc.history.war.world-war-ii, and the proposed s.h.w.vietnam
        already in place.  A Civil War group logically fits into this spot.

3.      And finally, upon the creation of soc.history.war.us-civil-war, it
        is perceived that most traffic would transfer from the old group to
        the new, leaving only a single group for the discussion of the U.S.
        Civil War.



HOW TO VOTE

Send MAIL to:   [email protected]
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.
Don't include the full text of this article in your reply.

The body of your mail message should contain one of the following
statements:

      I vote YES on soc.history.war.us-civil-war
      I vote NO on soc.history.war.us-civil-war

You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.

Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account.  Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.

From [email protected] Wed Jun 21 16:43:11 1995
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Subject: 2nd CFV: soc.history.war.us-civil-war moderated
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                     LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
             moderated group soc.history.war.us-civil-war

Newsgroups line:
soc.history.war.us-civil-war	Aspects of the U.S. Civil War

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 29 June 1995.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions
only contact [email protected]  For questions about the proposed
group contact Andrew McMichael <[email protected]>.


CHARTER

        The range of discussion for soc.history.war.us-civil-war will be
        necessarily broad, ranging from the Revolutionary War, and the
        philosophies and limitations of the Constitution, up to the New
        South era and beyond. Discussion in the group will be limited to
        military, economic, political, technological, demographic, and
        historical aspects of the US Civil War.

        Discussion might include, but are certainly not limited to:

        *Specific battles
        *Slavery as it relates to the Civil War
        *Causes of the Civil War
        *The concepts of States Rights
        *Individuals who affected and were affected by the war
        *Diplomatic efforts by both sides
        *Court cases affecting the war
        *Reconstruction
        *Prison camps
        *Reenacting
        *The right to seceed
        *Participation by various ethnic groups.
        *European reaction to the war
        *Immigration, how the war affected potential emigrants
        *Technological developments caused by the war
        *Media coverage (print journalism & photography)
        *etc.


        Moderation will be lenient, rather than broad, with s.h.w.us-civil
        being a forum for open, serious discussion of the events of the
        Civil War.  Moderation is in place not to limit discussion, but to
        prevent the endless flame wars which currently plague
        alt.war.civil.usa. The idea is to raise the level of discussion to
        the point where the more serious scholar will see the forum as a
        serious place of information, instead of an ongoing combat between
        Southern and Northern sympathizers.



Moderation Policy for soc.history.war.us-civil-war


1) Broad Policy-

    * Articles which discuss the American Civil War and its events will be
      approved for posting.

    * Artilces which try to lay blame for events at the feet of a single
      race, religion or ethnic group will not be approved for posting.

    * Articles must contain original thought.  Lengthy quoting (more than
      30 lines) of source material must be accompanied by commentary or by
      other text which ties it to on-going discussions.  Articles which
      quote substantially the same source material repetitively will not be
      approved.  Articles consisting of materials which are available
      on-line at ftp or WWW sites will not be approved, rather pointers to
      sites may be given.  Moderators may waive this rule at their
      discretion.

    * Articles which contain personal attacks of any sort will not be
      approved for posting.

    * Blank messages, test messages, advertisements, MAKE.MONEY.FAST,
      binaries, uuencoded messages, and so forth, will not be approved
      posting.

    * Moderators may, at their discretion, change the Subject: lines for
      threads which have strayed from the initial subject.

    * Articles which include excessive quoting (e.g. an article which quotes
      an entire other article in order to add a few comments at the end)
      will be trimmed down by the moderator in question.

    * An article MUST have a valid reply-to address or it will not be
      approved for posting.

    * Individuals with civil-war related items for sale or swap may
      submit messages for approval to the moderators. Posting is not
      guaranteed.

    * Rejected articles will be shared with the other moderators for group
      consideration.

