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From [email protected] Fri Nov 25 17:46:36 1994
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From: [email protected] (Brian Ross)
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Subject: RFD: soc.history.war.vietnam
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Request for Discussion: soc.history.war.vietnam
Proposal for a new newsgroup

By: Brian Ross ([email protected])
-----------------------------------

Group name:     	soc.history.war.vietnam
Status:         	moderated
Suggested Moderator:	"John R. Tegtmeier" <[email protected]>
Distribution:   	world-wide
Summary:        	a newsgroup for the discussion of the Vietnam war(s),
			their aftermath, and their effects.

Justification:

	Vietnam was a war that traumatised and changed a generation 
around the world.  In those countries that fought there and those 
which looked on as the nations of Indochina were consumed both 
during the war and after, the effects have been long lasting and
extensive.

	Such a war needs objective discussion to understand the 
effects that it has had on its participants and the societies from 
which they came, as well as how it affected world-wide events, 
politics and people.
	
	Currently, the only newsgroup specifically devoted to discussion
of the Vietnam War(s), their aftermath and their effects, alt.war.vietnam
has become dominated by a few people who have become only too willing 
to allow the discussion to devolve into useless flame and insult.  
This has prevented any objective discussion of the subject and 
forced many otherwise willing contributors to abandon the newsgroup 
entirely.  It is hoped that the new newsgroup will overcome this 
problem by the use of a moderator whom will screen all posts for 
flames and gratitious insults.

	In addition, by lifting the newsgroup out of the alt. heirachy
into the more widely distributed soc. one, a wider readership will be
reached and more contributions will be made by interested parties with
more varied opinions.

Charter:

        The proposed group will provide a forum for the objective
discussion of the Vietnam and Indochinese war, their aftermath and 
their effect on the people and societies which took part in them.  The
moderator will solely ensure that useless flamage and insults are 
avoided by contributors. 


NOTE

This RFD is being issued in concordance with the guidelines set in the
"How to create a new usenet newsgroup" FAQ regularly posted to
news.announce.newgroups. Please refer to this article if you have any
questions about the newsgroup creation.

Unless the discussion indicates a need to resubmit a new RFD, the CFV will
be posted approximately three to four weeks after the posting of this RFD.

This RFD was (cross)-posted to the following groups:

news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.war.vietnam,soc.veterans,
soc.culture.vietnam,soc.culture.cambodia,soc.culture.laos,
soc.history,soc.history.war.misc,soc.culture.australian

-- 
Brian [email protected]________________________________________
	"If you've lain in a lonely hotel in America with a remote control in
your hand and picked your way with the zapper through the swamp [of pay TV],
you've found out what a cultural desert is." - Clive James____________________

From [email protected] Fri Dec 16 12:51:50 1994
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From: [email protected] (Brian Ross)
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Subject: RFD: soc.history.war.vietnam moderated
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	This is a revised charter which lays out the resposibilities and 
rules regarding rejection of unacceptable posts for the moderator(s) much 
more fully than previous versions have.  The older version of the Charter 
has been appended at the end of this RFD for comparison purposes.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Request for Discussion: soc.history.war.vietnam
Proposal for a new newsgroup


By: Brian Ross ([email protected]) &
    John R. Tegtmeier <[email protected]>

Group name:           soc.history.war.vietnam
Status:               moderated
Suggested Moderators: "John R. Tegtmeier" <[email protected]>
       Co-moderators: "Richard Rohde"<[email protected]>
                         "Brian Ross" <[email protected]>
Distribution:         world-wide
Summary:              a newsgroup for the discussion of the Vietnam
               war(s), their causes, effects, and aftermath.

Justification:

     The wars in Vietnam traumatised and changed a generation around
the world.  In those countries that fought there and those which
looked on as the nations of Indochina were consumed both during the
war and after, the effects have been long lasting and extensive.

     Such a war needs objective discussion to understand the effects
that it has had on its participants and the societies from which they
came, as well as how it affected world-wide events, politics and
people.

     It is believed that a moderated format, that is, one where
personal insults and attacks are elimanated, will serve to create an
environment in which all may post without intimidation and reluctance. 
The goal of the moderating process is to create a newsgroup that will
promote discourse and perhaps some understanding. To this end, the
moderation process, as stated below, has been limited to the removal
of these personal insults and unrelated material.  Potenial posts will
not be screened for either merit or ideological content, in order to
ensure the widest possible access to the newsgroup.

     In addition, by placing the newsgroup in the widely distributed
soc. heirachy , a wider readership may be reached and more
contributions will be made by interested parties with more varied
opinions.

     Currently, the only newsgroup specifically devoted to discussion
of the Vietnam War, alt.war.vietnam, is not moderated, and it is
subject to the some of the negative conditions outlined above.


Charter:

1. Aim & Purpose of Soc.History.War.Vietnam

    This newsgroup will provide an open forum for the objective
discussion of the Vietnam and Indochinese wars, their causes,
aftermath, and effect on the people and societies which took part in
them.  The use of a moderator is intended to provide an environment
that is conducive to this discussion, and open to all categories of
potential readers/ contributors - academics, veterans, members of the
anti-war movement, students, and anyone else with an interest -
without regard to ideological or political positions.

     The wars in Vietnam and Indochina in the middle of the twentieth
century not only bred armed conflict between combatants, but also
divisiveness and social conflict within the societies of some of the
participicants in the conflicts.  In the United States, some believe
that the war has transcended its historical moment to become a culture
icon for the turbulence of the sixties.  At any rate, there still
exists a great desparity in the understandings of the social,
political and historic circumstances of the war, and its continued
influence on various societies.  Soc.history.war.vietnam will seek to
promote a discourse which will allow these positions to be explored. 
Perhaps, in this way, the newsgroup may be instrumental in achieving a
better understanding of the events, and may even assist in the process
of healing. 


