From [email protected] Mon Feb 17 23:52:50 1992
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From: [email protected] (David Daniel)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups
Subject: New newsgroup proposal
Keywords: proposal, posted
Date: 27 Jan 90 07:34:32 GMT
Organization: Seattle Online Public Unix (206) 328-4944
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I would like to propose the creation of a newsgroup that addresses new developments in the field of telephony as well as novel and creative applications of existing technology.
This field is fairly broad, encompassing ISDN, Simultaneous voice/data, CO switch technology(including but not limited to Centrex) to name a few.
I am a telecomm professional with a local interconnect company (Comtel). I feel that the more I'm keep abreast of new and
emerging technology, the better I'll be able to serve my clients.
 
I'm thinking the newsgroup might be called: tech.telephony or something like it..


From [email protected] Thu Aug 12 14:17:40 1993
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From: [email protected] (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.fax
Subject: RFD: comp.dcom.telecom.tech
Followup-To: news.groups
Date: 12 Aug 1993 13:38:51 -0400
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Request for Discussion

Unmoderated group comp.dcom.telecom.tech

This will also be submitted to the moderated groups comp.dcom.telecom
and comp.std.wireless.  Note followups to news.groups - all discussion
should take place there.


Proposed Charter
 
This group would cover all general technology aspects of the
telecommunications industry in an unmoderated format.  This includes
communications mediums (physical transport, wiring, antennas), control
systems (switches, routing, ATM), wireless systems (AMPS, NAMPS, PCN,
PCS, CDMA, TDMA, GSM), and more (such as the history of the above, and
new advances).  It is expected that discussions which begin to focus
on implementation aspects of subjects which are covered by existing
groups would be moved to those groups - for instance, discussion about
Class 3 Fax design specifics would go to comp.dcom.modems.



Background

Currently, the Telecom Digest is gated to Usenet via
comp.dcom.telecom.  Readers of this group and alt.dcom.telecom have
expressed a strong interest in a main hierarchy group for informal
technical telecommunications discussion.  It is believed that the
existence of such a group will encourage discussions on the subject
that are usefully different from what is currently available, and that
there are enough interested Usenet readers (although we'll see what
the RFD brings).
-- 
"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure
sign of a diseased mind." -- Terry Pratchett, Eric

From [email protected] Wed Sep  8 19:41:55 1993
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From: [email protected] (Andrew Solovay)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.fax
Subject: CFV: comp.dcom.telecom.tech
Followup-To: poster
Date: 8 Sep 1993 16:25:57 -0400
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                      1st CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
 
Unmoderated group comp.dcom.telecom.tech
 
Newsgroups line:   
comp.dcom.telecom.tech	Technical matters relating to telecommunications.

Votes must be recieved by 23:59:59 GMT, 29 Sep 1993.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only, contact .  For questions about
the proposed group, contact the group's proposer, .

CHARTER

  This group would cover all general technology aspects of the
  telecommunications industry in an unmoderated format.  This includes
  communications mediums (physical transport, wiring, antennas), control
  systems (switches, routing, ATM), wireless systems (AMPS, NAMPS, PCN,
  PCS, CDMA, TDMA, GSM), and more (such as the history and management of
  the above, and new advances).  It is expected that discussions which
  focus on implementation aspects of subjects which are covered by
  existing groups would be discussed in those groups - for instance,
  discussion about Class 3 Fax design specifics would go to
  comp.dcom.modems.

RATIONALE

  Currently, the Telecom Digest is gated to Usenet via
  comp.dcom.telecom.  Readers of this group and alt.dcom.telecom have
  expressed a strong interest in a main hierarchy group for informal
  technical telecommunications discussion to supplement the existing
  groups.  It is believed that the existence of such a group will
  encourage discussions on the subject that are usefully different from
  what is currently available, and that there are enough interested
  Usenet readers.


STANDARD VOTING INFO

You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to

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-- 
Andrew Solovay
"What better proof of love can there be than money?  A ten-shilling
 note showed incontrovertibly just how mad about you a man is."
		--- Quentin Crisp

From [email protected] Mon Sep 20 18:30:43 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Andrew Solovay)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.fax
Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.dcom.telecom.tech
Supersedes: 
Followup-To: poster
Date: 20 Sep 1993 12:00:47 -0400
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                      2d CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
 
Unmoderated group comp.dcom.telecom.tech
 
Newsgroups line:   
comp.dcom.telecom.tech	Technical matters relating to telecommunications.

Votes must be recieved by 23:59:59 GMT, 29 Sep 1993.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only, contact .  For questions about
the proposed group, contact the group's proposer, .

CHARTER

  This group would cover all general technology aspects of the
  telecommunications industry in an unmoderated format.  This includes
  communications mediums (physical transport, wiring, antennas), control
  systems (switches, routing, ATM), wireless systems (AMPS, NAMPS, PCN,
  PCS, CDMA, TDMA, GSM), and more (such as the history and management of
  the above, and new advances).  It is expected that discussions which
  focus on implementation aspects of subjects which are covered by
  existing groups would be discussed in those groups - for instance,
  discussion about Class 3 Fax design specifics would go to
  comp.dcom.modems.

