From [email protected] Thu Sep 17 09:06:10 1992
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From: [email protected] (David B Stewart)
Subject: RFD: comp.sys.vmebus
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This is a Request For Discussion (RFD) regarding creation of an unmoderated
newsgroup for discussing all aspects of computing related to the VMEbus
and VMEbus-based systems:

    comp.sys.vmebus	   Discussions on hardware and software for VMEbus.


The VMEbus is one of the more popular standards for developing
open-architecture applications based on off-the-shelf hardware.  Many hardware
components, operating systems, and applications are based on this standard, yet
there currently is no USENET group where discussions of this standard,
and related items, are appropriate.

The proposal is to create comp.sys.vmebus as a forum for discussing issues
related to developing VMEbus-based systems.  This includes discussion on the
VMEbus Specification; VMEbus-based hardware, such as CPU boards and I/O devices;
secondary buses such as VSB, VXI, and VMX; open-architecture applications based
on the VMEbus; and hardware-dependent software, such as device drivers and bus
communication protocols.  The group is also available for questions and
answers, so that developers of VMEbus-based hardware and software can get
feedback or help with any problems they may encounter.

Discussions should not be about hardware-independent software which use the
VMEbus, such as the operating system or language being used, as there are other
comp.* newsgroups dedicated to those functions.

The discussion on this proposal will take place in news.groups.

Please see the pertinent postings in news.answers and news.announce.newgroups
for the rules that will be followed in creating a newsgroup
(cf. ).
-- 
David B. Stewart  - email:             The Robotics Institute
snail mail:       - ECE Dept., Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA 15213
Current Projects: - Chimera 3.0 Real-Time Operating System
		  - Reconfigurable Sensor-Based Control Systems

From [email protected] Fri Sep 25 12:22:25 1992
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From: [email protected] (David B Stewart)
Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.sys.vmebus
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This is the 2nd Request for Discussion (RFD) regarding creation of an
unmoderated newsgroup 'comp.sys.vmebus' for discussing all aspects of computing
related to the VMEbus and VMEbus-based systems.

So far the following summarizes what has been discussed on news.groups about
the proposed creation of comp.sys.vmebus:

1- No objections yet.  Some say this newsgroup is long overdue.

2- Naming the newsgroup 'comp.sys.vme' VS. 'comp.sys.vmebus'.
    The shorter name was recommended by one netter, saying that it is a common
    abbreviation.  However, not everyone agrees since VMEbus is the official
    name, and VME is the name of a mainframe operating system.  Based on this,
    I plan on keeping the name 'comp.sys.vmebus' when we have the Call for
    Votes (CFV).

3- One person recommends that the charter of the newgroup be expanded to
    include other buses related to VMEbus, such as Futurebus+.
    Additional discussion on this point is encouraged.  

All discussions should take place in news.groups.

The Call for Votes will occur on Oct. 17 at the earliest, according to the
USENET rules for creating a new newsgroup.  
(cf.  ).

The original Request for Discussion follows:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is a Request for Discussion (RFD) regarding creation of an unmoderated
newsgroup for discussing all aspects of computing related to the VMEbus
and VMEbus-based systems.

comp.sys.vmebus	   Discussions on hardware & software for VMEbus.


The VMEbus is one of the more popular standards for developing
open-architecture applications based on off-the-shelf hardware.  Many hardware
components, operating systems, and applications are based on this standard, yet
there currently is no USENET group where discussions of this standard,
and related items, are appropriate.

The proposal is to create comp.sys.vmebus as a forum for discussing issues
related to developing VMEbus-based systems.  This includes discussion on the
VMEbus Specification; VMEbus-based hardware, such as CPU boards and I/O devices;
secondary buses such as VSB, VXI, and VMX; open-architecture applications based
on the VMEbus; and hardware-dependent software, such as device drivers and bus
communication protocols.  The group is also available for questions and
answers, so that developers of VMEbus-based hardware and software can get
feedback or help with any problems they may encounter.

Discussions should not be about hardware-independent software which use the
VMEbus, such as the operating system or language being used, as there are other
comp.* newsgroups dedicated to those functions.

The discussion on this proposal will take place in news.groups 

Please see the pertinent postings in news.answers and news.announce.newgroups
for the rules that will be followed in creating a newsgroup
().
-- 
David B. Stewart  - email:             The Robotics Institute
snail mail:       - ECE Dept., Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA 15213
Current Projects: - Chimera 3.0 Real-Time Operating System
		  - Reconfigurable Sensor-Based Control Systems

From [email protected] Thu Oct 15 22:08:57 1992
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From: [email protected] (David B Stewart)
Subject: CFV: comp.arch.bus.vmebus
Keywords: VMEbus
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This is a Call for Votes for the creation of a new newsgroup for discussing
VMEbus systems and related topics. The specifics of the proposed newsgroup are
given below, followed by the voting intructions and rules.