2. The Function of the Moderators

     This newsgroup shall have an active moderator, and at least two
co-moderators.  It shall be the responsibility of the active moderator
to screen postings to the newsgroup, and elimante those which are: a.
flames, insults and attacks directed at a person rather than a
position; b. flames that use derogatory labels to depict whole
categories of people, such as veterans or members of the anti-war
movement, etc.; c. articles that have no connection to the Vietnam or
Indochina wars, their causes, effects or aftermath; and d. any message
of a commercial nature.  The active moderator may not screen postings
for merit of argument, nor for their political or ideological content.
All articles that are rejected will be sent back to the contributor
with a short message explaning the reason for rejection.  Such
rejections may be appealed as outlined below.

     The co-moderators serve in a back-up capacity, so as to insure
continuity during either a temporary or permanent change in the status
of the active moderator.  In addition, the co-moderators will have the
responsibility, along with the active moderator, for voting on appeals
of rejected posts, the appointment of new moderators, and the possible
removal of a current moderator as outlined below.


3.  Appeal of Rejection of Posts

     If a contributor whose post has been rejected wishes to appeal
this action, the current active moderator will forward this request
and the post in question to all co-moderators for a vote.  If the
majority of all moderators votes to overrule the rejection, the
article will be sent to the newsgroup.  If the post is rejected, the
person appealling the rejection will be sent a summary of the votes by
the moderators.


4.  Appointment of New Moderators

        New co-moderators will be appointed as necessary through the
nomination of an individual by the other moderators. The appointment
will require a unanimous vote of the current moderators to pass. The
new co-moderator's name will then be submitted to the newsgroup for a
five day discussion period.  During these five days, any of the
current moderators may change their vote in response to this
discussion.  At the end of the five days, if all the moderators are
still in agreement, the nominee becomes a co-moderator.


5.  Removal of a Moderator

        A moderator may be removed for the following causes: a.
failure to perform the outlined duties of the position, 2. a pattern
of biased or discriminatory rejections of postings.  Such removal will
be made by the formal vote of all current moderators. A 2/3rds vote in
favor of such action will be required for removal. The reasons for,
and results of, all such votes will be posted to the newsgroup.


6. FAQ

     The moderators, as a group, will be responsible for the
development and posting of a frequently asked question (FAQ) file for
this newsgroup.


7.  Posting of Charter and Moderators List

        This charter will be reposted, along with the list of current
moderators to the newsgroup every month.

NOTE

This RFD is being issued in concordance with the guidelines set in the
"How to create a new usenet newsgroup" FAQ regularly posted to
news.announce.newgroups. Please refer to this article if you have any
questions about the newsgroup creation.

Unless the discussion indicates a need to resubmit a new RFD, the CFV
will be posted approximately three to four weeks after the posting of
this RFD.

This RFD was (cross)-posted to the following groups:

news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.war.vietnam,soc.veterans,
soc.culture.vietnamese,soc.culture.cambodia,soc.culture.laos,
soc.history,soc.history.war.misc,alt.war.

================

Previous version of charter:

1. Aim & Purpose of Soc.History.War.Vietnam

        The proposed group will provide a forum for the objective
discussion of the Vietnam and Indochinese war, their aftermath and 
their effect on the people and societies which took part in them.  The
moderator(s) will; (a) ensure that useless flamage and insults are 
avoided by contributors and (b) check each post that it is appropriate to
the charter of the newsgroup. 

2.  Rejection of Posts

        There will be an appeal process for rejected posts.  If a
person whose post has been rejected wishes to appeal, the current
active moderator should forward the post to all co-moderators for
a vote.  If the majority of all moderators votes to overrule,
then that post is sent to the newsgroup.  If the post is rejected,
the person appealling the rejection will be sent a summary of the 
votes by the moderators and a brief note explaining the reason for 
the rejection.

3.  Appointment of New Moderators

        New co-moderators will be appointed as necessary through
the nomination of an individual by the other moderators.  The 
appointment will require a unanimous vote of the current moderators.
The new co-moderator's name will be submitted to the newsgroup for a 
five day discussion period.  During these five days, any of the 
current moderators may change their vote in response to this 
discussion.  At the end of the five days, if all the moderators 
are still in agreement, the nominee becomes a co-moderator.

4.  Removal of a Moderator

        A moderator can be removed by a vote of 2/3rds of the current
moderators.

5.  Posting of Charter

        This charter will be reposted, along with the list of current
moderators to the newsgroup every fortnight (2 weeks).
-- 
Brian [email protected]________________________________________
	"If you've lain in a lonely hotel in America with a remote control in
your hand and picked your way with the zapper through the swamp [of pay TV],
you've found out what a cultural desert is." - Clive James____________________

From [email protected] Sun Feb 12 22:48:05 1995
Status: RO
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: Brian Ross <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.war.vietnam,soc.veterans,soc.culture.vietnamese,soc.culture.cambodia,soc.culture.laos,soc.history,soc.history.war.misc,alt.war
Subject: 2nd RFD: soc.history.war.vietnam moderated
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                        REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION

soc.history.war.vietnam(Moderated) Intended to cover the Vietnam War.

Contact People: Brian Ross ([email protected])
                John R. Tegtmeier <[email protected]>

This RFD was (cross)-posted to the following groups:
news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.war.vietnam,soc.veterans,
soc.culture.vietnamese,soc.culture.cambodia,soc.culture.laos,
soc.history,soc.history.war.misc,alt.war.

Suggested Moderators:    "John R. Tegtmeier" <[email protected]>
          Co-moderators: "Richard Rohde"<[email protected]>
                         "Brian Ross" <[email protected]>
Distribution:       world-wide

                -----------------------------------

Justification:

     The wars in Vietnam traumatised and changed a generation around
the world.  In those countries that fought there and those which
looked on as the nations of Indochina were consumed both during the
war and after, the effects have been long lasting and extensive.

