From [email protected] Wed Sep 8 19:40:47 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Evan Leibovitch) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,biz.univel.misc,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit Subject: RFD: comp.unix.unixware Followup-To: news.groups Date: 8 Sep 1993 16:23:05 -0400 Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto Lines: 61 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4013 news.groups:81085 biz.univel.misc:221 comp.sys.novell:26665 comp.unix.sys5.r4:5091 comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit:4817 This is a formal Request for Discussion for the creation of a Usenet newsgroup for the discussion of issues regarding Unix products of the Novell division known as UnixWare. Proposed Name: -------------- comp.unix.unixware This is a natural placement for a specific company's variant of Unix, and has significant precedent in Usenet (comp.unix.solaris, comp.unix.aix, comp.unix.ultrix, etc.) Similar to these other groups, the UnixWare group's purpose is not to discuss generic Unix issues, rather those are specific to the product line now known as UnixWare. UnixWare is Novell's implementation for Unix System 5 Release 4.2, also known until now as Univel. While it is heavily based on R4.2, UnixWare contains significant enhancements and bundled products not necessarily shared by other licencees of generic System 5. Moderation Status: ------------------ This proposal is for an unmoderated newsgroup. It is anticipated that there would be a two-way news-to-mail gateway at telly.on.ca, maintained for those who do not have Usenet newsreading access. History: -------- The Univel mailing list was created in late winter of 1993. A newsgroup in the 'biz' hierachy (biz.univel.misc) was established August 2nd, with two-way gateway to the list. The mailing list now contains more than 250 names, peaking at more than 350 before the 'biz' group was started. The group is active and growing in numbers. Recently Novell announced its intention to drop the name Univel, and I polled the users of the newsgroup what name it would prefer instead. A large majority of the respondants (more than 70%) specified the newsgroup comp.unix.unixware as their preference, while another 18% expressed a desire to have the new newsgroup somewhere within the comp hierarchy. Procedure: ---------- Discussion is to be held *only* in news.groups. After at least three weeks, I will determine the next course of action which will be either: - Issuance of a Call for Votes on the proposal; - Further discussion; - Withdrawal of the proposal. Thank you. -- Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario [email protected] / uunet!utzoo!telly!evan / (416) 452-0504 If there's someone you can live without .... then do so - The Barenaked Ladies From [email protected] Thu Oct 14 20:50:16 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Dave Cornejo) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,biz.univel.misc,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.windows.x.i386unix Subject: CFV: comp.unix.unixware Followup-To: poster Date: 14 Oct 1993 19:01:13 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 76 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 5 Nov 1993 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID:References: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4158 news.groups:84551 biz.univel.misc:507 comp.sys.novell:28965 comp.unix.sys5.r4:5727 comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit:5156 comp.windows.x.i386unix:4400 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES Unmoderated group comp.unix.unixware Newsgroups line: comp.unix.unixware Discussion about Novell's UnixWare products Votes must be received by 4 Nov 1993, 23:59:59 UTC. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only, contact [email protected]. For questions about the proposed group, contact [email protected] or uunet!utzoo!telly!evan (Evan Leibovitch). A copy of this Call For Votes will be sent to [email protected] after the original Call For Votes appears in news.announce.newgroups. STANDARD VOTING INFO You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to [email protected] (just replying by MAIL to this message should work). Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following statements: I vote YES on comp.unix.unixware or I vote NO on comp.unix.unixware You may add a comment, but anything other than a definite statement involving the group name and "yes", "no", "for", or "against" on a single line may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. Please use the _exact_ and _full_ group name or your vote will be misregistered and may not be properly counted. If you later change your mind you may also use send in an "abstain" vote in the same manner, using "abstain" in place of "yes" or "no". Standard Guidelines for voting apply - one vote per person (not per account). 