RATIONALE

  Currently, the Telecom Digest is gated to Usenet via
  comp.dcom.telecom.  Readers of this group and alt.dcom.telecom have
  expressed a strong interest in a main hierarchy group for informal
  technical telecommunications discussion to supplement the existing
  groups.  It is believed that the existence of such a group will
  encourage discussions on the subject that are usefully different from
  what is currently available, and that there are enough interested
  Usenet readers.


STANDARD VOTING INFO

You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to

      [email protected] 

(just replying by MAIL to this message should work, *if* your
newsreader honors the "Reply-To" line in the article header). Votes
sent to other addresses will be discarded.  Your mail message should
contain one and only one of the following statements:

      I vote YES on comp.dcom.telecom.tech
      I vote NO on comp.dcom.telecom.tech
      I vote ABSTAIN on comp.dcom.telecom.tech

You may add a comment, but anything other than a definite statement
involving the group name and "yes", "no", "for", or "against" on a
single line may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.
If you later change your mind you may send in another vote, which will
automatically supercede all previous votes. "ABSTAIN" votes serve to
cancel previous votes.

Standard Guidelines for voting apply - one vote per person (not per
account).  100 more YES votes than NO votes and 2/3 of all votes being
YES are the requirements for group creation. "ABSTAIN" votes are not
counted in the above calculation; their only role is to cancel
previous votes.

Every vote will be acknowledged by EMail. The CFV will be repeated
once; the 2d CFV will contain a "bounce-ack", i.e. a list of people
whose ACK messages bounced when I sent them.

Bounce-ACK (as of 9/17/93)
==========

The following peoples vote-acknowledgements bounced when I sent them.
You need not reply; your vote has been counted. (If you would like to
confirm how your vote was counted, send EMail to
[email protected])

If you sent your vote on or before Sept. 17, you have not received an
acknowledgement, and you are not listed below, your vote may have been
lost; please resend your vote to .

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The following people have sent invalid votes, and have not since
superseded them with valid votes.

comp.dcom.telecom.tech group vote Mass Ack


Votes in error
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[email protected]                                              Craig J Mathias
   ! Conflicting votes
[email protected]            Ken Guertler, AMS, (703)841-5805
   ! No votes
[email protected]                                            Marshall Levin
   ! Conflicting votes
[email protected]                                      Morris Galloway Jr.
   ! No votes
[email protected]                                                    Persoft
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   ! No votes

From [email protected] Tue Oct  5 13:08:40 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Andrew Solovay)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.fax
Subject: RESULT: comp.dcom.telecom.tech fails 621:468
Supersedes: 
Followup-To: news.groups
Date: 5 Oct 1993 10:52:49 -0400
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Unmoderated group comp.dcom.telecom.tech

comp.dcom.telecom.tech group vote results - 1093 valid votes

 Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
 621  468 :   No   Yes :    No : comp.dcom.telecom.tech

   4 abstaining votes and 8 invalid votes

This is inadequate for newgroup creation. Therefore, the group will
not be created. Six months must elapse before this groups can be
proposed again.

Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 29 1993.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  

Vote-taker's address:		
Group proponent's address:	

Newsgroups line:   
comp.dcom.telecom.tech	Technical matters relating to telecommunications.

CHARTER

  This group would cover all general technology aspects of the
  telecommunications industry in an unmoderated format.  This includes
  communications mediums (physical transport, wiring, antennas), control
  systems (switches, routing, ATM), wireless systems (AMPS, NAMPS, PCN,
  PCS, CDMA, TDMA, GSM), and more (such as the history and management of
  the above, and new advances).  It is expected that discussions which
  focus on implementation aspects of subjects which are covered by
  existing groups would be discussed in those groups - for instance,
  discussion about Class 3 Fax design specifics would go to
  comp.dcom.modems.