     Such a war needs objective discussion to understand the effects
that it has had on its participants and the societies from which they
came, as well as how it affected world-wide events, politics and
people.

     It is believed that a moderated format, that is, one where
personal insults and attacks are elimanated, will serve to create an
environment in which all may post without intimidation and reluctance.
The goal of the moderating process is to create a newsgroup that will
promote discourse and perhaps some understanding. To this end, the
moderation process, as stated below, has been limited to the removal
of these personal insults and unrelated material.  Potenial posts will
not be screened for either merit or ideological content, in order to
ensure the widest possible access to the newsgroup.

     In addition, by placing the newsgroup in the widely distributed
soc. heirachy , a wider readership may be reached and more
contributions will be made by interested parties with more varied
opinions.

     Currently, the only newsgroup specifically devoted to discussion
of the Vietnam War, alt.war.vietnam, is not moderated, and it is
subject to the some of the negative conditions outlined above.


Charter:

1. Aim & Purpose of Soc.History.War.Vietnam

    This newsgroup will provide an open forum for the objective
discussion of the Vietnam and Indochinese wars, their causes,
aftermath, and effect on the people and societies which took part in
them.  The use of a moderator is intended to provide an environment
that is conducive to this discussion, and open to all categories of
potential readers/ contributors - academics, veterans, members of the
anti-war movement, students, and anyone else with an interest -
without regard to ideological or political positions.

     The wars in Vietnam and Indochina in the middle of the twentieth
century not only bred armed conflict between combatants, but also
divisiveness and social conflict within the societies of some of the
participicants in the conflicts.  In the United States, some believe
that the war has transcended its historical moment to become a culture
icon for the turbulence of the sixties.  At any rate, there still
exists a great desparity in the understandings of the social,
political and historic circumstances of the war, and its continued
influence on various societies.  Soc.history.war.vietnam will seek to
promote a discourse which will allow these positions to be explored.
Perhaps, in this way, the newsgroup may be instrumental in achieving a
better understanding of the events, and may even assist in the process
of healing.


2. The Function of the Moderators

     This newsgroup shall have an active moderator, and at least two
co-moderators.  It shall be the responsibility of the active moderator
to screen postings to the newsgroup, and elimante those which are: a.
flames, insults and attacks directed at a person rather than a
position; b. flames that use derogatory labels to depict whole
categories of people, such as veterans or members of the anti-war
movement, etc.; c. articles that have no connection to the Vietnam or
Indochina wars, their causes, effects or aftermath; and d. any message
of a commercial nature.  The active moderator may not screen postings
for merit of argument, nor for their political or ideological content.
All articles that are rejected will be sent back to the contributor
with a short message explaning the reason for rejection.  Such
rejections may be appealed as outlined below.

     The co-moderators serve in a back-up capacity, so as to insure
continuity during either a temporary or permanent change in the status
of the active moderator.  In addition, the co-moderators will have the
responsibility, along with the active moderator, for voting on appeals
of rejected posts, the appointment of new moderators, and the possible
removal of a current moderator as outlined below.


3.  Appeal of Rejection of Posts

     If a contributor whose post has been rejected wishes to appeal
this action, the current active moderator will forward this request
and the post in question to all co-moderators for a vote.  If the
majority of all moderators votes to overrule the rejection, the
article will be sent to the newsgroup.  If the post is rejected, the
person appealling the rejection will be sent a summary of the votes by
the moderators.


4.  Appointment of New Moderators

        New co-moderators will be appointed as necessary through the
nomination of an individual by the other moderators. The appointment
will require a unanimous vote of the current moderators to pass. The
new co-moderator's name will then be submitted to the newsgroup for a
five day discussion period.  During these five days, any of the
current moderators may change their vote in response to this
discussion.  At the end of the five days, if all the moderators are
still in agreement, the nominee becomes a co-moderator.


5.  Removal of a Moderator

        A moderator may be removed for the following causes: a.
failure to perform the outlined duties of the position, 2. a pattern
of biased or discriminatory rejections of postings.  Such removal will
be made by the formal vote of all current moderators. A 2/3rds vote in
favor of such action will be required for removal. The reasons for,
and results of, all such votes will be posted to the newsgroup.


6. FAQ

     The moderators, as a group, will be responsible for the
development and posting of a frequently asked question (FAQ) file for
this newsgroup.


7.  Posting of Charter and Moderators List

        This charter will be reposted, along with the list of current
moderators to the newsgroup every month.

From [email protected] Fri Apr  7 14:54:56 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Warren Lavallee)
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Subject: CFV: soc.history.war.vietnam moderated
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                          FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                   moderated group soc.history.war.vietnam

Newsgroups line:
soc.history.war.vietnam	The Vietnam War. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 28 April 1995.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact Warren Lavallee <[email protected]>.  For
questions about the proposed group contact Brian Ross
<[email protected]>.

DISTRIBUTION

This CFV has been cross-posted to:
  alt.war.vietnam, soc.veterans, soc.culture.vietnamese, soc.culture.cambodia,
  soc.culture.laos, soc.history, soc.history.war.misc, alt.war

CHARTER

1. Aim & Purpose of Soc.History.War.Vietnam

    This newsgroup will provide an open forum for the objective
discussion of the Vietnam and Indochinese wars, their causes,
aftermath, and effect on the people and societies which took part in
them.  The use of a moderator is intended to provide an environment
that is conducive to this discussion, and open to all categories of
potential readers/ contributors - academics, veterans, members of the
anti-war movement, students, and anyone else with an interest -
without regard to ideological or political positions.

