From [email protected] Sun Jan 17 14:38:06 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (D Parsons) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.med,bit.admin Subject: RFD: sci.med.hspnet Followup-To: news.groups Date: 14 Jan 1993 13:28:18 -0500 Organization: State University of New York at Albany Lines: 26 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3142 news.groups:64417 sci.med:51903 bit.admin:471 This is a request to begin discussion of a new unmoderated newsgroup: sci.med.hspnet which will include but not be restricted to, transferred discussion from the bitnet list I have been moderating for 3 years - hspnet-l@albnydh2. THis has 400 subscribers from many countries. Both lists discuss the design, and operation of networks that communicate between medical centers and rural physicians including software and workstations. I consider it desirable to expand to unix users because the most advanced features of consulting networks include unix features such as X-window terminals. I have the agreement of the unix administrator of the Computer Science Department of the State University of New York at Albany. If approved, the new newsgroup will be created on the hub machine csnews.albany.edu. We have considered starting a bit.list mirror of the bitnet list and rejercted this since I want sci.med.hspnet to have much new content and also SUNYA CS is reluctant to find extra disk space for the bit.lists. Similar feelings may well reduce the availbity of bit.lists elsewhere. Thank you for your consideration. I hope to receive further instructions and questions to set the discussion in motion. D.F. Parsons MD, PhD, DSc Prof Albany School of Public Health Research Physician, NY State Dept of Health -- Donald F. Parsons MD, Wadsworth Ctr. Rm C273, NY State Dept of Health, ESP, PO Box 509, Albany, NY 12201-0509. (518)474-7047 Fax: (518)474-7992 [email protected] [email protected] Cis 71777,212 From [email protected] Mon Jan 25 20:51:52 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (D Parsons) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.med,sci.med.physics,bionet.announce,bionet.general,bionet.sci-resources,bit.general Subject: 2nd RFD: sci.med.telemedicine Followup-To: news.groups Date: 25 Jan 1993 01:02:20 -0500 Organization: NY State Dept of Health Lines: 46 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected], [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3171 news.groups:65072 sci.med:52334 sci.med.physics:949 bionet.announce:323 bionet.general:4441 bionet.sci-resources:726 bit.general:149 [[ This article is the edited version of two separate articles which Dr. Parsons submitted. -- tale, moderator news.announce.newgroups ]] REQUEST for DISCUSSION: sci.med.telemedicine A new unmoderated group is proposed - sci.med.telemedicine. It is intended for discussion of design, hardware, software, strategies for extended clinical consulting by hospital computer networks. The discussion is of special interest to medical centers seeking to apply telemedicine to their rural consortium and to isolated physicians in remote regions of developing countries. The original proposal was for sci.med.hspnet. It has been suggested that ".hspnet" is not sufficiently descriptive and perhaps "sci.med.telemedicine" would be better. Other suggestions are certainly welcome. Discussion taking place in the 3 year old BITNET group hspnet-l@albnydh2 will be included in sci.med.telemedicine but the new group is expected to provide a base for medical users of unix systems such as X terminals and UUCP net works. Attention will also be directed to the new unix systems which are coordinating state and regional insurance and statistical information. Note that the possibility of creating a "bit.list" has been considered and rejected because (a) we do not want to simply mirror the BITNET list but hope to obtain new and different information from the newsgroup audience, and (b) we find that not all news feeds include the bit.lists. The first Request for Discussion was posted on Jan 14, 1993. ** Please send your discussion to news.groups ** Points under discussion are the name of the group, its unmoderated status, ideas about content, etc. If warranted, the charter of the group will be reformulated and followed by a Call for Votes. Thank you for your consideration, Donald