100 more YES votes than NO votes and 2/3 of all votes being YES are the requirements for group creation. Votes will be acknowledged by email; a list of bounced acknowledgements will be posted with the second Call For Votes. A mass acknowledgement will NOT be posted. You may inquire about the status of your vote by emailing the vote-taker ([email protected]). After the results have been announced a complete list of the votes will be posted in news.groups and will be mailed on request (email requests to [email protected]). The vote-taker can accept no responsibility for improperly configured mailers. CHARTER This newsgroup is designed to be a general-purpose forum for users, developers and resellers of Novell's UnixWare products. Should this proposal succeed it will replace biz.univel.misc. UnixWare is Novell's implementation of Unix System 5 Release 4.2. While it is heavily based on R4.2, UnixWare contains significant enhancements and bundled products not necessarily shared by other licencees of generic System 5. Generic Unix discussions not specifically regarding UnixWare, are still to be directed to the existing group comp.unix.sys5.r4. Discussions regarding technical issues, as well as UnixWare's role in the marketplace, are welcome. Postings from Novell and third-party companies, announcing releases of new products by or supporting UnixWare, are explicitly permitted providing each announcement is only done once and is clearly marked in the "Subject:" line. -- Dave Cornejo There is nothing so subtle Dogwood Media as the obvious Fremont, California From [email protected] Tue Oct 26 17:05:35 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Dave Cornejo) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,biz.univel.misc,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.windows.x.i386unix Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.unix.unixware Followup-To: poster Date: 26 Oct 1993 15:23:44 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 88 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4202 news.groups:85866 biz.univel.misc:580 comp.sys.novell:29639 comp.unix.sys5.r4:5896 comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit:5250 comp.windows.x.i386unix:4649 SECOND (AND LAST) CALL FOR VOTES Unmoderated group comp.unix.unixware Newsgroups line: comp.unix.unixware Discussion about Novell's UnixWare products. Votes must be received by 4 Nov 1993 23:59:59 UTC. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only, contact [email protected]. For questions about the proposed group, contact [email protected] or uunet!utzoo!telly!evan (Evan Leibovitch). A copy of this Call For Votes will be sent to [email protected] after the original Call For Votes appears in news.announce.newgroups. STANDARD VOTING INFO You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to [email protected] (just replying by MAIL to this message should work). Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following statements: I vote YES on comp.unix.unixware or I vote NO on comp.unix.unixware You may add a comment, but anything other than a definite statement involving the group name and "yes", "no", "for", or "against" on a single line may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. Please use the _exact_ and _full_ group name or your vote will be misregistered and may not be properly counted. If you later change your mind you may also use send in an "abstain" vote in the same manner, using "abstain" in place of "yes" or "no". Standard Guidelines for voting apply - one vote per person (not per account). 100 more YES votes than NO votes and 2/3 of all votes being YES are the requirements for group creation. Votes will be acknowledged by email; a list of bounced acknowledgements will be posted with the second Call For Votes. A mass acknowledgement will NOT be posted. You may inquire about the status of your vote by emailing the vote-taker ([email protected]). After the results have been announced a complete list of the votes will be posted in news.groups and will be mailed on request (email requests to [email protected]). The vote-taker can accept no responsibility for improperly configured mailers. CHARTER This newsgroup is designed to be a general-purpose forum for users, developers and resellers of Novell's UnixWare products. Should this proposal succeed it will replace biz.univel.misc. UnixWare is Novell's implementation of Unix System 5 Release 4.2. While it is heavily based on R4.2, UnixWare contains significant enhancements and bundled products not necessarily shared by other licencees of generic System 5. Generic Unix discussions not specifically regarding UnixWare, are still to be directed to the existing group comp.unix.sys5.r4. Discussions regarding technical issues, as well as UnixWare's role in the marketplace, are welcome. Postings from Novell and third-party companies, announcing releases of new products by or supporting UnixWare, are explicitly permitted providing each announcement is only done once and is clearly marked in the "Subject:" line. BOUNCE VOTE ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS: [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] jerrys@holly [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] These votes were registered as of the time of this posting, but acknowledgements to these addresses were returned as undeliverable. -- Dave Cornejo There is nothing so subtle Dogwood Media as the obvious Fremont, California From [email protected] Thu Nov 11 10:22:55 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Dave Cornejo) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,biz.univel.misc,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.windows.x.i386unix