comp.dcom.telecom.tech group vote Final Vote Ack


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[email protected]                              Tansin A. Darcos & Company
[email protected]                                             Dan L. Dale
[email protected]                                            David Appell
[email protected]       J.P.MURPHY, SCHOOL OF COMPUTER APPLICATIONS, D.C.U.
[email protected]                                      Scott Loftesness
[email protected]                                           Somhairle Foley
[email protected]                                          MICHAEL J. HAYES
[email protected]                                            Aart de Vos
[email protected]                                      Ramesh Fernando
[email protected]                               Kai Schlichting
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[email protected]                                                    Alan Hales
[email protected]                                        James Van Houten
[email protected]                                       Albert Pang
[email protected]                                      A. Okapuu-von Veh
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[email protected]                                                 Joseph Rice
[email protected]                                            Andrew M. Dunn
[email protected]                                              Anthony Yee
[email protected]                               Andrew Schonberger
[email protected]                                              Andrys D Basten
[email protected]                                             Andy Behrens
[email protected]                                        Andrew Finkenstadt
[email protected]                                                    Andy
[email protected]                                            Andy Sherman
[email protected]                                     Anthony J Stieber
[email protected]                                                  Jack Decker
[email protected]                                          Alfred Martinez
[email protected]                                         PDP11 Hacker .....
[email protected]                                           Andrew Robson
[email protected]                                            A Usenet Pal
[email protected]                                            Antti Simola
[email protected]                                              Asif Taiyabi
[email protected]                                     Michael D. Sullivan
[email protected]                                         Alex R.N. Wetmore
[email protected]                                                 Ari Wuolle
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[email protected]                                      Azure J. Lin
[email protected]                                          Jim    Babb
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[email protected]                                       Paul Barnett
[email protected]                                             Brent Byer
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[email protected]                                     Bryan D. Boyle
[email protected]                                               Bruce D. Elliott
[email protected]                                                 Ben Coleman
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[email protected]                                  Michele Bergonzoni
[email protected]                                    Berry Mobley
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[email protected]                                          Brian Borchers
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[email protected]                                            David A. Boulton
[email protected]                                          Brett Frankenberger
[email protected]                                               Brian TroxeLL
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[email protected]                                             Bruce Gingery
[email protected]                                       Bruce Jorgens
[email protected]                                              Nick Bryant
[email protected]                                        Todd Burggraf
[email protected]                                      Charles Reindorf
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[email protected]                                         Chih-Ping C Sobelman
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[email protected]d.com                             Alan Cheilek
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[email protected]                                            Chris Kennedy
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[email protected]                                          Bob Clements
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[email protected]                                         Mer Industries
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[email protected]                                          James Harvey
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[email protected]                           Andy Rabagliati
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[email protected]                                            Hui Liu
[email protected]                              Craig Ibbotson, x2343
[email protected]                                         Allen French
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[email protected]                             James Borynec; AGT Researcher
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[email protected]                                      Jonathan C Patrick
[email protected]                                              David Ruggiero
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[email protected]                                  Jessie Zoldak
[email protected]                                         Jonathan F Carpenter
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[email protected]                                            Joe George
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[email protected]                                          John G. Thompson
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[email protected]                                        John Henders
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   ! No votes

From [email protected] Tue Oct 12 15:08:24 1993
Path: uunet!tale
From: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,news.admin.policy,news.admin.misc
Subject: Possible creation of comp.dcom.telecom.tech
Followup-To: poster
Date: 12 Oct 1993 14:28:09 -0400
Organization: UUNET Communications
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The proposal to create an unmoderated USENET forum for the discussion
of technical matters related to telecommunications was recently
announced as failing its vote by 623 yes to 468 no.  It did not meet
the criteria of the "Guidelines for USENET Group Creation" that at
least two thirds of the total votes be in favour of creation.  I would
like to send the control message creating this group and add it to the
list of newsgroups which I maintain despite the number of no votes.

I believe this is proper because more than adequate evidence for an
unmoderated telecom group in mainstream USENET has been demonstrated.
However, the moderator of the sole existing mainstream telecom forum
used his position for personal commentary against the proposal, to an
audience which was not accessible by people in favour of the group.
There was no sizable opposition to the proposal voiced on USENET
before it went to vote, or indeed while the vote was in progress, yet
an incredibly large number of votes against it were recorded.  Years
of observing these votes leads people very rapidly to the conclusion
that a nontrivial number of the votes in opposition were cast by
people on the moderator's mailing list, who by and large do not use
USENET.

Co-operation and consistency are important parts of managing the
USENET namespace.  I will not attempt to create the group if I believe
that it would be poorly connected.  If you are a news system
administrator who would not carry this group if I sent the control
message creating it and added it to the list of newsgroups, please
send me your comments.  I will earnestly consider well-reasoned and
thoughtfully presented arguments against my so doing.  Conversely, I
would also like to hear from those news administrators who would carry
the group.

Thank you for your thoughts on this matter.

David Lawrence, moderator, news.announce.newgroups

From [email protected] Thu Oct 14 20:50:30 1993
Path: uunet!tale
From: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,news.admin.policy,news.admin.misc
Subject: comp.dcom.telecom.tech and Changing the Guidelines
Followup-To: news.groups,news.admin.policy
Date: 14 Oct 1993 19:01:27 -0400
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This message is intended to address my recent suggestion that the
comp.dcom.telecom.tech group be created despite its failing vote result,
and to give an introduction toward ideas I have had for a while
regarding restructuring the Guidelines for USENET Group Creation.  I
would like to keep it relatively short, and some people might believe
there are glaring omissions.  I hope that all points will be addressed
in the ensuing discussion.

First, I thank everyone who has written to me over the past two days.
Nearly all of the messages that I received were carefully written and
well presented.  I'm sorry that I cannot reply individually to all of
them.

The diversity of the mail has been surprising at times.  I've got
messages from people who voted for the proposal asking me not to create
it, and messages from those who voted against it remarking that I should
create it.  I've got praise from people who are happy to see the spirit
of the Guidelines upheld, and derision from those who would hold me to
the letter of them.  I've got more than ample indication that if I did
send the newgroup without further debate that it would be widely
honoured and the group well propagated.

Before I continue, I want to make clear my primary source of bias
regarding USENET group creation.  I support the creation of well focused
newsgroups which are not duplicitous.  I have yet to oppose a USENET
newsgroup based on its content.