    QUOTED TEXT:

    Any article that contains more than fifty percent quoted material (and
    the author's signature shall not count as original material for purposes
    of determining the proportion) may be trimmed or rejected at the
    discretion of the moderator. In exercising this discretion, the
    moderator shall take readability considerations into account, such as
    the amount of quoted material at the beginning of the message, and the
    size of the blocks of quoted material. If the entire length of the
    article (excluding header and signature) is less than 24 lines of
    80 characters, then the requirement of 50% original material _may_
    be waived at the moderator's discretion.


    SIGNATURE LENGTH:

    In keeping with Usenet netiquette conventions, signatures should be
    restricted to four lines. Moderators may, at their discretion, trim
    .sigs to four lines before posting articles.



2) Moderators List. Add/del policy. Setup

    LIST OF MODERATORS:
    ___________________

        [email protected]                              Mike Furlan
        [email protected]                           Lynn Berkowitz
        [email protected]                                 Barbara Obrien
        [email protected]                            James F. Epperson
        [email protected]                        Mike Marshall
        [email protected]                            Andrew Mcmichael
        [email protected]                  Gary Charbonneau


    ADD/DEL POLICY FOR MODERATORS:
    _____________________________

    Moderators will be added by majority vote of the existing moderators and
    moderators will be removed by 2/3 vote in the event that a moderator is
    shown to be failing to do the job (i.e. not posting anything).


    MODERATION SETUP/APARATUS
    _________________________

    This group will be group-moderated using a Majordomo listserver. It has
    been configured so that each article received at [email protected]
    will be sent to the next moderator in turn, using a list of subscribed
    moderators. Hence, the *submission* address for articles will be
    [email protected] The *contact* address for the group, once
    created, will be [email protected]


RATIONALE

Perhaps the hardest thing to justify in the creation of any group is the
need. There certainly is no doubt as to whether or not there would be
traffic for the group. Currently alt.war.civil.usa gets about 100-200
messages per day. In addition, there are several Civil War mailing lists.
In the case of s.h.w.us-civil, justification might be harder due to the
fact that alt.war.civil.usa already exists. However, it is the existence of
this group which brings about the need for s.h.w.us-civil.

1.      Currently a.w.c.u is a flame-filled forum, with participants in
        many cases afraid to ask reasonable questions for fear of being
        labelled a "Southern" or "Northern" sympathizer. A moderated group
        would take care of that. Moderation would filter out the flames and
        bring about an atmosphere more conducive to discussion of the Civil
        War.

2.      The questiom then arises as to bringing it into the Big 7 hierarchy
        by naming it soc.history.war.us-civil-war. There are two
        considerations here. One is that by moving the Civil War newsgroup
        into the Big 7, we give it a broader range of exposure, allowing
        people to join who may not otherwise have had a chance. The second
        reason in that a *.history.war.* hierarchy is already in existence,
        with soc.history.war.world-war-ii, and the proposed s.h.w.vietnam
        already in place.  A Civil War group logically fits into this spot.

3.      And finally, upon the creation of soc.history.war.us-civil-war, it
        is perceived that most traffic would transfer from the old group to
        the new, leaving only a single group for the discussion of the U.S.
        Civil War.



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From [email protected] Tue Jul 11 13:28:48 1995
Status: RO
Path: uunet!in1.uu.net!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Kenneth Herron)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.war.civil.usa,soc.history,soc.history.moderated,soc.history.war.world-war-ii
Subject: RESULT: soc.history.war.us-civil-war moderated Passes 141:37
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                               RESULT
        moderated group soc.history.war.us-civil-war passes 141:37

soc.history.war.us-civil-war results - 178 valid votes

 Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
 141   37 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : soc.history.war.us-civil-war
   3 abstaining votes and 3 invalid votes

Newsgroups line:
soc.history.war.us-civil-war	spects of the U.S. Civil War

Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 29 June 1995.

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.  If
no serious and significant allegations of voting irregularities are raised,
the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the newsgroups shortly
thereafter.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions
only contact [email protected]  For questions about the proposed
group contact Andrew McMichael <[email protected]>.