     The wars in Vietnam and Indochina in the middle of the twentieth
century not only bred armed conflict between combatants, but also
divisiveness and social conflict within the societies of some of the
participicants in the conflicts.  In the United States, some believe
that the war has transcended its historical moment to become a culture
icon for the turbulence of the sixties.  At any rate, there still
exists a great desparity in the understandings of the social,
political and historic circumstances of the war, and its continued
influence on various societies.  Soc.history.war.vietnam will seek to
promote a discourse which will allow these positions to be explored.
Perhaps, in this way, the newsgroup may be instrumental in achieving a
better understanding of the events, and may even assist in the process
of healing.

2. The Function of the Moderators

     This newsgroup shall have an active moderator, and at least two
co-moderators.  It shall be the responsibility of the active moderator
to screen postings to the newsgroup, and elimante those which are: a.
flames, insults and attacks directed at a person rather than a
position; b. flames that use derogatory labels to depict whole
categories of people, such as veterans or members of the anti-war
movement, etc.; c. articles that have no connection to the Vietnam or
Indochina wars, their causes, effects or aftermath; and d. any message
of a commercial nature.  The active moderator may not screen postings
for merit of argument, nor for their political or ideological content.
All articles that are rejected will be sent back to the contributor
with a short message explaning the reason for rejection.  Such
rejections may be appealed as outlined below.

     The co-moderators serve in a back-up capacity, so as to insure
continuity during either a temporary or permanent change in the status
of the active moderator.  In addition, the co-moderators will have the
responsibility, along with the active moderator, for voting on appeals
of rejected posts, the appointment of new moderators, and the possible
removal of a current moderator as outlined below.

3.  Appeal of Rejection of Posts

     If a contributor whose post has been rejected wishes to appeal
this action, the current active moderator will forward this request
and the post in question to all co-moderators for a vote.  If the
majority of all moderators votes to overrule the rejection, the
article will be sent to the newsgroup.  If the post is rejected, the
person appealling the rejection will be sent a summary of the votes by
the moderators.

4.  Appointment of New Moderators

        New co-moderators will be appointed as necessary through the
nomination of an individual by the other moderators. The appointment
will require a unanimous vote of the current moderators to pass. The
new co-moderator's name will then be submitted to the newsgroup for a
five day discussion period.  During these five days, any of the
current moderators may change their vote in response to this
discussion.  At the end of the five days, if all the moderators are
still in agreement, the nominee becomes a co-moderator.

5.  Removal of a Moderator

        A moderator may be removed for the following causes: a.
failure to perform the outlined duties of the position, 2. a pattern
of biased or discriminatory rejections of postings.  Such removal will
be made by the formal vote of all current moderators. A 2/3rds vote in
favor of such action will be required for removal. The reasons for,
and results of, all such votes will be posted to the newsgroup.

6. FAQ

     The moderators, as a group, will be responsible for the
development and posting of a frequently asked question (FAQ) file for
this newsgroup.

7.  Posting of Charter and Moderators List

        This charter will be reposted, along with the list of current
moderators to the newsgroup every month.

JUSTIFICATION

     The wars in Vietnam traumatised and changed a generation around
the world.  In those countries that fought there and those which
looked on as the nations of Indochina were consumed both during the
war and after, the effects have been long lasting and extensive.

     Such a war needs objective discussion to understand the effects
that it has had on its participants and the societies from which they
came, as well as how it affected world-wide events, politics and
people.

     It is believed that a moderated format, that is, one where
personal insults and attacks are elimanated, will serve to create an
environment in which all may post without intimidation and reluctance.
The goal of the moderating process is to create a newsgroup that will
promote discourse and perhaps some understanding. To this end, the
moderation process, as stated below, has been limited to the removal
of these personal insults and unrelated material.  Potenial posts will
not be screened for either merit or ideological content, in order to
ensure the widest possible access to the newsgroup.

     In addition, by placing the newsgroup in the widely distributed
soc. heirachy , a wider readership may be reached and more
contributions will be made by interested parties with more varied
opinions.

     Currently, the only newsgroup specifically devoted to discussion
of the Vietnam War, alt.war.vietnam, is not moderated, and it is
subject to the some of the negative conditions outlined above.

Suggested Moderators:    "John R. Tegtmeier" <[email protected]>
          Co-moderators: "Richard Rohde"<[email protected]>
                         "Brian Ross" <[email protected]>

HOW TO VOTE

Send MAIL to:   [email protected]
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.

Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:
      I vote YES on soc.history.war.vietnam
      I vote NO on soc.history.war.vietnam
      I vote ABSTAIN on soc.history.war.vietnam
      I CANCEL my vote on soc.history.war.vietnam

Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve
only to cancel any previous vote. Abstentions are noted in the final
vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely.
(This is the only difference between the two.)

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From [email protected] Tue Apr 18 22:43:13 1995
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                          LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                   moderated group soc.history.war.vietnam

Newsgroups line:
soc.history.war.vietnam The Vietnam War. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 28 April 1995.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact Warren Lavallee <[email protected]>.  For
questions about the proposed group contact Brian Ross
<[email protected]>.

DISTRIBUTION

This CFV has been cross-posted to:
        alt.war.vietnam
        soc.veterans
        soc.culture.vietnamese
        soc.culture.cambodia
        soc.culture.laos
        soc.history
        soc.history.war.misc
        alt.war

CHARTER

1. Aim & Purpose of Soc.History.War.Vietnam

    This newsgroup will provide an open forum for the objective
discussion of the Vietnam and Indochinese wars, their causes,
aftermath, and effect on the people and societies which took part in
them.  The use of a moderator is intended to provide an environment
that is conducive to this discussion, and open to all categories of
potential readers/ contributors - academics, veterans, members of the
anti-war movement, students, and anyone else with an interest -
without regard to ideological or political positions.