F. Parsons MD, PhD Prof. Albany School of Public Health, Albany NY Moderator, [email protected] -- Donald F. Parsons MD, Wadsworth Ctr. Rm C273, NY State Dept of Health, ESP, PO Box 509, Albany, NY 12201-0509. (518)474-7047 Fax: (518)474-7992 [email protected] [email protected] Cis 71777,212 ...!doh1c!paxsys!root From [email protected] Tue Feb 23 23:40:25 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Don Parsons) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.med Subject: CFV: sci.med.telemedicine Followup-To: poster Date: 23 Feb 1993 14:40:31 -0500 Organization: NY State Dept of Health Lines: 61 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3274 news.groups:67297 sci.med:53893 CALL FOR VOTES for sci.med.telemedicine Following a three week discussion period during which all responses were favorable, here is the official Call For Votes to create the group. STATUS: unmoderated CHARTER: Discussion of computer networks that connect between hospitals and/or physician's offices, including international linkages between medical facilities in different countries. Subjects will include hardware and software for such networks, increased use of networks for transmission of text and image patient data, and help in use of e-mail for medical purposes. The group will be linked to the bitnet list hspnet-l@albnydh2 VOTING PERIOD The voting period starts with the posting of this CFV, and lasts for 30 days. Votes received after 23:59:59 GMT on 25 March 1993 will not be counted. Each person has only one vote, even if they have multiple computer accounts. Votes must be mailed to the vote-taker. Posted votes will not be counted. HOW TO VOTE Vote by sending mail to [email protected] or [email protected] with the word YES or NO in the subject line. If you use rn or a similar news reader, you can use r (reply), edit YES or NO into the Subject line, and mail it. Ideally your vote would appear as one of the following: Subject: YES sci.med.telemedicine Subject: NO sci.med.telemedicine Votes which do not contain yes or no in the Subject line will cause extra work but will still be counted so long as they are unambiguous. Votes will be acknowledged by mail, but any acknowledgement that bounces will not be re-tried. There will also be at least one mass acknowledgement posted during the voting period. The final vote tally will be posted at the end of the vote, including a list showing how everyone voted. If you vote more than once from the same address, only the most recent vote received will be counted as valid. If you vote more than once from different addresses in an apparent attempt at a vote fraud, all your votes may be rejected, and this fact plus your name published to the net. RESULT At the end of the voting period, there will be a period of five days from the posting of the result to allow for any errors to be noted and corrected. The group will be created if at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes are received, with at least 2/3 of the valid votes received in favor. If both the 100 vote margin and 2/3 majority are not met, the group will not be created. -- Donald F. Parsons MD, Wadsworth Ctr. Rm C273, NY State Dept of Health, ESP, PO Box 509, Albany, NY 12201-0509. (518)474-7047 Fax: (518)474-7992 [email protected] [email protected] Cis 71777,212 Moderator: [email protected] (Consulting by hospital Networks) From [email protected] Wed Mar 10 21:08:30 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (D Parsons) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.med Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: sci.med.telemedicine Followup-To: poster Date: 3 Mar 1993 23:54:09 -0500 Organization: State University of New York at Albany Lines: 164 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3324 news.groups:67539 sci.med:54610 mass.ack March 3, 1993 Re-post of the CALL FOR VOTES for the proposed Usenet News group: sci.med.telemedicine Acknowledgement of Persons Voting Todate Sent to UseNet News news.announce.newgroups, news.groups and sci.med CALL FOR VOTES for sci.med.telemedicine (Repeat call and acknowledgement, 1 week after the start of voting) Following a three week discussion period during which all responses were favorable, here is the official Call for Votes to create the group. STATUS: unmoderated CHARTER: Discussion of computer networks that connect between hospitals and/or physician's offices, including international linkages between medical facilities in different countries. Subjects will include hardware and software for such networks, increased use of networks for transmission of text and image patient data, and help in use of e-mail for medical purposes. The group will be linked to the bitnet list hspnet-l@albnydh2. VOTING PERIOD: The voting period started with the posting of this CFV, and lasts for 30 days. Votes received after 23:59:59 GMT on 25 day of March 1993 will not be counted. Each person has only one vote, even if they have multiple computer accounts. Votes must be mailed to the vote-taker (Donald Parsons). Posted votes will not be counted. HOW TO VOTE: Vote by sending mail to [email protected] or [email protected] with the word YES or NO in the subject line. If you use rn or a similar news reader, you can use r (reply), edit YES or NO into the Subject line, and mail it. Ideally your vote would appear as one of the following: Subject: YES sci.med.telemedicine Subject: NO sci.med.telemedicine Votes which do not contain yes or no in the subject line will cause extra work but still will be counted so long as they are unambiguous. Votes will be acknowledged by mail, but any acknowledgement that bounces will not be re-tried. There will be at least one mass acknowledgement (this document) posted during the voting period. The final vote tally will be posted at the end of the vote, including a list showing how everyone voted. If you vote more than once from the same address, only the most recent vote received will be counted as valid. If you vote more than once from different addresses in an apparent attempt at a vote fraud, all your votes may be rejected, and this fact plus your name published in the net. RESULT: At the end of the voting period, there will be a period of five days from the posting of the result to allow any errors to be noted and corrected. The group will be created if at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes are received, with at least 2/3 of the valid votes in favor. If both the 100 vote margin and 2/3 majority are not met, the group will not be created. -------------------------------------------------------------- List of voter names and addresses to date - March 3, 1993 Mark Atwood [email protected] Bill Barbiaux [email protected] Gary P. Barnas [email protected] Whitney Bischoff [email protected] Alan Bleier [email protected] Heather Bloom [email protected] Andy Brager swc!wndrsvr!wndrsvr.la.ca.us!andyb Gerhard Brauer [email protected] Dave Carr [email protected] Ernest A. Cline [email protected] Maurizio Codogno [email protected] Martin Czigler [email protected] Odile David [email protected] Bernard Dumka [email protected] Brian Manning [email protected] W. Dockery [email protected] Howard R. Doyle [email protected] S. Dubin [email protected] John P. Duncan [email protected] Allan G. Farman [email protected] Tim Ferguson [email protected] James E. Furguson [email protected] Andrew Finkenstadt [email protected] Jan I. Fox [email protected] Joel Furr [email protected] Jay Gaeta [email protected] Thomas D. Gasser [email protected] Daniel Gidez [email protected] David E. Goggin dt4%[email protected] Mirsad Hadzikadic [email protected] Mike Hatz [email protected] Paul Hodgkinson [email protected] Michael Holloway [email protected] Edward J. Huff [email protected] Michael A Johnston maj%[email protected] Barry T. Jones [email protected] V. "Juggy"Jagannathan [email protected] Antero Julkunen [email protected] Roland Kaltefleiter [email protected] Mark D. Kline [email protected] Paul Knight [email protected] Barry Krawchuck bdk01@albnydh2 Michelle Koblas [email protected] Stu Labovitz [email protected] Stephen Lau [email protected] John R. Lewis [email protected] Allan Levy [email protected] Bob Lummis [email protected] Gary Malet [email protected] Will Marchany [email protected] Michael L. Marrin [email protected] Duncan McRae [email protected] Robin Meter rmeter@unmcvm J. Philip Miller phil@wubios Richard Miller [email protected] Marc Moorcroft @mail.uunet.ca:smarry@zooid Larry Nathanson [email protected] David Nye [email protected] Eric J. Olson [email protected] James O'Meara [email protected] Greg Parham [email protected] Michael