Subject: RESULT: comp.unix.unixware passes 338:23 Supersedes: Followup-To: news.groups Date: 10 Nov 1993 15:26:39 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 437 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: References: Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4255 news.groups:87285 biz.univel.misc:735 comp.sys.novell:30716 comp.unix.sys5.r4:6191 comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit:5426 comp.windows.x.i386unix:5134 RESULTS on comp.unix.unixware Vote comp.unix.unixware group vote results - 362 valid votes Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : ------------------------------------------- 338 23 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.unix.unixware 1 abstaining votes and 8 invalid votes Thus, barring any major vote complications, comp.unix.unixware should be created after five days. Newsgroups lines: comp.unix.unixware Discussion about Novell's UnixWare products This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only, contact [email protected]. For questions about the proposed group, contact [email protected] or uunet!utzoo!telly!evan (Evan Leibovitch). CHARTER This newsgroup is designed to be a general-purpose forum for users, developers and resellers of Novell's UnixWare products. Should this proposal succeed it will replace biz.univel.misc. UnixWare is Novell's implementation of Unix System 5 Release 4.2. While it is heavily based on R4.2, UnixWare contains significant enhancements and bundled products not necessarily shared by other licencees of generic System 5. Generic Unix discussions not specifically regarding UnixWare, are still to be directed to the existing group comp.unix.sys5.r4. Discussions regarding technical issues, as well as UnixWare's role in the marketplace, are welcome. Postings from Novell and third-party companies, announcing releases of new products by or supporting UnixWare, are explicitly permitted providing each announcement is only done once and is clearly marked in the "Subject:" line. comp.unix.unixware group vote Final Vote Ack Yes Votes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] (DAVE BONNER) [email protected] (Calvin L. Jones) [email protected] (Ronald L. Bolin) [email protected] (Adam Donnison) [email protected] (Steve Adams) [email protected] (Mr. A.N.D. Cheong) [email protected] (Administrator FT i MS) [email protected] (Alan Strassberg) [email protected] (Alan Coopersmith) [email protected] (Alan Denney) [email protected] (Anderson Richard L) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Alexander Kirpa) [email protected] (anthony b wicks) [email protected] (Arthur Marsh) [email protected] [email protected] (Andreas Vogel) [email protected] (Alexander V. Bystrov) [email protected] (Adrian Wontroba) [email protected] (Bill Ayres - UCS) [email protected] (Frank "Crash" Edwards) [email protected] (Jim Balson) [email protected] (Barrey Jewall) [email protected] [email protected] (Brett Delmage VE3JLG) [email protected] (Belinda Frazier) [email protected] (Bela Lubkin) [email protected] [email protected] (Todd Bernhardt) [email protected] (Robert A. Hyman) [email protected] (Sadati) [email protected] (Bustamam Harun) [email protected] (Bill Hiley) [email protected] (Bill Rosenblatt) [email protected] (Bill Moore) [email protected] (B.J. Herbison) [email protected] (Nancy Perry) [email protected] (Bob LaGesse) [email protected] [email protected] (Brian Beck) [email protected] bryan%[email protected] (B. Althaus) [email protected] [email protected] (Boris Simatovic) [email protected] (Bill Burge) [email protected] (Carl Hunt) [email protected] [email protected] (CAYE Thierry) [email protected] (Chris Bugosh) [email protected] (Cheng Yang) [email protected] (Chet Ramey) [email protected] (Christian Hastedt-Marckwardt) [email protected] (Christopher Horn) [email protected] (Chris Mackerell) [email protected] (Christoph Strozyk) [email protected] (Christer Ohlman) [email protected] (Chris Clark) [email protected] (Chris DelPrete-Delaney) [email protected] (Chua Hak Lien) [email protected] (Chuck Bentley) CRAIG@union_2.su.swin.edu.au (Craig Silva) [email protected] (Christopher R. Hertel) [email protected] (Christian Seyb) [email protected] (Loc T. Le) [email protected] (Chin Huang) [email protected] (Michael P. Cummins) [email protected] (CHARLES C WIGHT) [email protected] (David Barak) [email protected] (dames) [email protected] (Dan Busarow) [email protected] [email protected] (Dan Fritch) [email protected] (David Johnson) [email protected] (Dave Wilbur) [email protected] (David Hwang) [email protected] (Bill Davidsen) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Diomidis Spinellis) [email protected] (Dean W. Bettinger (315/443-1070)) [email protected] (Francisco X DeJesus) [email protected] (Derek L. Schwenke) [email protected] (Donald Foss) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (D. J. 