     The wars in Vietnam and Indochina in the middle of the twentieth
century not only bred armed conflict between combatants, but also
divisiveness and social conflict within the societies of some of the
participicants in the conflicts.  In the United States, some believe
that the war has transcended its historical moment to become a culture
icon for the turbulence of the sixties.  At any rate, there still
exists a great desparity in the understandings of the social,
political and historic circumstances of the war, and its continued
influence on various societies.  Soc.history.war.vietnam will seek to
promote a discourse which will allow these positions to be explored.
Perhaps, in this way, the newsgroup may be instrumental in achieving a
better understanding of the events, and may even assist in the process
of healing.

2. The Function of the Moderators

     This newsgroup shall have an active moderator, and at least two
co-moderators.  It shall be the responsibility of the active moderator
to screen postings to the newsgroup, and elimante those which are: a.
flames, insults and attacks directed at a person rather than a
position; b. flames that use derogatory labels to depict whole
categories of people, such as veterans or members of the anti-war
movement, etc.; c. articles that have no connection to the Vietnam or
Indochina wars, their causes, effects or aftermath; and d. any message
of a commercial nature.  The active moderator may not screen postings
for merit of argument, nor for their political or ideological content.
All articles that are rejected will be sent back to the contributor
with a short message explaning the reason for rejection.  Such
rejections may be appealed as outlined below.

     The co-moderators serve in a back-up capacity, so as to insure
continuity during either a temporary or permanent change in the status
of the active moderator.  In addition, the co-moderators will have the
responsibility, along with the active moderator, for voting on appeals
of rejected posts, the appointment of new moderators, and the possible
removal of a current moderator as outlined below.

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     If a contributor whose post has been rejected wishes to appeal
this action, the current active moderator will forward this request
and the post in question to all co-moderators for a vote.  If the
majority of all moderators votes to overrule the rejection, the
article will be sent to the newsgroup.  If the post is rejected, the
person appealling the rejection will be sent a summary of the votes by
the moderators.

4.  Appointment of New Moderators

        New co-moderators will be appointed as necessary through the
nomination of an individual by the other moderators. The appointment
will require a unanimous vote of the current moderators to pass. The
new co-moderator's name will then be submitted to the newsgroup for a
five day discussion period.  During these five days, any of the
current moderators may change their vote in response to this
discussion.  At the end of the five days, if all the moderators are
still in agreement, the nominee becomes a co-moderator.

5.  Removal of a Moderator

        A moderator may be removed for the following causes: a.
failure to perform the outlined duties of the position, 2. a pattern
of biased or discriminatory rejections of postings.  Such removal will
be made by the formal vote of all current moderators. A 2/3rds vote in
favor of such action will be required for removal. The reasons for,
and results of, all such votes will be posted to the newsgroup.

6. FAQ

     The moderators, as a group, will be responsible for the
development and posting of a frequently asked question (FAQ) file for
this newsgroup.

7.  Posting of Charter and Moderators List

        This charter will be reposted, along with the list of current
moderators to the newsgroup every month.

JUSTIFICATION

     The wars in Vietnam traumatised and changed a generation around
the world.  In those countries that fought there and those which
looked on as the nations of Indochina were consumed both during the
war and after, the effects have been long lasting and extensive.

     Such a war needs objective discussion to understand the effects
that it has had on its participants and the societies from which they
came, as well as how it affected world-wide events, politics and
people.

     It is believed that a moderated format, that is, one where
personal insults and attacks are elimanated, will serve to create an
environment in which all may post without intimidation and reluctance.
The goal of the moderating process is to create a newsgroup that will
promote discourse and perhaps some understanding. To this end, the
moderation process, as stated below, has been limited to the removal
of these personal insults and unrelated material.  Potenial posts will
not be screened for either merit or ideological content, in order to
ensure the widest possible access to the newsgroup.

     In addition, by placing the newsgroup in the widely distributed
soc. heirachy , a wider readership may be reached and more
contributions will be made by interested parties with more varied
opinions.

     Currently, the only newsgroup specifically devoted to discussion
of the Vietnam War, alt.war.vietnam, is not moderated, and it is
subject to the some of the negative conditions outlined above.

Suggested Moderators:    "John R. Tegtmeier" <[email protected]>
          Co-moderators: "Richard Rohde"<[email protected]>
                         "Brian Ross" <[email protected]>

HOW TO VOTE

Send MAIL to:   [email protected]
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.

Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:
      I vote YES on soc.history.war.vietnam
      I vote NO on soc.history.war.vietnam
      I vote ABSTAIN on soc.history.war.vietnam
      I CANCEL my vote on soc.history.war.vietnam

Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve
only to cancel any previous vote. Abstentions are noted in the final
vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely.
(This is the only difference between the two.)

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votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
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vote will count.

Standard Guidelines for voting apply: no more than one vote per person,
no more than one vote per account. If you attempt multiple votes or
other vote fraud, all your votes may be canceled and your name published.

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how each person voted. Note that Usenet votes are not done by secret
ballot.

There will then be a five-day period during which the published vote
list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed. The
requirements for group creation are 100 more YES votes than NO votes,
and 2/3 of all counted votes being YES.

From [email protected] Mon May  1 18:24:21 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Warren Lavallee)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.war.vietnam,soc.veterans,soc.culture.vietnamese,soc.culture.cambodia,soc.culture.laos,soc.history,soc.history.war.misc,alt.war
Subject: RESULT: soc.history.war.vietnam passes 190:35
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                                RESULT
        moderated group soc.history.war.vietnam passes 190:35

 Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
 190   35 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : soc.history.war.vietnam
   2 abstaining votes and 3 invalid votes

  soc.history.war.vietnam passed on Thu Apr 20 10:50:52 1995

For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES
and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO
votes.