Quinn [email protected] Kevin Ray kpr03@albnydh2 M.L. Rhoads [email protected] Steve Robinson [email protected] Herman Rubin [email protected] Avraham Shir-el (Sherman) [email protected] Elihu M. Schimmel [email protected] Joanne Silverstein [email protected] Daniel Starr [email protected] M.J. Stoddard [email protected] David Reeve Sward [email protected] Bruce Teeter [email protected] Patrick Tufts [email protected] Goyta F. Villela [email protected] Timothy VanFossen [email protected] John C. vom Lehn [email protected] Weindan [email protected] Gregory Woodbury [email protected] Bob Yazz @orchard.la.locus.com:[email protected] -- Donald F. Parsons MD, Wadsworth Ctr. Rm C273, NY State Dept of Health, ESP, PO Box 509, Albany, NY 12201-0509. (518)474-7047 Fax: (518)474-7992 UseNet: [email protected]; Internet: [email protected] Moderator: [email protected] (Consulting by hospital Networks) From [email protected] Mon Mar 29 20:41:07 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (D Parsons) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.med Subject: RESULT: sci.med.telemedicine passes 279:20 Followup-To: news.groups Date: 26 Mar 1993 11:10:21 -0500 Organization: State University of New York at Albany Lines: 346 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3391 news.groups:68550 sci.med:56142 Final Vote Tally for sci.med.telemedicine: The Vote PASSES. Acknowledgement of the Voters STATUS: unmoderated CHARTER: Discussion of computer networks that connect between hospitals and/or physician's offices, including international linkages between medical facilities in different countries. Subjects will include hardware and software for such networks, increased use of networks for transmission of text and image patient data, and help in use of e-mail for medical purposes. VOTES: The voting period of 30 days ended at 23:59:59 GMT on 25 day of March 1993. Votes arriving after this date were not included. The vote passes if there are at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes and if 2/3 (67%) of the valid votes in favor. The result was: 279 YES votes and 20 NO votes. or, 259 YES votes more than NO votes. and, 93% of the valid votes in favor. Hence the vote PASSES. There will now be a 5 day waiting period to allow for any corrections to the vote tally and to receive any serious objections. (Send these to the proposer, Donald F. Parsons at either [email protected] or [email protected]). At the end of this period, if there are no objections and the vote is still favorable, sci.med.telemedicine will be created. N.B. At some time in the near future, the group will be linked to the bitnet list hspnet-l@albnydh2. This will be announced on sci.med.telemedicine and hspnet-l. ------------------------------------------------------ ** List of YES votes, names and addresses: Sigmund Akselsen [email protected] Jacquelin Aldridge [email protected] Geogre Alexandridis [email protected] Theodoros Arvanitis [email protected] Mark Atwood [email protected] Lucian Bachner-Lab. [email protected] Bill Barbiaux [email protected] A. Bartzokas [email protected] Gary P. Barnas [email protected] Charlie Barr [email protected] Cameron R. Bass [email protected] Dennis Bayomi [email protected] Paul J. Benkeser [email protected] Gary Berg-Cross [email protected] Scott Berlon [email protected] Thomas P. Bleck [email protected] Giovanni Bortolian [email protected] Whitney Bischoff [email protected] Alan Bleier [email protected] Larry Bleiweise [email protected] Heather Bloom [email protected] Andy Brager swc!wndrsvr!wndrsvr.la.ca.us!andyb Urmo Braun [email protected] Gerhard Brauer [email protected] Michael Brian [email protected] Peter Bryner [email protected] Buchanan [email protected] Juergen Buntrock [email protected] Ron Burnett [email protected] Daniel Burstein [email protected] Manish Butte [email protected] Ric Canale [email protected] Carlson [email protected] Juleen A. Cavanaugh [email protected] Jason Chao [email protected] Jean-Luc Chatelain [email protected] J.I. Quip Chen [email protected] Hong Chen [email protected] Christopher Chute [email protected] Artur Cideciyan [email protected] Maurizio Codogno [email protected] Cologlu [email protected] Trevor Cradduck [email protected] Bruce Curran [email protected] Martin Czigler [email protected] Aninda Gasgupta [email protected] M. Dab [email protected] Odile David [email protected] Dick Dean hssdean@ouaccvmb Brian M. Delaney [email protected] W. Dockery [email protected] David Dodell [email protected] Gordon Dooley [email protected] Franco Dosio [email protected] Howard R. Doyle [email protected] S. Dubin [email protected] John P. Duncan [email protected] Bernard Dumka [email protected] Ramon El-Bacha [email protected] Michael A. Ellrott mae01@albnydh2 Dirk Emmel [email protected] Rolf Engelbrecht [email protected] W. Scott Erdley c080gwn6@ubvm Torie Estephan estephan@ukanvm Elizabeth Evans [email protected] Carlene J. Ewalt [email protected] Ayman Fadel [email protected] Farmacologica [email protected] Allan G. Farman [email protected] Tim Ferguson [email protected] Mike Fessler [email protected] David Fewings [email protected] Aaron S. Field u35162@uicvm Jeffrey P. Field [email protected] Frode Flaegstad [email protected] Lawrence Foard [email protected] Paul Fu [email protected] James E. Furguson [email protected] Jan I. Fox [email protected] Joel Furr [email protected] Jay Gaeta [email protected] Baxter Garcia [email protected] Ben Gardiner [email protected] Donna Garfield [email protected] Federico Gattorno [email protected] Bob Geer [email protected] Peter-Ch Gentz [email protected] Daniel Gidez [email protected] Tony Gilmer [email protected] Eric Gingold [email protected] David E. Goggin dt4%[email protected] Robert Golub [email protected] Dennis H. Grant [email protected] Mark A. Gunnell [email protected] Hong Guo [email protected] Mirsad Hadzikadic [email protected] Patricia Haesler [email protected] Susan R. Hagan [email protected] Gail M. Hall [email protected] P. Hamly [email protected] Horst Hansen [email protected] Gjermund Hartviksen [email protected] James Harrison [email protected] Mike Hatz [email protected] David Haynor [email protected] Peter Hauke [email protected] C.P. Herbst [email protected] Ramon F. Herrera [email protected] Hoang Tran-Dinh [email protected] John W. Hober [email protected] Paul Hodgkinson [email protected] Carleton Hogan [email protected] Michael Holloway [email protected] Paul Hope [email protected] Edward J. Huff [email protected] R. Kent Hutson [email protected] Mark Huth [email protected] Hitesh J. Jasani [email protected] Janovsky [email protected] V.Michael J Jelinek [email protected] R. Eugene Johnston [email protected] Michael A Johnston maj%[email protected] Gudmundur S. Jokulsson [email protected] Barry T. Jones [email protected] V. "Juggy"Jagannathan [email protected] Curt Jorenby [email protected] Antero Julkunen [email protected] Robert B. Kelly [email protected] Margery Keppel [email protected] Frode Kileng [email protected] Lawrence W. Killen [email protected] Mark D. Kline [email protected] Bruce Klopfenstein [email protected] Paul Knight [email protected] Julia Shaw Kokot [email protected] Tronde A. Kongsli [email protected] George Kovaks [email protected] Barry Krawchuck bdk01@albnydh2 Michelle Koblas [email protected] Hsing-Tsu Lai [email protected] Carl Landis [email protected] Marjorie Lazoff [email protected] George LeBlanc [email protected] Harold Lehman [email protected] John Leslie [email protected] John R. Lewis [email protected] James E. Levin jlevin@simvax Allan Levy [email protected] Andrea Lieberherr [email protected] Bill Lord [email protected] Bob Lummis [email protected] Jacek Maitan [email protected] J. Maurice Mahan [email protected] Louis E. Mahoney [email protected] Gary Malet [email protected] Robert Manning [email protected] Will Marchany [email protected] Charles D. Marcotta [email protected] Michael L. Marrin [email protected] Glen Martin [email protected] Maxwell [email protected] Jim McCord 3060jjm%[email protected] Ed NcGuire [email protected] Michael Q. McHenry [email protected] G. McKenna [email protected] Duncan McRae [email protected] Robin Meter rmeter@unmcvm P.D.S. [email protected] J. Philip Miller phil@wubios A.C. Mills [email protected] Alex Milshteyn [email protected] Dimitris Mitrakos [email protected] Jochen R. Moehr [email protected] Richard L. Morin [email protected] Joyce Morris [email protected] Ignatz Mouse [email protected] Larry Nathanson [email protected] Nease [email protected] Fritz Nuernberg [email protected] Rusty Novotny novotny%[email protected] David Nye [email protected] Jim Oberwetter [email protected] Wolfgang Obst [email protected] Karl-Ake Omnell [email protected] James D. Oliver III [email protected] Nora Oliveri @[email protected][email protected] George Oser george=oser@msb@fpcm T. Ostbye [email protected] James O'Meara [email protected] Sandra Miller [email protected] Michelle Murrain [email protected] J. Packer [email protected] John Palkovic [email protected] Paul Palmer [email protected] Jerzy M. Paprocki jmpapro@plbial11 Greg Parham [email protected] Grace Patterson [email protected] Ann H. Peden [email protected] Mark D. Phillips [email protected] Chetan Premani [email protected] Michael Quinn [email protected] R. Bruce Rakes [email protected] Kevin Ray kpr03@albnydh2 Ramesh Ravula [email protected] David Ranson [email protected] Jeremy Rashbass [email protected] Alfred Reid [email protected] M.C. Rendina [email protected] Dave Remien [email protected] M.L. Rhoads [email protected] Steve Richeimer [email protected] Elvind Rinde [email protected] Wes Rishell [email protected] Mary E. Rives [email protected] Steve Robinson [email protected] Paul Robinson [email protected] Brian Rosen [email protected] Herman Rubin [email protected] Sabbatini [email protected] Victor M. Riefkohl [email protected] Hom Sack [email protected] Henni Saiah [email protected] Chitima K. Saipetch [email protected] Bordin Sampsomboon [email protected] Jesus E. Sanchez-Pena [email protected] Dale Sansing [email protected] B.K. Sathya [email protected] Monika Seidelmann [email protected] Michel T. Semertzidis [email protected] Avraham Shir-el (Sherman) [email protected] Elihu M. Schimmel [email protected] Gustav A. Schulze [email protected] John R. Searle [email protected] Leon Shugrue [email protected] Robert Sideli [email protected] Joanne Silverstein [email protected] Scott C. Simmons [email protected] Gordon Spoelhof [email protected] Rick Stahlhut [email protected] Joachim Steffens [email protected] Dimitris Sotiriou [email protected] Mike South [email protected] M.J. Stoddard [email protected] Dick St.Peters [email protected] Frank Sullivan [email protected] Torbjorn Sund [email protected] David Reeve Sward [email protected] David Talton talton@sparkie Bruce Teeter [email protected] David Tilson [email protected] Cindy Tobias [email protected] Stein O. Toennessen [email protected] Trabouls [email protected] Tony Travis [email protected] Takashi Tsutsui [email protected] Mark C. Tucker [email protected] Userllea [email protected] Edward Vielmetti [email protected] Goyta F. Villela [email protected] Lars K. Vognild [email protected] John C. vom Lehn [email protected] Wais server operator [email protected] Andre Wajda roos5@darius Barbara Wasson [email protected] Weindan [email protected] Martin S. Weinhouse [email protected] Dave White [email protected] Jim Whiting [email protected] Torsten Wittkugel [email protected] Thomas L. Willoughby [email protected] Brendt Wohlberg [email protected] Amy Wong [email protected] Gregory Woodbury [email protected] GGY92502 [email protected] Bob Yazz [email protected] Weiyun Yu [email protected] Cheung C. Yue [email protected] Pietro Zanarini [email protected] Ondrej Zoltan [email protected] =========================================================== ** List of NO votes, names and addresses: Dave Carr [email protected] Ernest A. Cline [email protected] A.M. Conn [email protected] Andrew Finkenstadt [email protected] Gregory C. Franklin [email protected] Thomas D. Gasser [email protected] Robert Hansen [email protected] Roland Kaltefleiter [email protected] Stu Labovitz [email protected] Stephen Lau [email protected] Marc Moorcroft @mail.uunet.ca:smarry@zooid Richard Miller [email protected] Thomas Nhan [email protected] Eric J. Olson [email protected] Jane Preston [email protected] Charles Sneiderman [email protected] Daniel Starr [email protected] Patrick Tufts [email protected] Stephen C. Trier [email protected] Timothy VanFossen [email protected] ================================================================= End of vote list -- Donald F. Parsons MD, Wadsworth Ctr. Rm C273, NY State Dept of Health, ESP, PO Box 509, Albany, NY 12201-0509. (518)474-7047 Fax: (518)474-7992 UseNet: [email protected]; Internet: [email protected] Moderator: [email protected] (Consulting by hospital Networks)