Voting by the hundreds is not a good way to administer a classification
system.  "No" votes are not particularly effective at the job they were
intended to do, which was to stop poorly formed proposals.  They have
been used to stop groups which should have been created and have not
stopped those which shouldn't.  I don't believe that any manner of
playing with the numbers and ratios will resolve this inequity.  They
should be abolished.

Namespace management is best served by a small working group who can
help ensure consistency and coherency.  The net supported this idea two
years ago when a proposal to use a "trial" process to create groups was
approved by a traditional USENET vote.  One of its features was that a
small group of people were to chose the name of the group.

I would like to advance a proposal for new guidelines for group
creation.  The essential differences would be to make new group creation
easier and shorter for people interested in the topics to be discussed,
at the cost of not being able to push any name and ill-formed charter
forward.

I will be working on the draft of these Guidelines and submitting them
for discussion in the near future.  Please do not start debating these
ideas until you see how they come out in the proposal.

On the specific matter of comp.dcom.telecom.tech, there is an important
factor which led to my message two days ago that people should know.  I
have been led to believe that the six month wait would be quite
meaningless.  The people who deem themselves the overseers of the "inet"
set of groups would create the unmoderated telecom by fiat, without even
informing fellow news administrators of the intent to do so, based on
the new mailing list which has been created in the aftermath of the
failing vote.  The inet groups are a bit of an odd situation, and I
won't burden this article with an explanation of them for those who do
not know the issues behind them.  The whole issue puts me in quite a
difficult spot with regard to the sites I administer.

Under the accepted, established precedents used in news.announce.newgroups,
I can invalidate the result of this vote because of the questionable
influence caused by editorials against the proposal being sent to a large
mailing list which was denied access by people submitting proposals in
favour.  Mr. Townson has indicated to me that he would allow a special
edition of the digest to be sent to the list which presented both sides
of the issue, which would address that point fairly.

I have no doubt that such a revote would pass, but it isn't really the
point anymore.  The result of the comp.dcom.telecom.tech vote is just
setting the stage for improving the policies by which new USENET groups
are considered "valid" by most sites.

David Lawrence
moderator, news.announce.newgroups

From [email protected] Mon Oct 25 19:20:31 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Special RFD: comp.dcom.telecom.tech
Followup-To: poster
Date: 25 Oct 1993 18:52:07 -0400
Organization: qualcomm.com
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Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4187 news.groups:85739 alt.dcom.telecom:3831 comp.dcom.modems:47197 comp.dcom.fax:5667

                     Special Request for Discussion

Unmoderated group comp.dcom.telecom.tech

This will also be submitted to the moderated groups comp.dcom.telecom
and comp.std.wireless.

This is a request for comment for a special edition of the Telecom
Digest, discussing the pros and cons of comp.dcom.telecom.tech from
anyone who wishes to contribute.  Send your opinions on the group to
me, I will acknowledge all received submissions with a mail message,
then digestify it and hand it off to the Telecom Digest on Sunday, Oct
31.  Again, all points of view are welcome, but keep in mind that
there will be many people wanting a say, so try to be concise.

[[ news.announce.newgroups moderator's note:  This is being done to
clear up any doubts that might exist over the influence of heavily
biased commentary against the proposal to an audience which was denied
access by the people in favour.  The poll will be reconducted a few
days following publication of the digest.  Comments should address
only the actual merits of an unmoderated telecom forum in USENET, and
refrain from vituperation of the personalities involved. ]]

Note the followup to poster.  If you wish to discuss this matter
publically, please post under this subject name in news.groups.


Proposed Charter (unchanged)
 
This group would cover all general technology aspects of the
telecommunications industry in an unmoderated format.  This includes
communications mediums (physical transport, wiring, antennas), control
systems (switches, routing, ATM), wireless systems (AMPS, NAMPS, PCN,
PCS, CDMA, TDMA, GSM), and more (such as the history of the above, and
new advances).  It is expected that discussions which begin to focus
on implementation aspects of subjects which are covered by existing
groups would be moved to those groups - for instance, discussion about
Class 3 Fax design specifics would go to comp.dcom.modems.

From [email protected] Thu Nov 11 10:21:37 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.fax
Subject: CFV: comp.dcom.telecom.tech revote
Followup-To: poster
Date: 10 Nov 1993 15:25:40 -0500
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers...the knights who say ACK!
Lines: 76
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Approved: [email protected]
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Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4250 news.groups:87280 alt.dcom.telecom:4135 comp.dcom.modems:48109 comp.dcom.fax:5849

                      1st CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
 
Unmoderated group comp.dcom.telecom.tech
 
Newsgroups line:   
comp.dcom.telecom.tech  Discussion of technical aspects of telephony.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 GMT, 2 December 1993.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions
only, contact Jay Maynard, [email protected] For questions about
the proposed group, contact the group's proposer, Ron Dippold,
[email protected]

CHARTER
 
This unmoderated group would cover all general technology aspects of the
telecommunications industry in an unmoderated format.  This includes
communications mediums (physical transport, wiring, antennas), control systems
(switches, routing, ATM), wireless systems (AMPS, NAMPS, PCN, PCS, CDMA, TDMA,
GSM), and more (such as the history of the above, and new advances).  It is
expected that discussions which begin to focus on implementation aspects of
subjects which are covered by existing groups would be moved to those groups -
for instance, discussion about Class 3 Fax design specifics would go to
comp.dcom.modems. 