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the
moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the passed group(s)
shortly thereafter.

Newsgroups Line
soc.history.war.vietnam The Vietnam War. (Moderated)


CHARTER

1. Aim & Purpose of Soc.History.War.Vietnam

    This newsgroup will provide an open forum for the objective
discussion of the Vietnam and Indochinese wars, their causes,
aftermath, and effect on the people and societies which took part in
them.  The use of a moderator is intended to provide an environment
that is conducive to this discussion, and open to all categories of
potential readers/ contributors - academics, veterans, members of the
anti-war movement, students, and anyone else with an interest -
without regard to ideological or political positions.

     The wars in Vietnam and Indochina in the middle of the twentieth
century not only bred armed conflict between combatants, but also
divisiveness and social conflict within the societies of some of the
participicants in the conflicts.  In the United States, some believe
that the war has transcended its historical moment to become a culture
icon for the turbulence of the sixties.  At any rate, there still
exists a great desparity in the understandings of the social,
political and historic circumstances of the war, and its continued
influence on various societies.  Soc.history.war.vietnam will seek to
promote a discourse which will allow these positions to be explored.
Perhaps, in this way, the newsgroup may be instrumental in achieving a
better understanding of the events, and may even assist in the process
of healing.

2. The Function of the Moderators

     This newsgroup shall have an active moderator, and at least two
co-moderators.  It shall be the responsibility of the active moderator
to screen postings to the newsgroup, and elimante those which are: a.
flames, insults and attacks directed at a person rather than a
position; b. flames that use derogatory labels to depict whole
categories of people, such as veterans or members of the anti-war
movement, etc.; c. articles that have no connection to the Vietnam or
Indochina wars, their causes, effects or aftermath; and d. any message
of a commercial nature.  The active moderator may not screen postings
for merit of argument, nor for their political or ideological content.
All articles that are rejected will be sent back to the contributor
with a short message explaning the reason for rejection.  Such
rejections may be appealed as outlined below.

     The co-moderators serve in a back-up capacity, so as to insure
continuity during either a temporary or permanent change in the status
of the active moderator.  In addition, the co-moderators will have the
responsibility, along with the active moderator, for voting on appeals
of rejected posts, the appointment of new moderators, and the possible
removal of a current moderator as outlined below.

3.  Appeal of Rejection of Posts

     If a contributor whose post has been rejected wishes to appeal
this action, the current active moderator will forward this request
and the post in question to all co-moderators for a vote.  If the
majority of all moderators votes to overrule the rejection, the
article will be sent to the newsgroup.  If the post is rejected, the
person appealling the rejection will be sent a summary of the votes by
the moderators.

4.  Appointment of New Moderators

        New co-moderators will be appointed as necessary through the
nomination of an individual by the other moderators. The appointment
will require a unanimous vote of the current moderators to pass. The
new co-moderator's name will then be submitted to the newsgroup for a
five day discussion period.  During these five days, any of the
current moderators may change their vote in response to this
discussion.  At the end of the five days, if all the moderators are
still in agreement, the nominee becomes a co-moderator.

5.  Removal of a Moderator

        A moderator may be removed for the following causes: a.
failure to perform the outlined duties of the position, 2. a pattern
of biased or discriminatory rejections of postings.  Such removal will
be made by the formal vote of all current moderators. A 2/3rds vote in
favor of such action will be required for removal. The reasons for,
and results of, all such votes will be posted to the newsgroup.

6. FAQ

     The moderators, as a group, will be responsible for the
development and posting of a frequently asked question (FAQ) file for
this newsgroup.

7.  Posting of Charter and Moderators List

        This charter will be reposted, along with the list of current
moderators to the newsgroup every month.

Suggested Moderators:    "John R. Tegtmeier" <[email protected]>
          Co-moderators: "Richard Rohde"<[email protected]>
                         "Brian Ross" <[email protected]>


[This collection of addresses is (C)1995 by Consultix Computer Services.
Permission is strictly NOT given to use this list or any part thereof to
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soc.history.war.vietnam Final Vote Ack

