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From [email protected] Fri Jul  2 13:10:07 1993
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From: [email protected] (D. J. Bernstein)
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I propose a new unmoderated group:

talk.politics.crypto   The relation between cryptography and government.

The name of the group needs little explanation. Like talk.politics.drugs
and talk.politics.guns, this newsgroup will cover all sides of a sticky 
issue. There's a lot of existing traffic which would fit very well into
talk.politics.crypto; this group should be reasonably successful at 
drawing inappropriate traffic out of sci.crypt.

Please note that talk.politics.crypto is not meant to foreclose the 
possible future creation of a (moderated) sci.crypt.research group.

Followups to news.groups. I expect to run a vote in a month.

---Dan

From [email protected] Mon Aug  2 22:48:09 1993
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I call for votes for a new unmoderated group:

talk.politics.crypto   The relation between cryptography and government.

The name of the group needs little explanation. Like talk.politics.drugs
and talk.politics.guns, this newsgroup will cover all sides of a sticky 
issue. There's a lot of existing traffic which would fit very well into
talk.politics.crypto; this group should be reasonably successful at 
drawing inappropriate traffic out of sci.crypt.

Please note that talk.politics.crypto is not meant to foreclose the 
possible future creation of a (moderated) sci.crypt.research group.

Voting instructions appear below. Always remember: Friends don't let
friends vote drunk. Don't post your votes, and don't mail them to me.
Votes must be received during August, GMT. The results will be announced 
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---Dan

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From [email protected] Sat Aug 28 23:10:10 1993
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From: [email protected] (D. J. Bernstein)
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Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: talk.politics.crypto
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This posting contains: (1) a copy of the original call for votes for
talk.politics.crypto; (2) a list of who had voted as of August 24.
There are still a few days left to vote.

---Dan

I call for votes for a new unmoderated group:

talk.politics.crypto   The relation between cryptography and government.

The name of the group needs little explanation. Like talk.politics.drugs
and talk.politics.guns, this newsgroup will cover all sides of a sticky 
issue. There's a lot of existing traffic which would fit very well into
talk.politics.crypto; this group should be reasonably successful at 
drawing inappropriate traffic out of sci.crypt.

Please note that talk.politics.crypto is not meant to foreclose the 
possible future creation of a (moderated) sci.crypt.research group.

Voting instructions appear below. Always remember: Friends don't let
friends vote drunk. Don't post your votes, and don't mail them to me.
Votes must be received during August, GMT. The results will be announced 
in early September.

[[ news.announce.newgroups moderator's note: to be totally clear, the
end of the voting period is 00:00 GMT, 1 Sep 93 -- tale ]]

---Dan

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	vote talk.politics.crypto yes
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to collect the votes is being provided by Jonathan Kamens and Geer Zolot
Associates. MIT, Jonathan Kamens, and Geer Zolot Associates have nothing
to do with the newsgroup proposal; they're just collecting the votes as
a neutral third party.