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O'Reilly) [email protected] (Ozzy) [email protected] (Steve Forsythe) [email protected] (Greg Morris) [email protected] [email protected] (Gareth Boulton) [email protected] (Gary Heston) [email protected] (Gavin Shearer) [email protected] (Glenn Chambers) [email protected] [email protected] (Guy Helmer) [email protected] (Gerard Hynes) [email protected] (Glenn Rysko) [email protected] (Glenn Crocker) [email protected] (George Milner) [email protected] (Ralph Betza) [email protected] [email protected] (The Political Crony) [email protected] (Alan Claypool) [email protected] (Greg Lehey) [email protected] (Gerry Tagle) [email protected] (Basalat Ali Raja) [email protected] [email protected] (Winnie-the-Pooh) [email protected] (Scott D Hallock) [email protected] (Scott Hodson) [email protected] (Holger Hoffstaette) [email protected] (Randall W. 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Lingnau) [email protected] (Kenneth Lew) [email protected] [email protected] (arnaud kopp) [email protected] (Kris Hatlelid) [email protected] [email protected] (Martin Schr"oder) [email protected] (Will Hartung - Master Rallyeist) [email protected] (Robert Lenoil) [email protected] (Pean Lim) [email protected] (Mark Linimon) [email protected] (Gerry Swetsky) [email protected] (Lou Dellaverson) [email protected] [email protected] (Luciano Mannucci) [email protected] (Lynn Nielson) [email protected] [email protected] (Marcos Bachir Mubaied) [email protected] (Mark Bennett) [email protected] (Mark Reay) [email protected] (Martin V. Howard) [email protected] [email protected] (Martin Cockerell) [email protected] (Malcolm Mladenovic) [email protected] (Maria B. 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Marsh) [email protected] (Michael Nicolai) [email protected] (Nickolay Saukh) [email protected] (Nore DiNardo) [email protected] [email protected] (Ole Nymoen) [email protected] (Olaf Schneider) [email protected] (Bob Palowoda) [email protected] (Paul Connolly) [email protected] (Paul Wells) [email protected] (Paulo Paiva) [email protected] (Brad Pepers B266-3642 H254-2363) [email protected] (Peter Wemm) [email protected] (Peter J Diaz de Leon) [email protected] (Philip Howard (Computer Services)) [email protected] (Pim Zandbergen) [email protected] (Pete Holsberg) [email protected] (Greg Wright) [email protected] (Pramod Thangali) [email protected] (Carsten "Pressy" Bormann) [email protected] [email protected] (Paul S R Chisholm) [email protected] (Michael J. Quinn) [email protected] (Ray W. Hiltbrand) [email protected] (Raymond Nijssen) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Ronald F. 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Richard Stevens) [email protected] (Rich Thomson) [email protected] (JEFFREY RUFINUS, U.WISCONSIN - CERN) [email protected] (Rune Karlsen) [email protected] (Russell Brown) [email protected] (Ron Wahl) [email protected] (Zamora Rodrigo) [email protected] (hawkeye in Gaza) [email protected] (Scott Drassinower) [email protected] [email protected] (pierre seguret) [email protected] (Serge Koloboff) [email protected] [email protected] (Scott Ferris) [email protected] (Scott Harrison) [email protected] (Iouri SIMERNITSKY) [email protected] (Skip Addison) [email protected] (Aaron Sloman) [email protected] (Kam Sing Tso) [email protected] (Ole Husgaard) [email protected] [email protected] (Sergey P. Mylnikov) [email protected] (Steve Rogers) [email protected] [email protected] (Steven Cherry) [email protected] (Stefan Brandle) [email protected] (Steve Ward) [email protected] (Steve Zwaska) [email protected] [email protected] (Steve Zwaska) [email protected] [email protected] (Siegfried Hirsch) [email protected] (Steven Whitlatch) [email protected] (Stephen W. Thomas) [email protected] (Tan Wea Aik) [email protected] (Dave Parker) [email protected] [email protected] (Doug Teeter) [email protected] [email protected] (Thorsten Kitz) [email protected] (Tim Buck) [email protected] (Tim Wake) [email protected] (Tomislav Zganec) [email protected] (Tom Mooney) [email protected] (Georges Tomazi) [email protected] (Tom Burke) [email protected] (Tom Glover) [email protected] (Toomas Tamm) [email protected] (ITO Toshiyuki) [email protected] (Christian Treber) [email protected] (Timo Rinne) [email protected] (Owen Marks) [email protected] (Thomas W. Brown) tyager%[email protected] [email protected] (Tomas Vanhala) [email protected] (John L. Villalovos) [email protected] (Rick) [email protected] [email protected] (Larry Weeks) [email protected] (Sabine Wolf) [email protected] (James R. Duncan) [email protected] (Qi Xu) [email protected] (Alan Denney) [email protected] (Harry Skelton) No Votes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] (Adrian Corston) [email protected] (Wayne Schlitt) [email protected] (Peter G. Bouillon) [email protected] (Po Shan Cheah) [email protected] (Christer Johansen) [email protected] (David Gurr, Solutions Marketing) [email protected] (David Cameron) [email protected] (David Iain Greig) [email protected] (John R. MacWilliamson) [email protected] (Jon Spelbring) [email protected] (Julian Macassey) [email protected] (Jokinen Jyke) [email protected] (Markus Nullmeier) [email protected] (Mats Wichmann) [email protected] (A. M. Mughal) [email protected] (\"Sendhil \"Mr. Bubbles\" Revuluri\") [email protected] (Richard H. Miller) [email protected] [email protected] (Smarasderagd Draco) [email protected] (Stu Labovitz) [email protected] walra%[email protected] (Waldi Ravens) [email protected] (John Kennedy) Abstaining Votes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] (Lonadar