Voted Yes
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[email protected]                                              Jessica.DeForest
[email protected]                                            Tom Jinks
[email protected]                                               Ben Chitty
[email protected]                                              Christian Sykes
[email protected]                                  Carole Giangrande
[email protected]
[email protected]                                    William N. Kieser
[email protected]
[email protected]                                                   Andy Kravetz
[email protected]                                       F Andrew McMichael
[email protected]                                               William A. Lupton
[email protected]                                           AnHai Doan
[email protected]                                                    Jim Ault
[email protected]                                     Keith Brown
[email protected]                                              Bengt Larsson
[email protected]
[email protected]                                                     Bob Peetz
[email protected]                                                   Bob McCormick
[email protected]                                                Eng Born
[email protected]                                               David W. Braun
[email protected]                                                  Brian
[email protected]                                             Raymond Bruder
[email protected]                                   Brian Swanhart (GEO-DFB)
[email protected]                                                 Bubbamike
[email protected]                                 Richard Gadsden
[email protected]                                            C. Douglas Baker
[email protected]                                   Frank Chance
[email protected]                                         W.R. Wells
[email protected]                                       Steve Clements
clstampe@mailbox.syr.edu                                         Chris Stamper
cnguyen@canon.com                                                 Cuong Nguyen
costanza@lanl.gov                                                John Costanza
DAA_GACIOCH@emuvax.emich.edu
dbracket@gateway.bsis.com                Daryl Brackett - Medaphis Development
dbs@christa.unh.edu                                              David B Sasse
dcharr@xnet.com
de@capella.cup.hp.com                                              Dan Epstein
defron@cs.umn.edu                                                 Daniel Efron
dgfritz@cat.syr.edu                                                 Doug Fritz
dinh@ssd.comm.mot.com                                                Hoan Dinh
dixon@DGS.dgsys.com                                                  Lee Dixon
dlaub@acs.bu.edu                                                   Daniel Laub
dmanzer@wimsey.com                                                 Doug Manzer
dmartin@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu                                    David Martin
dnguyen1@ix.netcom.com                                              Dan Nguyen
donovan@bnr.ca                                               marc (m.) donovan
drieux@wetware.com                                          drieux just drieux
EDRN@dlep1.itg.ti.com                                                 Lynnette
elmer@WPI.EDU                                                    Andrew Toppan
erwin@zen.et.tudelft.nl                                         E.C. Abrahamse
fdrisco@APG-9.APG.ARMY.MIL                                        Tim Driscoll
Fhrnht451@aol.com
FISHLM@SNYBUFAA.CS.SNYBUF.EDU                                       LYDIA FISH
franklig@aztec.asu.edu                                           GREG FRANKLIN
FURR@apollo.montclair.edu                                          GROVER FURR
gael@mail.utexas.edu                                            John W. Brokaw
gautamg@escape.com                                              Gautam Guliani
gjb@gba.oz.au                                                       Greg Black
gomad@indirect.com                                                  Steve Nirk
goodke@picksys.com                                               Kevin Gooding
gpaul2@ix.netcom.com                                             Paul Gregoire
GREGSUTTON@aol.com
groo@netcom.com                                                    Kiran Wagle
gt0670e@prism.gatech.edu                                Brennan Tennesen Price
hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu                               Robert A. Hayden
hth@reno.win.net                                             Helen Hegelheimer
i000370@disch3.disc.dla.mil                               martin j coghlan iii
IO20738@MAINE.MAINE.EDU                                       Brent Sutherland
ix48@jove.acs.unt.edu                                   George `Sonny' Hoffman
J.Thomas.Sykes@lawrence.edu                                        Dog Handler
Jack.Montgomery@quickmail.llnl.gov                             Jack Montgomery
jackm@cats.ucsc.edu                                               Jack Mallory
Jan.Dau@uni-muenster.de
Jan.Jacobsen@aorg.uib.no                                                  JANO
JFL1@OAS.PSU.EDU                                                   LYNCH.JAMES
jimmyn@VNET.IBM.COM
Jim_Mann@transarc.com
JLizotte@ix.netcom.com                                          Joseph Lizotte
jmaddox@neumann.une.edu.au                                     Jonathan Maddox
jmsimer@husc.harvard.edu                                          Joshua Simer
john.shakula@m.cc.utah.edu                                        john shakula
JohnT3@aol.com
jonathan@leland.stanford.edu                               Jonathan Schoenwald
jonboy@io.org                                                           Jonboy
JONESJB@conrad.appstate.edu
joseph@cis.ohio-state.edu                                        Sudish Joseph
jrbauer@iglou.com                                          Joseph R. Bauer Iii
jshay@world.std.com                                              Jonathan Shay
JUDEE%CFRVM@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu                                   Judee Strott
jww@spectre.prin.edu                                             John Williams
k.n.nguyen@ioks.uio.no                                       Khang Ngoc Nguyen
k1zat@bah.com                                                       JD Delancy
Kedd@aol.com
kelsey@pilot.njin.net                                               Ann KELSEY
kimketo@utu.fi                               Kimmo Ketolainen +358 40 500 2957
kitten@resp-sci.arizona.edu                                         Bruce Saul
kon@pilotk.msu.edu                                               Robert T. Kon
kyanh@caffeine.mlm.maxtor.COM                                      Ky-Anh Phan
L0000I60@macnet.cpa.state.tx.us                                   Wegner, Mike
L15D@ZFN.UNI-BREMEN.DE                                        Martin Schroeder
lefty@sccsi.com
lewisd@mail.utexas.edu                                          Lewis DiFelice
lrodrgz@free.org                                             Luis A. Rodriguez
lseng@meded.com.uci.edu                                             Lundi Seng
mapcky@uxmail.ust.hk
markl@easynet.co.uk                                               Mark Lanigan
martinez@omega.physik.fu-berlin.de                            Rodrigo Martinez
MCOOVER@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU                                      Mark Alan Coover
MGILBERT@nugget.ngc.peachnet.edu                               Marc J. Gilbert
mhagon@earth.execpc.com                                             Mike Hagon
mhatz@raven.phs.com                                                  Mike Hatz
mike@chimera.med.virginia.edu                                     Mike Chapman
mikeh@delta1.deltanet.com                                            Lerv\O\A
Mike_Qua@CC.UManitoba.CA
MISTEST@SYSA.ADM.DUKE.EDU
moss@bastille.cchem.berkeley.edu                                 David Maurice
mribotto@wingnut.foxnet.net                                       Mike Ribotto
msattler@jungle.com                             Michael Sattler, San Francisco
mstucka@orion.it.luc.edu                                           Mike Stucka
ndallen@io.org                                                     Nigel Allen
neeri@iis.ee.ethz.ch                                        Matthias Neeracher
neko@selway.umt.edu                                          Daniel J Sullivan
nkendall@paul.spu.edu                                 Nancy 'MotorOil' Kendall
nramanku@students.wisc.edu                                    Navin Ramankutty
nvo@asic.sc.ti.com                                                      Son Vo
oguss@rusun.cs.reitaku-u.ac.jp                                      Carl Oguss
Olaf.Husby@avh.unit.no
P.Metcalfe@cantva.canterbury.ac.nz                              Peter Metcalfe
paulc@teleport.com                                              paul d carrier
pcr@ic.net                                                           phil reed
Peter@wppltd.demon.co.uk                                           Peter Parry
phan@husc.harvard.edu
PHILG@KSUVM.KSU.EDU                                 Phil Gerdes  K-State Univ.
pimentel@roots.ultranet.com                                      John Pimentel
plaf@Boston.Research.Panasonic.COM                             Paul Laferriere
provo@rusun.cs.reitaku-u.ac.jp                                      John Provo
pwbecker@prenhall.com                                              Paul Becker
radrayer@panix.com                                              Rebecca Drayer
ralphh@ic.gov                                                          Ralph H
Ralph_Tuttle@smtp.svl.trw.com                                     Ralph Tuttle
rcarlso1@CLASS.ORG
rellison@wrdis01.robins.af.mil                     Rick CONTRACTOR Ellison Mr.
rhilberg@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu                               Robert T Hilberg
rick@bcm.tmc.edu                                             Richard H. Miller
rick@theblackbox.com                                                Rick Green
RICKS@cc1.uca.edu                                                   Rick Scott
robertar@ibm.is                                          robert arinbjarnarson
rohde@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu                                     Richard Rohde
rthornto@NMSU.Edu                                           Robert E. Thornton
rufinus@mbe.ece.wisc.edu                                       Jeffrey Rufinus
rwhite@freenet.scri.fsu.edu                                       BLACK KNIGHT
saehee@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu                                           chang saehee
sascsg@unx.sas.com                                               Cynthia Grant
schissel@math.cornell.edu                      Eric Schissel - grad - Barbasch
SEK3@OAS.PSU.EDU                                                KOONTZ.STEWART
shap.wolf@asu.edu                                                 Shapard Wolf
sheriff@morakot.nectec.or.th                                    Andrew Sheriff
SHirsch170@aol.com
shrmn@ix.netcom.com                                             Barnet Sherman
sjohn@gate.net                                                      S. Johnson
skeggsd@gov.on.ca                                                  Doug Skeggs
smk@usl.Summit.Novell.COM
sssssss@bbs.aloha.net
sstoner@holly.ColoState.EDU                                      Steven Stoner
STAMPS@admin.xu.edu
StoneJN@ornl.gov                                                     Joe Stone
sward+@CMU.EDU                                               David Reeve Sward
s_sossaman@foma.wsc.mass.edu
tacraft@ccs.carleton.ca                         telnet accountschristina craft
tara@cs.uiuc.edu                                               Tara Madhyastha
taube@bach.isa.de
tedburtn@halcyon.com                                                Ted Burton
tegtmeie@panix.com                                           John R. Tegtmeier
tenzil@io.com                                                      James Kiley
terminat@access.digex.net                                           Terminator
tom@halcyon.com                                                      Tom Acree
torikian@rusun.cs.reitaku-u.ac.jp                              Merwyn Torikian
TTRASK@mecn.mass.edu
twpierce@midway.uchicago.edu                                        Tim Pierce
ueberkma@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu                                         Berkman Elena
venetron@lava.net                                                     venetron
vu@impact.xerox.com                                                   Quyen Vu
WEBB1107@delphi.com                                              William Boyle
werner@cs.utexas.edu                                              Werner Uhrig
wittman@oakton.edu                                              Sandra Wittman
woneill@kn.PacBell.COM                                         William O'Neill
wowylie@ix.netcom.com                                             Walter Wylie
wrollins@NMSU.Edu
zhang@yellow-jacket.cs.uiuc.edu                                  Xingbin Zhang