CHARTER

        The range of discussion for soc.history.war.us-civil-war will be
        necessarily broad, ranging from the Revolutionary War, and the
        philosophies and limitations of the Constitution, up to the New
        South era and beyond. Discussion in the group will be limited to
        military, economic, political, technological, demographic, and
        historical aspects of the US Civil War.

        Discussion might include, but are certainly not limited to:

        *Specific battles
        *Slavery as it relates to the Civil War
        *Causes of the Civil War
        *The concepts of States Rights
        *Individuals who affected and were affected by the war
        *Diplomatic efforts by both sides
        *Court cases affecting the war
        *Reconstruction
        *Prison camps
        *Reenacting
        *The right to seceed
        *Participation by various ethnic groups.
        *European reaction to the war
        *Immigration, how the war affected potential emigrants
        *Technological developments caused by the war
        *Media coverage (print journalism & photography)
        *etc.


        Moderation will be lenient, rather than broad, with s.h.w.us-civil
        being a forum for open, serious discussion of the events of the
        Civil War.  Moderation is in place not to limit discussion, but to
        prevent the endless flame wars which currently plague
        alt.war.civil.usa. The idea is to raise the level of discussion to
        the point where the more serious scholar will see the forum as a
        serious place of information, instead of an ongoing combat between
        Southern and Northern sympathizers.



Moderation Policy for soc.history.war.us-civil-war


1) Broad Policy-

    * Articles which discuss the American Civil War and its events will be
      approved for posting.

    * Artilces which try to lay blame for events at the feet of a single
      race, religion or ethnic group will not be approved for posting.

    * Articles must contain original thought.  Lengthy quoting (more than
      30 lines) of source material must be accompanied by commentary or by
      other text which ties it to on-going discussions.  Articles which
      quote substantially the same source material repetitively will not be
      approved.  Articles consisting of materials which are available
      on-line at ftp or WWW sites will not be approved, rather pointers to
      sites may be given.  Moderators may waive this rule at their
      discretion.

    * Articles which contain personal attacks of any sort will not be
      approved for posting.

    * Blank messages, test messages, advertisements, MAKE.MONEY.FAST,
      binaries, uuencoded messages, and so forth, will not be approved
      posting.

    * Moderators may, at their discretion, change the Subject: lines for
      threads which have strayed from the initial subject.

    * Articles which include excessive quoting (e.g. an article which quotes
      an entire other article in order to add a few comments at the end)
      will be trimmed down by the moderator in question.

    * An article MUST have a valid reply-to address or it will not be
      approved for posting.

    * Individuals with civil-war related items for sale or swap may
      submit messages for approval to the moderators. Posting is not
      guaranteed.

    * Rejected articles will be shared with the other moderators for group
      consideration.

    QUOTED TEXT:

    Any article that contains more than fifty percent quoted material (and
    the author's signature shall not count as original material for purposes
    of determining the proportion) may be trimmed or rejected at the
    discretion of the moderator. In exercising this discretion, the
    moderator shall take readability considerations into account, such as
    the amount of quoted material at the beginning of the message, and the
    size of the blocks of quoted material. If the entire length of the
    article (excluding header and signature) is less than 24 lines of
    80 characters, then the requirement of 50% original material _may_
    be waived at the moderator's discretion.


    SIGNATURE LENGTH:

    In keeping with Usenet netiquette conventions, signatures should be
    restricted to four lines. Moderators may, at their discretion, trim
    .sigs to four lines before posting articles.



2) Moderators List. Add/del policy. Setup

    LIST OF MODERATORS:
    ___________________

        [email protected]                              Mike Furlan
        [email protected]                           Lynn Berkowitz
        [email protected]                                 Barbara Obrien
        [email protected]                            James F. Epperson
        [email protected]                        Mike Marshall
        [email protected]                            Andrew Mcmichael
        [email protected]                  Gary Charbonneau


    ADD/DEL POLICY FOR MODERATORS:
    _____________________________

    Moderators will be added by majority vote of the existing moderators and
    moderators will be removed by 2/3 vote in the event that a moderator is
    shown to be failing to do the job (i.e. not posting anything).