the Wanderer) Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] (Peter A. Wellington) ! Conflicting votes [email protected] (Craig Metz) ! No votes CS06999%[email protected] (CS06999) ! No votes [email protected] (Clarence Dold) ! No votes [email protected] ! No votes [email protected] (Ken Germann) ! Conflicting votes [email protected] (Malcolm Austin) ! No votes [email protected] (Novell EASE Administrator) ! Conflicting votes From [email protected] Wed Mar 22 16:19:45 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Steve Bonine) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.unix.unixware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.sys5.r3,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.sys5.misc,biz.sco.general Subject: CFV: comp.unix.unixware.* Followup-To: poster Date: 22 Mar 1995 15:47:40 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 115 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 13 Apr 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: References: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6482 news.groups:140794 comp.unix.unixware:23832 comp.sys.novell:84633 comp.unix.sys5.r4:11097 comp.unix.sys5.r3:2842 comp.unix.misc:19374 comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit:9579 comp.unix.sys5.misc:803 biz.sco.general:33303 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group comp.unix.unixware.misc moderated group comp.unix.unixware.announce Newsgroups lines: comp.unix.unixware.misc Products of Novell's Unix Systems Group. comp.unix.unixware.announce Announcements related to UnixWare. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 29:59:59 UTC, 12 April 1995. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Steve Bonine . For questions about the proposed group contact Evan Leibovitch . BACKGROUND: Traffic in the existing comp.unix.unixware newsgroup has grown to the point where splitting it into multiple groups has been proposed and endorsed by those readers of the group who participated in a straw poll. Consensus followed that the first 'split' allow a new group to be created in which 'announcements' from users or vendors could be posted, free of side-discussions, in the manner of numerous "announce" newsgroups already existing in the comp.* namespace. CHARTERS and RATIONALES CHARTER FOR comp.unix.unixware.announce: This group is intended To provide a low-noise forum for official announcements from Novell, users and third-parties supporting UnixWare products. Product announcements, listings of events and functions, official statements, availability of archives sites storing UnixWare binaries or documentation, price lists, press releases and position papers are all welcome. Frequently Asked Question (FAQ) files, including but not limited to the extensive UnixWare FAQ maintained by Jim Vlcek, are also welcome. Creation of this group would make the existing UnixWare mailing list gateway easier to manage; it would make useful announcements easier to archive and/or allow different Usenet expiry times vis. the existing group. RATIONALE FOR MODERATION OF comp.unix.unixware.announce: It is intended that this group will be restricted to one-time-only announcements, without discussion. The moderation would merely enforce this simple policy, without being judgemental regarding content or source. All articles posted to this group would include a header re-directing followup discussions of any kind to comp.unix.unixware.misc. Articles will be encouraged to contain an "Archive-Name" header for the benefit of sites with automatic archiving software. The proposed moderator is myself; Evan Leibovitch, creator of the original Univel mailing list and later the newsgroups biz.univel.misc and comp.unix.unixware. Why? Nobody else has come forward during initial discussions. I believe as a UnixWare VAR I ride a reasonable middle ground between Novell and end users, as to be not overly siding with one side or another. Indeed, it seems from this viewpoint that most of the traffic in the newsgroups so far has not been adversarial. I do not consider the moderation of this group to be at all controversial. CHARTER OF comp.unix.unixware.misc: This will be almost identical to the original charter of the group comp.unix.unixware, which itself is derived from biz.univel.misc. This is a general-purpose forum for discussion about products of Novell's Unix Systems Group, primarily its implementation of Unix for PC-architecture systems sold under the name UnixWare. Product announcements and advertisements are now discouraged; postings of this kind should use the new group comp.unix.unixware.announce. RATIONALE FOR RENAMING comp.unix.unixware TO comp.unix.unixware.misc: While the original idea was simply to create a moderated .announce group, David Lawrence has suggested that it is preferable to rename the current group at the same time, thus maintaining a consistent namespace. This will make it easier to create further groups under a comp.unix.unixware.* hierarchy in the future should the need arise. It will also reduce cross-posting and simplify news-system administration. As comp.unix.unixware was gatewayed to the 'univel' mailing list, the comp.unix.unixware.misc will be, also once renamed. 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