(Jeffrey D. Angus) [email protected]
"Mich Kabay / JINBU Corp." <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Tim Dierks)
[email protected] (Eugenio Sanchez-Pe~a), [email protected] (Eugenio Sanchez-Pe~a)
Alan Bawden <[email protected]>
Alan Coopersmith <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Andrew Purshottam)
[email protected]
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[email protected] (Stanko Barle)
Alan P Barrett <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Harry Bartholomew)
Bart Massey <[email protected]>
[email protected] (J. Kintscher)
[email protected] (Thomas A. Berson)
Benjamin Griffin <[email protected]>
[email protected]
"B.J. Herbison" <[email protected]>
Brian R. Gaeke <[email protected]>
"John Kelsey" <[email protected]>
Can Bruce <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Len Charest)
Christopher Davis <[email protected]>
Bob Clements <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Carl Ellison)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Scott Collins)
[email protected] (Colin Owen Rafferty)
Kenneth P Crouch <[email protected]>
[email protected]
Dave Hodgins <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Dave Horsfall)
[email protected] (Dave Wagner)
"David A. Wagner" <[email protected]>
Eric Edward Moore <[email protected]>
Jeff Del Papa <[email protected]>
"David S.A. Stine" <[email protected]>
[email protected] (mike Rosing)
[email protected] (Edward Bertsch)
[email protected] (Edward Reid)
[email protected] (Ed McGuire)
[email protected] (Paul Ferguson)
[email protected] (Frank McPherson)
Hardcore Alaskan <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Garrett Wollman)
[email protected] (Gary R Ratterree)
[email protected] (Gordon Matheson)
[email protected] (John R. Grout)
Geoffrey Spear <[email protected]>
[email protected]
[email protected] (Paul Haahr)
[email protected] (Hal Finney)
Ed Hamrick <[email protected]>
"Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Mark C. Henderson)
[email protected] (Henrik Schmiediche)
[email protected] (Holger Reusch)
[email protected] (douglas craig holland)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Herman Rubin)
[email protected] (Ian Jackson)
[email protected] (Irene Gassko)
[email protected]
[email protected] (J. Eric Townsend)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Joseph Christie)
"Joel A. Fine" <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Jacob S Andersen)
Jin S Choi <[email protected]>
John T Kohl <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Julian Macassey)
Kevin Junck <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Peter D. Junger)
[email protected] (Apostolos Karmirantzos)
[email protected] (Joe Kelsey)
[email protected] (Mark Kohler)
[email protected] (Tal Kubo)
Laszlo Baranyi <[email protected]>
[email protected]
"L. Detweiler" <[email protected]>
[email protected]
[email protected] (Lance Cottrell)
[email protected] (Andy Lowton)
[email protected]
[email protected] (M. Stirner)
Magnus Olsson <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Manish Butte)
[email protected] (Marcy Thompson)
Mark Grant <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Mark Atwood)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Mike Jones)
Mike Fessler <[email protected]>
"Loren J. Miller" <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Miron Cuperman)
Frederic Miserey <[email protected]>
Murray Nesbitt <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Martin Koehling)
[email protected]
Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Timothy B. Moore)
[email protected]
Marc VanHeyningen <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Nelson Minar)
[email protected] (Nathan J. Mehl)
Nat Howard <[email protected]>
Chris Palmer <[email protected]>
[email protected]
[email protected]
Paul Leyland <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Paul Baclace)
[email protected] (Andrew Peed)
[email protected]
Charles P Pfleeger <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Paul E. Hoffman)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Joel Plutchak)
"Michael J. Quinn" <[email protected]>
Richard Pieri <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Sietze Roorda)
[email protected]
Rene Boe Soerensen <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Richard Fall)
[email protected] (Richard H. Miller)
[email protected] (Loren James Rittle)
Robert L Krawitz <[email protected]>
"Ronnie B. Kon" <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Russ Schnapp)
Rich Thomson <[email protected]>
Ryan Bayne <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Mark Zimmermann)
"David A. Scocca" <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Steve Summit)
Scott E Kullberg <[email protected]>
[email protected]
[email protected] (Stephen Joseph Smith)
[email protected]
Jason 'Think!' Steiner <[email protected]>
Steve Brinich <[email protected]>
Steve Coltrin <[email protected]>
[email protected] (David Sternlight)
[email protected] (Stu Labovitz)
Christoph Weber-Fahr <[email protected]>
David Reeve Sward <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Marc A. Tamsky)
[email protected] (Timothy C. May)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Tim Moors)
[email protected] (Detlef Lannert)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Bill Stewart)
[email protected] (Matthew P Wiener)
[email protected]
[email protected]
Olin Sibert <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Bohdan Tashchuk)

From [email protected] Wed Sep  8 19:43:09 1993
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From: [email protected] (D. J. Bernstein)
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Subject: RESULT: talk.politics.crypto passes 184:44
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talk.politics.crypto   The relation between cryptography and government

Here's the tally. There were 184 valid yes votes and 44 valid no votes.
So talk.politics.crypto passes. The vote list appears below. My thanks
to MIT, Jonathan Kamens, and Geer Zolot Associates for collecting the 
votes.

There will be a five-day waiting period to revise the tally in case of 
lost votes. Please post any comments on the vote, including lost votes,
to news.groups; do not mail them to me. Barring a Vogon invasion or some
other unlikely event, David Lawrence will send out a newgroup message
for talk.politics.crypto at the end of the waiting period.

---Dan

"yes" votes (184):