    MODERATION SETUP/APARATUS
    _________________________

    This group will be group-moderated using a Majordomo listserver. It has
    been configured so that each article received at [email protected]
    will be sent to the next moderator in turn, using a list of subscribed
    moderators. Hence, the *submission* address for articles will be
    [email protected] The *contact* address for the group, once
    created, will be [email protected]


soc.history.war.us-civil-war Final Vote Ack

Voted Yes
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[email protected]                                           Fred Crouse
[email protected]                                          Aaron R. Priven
[email protected]                                             Paul Adams
[email protected]                                       F Andrew McMichael
andyl@harlequin.com                                                 Andy Latto
aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com                               Alexandra J Schmidt
bailey@hagar.ph.utexas.edu                                           Ed Bailey
bakerj@agcs.com
bdboyle@maverick1.erenj.com                                     Bryan D. Boyle
beachwds@teleport.com                                  Dale & Leslie Beachwood
bennett@mcs.kent.edu                                               Dan Bennett
bmk@lucifer.als.lbl.gov                                       Brian M. Kincaid
brooks.simpson@asu.edu                                          Brooks Simpson
bruce@loki.atcon.com                                             Bruce Worrall
BUBBAMIKE@delphi.com                                                 Bubbamike
burtonj@mg.sdstate.edu                          Burton, John               CES
calvin@wariat.org                                              Joel W Tscherne
cbaker@wam.umd.edu                                            C. Douglas Baker
chakk@mecca.epri.com                                          Chuck Hakkarinen
chambles@whale.st.usm.edu                               John William Chambless
ckann@seas.gwu.edu                                             Charles W. Kann
clements@u.washington.edu                                          S. Clements
clstampe@mailbox.syr.edu                                         Chris Stamper
clw@teleport.com                                               C. L. Waltemath
cwebstr4@ix.netcom.com                                  Charles D. Webster, IV
cwilmot@nic-nac.CSU.net                                           Chuck Wilmot
davidsen@tmr.com                                                 bill davidsen
delco@esun.ho.att.com
deyman@skidmore.EDU                                                david eyman
donald_healey@CCMAIL.UOREGON.EDU                                 donald healey
doug@metronet.com                                              Douglas C Scott
ejk4e@darwin.clas.virginia.edu                           Edward James Kilsdonk
ekdille@wuche.wustl.edu                                           Earl K Dille
embransc@hamlet.uncg.edu                                   Edward M. Branscomb
ERenehan@aol.com
flash@Enigma.metro2.k12.mn.us                                      Anoka Flash
Foto67@aol.com
franksii@ix.netcom.com                                           Frank Sprague
g9426181@mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA                                   Craig Burley
gjohnson@i2020.net                                             Gary D. Johnson
golden@physics.harvard.edu                                     Mitchell Golden
grader@lookout.ecte.uswc.uswest.com                            Grant Ray Rader
graham@cs.washington.edu                                        Stephen Graham
grognard@world.std.com                                           Allen R Rines
groo@netcom.com                                                    Kiran Wagle
gwb@umd5.umd.edu                                                  George Baltz
H.Reusch@ieee.org                                                Holger Reusch
HARVEY@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU                                          James Harvey
hsyd@telerama.lm.com                                                   Pitt500
JamesR7812@aol.com                                               James T. Rice
jan@bagend.atl.ga.us                                                 Jan Isley
jbanes@garnet.acns.fsu.edu                                           Jim Banes
jdcoates@cintech.com                                      John Coates, CINTECH
jdfalk@cais.cais.com                                                 J.D. Falk
jenkins@metech.me.scarolina.edu                              Robert S. Jenkins
jfepperson@aol.com                                                  Jfepperson
jfurr@acpub.duke.edu                                              Joel K. Furr
jhanson@cs.wisc.edu                                               Jason Hanson
jholli@maroon.tc.umn.edu                              jholli@maroon.tc.umn.edu
Jim_Mann@transarc.com                                                 Jim Mann
jj51@umail.umd.edu                                                Jeff Janoska
jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU                                              John McCarthy
jmsimer@husc.harvard.edu
John.Henderson@um.cc.umich.edu                                  John Henderson
john@vetchfield.win-uk.net                                         John E Wynn
johnson@ccrs.emr.ca                                                Ron Johnson
jonboy@io.org                                                           Jonboy
joney@iac.net                                                       James Oney