In the future this group would hopefully be gatewayed with the Telecom Tech
mailing list , which is currently gatewayed with
alt.dcom.telecom.  The goal is that this group will complement the existing
comp.dcom.telecom with discussions of greater depth on more limited subject
areas. This CFV is being posted to that mailing list. 

If you wish an unabridged duplicate of the special posting which appeared in
comp.dcom.telecom containing arguments for and against comp.dcom.telecom.tech
by interested readers, send mail to [email protected] and request the
Special Telecom Tech digest. 

STANDARD VOTING INFO

You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to

      [email protected]

(just replying by MAIL to this posting should work, *if* your
newsreader honors the "Reply-To" line in the article header). Votes
sent to other addresses will be discarded.  Your mail message should
contain one and only one of the following statements:

      I vote YES on comp.dcom.telecom.tech
      I vote NO on comp.dcom.telecom.tech
      I vote ABSTAIN on comp.dcom.telecom.tech
      I vote CANCEL on comp.dcom.telecom.tech

You may add a comment, but anything other than a definite statement involving
the group name and "yes", "no", "for", or "against" on a single line may be
rejected by the automatic vote counting program. If you later change your mind
you may send in another vote, which will automatically supercede all previous
votes. "ABSTAIN" votes serve only to record that you sent a vote. "CANCEL"
votes remove your name (and vote) from the list of voters. Please don't
include a copy of the whole CFV; I already have one, and it'll just waste disk
space.

Standard Guidelines for voting apply.  For the group to be created, 100 more
YES votes than NO votes must be cast, and 2/3 of all valid votes must be YES
votes. "ABSTAIN" votes are not counted in either calculation; their only role
is to cancel previous votes. 

Every vote will be acknowledged by EMail. The CFV will be repeated once; the
second CFV will contain a "bounce-ack", i.e. a list of people whose ACK
messages bounced when I sent them.  All votes will be listed in the posting
with the results of the vote; this is necessary to allow independent
validation of the vote should a third party choose to do so.  
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
[email protected]      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
    "The road to Usenet is littered with dead horses." -- Jack Hamilton

From [email protected] Sat Nov 27 00:12:43 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.fax
Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.dcom.telecom.tech revote
Followup-To: poster
Date: 24 Nov 1993 14:27:51 -0500
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers...the knights who say ACK!
Lines: 92
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Approved: [email protected]
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Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4317 news.groups:88623 alt.dcom.telecom:4408 comp.dcom.modems:49114 comp.dcom.fax:6001

                      LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
 
Unmoderated group comp.dcom.telecom.tech
 
Newsgroups line:   
comp.dcom.telecom.tech  Discussion of technical aspects of telephony.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 GMT, 2 December 1993.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions
only, contact Jay Maynard, [email protected] For questions about
the proposed group, contact the group's proposer, Ron Dippold,
[email protected]

CHARTER
 
This unmoderated group would cover all general technology aspects of the
telecommunications industry in an unmoderated format.  This includes
communications mediums (physical transport, wiring, antennas), control systems
(switches, routing, ATM), wireless systems (AMPS, NAMPS, PCN, PCS, CDMA, TDMA,
GSM), and more (such as the history of the above, and new advances).  It is
expected that discussions which begin to focus on implementation aspects of
subjects which are covered by existing groups would be moved to those groups -
for instance, discussion about Class 3 Fax design specifics would go to
comp.dcom.modems. 

In the future this group would hopefully be gatewayed with the Telecom Tech
mailing list , which is currently gatewayed with
alt.dcom.telecom.  The goal is that this group will complement the existing
comp.dcom.telecom with discussions of greater depth on more limited subject
areas. This CFV is being posted to that mailing list. 

If you wish an unabridged duplicate of the special posting which appeared in
comp.dcom.telecom containing arguments for and against comp.dcom.telecom.tech
by interested readers, send mail to [email protected] and request the
Special Telecom Tech digest. 

STANDARD VOTING INFO

You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to

      [email protected]

(just replying by MAIL to this posting should work, *if* your
newsreader honors the "Reply-To" line in the article header). Votes
sent to other addresses will be discarded.  Your mail message should
contain one and only one of the following statements:

      I vote YES on comp.dcom.telecom.tech
      I vote NO on comp.dcom.telecom.tech
      I vote ABSTAIN on comp.dcom.telecom.tech
      I vote CANCEL on comp.dcom.telecom.tech

You may add a comment, but anything other than a definite statement involving
the group name and "yes", "no", "for", or "against" on a single line may be
rejected by the automatic vote counting program. If you later change your mind
you may send in another vote, which will automatically supercede all previous
votes. "ABSTAIN" votes serve only to record that you sent a vote. "CANCEL"
votes remove your name (and vote) from the list of voters. Please don't
include a copy of the whole CFV; I already have one, and it'll just waste disk
space.