(Jeffrey D. Angus) [email protected]
"Mich Kabay / JINBU Corp." <[email protected]>
[email protected] (John C. Abbe aka Rademir)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Tim Dierks)
Andreas Fuchsberger <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Eugenio Sanchez-Pe~a), [email protected] (Eugenio Sanchez-Pe~a)
Alan Bawden <[email protected]>
Alan Coopersmith <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Andrew Purshottam)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Randall Atkinson)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Stanko Barle)
[email protected] (Harry Bartholomew)
Bart Massey <[email protected]>
[email protected] (J. Kintscher)
[email protected] (David Beckman)
Bengt Larsson <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Thomas A. Berson)
Benjamin Griffin <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Bill Moore)
"Gomes, Bill              M'bio" <[email protected]>
"B.J. Herbison" <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Bob MacDowell)
[email protected] (Daniel F Boyd)
Brian R. Gaeke <[email protected]>
"John Kelsey" <[email protected]>
[email protected] (L. Todd Masco)
Can Bruce <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Len Charest)
Christopher Davis <[email protected]>
Bob Clements <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Pope Clifton)
[email protected] (Carl Ellison)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Scott Collins)
27-Aug-1993 2049 <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Ben Combee)
[email protected] (Colin Owen Rafferty)
[email protected]
Dave Hodgins <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Dave Horsfall)
[email protected] (Dave Wagner)
"David A. Wagner" <[email protected]>
Dave Archer <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Doug McNaught)
Jeff Del Papa <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Jeff DelPapa)
"David S.A. Stine" <[email protected]>
[email protected] (mike Rosing)
[email protected] (Edward Bertsch)
[email protected] (Edward Reid)
[email protected] (Paul Ferguson)
[email protected] (Frank McPherson)
[email protected] (Garrett Wollman)
[email protected] (Gary R Ratterree)
[email protected] (Gordon Matheson)
[email protected] (John R. Grout)
Geoffrey Spear <[email protected]>
[email protected]
[email protected] (Paul Haahr)
Ed Hamrick <[email protected]>
James Harvey <[email protected]>
"Robert A. Hayden" <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Mark C. Henderson)
[email protected] (Henrik Schmiediche)
[email protected] (Holger Reusch)
[email protected] (douglas craig holland)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Herman Rubin)
[email protected] (Ian Jackson)
[email protected] (Irene Gassko)
[email protected] (John Allred)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Randell Jesup)
[email protected] (J. Eric Townsend)
[email protected] (John Henders)
[email protected]
J M Lake <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Joseph Christie)
"Joel A. Fine" <[email protected]>
[email protected] (John Eichler)
[email protected] (Jacob S Andersen)
Jin S Choi <[email protected]>
John T Kohl <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Peter D. Junger)
[email protected] (Apostolos Karmirantzos)
[email protected] (Joe Kelsey)
[email protected] (Mark Kohler)
[email protected] (Tal Kubo)
Laszlo Baranyi <[email protected]>
"L. Detweiler" <[email protected]>
[email protected]
David Lippke <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Lance Cottrell)
[email protected] (Lonadar the Wanderer)
[email protected] (Andy Lowton)
[email protected] (Stefan Lucks)
[email protected] (M. Stirner)
Magnus Olsson <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Professor Maier)
[email protected] (Manish Butte)
[email protected] (Carlo Marchesi)
[email protected] (Marcy Thompson)
Mark Grant <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Mark Atwood)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Catherine A. Meadows)
[email protected] (Mark Healey)
[email protected] (Mike Steele)
Mike Fessler <[email protected]>
"Loren J. Miller" <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Miron Cuperman)
[email protected]
Frederic Miserey <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Martin Koehling)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Mark Shewmaker)
Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Timothy B. Moore)
[email protected]
Marc VanHeyningen <[email protected]>
Matthias Neeracher <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Nelson Minar)
[email protected] (Nathan J. Mehl)
Nat Howard <[email protected]>
Chris Palmer <[email protected]>
[email protected]
[email protected] ( Payson)
Paul Leyland <[email protected]>
[email protected]
[email protected] (Paul Baclace)
[email protected]
Charles P Pfleeger <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Paul E. Hoffman)
[email protected]
"Michael J. Quinn" <[email protected]>
Richard Pieri <[email protected]>
Rob Boudrie <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Sietze Roorda)
[email protected]
Rene Boe Soerensen <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Richard Fall)
[email protected] (Richard L. Robertson)
[email protected] (Loren James Rittle)
Bob Dowling <[email protected]>
Rob Quinn <[email protected]>
Robert L Krawitz <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Ollivier Robert)
[email protected] (Russ Schnapp)
Rich Thomson <[email protected]>
Ryan Bayne <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Samuel Druker)
[email protected] (Mark Zimmermann)
"David A. Scocca" <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Steve Summit)
Scott E Kullberg <[email protected]>
[email protected]
[email protected] (Stephen Joseph Smith)
[email protected] (Stephan Somogyi)
[email protected]
Jason 'Think!' Steiner <[email protected]>
Steve Brinich <[email protected]>
Steve Coltrin <[email protected]>
[email protected] (David Sternlight)
[email protected] (Stu Labovitz)
Christoph Weber-Fahr <[email protected]>
David Reeve Sward <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Marc A. Tamsky)
[email protected] (Timothy C. May)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Tim Moors)
[email protected] (Detlef Lannert)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Matthew P Wiener)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Bohdan Tashchuk)

"no" votes (44):

Albert Amet <[email protected]>
[email protected]
[email protected]
Alan P Barrett <[email protected]>
Scott Bennett <[email protected]>
[email protected]
Alexander EICHENER <[email protected]>
Po Shan Cheah <[email protected]>
[email protected] (The Technicolour Throw-up)
Kenneth P Crouch <[email protected]>
[email protected]
Eric Edward Moore <[email protected]>
"Eric J. Olson" <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Ed McGuire)
[email protected] (Gregory C Franklin )
Hardcore Alaskan <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Greg Manning)
[email protected] (Geoffrey Falk)
[email protected] (Hal Finney)
[email protected] (Hud Nordin)
huntj%[email protected] (Jeffrey Hunt, Great American)
[email protected]
[email protected] (John S. Greene)
[email protected] (Jeff Young)
[email protected] (Julian Macassey)
Kevin Junck <[email protected]>
John Kasdan <[email protected]>
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (mathew)
[email protected] (Mike Jones)
Murray Nesbitt <[email protected]>
[email protected]
[email protected] (Andrew Peed)
[email protected] (Joel Plutchak)
"Sendhil "Mr. Bubbles" Revuluri" <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Richard H. Miller)
[email protected]
"Ronnie B. Kon" <[email protected]>
Tom Jaskiewicz <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Bill Stewart)
[email protected]
[email protected] (John Werner)
Olin Sibert <[email protected]>

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