jpoulin@mv.MV.COM                                                   Jim Poulin
jquinton@cs1.presby.edu                                           Jeff Quinton
jrboeke@max.tiac.net                                           Joseph R. Boeke
jspicer@indirect.com                                                Jim Spicer
jssmith@olivet.edu                                                  Josh Smith
jwuste@diomede.win-uk.net                                        John Wusteman
ken@animal.csd.sc.edu                                            Ken Sallenger
kjmalla@isscad.com                                                 Ken Mallard
ladue@acsu.buffalo.edu                                          Grant A. LaDue
lance@rahul.net                                                  Lance K. Chun
langfml@Eng.Auburn.EDU                                     Matthew L. Langford
lantzr@physio-control.com                                        Lantz Rowland
lerat@socketis.net                                                Rolf W. Laun
list-votes@dream.hb.north.de                                  Martin Schr"oder
ljewell@expert.cc.purdue.edu                                   Larry W. Jewell
lynnberk@ix.netcom.com                                          Lynn Berkowitz
matt@ukonline.co.uk                                               Matt Kelland
MEpst29623@aol.com                                                 Mal Epstein
Michelle.Mader@lerc.nasa.gov                                    Michelle Mader
mike.wade@upeople.com                                                Mike Wade
MikeMaben@law.indiana.edu                                        Michael Maben
morten.clausen@dkb.dk                                           MORTEN CLAUSEN
moss@bastille.cchem.berkeley.edu                                 David Maurice
mox@vpnet.chi.il.us                                             William Moxley
mpitcava@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu                             Mark Pitcavage
mserafin@freenet.scri.fsu.edu                                     Mark Serafin
mughal@alumni.caltech.edu                                          Asim Mughal
ndallen@io.org                                                     Nigel Allen
newa@clpgh.org                                                        Anne New
nicol@netcom.com                                                Art Nicolaysen
Ollivier.Robert@hsc.fr.net                                     Ollivier Robert
pa79th@aol.com                                                          PA79th
pes@banshee.camb.inmet.com                                       Paul Slonaker
QVHD61A@prodigy.com                                         MR DAVID G ALVAREZ
radrayer@panix.com                                              Rebecca Drayer
rascal@cpcn.com                                                Brendan O'Neill
rayh@uidaho.edu                                                     Ray Horton
reppri@uh2212p02.daytonoh.ATTGIS.COM                             Repp, Richard
rick@bcm.tmc.edu                                             Richard H. Miller
RickNCMA@aol.com
rklear@Census.GOV                                            Randy Klear (DMD)
rosebear@bga.com                                                      RoseBear
rozking@umich.edu                                        Rosalind Mackraz King
rp94bx@badger.ac.BrockU.CA                                      Chuck Pinnegar
rparson@spot.Colorado.EDU                                        Robert Parson
rufinus@mbe.ece.wisc.edu                                       Jeffrey Rufinus
SAGRIESE@freh-01.adpc.purdue.edu
schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov                                 Paul J. Schinder
schulz@informatik.tu-muenchen.de                                Stephan Schulz
scottbru@aol.com                                                      Scottbru
sebrown@prairienet.org                                        Stephen E. Brown
siniscal@east.gssc.com                                         MikeSiniscalchi
spencer@panix.com                                                David Spencer
spf@hoqst1.att.com                                             Steve Frysinger
ssonleiter@symantec.com                                        Steve Sonleiter
steinjr@oslonett.no                                            Stein J. Rypern
steve.hall@almac.co.uk                                              STEVE HALL
taf2@po.CWRU.Edu                                              Todd A. Farmerie
tenzil@io.com                                                      James Kiley
thaddeus@indy.net                                            thaddeus@indy.net
thhoover@grail.cba.csuohio.edu                                   thomas hoover
tim@tacsoft.win-uk.net                                              Tim Couper
tmarshal@rwd.goucher.edu                                          Tim Marshall
TNG%SWTX2@swt.edu                                                    Tom Greer
twells@netcom.com                                               Tabor J. Wells
twpierce@midway.uchicago.edu                                        Tim Pierce
videogod@creighton.edu                                             Rod Fischer
W.Taylor@math.canterbury.ac.nz                                     Bill Taylor
WARDWH@conrad.appstate.edu                                         Wilber Ward
wcarroll@encore.com                                            William Carroll
wickre@iastate.edu
WORRILL_F@dep.state.fl.us            Fred Worrill TAL 904/921-9755 or 488-0892
wroberts@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu                         William H. Roberts