Standard Guidelines for voting apply.  For the group to be created, 100 more
YES votes than NO votes must be cast, and 2/3 of all valid votes must be YES
votes. "ABSTAIN" votes are not counted in either calculation; their only role
is to cancel previous votes. 

Every vote will be acknowledged by EMail. This is the repeat posting of the
CFV. Below is a "bounce-ack", i.e. a list of people whose ACK messages bounced
when I sent them. If your name is on that list, your vote has been received
and recorded, and you do not need to vote again. If you have not received an
acknowledgement of your vote, and your name is not on that list, your vote may
have been lost, or the acknowledgement may have been lost in transit; in
either case, you are encouragted to vote again. I will filter out duplicate
votes before performing the final tally.  All votes will be listed in the
posting with the results of the vote; this is necessary to allow independent
validation of the vote should a third party choose to do so.
  
comp.dcom.telecom.tech group vote Bounce Ack List
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-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
[email protected]      | adequately be explained by stupidity. 
    "The road to Usenet is littered with dead horses." -- Jack Hamilton

From [email protected] Tue Dec  7 18:07:00 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.fax
Subject: RESULT: comp.dcom.telecom.tech revote passes 738:276
Supersedes: 
Followup-To: news.groups
Date: 7 Dec 1993 15:52:26 -0500
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers...the knights who say ACK!
Lines: 1089
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Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4375 news.groups:89560 alt.dcom.telecom:4767 comp.dcom.modems:50029 comp.dcom.fax:6118

Unmoderated group comp.dcom.telecom.tech

comp.dcom.telecom.tech group vote results - 1016 valid votes

 Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
 738  276 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : comp.dcom.telecom.tech

   2 abstaining votes and 3 invalid votes

This margin is adequate for newgroup creation. Barring serious
controversy about this vote, the group will be created five days after
this is posted.

Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 2 December 1993.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  

Vote-taker's address:           [email protected]
Group proponent's address:      [email protected]

Newsgroups line:   
comp.dcom.telecom.tech  Discussion of technical aspects of telephony.

CHARTER (as printed in the Call for Votes)
 
This unmoderated group would cover all general technology aspects of the
telecommunications industry in an unmoderated format.  This includes
communications mediums (physical transport, wiring, antennas), control systems
(switches, routing, ATM), wireless systems (AMPS, NAMPS, PCN, PCS, CDMA, TDMA,
GSM), and more (such as the history of the above, and new advances).  It is
expected that discussions which begin to focus on implementation aspects of
subjects which are covered by existing groups would be moved to those groups -
for instance, discussion about Class 3 Fax design specifics would go to
comp.dcom.modems. 

In the future this group would hopefully be gatewayed with the Telecom Tech
mailing list , which is currently gatewayed with
alt.dcom.telecom.  The goal is that this group will complement the existing
comp.dcom.telecom with discussions of greater depth on more limited subject
areas. This CFV is being posted to that mailing list. 

If you wish an unabridged duplicate of the special posting which appeared in
comp.dcom.telecom containing arguments for and against comp.dcom.telecom.tech
by interested readers, send mail to [email protected] and request the
Special Telecom Tech digest. 