    Name:	comp.arch.bus.vmebus

    Purpose:    Discussions of hardware and software for VMEbus Systems.

    Status:	Unmoderated

    Charter:    The newsgroup 'comp.arch.bus.vmebus' is a forum for discussing
		issues related to developing VMEbus-based systems.  This
		includes discussion of VMEbus-based hardware, such as CPU
		boards and I/O devices; the VMEbus specification; any alternate
		or secondary buses supported by the VMEbus International Trade
		Association (VITA) which includes FutureBus+, VSB, VXI, and
		VMX; open-architecture applications based on the VMEbus; and
		hardware-dependent software, such as device drivers and bus
		communication protocols.  The group is also available for
		questions and answers, so that developers of VMEbus-based
		hardware and software can get feedback or help with any
		problems they may encounter.

		Discussions should not be about hardware-independent software
		which use the VMEbus, such as the operating system or language
		being used, as there are other comp.* newsgroups dedicated to
		those functions.


Voting Instructions:

    All votes should be sent to .
    Be sure to include the word "vote" in the subject line.

    If you want the group 'comp.arch.bus.vmebus' to be created, 
    include the text:

	"I vote YES for the creation of comp.arch.bus.vmebus."

    If you feel the group 'comp.arch.bus.vmebus' should not be created, 
    include the text:

	"I vote NO for the creation of comp.arch.bus.vmebus."


Voting Rules:

    - One vote per person. If you vote more than once, only the *last* of 
	those votes will count.  Therefore if you change your mind about
	the vote, you can send a new vote, which invalidates the old vote,
	as long as it is within the voting period.

    - Ambiguous votes will be invalidated.
	Ambiguous votes contain neither YES nor NO, or contain both,
	or are conditional, such as "I vote ... if ..."

    - Votes posted to any newsgroup will NOT be counted.

    - According to the USENET rules, in order for the new group to be created,
	at least 2/3 of the votes must be "YES", and there must be at least 100
	more "YES" votes than "NO" votes.

    - For more details on the voting rules being followed, refer to article
	 in news.announce.newgroups.

Voting period:

    Votes will be collected for a period beginning when this CFV is approved
    for publication in news.announce.newgroups and ending at midnight on
    Tuesday November 10, 1992.  Votes received after the expiration of the
    voting period will be discarded.

From [email protected] Wed Nov  4 10:19:50 1992
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From: [email protected] (David B Stewart)
Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.arch.bus.vmebus
Keywords: VMEbus
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This is the second (and final) Call for Votes for the creation of a new
newsgroup for discussing VMEbus systems and related topics. The specifics of
the proposed newsgroup are given below, followed by the voting intructions and
rules.


    Name:	comp.arch.bus.vmebus

    Purpose:    Discussions of hardware and software for VMEbus Systems.

    Status:	Unmoderated

    Charter:    The newsgroup 'comp.arch.bus.vmebus' is a forum for discussing
		issues related to developing VMEbus-based systems.  This
		includes discussion of VMEbus-based hardware, such as CPU
		boards and I/O devices; the VMEbus specification; any alternate
		or secondary buses supported by the VMEbus International Trade
		Association (VITA) which includes FutureBus+, VSB, VXI, and
		VMX; open-architecture applications based on the VMEbus; and
		hardware-dependent software, such as device drivers and bus
		communication protocols.  The group is also available for
		questions and answers, so that developers of VMEbus-based
		hardware and software can get feedback or help with any
		problems they may encounter.

		Discussions should not be about hardware-independent software
		which use the VMEbus, such as the operating system or language
		being used, as there are other comp.* newsgroups dedicated to
		those functions.


Voting Instructions:

    All votes should be sent to .
    Be sure to include the word "vote" in the subject line.

    If you want the group 'comp.arch.bus.vmebus' to be created, 
    include the text:

	"I vote YES for the creation of comp.arch.bus.vmebus."

    If you feel the group 'comp.arch.bus.vmebus' should not be created, 
    include the text:

	"I vote NO for the creation of comp.arch.bus.vmebus."


Voting Rules:

    - One vote per person. If you vote more than once, only the *last* of 
	those votes will count.  Therefore if you change your mind about
	the vote, you can send a new vote, which invalidates the old vote,
	as long as it is within the voting period.

    - Ambiguous votes will be invalidated.
	Ambiguous votes contain neither YES nor NO, or contain both,
	or are conditional, such as "I vote ... if ..."

    - Votes posted to any newsgroup will NOT be counted.

    - According to the USENET rules, in order for the new group to be created,
	at least 2/3 of the votes must be "YES", and there must be at least 100
	more "YES" votes than "NO" votes.