Voted No
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619070@acadvm1.uottawa.ca                                             JD Smith
ac424@freenet.carleton.ca                                            HH Nguyen
afabbro@umich.edu
au970@freenet.carleton.ca                                       Thuy T. Nguyen
balaji@nexus.yorku.ca                                                   Balaji
brunston@freenet.scri.fsu.edu                                  Gerald Brunston
cajoiner@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca                                  C. A. Joiner
cward@Think.COM                                               Christopher Ward
dan.r@ix.netcom.com                                             Dan Rothschild
dean@daiwa.com
elt@zen.irony.com                                                  Ed Taychert
hnguyen@envirolink.org                                            henry Nguyen
honguyen@bnr.ca                                                 ho (h.) nguyen
JawbonFlat@aol.com
jcmurphy@smurfland.cit.buffalo.edu                                 Jeff Murphy
john@jlc.net                                                       John Leslie
joiner@freenet.scri.fsu.edu                                          C. Joiner
larrys@io.com                                                      Larry Smith
lpham@cello.gina.calstate.edu                                         Lan Pham
nguyen_h@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
nick@inferno.fc.hp.com                                          Nick Ingegneri
ol6@ornl.gov                                                          B W Moll
patl@eiffel.LCS.MIT.EDU                                    Patrick J. LoPresti
rduchesne@envirolink.org                                      Raymond Duchesne
rew@Nuance.Com                                                    Ryan Waldron
rlindber@kendaco.telebyte.com                            R lindberg + E Winnie
rtuok@csi.UOttawa.CA                                                     rtuok
sgomes@minerva.cis.yale.edu                                        Steve Gomes
shaunc@faceplant.gvg.TEK.COM
smarry@turing.toronto.edu                                         Smarasderagd
stainles@bga.com                                                  Dwight Brown
techint@winternet.com                            Technical Intelligence-MN-USA
vo@astro.mdhc.mdc.com
vpnet!vpnet!vagrant@uunet.uu.net
widenius@cc.helsinki.fi                                         Risto Widenius

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crouchkp@flidh101.delcoelect.com                              Kenneth P Crouch
otto@vaxb.acs.unt.edu                                                  M. Otto


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dam@dcs.gla.ac.uk                                                 Dave Morning
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rlhipps@aol.com                                                        RLHipps
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sschwe@asc.upenn.edu                                           Melinda Schwenk
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