comp.dcom.telecom.tech group vote Final Vote Ack


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[email protected]                                           Mark D. Combs
[email protected]                                              Robert (R.C.) Lamb
[email protected]                                      Scott Loftesness
[email protected]                                               Vos A.de
[email protected]                              Robert J. Repas
[email protected]                                      Ramesh Fernando
[email protected]                                     Duncan MacGregor
[email protected]                                                     Steve Adams
[email protected]                                 Andrew R. D'Uva
[email protected]                                                 Allan E Johannesen
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[email protected]                                        Andy Jacobson
[email protected]                                         Alan Whittaker
[email protected]                                                  A.B.Haigh
[email protected]                                        Mark Rudholm
[email protected]                                                    Alan Hales
[email protected]                                                   Alan Baxter
[email protected]                                        Alan Coopersmith
[email protected]                                           Alex Zatsman
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[email protected]                                                    Joe Rice
[email protected]                                         Andrew Klossner
[email protected]                                       Andrew R Ghali
[email protected]                               Andrew Schonberger
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[email protected]                                             Andy Behrens
[email protected]                                        Andrew Finkenstadt
[email protected]                                                Andy Rabagliati
[email protected]                                            Andy Sherman
[email protected]                                           Anne Bennett
[email protected]                                     Anthony J Stieber
[email protected]                                             Brennan T. Price
[email protected]                                                   Thom Byxbe
[email protected]                                                  Jack Decker
[email protected]                                          Alfred Martinez
[email protected]                                                    David Appell
[email protected]                                                Alan (A.R.) Quirt
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[email protected]                                   Arthur Chance
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[email protected]                                            Antti Simola
aspgd21!dt07039%[email protected]                             Greg Stanton
[email protected]                                                 Angela T. Johnston
[email protected]                                              Richard B. August
[email protected]                                      Daniel Augustine
[email protected]                                            Tom Ace
[email protected]                                                Ari Wuolle
[email protected]                                                     Brian Court
[email protected]                                        Christoph Badura
[email protected]                               Marcos Bafutto
[email protected]                                           Ed Bailey
[email protected]                                       Paul Barnett
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[email protected]                            Amritansh Raghav
[email protected]                                           Buzz Buzzini
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[email protected]                                             boy brent
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[email protected]               Brad, RN3-12, 765-0494, Beeper: 237-2604
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[email protected]                                                       Bob Marrow
[email protected]                                           C. S. Cheyney
[email protected]                                            David A. Boulton
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[email protected]                                             Bram Smits
[email protected]                                          Brett Frankenberger
[email protected]                                        Brian Rice
[email protected]                                          Brian Gordon
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briand%[email protected]                            Brian Dickson
[email protected]                                Brooks Benson
Bruce_Sullivan++LOCAL+dADR%[email protected]        Bruce Sullivan
[email protected]                                              Nick Bryant
[email protected]                         BARRY M. SCHLESINGER
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[email protected]                                     Aliza R. Panitz
bugs%[email protected]                                  Dan Berry
[email protected]                                       Laura Burchard
[email protected]                                                Bruce Whitby
[email protected]                                           Bruce Walzer
[email protected]                                       BY de Boer at Cybernetics
[email protected]                                             Ross H. Perot
[email protected]                                           Kenny Adams
[email protected]                                        Christopher King
[email protected]                                 David Capshaw
[email protected]                                                    John Carr
[email protected]                                                John Caruso
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[email protected]                         Hank Cavendish
[email protected]                                            David Almagor
[email protected]                                     Jeff Scofield
[email protected]                                              Bill McGown
[email protected]                                               John Hood
[email protected]                                         Charles Levert
[email protected]                             Alan Cheilek
[email protected]                                                   Cheryl Fargo
[email protected]                                                Keh-Fan Chi
[email protected]                                        Chip Rosenthal
[email protected]                             Chris Davies
[email protected]                                               Chris Cavigioli
[email protected]                                        Chris Yoder
[email protected]                                     Chris Hughes
[email protected]                                                 Chris Jewell
[email protected]                                              Chris Marble
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[email protected]                          Brian Schipper
[email protected]                                     Clark B. Pansch
[email protected]                                          Bob Clements
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[email protected]                              Colum Mylod at ORACLE Europe
[email protected]                                        Mike Coleman
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[email protected]                                     Todd Colvard
[email protected]                                                  Kevin Carstens
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[email protected]                                            Carol Reed
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[email protected]                                  Matthew Crosby
[email protected]                                               Craig R. Watkins
[email protected]                               Christian S. Morley
[email protected]                                      BENJAMIN ALLOUL
[email protected]                                           Charles T. Smith, Jr.
[email protected]                                              Tim Clark
[email protected]                                              Brandon Magee
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[email protected]                                              Dave Bonney
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[email protected]                                                Dave Barringer
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[email protected]                                            David Josephson
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[email protected]                                         Damon Brownd
[email protected]                                               Donald Clark Jackson
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[email protected]                                            Devin Park
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[email protected]                         David A. Habedank
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[email protected]                                         Tom 'moof' Spindler
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[email protected]                           Darren S. Embry
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[email protected]                              Dan Wootan
[email protected]                                               Dana Paxson
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[email protected]                                    Ed Blachman x4420
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[email protected]                                           Eva Marie Allen
[email protected]                                            Jon Gauthier
[email protected]                                            Kevin Autrey
[email protected]                                      Bohdan Tashchuk
[email protected]                                 Doug Faunt N6TQS 510-655-8604
[email protected]                                             Fred Bauer
[email protected]                                           Fabio De Ferrari
[email protected]                                            Floyd Davidson
[email protected]                                          Alain Fontaine
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[email protected]                                            Frank Keeney
[email protected]                                            Frank Stepan
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[email protected]                                      Stephen Friedl
[email protected]                                            David Fumento
[email protected]                                                 Bob Furtaw
[email protected]                                      Geoffrey P Waigh
[email protected]                                              Gabe Helou
[email protected]                            Dominik Gaillardetz
[email protected]                                                Gordon Jacobson
[email protected]                                              Gary Heston
[email protected]                                          Ehud Gavron
[email protected]                                                 Goran Edvardsson
[email protected]                                           John N. Schmidt