    - For more details on the voting rules being followed, refer to article
	 in news.announce.newgroups.

Voting period:

    Votes will be collected until Tuesday November 10, 1992.  Votes received
    after the expiration of the voting period will be discarded.

From [email protected] Fri Nov 13 07:59:10 1992
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From: [email protected] (David B Stewart)
Subject: RESULT: comp.arch.bus.vmebus passes 227:19
Keywords: VMEbus
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Below is the result of votes received in the comp.arch.bus.vmebus
new group vote as of 00:01 EST  11 November 1992.

Vote Tabulation:

	258 votes received
	 12 simple duplicates reduced to one each

	 19 no
	227 yes
	-------------
	246 total

	227 yes
      -  19 no
	-------------
	208 margin  (more than 100 more yes than no!)

	227 / 246 = 0.920 = 92.0%  (more than 2/3 [67%] in favor!)

Having met the declared criteria, it appears that the vote for
comp.arch.bus.vmebus has passed.

The list of voters, grouped by how they voted, and sorted by the "From:" line
of their email, appears below.  If there are no substantial changes to the
recorded votes within the 5 days from the posting of this article, the group
creation message will be issued by David Lawrence ([email protected]).

During the vote, 4 ambiguous ballots were received (with no indication of yes
or no in the headers or the message.) Simple email informing the voter that the
votes could not be counted were sent, and in each case a new valid vote
was sent by the voter.

Thanks to everyone who voted, and I look forward to some interesting
discussions in the future.

					David B. Stewart
					


No votes (19)
=============================================================
AH Al_ashaab 
Charles Shub 
Eric J. Olson  [2 votes reduced to 1]
Gerry Roston 
Jon Lin 
Sven M. Heinicke  [2 votes reduced to 1]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Austin G. Hastings)
[email protected] (James Barrett)
[email protected] (Joe Brandt))
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Paul Eggert)
[email protected] (Ed McGuire)
[email protected] (Gregory G. Woodbury)
[email protected] (Mike Park)
[email protected] (Murray Nesbitt) [2 votes reduced to 1]
[email protected] (Richard H. Miller)
[email protected] (Mikael Parknert)