Voted No
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76004.3261@CompuServe.COM                                     Brian Blakistone
afabbro@umich.edu
ahm@sashimi.wwa.com                                        Andrew H. Marrinson
ananda@cs.utexas.edu                                             Ananda M. Kar
Anthony.Staunton@pcug.org.au                                  Anthony Staunton
balaji@nexus.yorku.ca                                                   Balaji
BATSONSMB@gvltec.gvltec.edu
bcomarow@bb.iu.net                                                 Bob Comarow
csaamw@urc.tue.nl                                               Michiel Wijers
DAKearns@aol.com                                                  David Kearns
dmaggard@access.digex.net                                       Dennis Maggard
draziw@netcom.com                                                         Ryan
EFRANK@admin2.memphis.edu
egarbos@sanders.com                                                Eric Garbos
ericm@kentek.com                                                    Eric Meyer
fejesp@primenet.com                                                Peter Fejes
joevonr@ix.netcom.com
john@jlc.net                                                       John Leslie
jrm@globalvillag.com                                     John R. MacWilliamson
jt3p+@andrew.cmu.edu                                               John Thorpe
kirk@seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov                                         Robert Kirk
nick@inferno.fc.hp.com                                          Nick Ingegneri
orc@pell.com                                                     david parsons
patl@lcs.mit.edu                                           Patrick J. LoPresti
Peter.Gugerell@inmedias.ping.at
ptbast@owl.WPI.EDU                                                Pete Bastien
rdclark@lainet.com                                              Ralph D. Clark
schmidsj@unvax.union.edu                                       Stephen Schmidt
shields@tembel.org                                             Michael Shields
smarry@turing.toronto.edu                                         Smarasderagd
stainles@bga.com                                                  Dwight Brown
teasley@chuma.cas.usf.edu                                  Linda Teasley (ENG)
techint@winternet.com                            Technical Intelligence-MN-USA
TSandke@aol.com
turrell@violet.berkeley.edu                                      David Turrell
uid@ornl.gov                                                      John Q. User
widenius@cc.helsinki.fi                                         Risto Widenius

Abstained
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crouchkp@flidh101.delcoelect.com                              Kenneth P Crouch
jadmire@netcom.com                                            Joseph A. Admire
mmt@RedBrick.COM                                          M Mike Taksar KC6ZPS


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   ! No vote statement in message
dew@lightnin.brevard.edu                                          Dave Wetmore
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indian@Rt66.com                                                    Jeff Slaton
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