[email protected]                                         G. "Wolfe" Woodbury
[email protected]                                   The Tibetian Traveller
[email protected]                                    Steve Gilbert
[email protected]                                   Norbert J. Girardi
[email protected]                                                 Brian Gix
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[email protected]                                             Gregory K Johnson
[email protected]                                      Greg Lindahl
[email protected]                                             Guy Montgomery
[email protected]                                                Gabe M Wiener
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[email protected]                                            Bob Goudreau
[email protected]                                       David Grabiner
[email protected]                                                     Gregory Marr
[email protected]                                        John Grohol
[email protected]                                              Graham Toal
[email protected]                           George V Mouradian +1 908 949 7671
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[email protected]                                                  George Baltz
[email protected]                                        Basalat Ali Raja
[email protected]                                                Jon Gefaell
[email protected]                                       Phil Anderson
[email protected]                                                Holger Lubitz
[email protected]                                            Hal N. Brooks
[email protected]                                      Robert M. Hamer
[email protected]                                        Bart Hamilton
[email protected]                                                  Hamish Reid
[email protected]                                              Hans Mulder
[email protected]                                          James Harvey
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[email protected]                                                 Harry Schroeder
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[email protected]                                      Harris Boldt Edelman
[email protected]                                     Hector Myerston
[email protected]                                     Mickey Henniger
[email protected]                          Hari Gopalakrishnan
[email protected]                                               H. Peter Anvin N9ITP
[email protected]                                        Helen T. Rose Davis
[email protected]                                              Matt Hucke
[email protected]                                         Edward J. Huff
[email protected]                                                Ian Phillipps
[email protected]                              Craig Ibbotson, x2343
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[email protected]                                         Allen French
[email protected]                                       Dale Marmaduke
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[email protected]                                       Mike Iglesias
[email protected]                                    Irene Zeitgeist
[email protected]                                        Irving_Wolfe
[email protected]                                 Mark E. Irwin
[email protected]                                                Ian Jackson
[email protected]                                 Kees van der Wal
[email protected]                                              Jeff Hayward
[email protected]                        JAMES R 'JIM' BRANSTETTER
[email protected]                                                Jack Powers
[email protected]                                  Jacob DeGlopper
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[email protected]                             James Borynec; AGT Researcher
[email protected]                                     Joan Krizek-James
[email protected]                                                 Jim Small
[email protected]                                                 Jan Isley
[email protected]                                                    Jan Morales
[email protected]                                         Jim Ancona
[email protected]                                             Euee S. Jang
[email protected]                                                 Jaakko Reinila
[email protected]                                               Jan Schiefer
[email protected]                                             John Siegel
jay%[email protected]                             Jay Schuster
[email protected]                                               Jay Hennigan
[email protected]                                           Jim Berilla
[email protected]                                                   Joe Wells
[email protected]                                              John (J.M.) Clarke
[email protected]                                                   J C Steele
[email protected]                                                Jim Davis
[email protected]                               James G Driscoll
[email protected]                                                  John D Tais
[email protected]                             James R Ebright
[email protected]                                     Jeff Brielmaier
[email protected]                                    Herb Jellinek
[email protected]                                                   Jerry Godes
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[email protected]                                              J. Eric Townsend
[email protected]                                  Jane Fraser
[email protected]                                       Jerry Wallace
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[email protected]                                                     Joe George
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[email protected]                                             Jim Blocker
[email protected]                                              Jim Graham
[email protected]                                              Jim Gottlieb
[email protected]                                             Jeffrey J. Carpenter
[email protected]                                            James J. Menth
[email protected]                                              Joseph Kwiatkowski
[email protected]                                                   Jeff Kyser
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[email protected]                      Joe Bergstein
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[email protected]                                  John Eichler
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[email protected]                                                    John Leslie
[email protected]                                                 John Higdon
[email protected]                                  John E. Kabat Jr.
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[email protected]                                         John Paul Morrison
[email protected]                                       John Ammirati
[email protected]                                   Jonathan Bradshaw
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[email protected]                                               Jari Sillanp\d\d
[email protected]                                      John Schultz
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[email protected]                                      James W Abendschan
[email protected]                                                 Jim Lewis
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[email protected]                                                    Karl Voss
[email protected]                                        Marc T. Kaufman
[email protected]                                               Kauto Huopio
[email protected]                                                    Andrew Funk
[email protected]                                                         Ken Bass
[email protected]                                         Kieran Brennan
[email protected]                                                Ken Easton
[email protected]                                       Dave Keller
[email protected]                                             Joe Kelsey
[email protected]                                     Ken Sallenger
[email protected]                                          Ken Asnes
[email protected]                                                 Kenji Rikitake
[email protected]                                Kenton Bankfoot
[email protected]                                                    Kerry Lynn
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[email protected]                                                  Ken Herron
[email protected]                                       David L Kindred
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[email protected]                                            Klein Gilhousen
[email protected]                                               Kendall M. Miller
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[email protected]                                            Alexey Kochnov
[email protected]                                                 Joe Konstan
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[email protected]                                  Krzysztof Adamski
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[email protected]                                        Martin Schr"oder
[email protected]                                          Laird Broadfield
[email protected]                                            Lance Kibblewhite
[email protected]                                            Charles Lane
[email protected]                                       Lars S. Sorensen
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[email protected]                                           Lim Chin Keng
[email protected]                                     Laura C. Mollett
[email protected]                                           Larry Rosenman
[email protected]                                          Leslie R Reeves
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[email protected]                                        Alan R. Gross (1-1-90)
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[email protected]                                            Matthias Ernst
[email protected]                                                  Fazal Majid
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[email protected]                                               Mark Osbourne
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[email protected]                                    Charles Mattair
[email protected]                                       Matthew Geier
[email protected]                                     Maurizio Codogno
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[email protected]                                               Bob Peterson
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[email protected]                                               Rich Greenberg
[email protected]                                             Richard H. Miller
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[email protected]                                                 Sarah Riehl
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[email protected]                                     Roger (Brad) Jones Jr
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[email protected]                                          Robert Eden
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