Yes Votes (227)
==============================================================
[email protected]
Anay S. Panvalkar 
Andre Somberg 
Andy Jackson 
Bob Foery 
Bob Herlien 
[email protected]
Brian Carlton 
Brian Palmer 
Brian e. Batson 
Christoph Eck 
[email protected]
DONALD MACKELLAR 
David Lee 
[email protected]
Denis Poussart 
Edgar Perez 
Edward McClanahan 
Einar Sjaavik 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Florian Wohlgemuth)
Glenn Kasten 
HOGLE RICHARD A 
Henning Pangels 
James McIntosh 
James Olsen 
Jan Ekkel 
Jian Huang 
Jim Cockrell @ NSI 
Joe Weintraub 
John Heimbold 
John Sauter 
John M. Jourdain 
Jon Kieffer 
Jurriaan Vreeburg 
Kai Atle Myrvang 
Klaus Rennecke 
[email protected] (Larry Anglin)
Mark Williams 
Mark Wuest 
Markus Traber 
Matthieu Herrb 
Meindert Kuipers 
Michael M. O'Dorney 
Michael Quinn 
Ninane%[email protected]
Oded Ravid  [2 'yes votes reduced to 1]
[email protected] [2 'yes votes reduced to 1]
Paul Wilkinson 
Paul Qualtrough 
Pete Lyall 
Phil Kester 
Pirawat Watanapongse  [2 'yes' votes reduced to 1]
Reidar Strand 
Remko van Driel 
Rene Leiva 
[email protected]
Robert J. Docktor 
Rolf Dietze 
Ron Fox 
[email protected]
Sean Quinlan 
Sinan Karasu 
Steve Blachman 
Steven King (503) 627-2736 
Stuart Quick 
Sundar Kuttalingam 
Timothy J Chappell 
Venneman John 
Vincent Verleun 
Vuorimaa Petri Kalevi 
Walter E Miller @ NSI 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Alex L. Bangs)
[email protected] (Adams)
[email protected]
[email protected]u (Tony Poyner) [2 'yes votes reduced to 1]
[email protected] (barry n nelson)
[email protected] (Bob Bieszk) [2 'yes votes reduced to 1]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Alan K Biocca)
[email protected] (Bruce M. Walker)
[email protected] (Dietmar Budelsky)
[email protected] (Paul Butler)
[email protected] (Carl Lowenstein)
[email protected] (Alan Cheilek)
[email protected] (Chris Tilt)
[email protected] (Christian Lam)
[email protected] (Gianni Comoretto)
[email protected] (Robert Redfield)
[email protected] (Craig Conway)
crispen <@ada3.ca.boeing.com:[email protected]>
[email protected] (Rodney Cummings)
[email protected] (John Curry)
[email protected] (Brian Curtiss)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Carl Kalbfleisch)
[email protected] (Bill Sheppard)
[email protected] (Daniel R. Kegel)
[email protected] (Dave Peterson)
dawn%[email protected] (Dawn Stewart)
[email protected] (Dave Bruce)
[email protected] (harbison)
[email protected] (Darrell Call)
[email protected] (Dan Ciarlette)
[email protected] (David Kocinski)
[email protected] (Donald R. Newcomb)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Peter Dufault)
[email protected] (Don Wells)
[email protected] (Keith Neufeld)
[email protected] (Erik Plesner)
[email protected] (Albrecht Ernst)
[email protected] (Ed Rolfe)
[email protected] (Mike Geipel)
[email protected] (Ed Faught)
[email protected] (Floyd Miller)
[email protected] (Jens Ebert (69-6305-299))
[email protected] (Theresa Babrauckas)
[email protected] (john galloway) [2 'yes votes reduced to 1]
[email protected] (Ganesan)
[email protected] (Peter Faill)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Gerd Buntkowsky)
[email protected] (Steve Gilbert)
[email protected] (Greogry J. Nawrocki)
[email protected] (Glen Sescila)
[email protected] (Gordon Miller)
[email protected] (Gary Rima)
[email protected] (Gillian Groves)
[email protected] (Gerd Truschinski)
[email protected] (Guy Cole)
[email protected] (Harry Langenbacher)
[email protected] (Ron Heiby)
[email protected] (Heidi Frock)
[email protected] (Jeff Hill)
[email protected] (John Hodapp)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Mike Jablin)
[email protected] (Jaime Edwards)
[email protected] (John C. Peden)
[email protected] (Joe Finnivan)
[email protected] (Jim Horstkotte)
[email protected] (John E. Kreznar)
[email protected] (James D. Moudy)
[email protected] (Joe Smith)
[email protected] (Terry A. Jones)
jpmott%[email protected] (Jon Mott)
[email protected] (John Tillema)
jtwp%[email protected]
[email protected] (Kathryn Fielding)
[email protected] (Douglas Kemp)
[email protected] (Kevin Pammett)
[email protected] (Graulle Christophe)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Steve Lewis)
[email protected]
[email protected] (mark milligan)
[email protected] (Kenneth Mtz. (YONIX))
[email protected] (John Lengeling)
[email protected] (Mustafa Soysal)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Mohan J. Kumar)
[email protected] (Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS)
[email protected] (Mike Oliver)
[email protected] ("Mr. Mike" Passaretti)
[email protected] (Manish S. Vaidya)
[email protected] (David Muir Sharnoff)
[email protected] (Bill Sheppard)
[email protected] (Jeff Myer)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Norbert Nicolay)
[email protected] (G. Pardo-Castellote) [2 'yes votes reduced to 1]
[email protected] (Paul Antoine)
[email protected] (Patrick D. Wolf)
psm%[email protected] (Scot McIntosh)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Robert Belshe)
[email protected] (Raj Shelke)
rice%[email protected] (George Rice)
[email protected] (Rick Spanbauer)
[email protected].ca (Sylvain Riendeau 8573)
[email protected] (Bob McKenzie)
[email protected] (Robert Canik)
[email protected] (Bob Robison)
[email protected] (Glenn Robnett)
[email protected] (Benno Lange)
[email protected] (David Ross) [2 'yes votes reduced to 1]
[email protected]
[email protected] (ruman)
[email protected] (Peter Salerno)
[email protected]
[email protected] (David Sawey)
[email protected] (Seth A. Phillips)
[email protected] (Tian Shen)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Don Slater)
[email protected] (Steve M. Blumenau)
[email protected] ( Steve Broadstone)
[email protected] (Steve Morris)
[email protected] (Steve Rogers)
[email protected] (Flemming Stassen)
[email protected] (Steve Zanoni 5-4325)
[email protected] (Struck)
[email protected] (Stu Labovitz)
[email protected] (Tom Carey)
[email protected] (Ted Eggers)
[email protected] (Andy Thomson)
[email protected] (Richard E. Neitzel)
[email protected] (Tony Mountifield)
[email protected] (Ted Shannon) [2 'yes votes reduced to 1]
[email protected] (A.Lizard)
[email protected] (Joe VanAndel)
[email protected]
[email protected] ( Volker A. Brandt )
ward horner 
[email protected] (Bill Brown) [2 'yes votes reduced to 1]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Don Willey)
[email protected] (John R. Winans)
[email protected] (Isaac Wong)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Bill McDowell)
[email protected] (Dave Wybo)
[email protected] (yoshio nakamura)
[email protected] (Yves Boudreault)

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