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From polari!tronix@beaver.cs.washington.edu Mon Feb 17 23:52:50 1992
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From: polari!tronix@beaver.cs.washington.edu (David Daniel)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups
Subject: New newsgroup proposal
Keywords: proposal, posted
Date: 27 Jan 90 07:34:32 GMT
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I would like to propose the creation of a newsgroup that addresses new developments in the field of telephony as well as novel and creative applications of existing technology.
This field is fairly broad, encompassing ISDN, Simultaneous voice/data, CO switch technology(including but not limited to Centrex) to name a few.
I am a telecomm professional with a local interconnect company (Comtel). I feel that the more I'm keep abreast of new and
emerging technology, the better I'll be able to serve my clients.
I'm thinking the newsgroup might be called: tech.telephony or something like it..
From rdippold@qualcomm.com Thu Aug 12 14:17:40 1993
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From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.fax
Subject: RFD: comp.dcom.telecom.tech
Followup-To: news.groups
Date: 12 Aug 1993 13:38:51 -0400
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Request for Discussion
Unmoderated group comp.dcom.telecom.tech
This will also be submitted to the moderated groups comp.dcom.telecom
and comp.std.wireless. Note followups to news.groups - all discussion
should take place there.
Proposed Charter
This group would cover all general technology aspects of the
telecommunications industry in an unmoderated format. This includes
communications mediums (physical transport, wiring, antennas), control
systems (switches, routing, ATM), wireless systems (AMPS, NAMPS, PCN,
PCS, CDMA, TDMA, GSM), and more (such as the history of the above, and
new advances). It is expected that discussions which begin to focus
on implementation aspects of subjects which are covered by existing
groups would be moved to those groups - for instance, discussion about
Class 3 Fax design specifics would go to comp.dcom.modems.
Background
Currently, the Telecom Digest is gated to Usenet via
comp.dcom.telecom. Readers of this group and alt.dcom.telecom have
expressed a strong interest in a main hierarchy group for informal
technical telecommunications discussion. It is believed that the
existence of such a group will encourage discussions on the subject
that are usefully different from what is currently available, and that
there are enough interested Usenet readers (although we'll see what
the RFD brings).
--
"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure
sign of a diseased mind." -- Terry Pratchett, Eric
From solovay@netcom.com Wed Sep 8 19:41:55 1993
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.fax
Subject: CFV: comp.dcom.telecom.tech
Followup-To: poster
Date: 8 Sep 1993 16:25:57 -0400
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1st CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
Unmoderated group comp.dcom.telecom.tech
Newsgroups line:
comp.dcom.telecom.tech Technical matters relating to telecommunications.
Votes must be recieved by 23:59:59 GMT, 29 Sep 1993.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only, contact <asolovay@geoworks.com>. For questions about
the proposed group, contact the group's proposer, <rdippold@qualcomm.com>.
CHARTER
This group would cover all general technology aspects of the
telecommunications industry in an unmoderated format. This includes
communications mediums (physical transport, wiring, antennas), control
systems (switches, routing, ATM), wireless systems (AMPS, NAMPS, PCN,
PCS, CDMA, TDMA, GSM), and more (such as the history and management of
the above, and new advances). It is expected that discussions which
focus on implementation aspects of subjects which are covered by
existing groups would be discussed in those groups - for instance,
discussion about Class 3 Fax design specifics would go to
comp.dcom.modems.
RATIONALE
Currently, the Telecom Digest is gated to Usenet via
comp.dcom.telecom. Readers of this group and alt.dcom.telecom have
expressed a strong interest in a main hierarchy group for informal
technical telecommunications discussion to supplement the existing
groups. It is believed that the existence of such a group will
encourage discussions on the subject that are usefully different from
what is currently available, and that there are enough interested
Usenet readers.
STANDARD VOTING INFO
You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to
votes@geoworks.com
(just replying by MAIL to this message should work, *if* your
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I vote YES on comp.dcom.telecom.tech
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YES are the requirements for group creation. "ABSTAIN" votes are not
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Every vote will be acknowledged by EMail. The CFV will be repeated
once; the 2d CFV will contain a "bounce-ack", i.e. a list of people
whose ACK messages bounced when I sent them.
--
Andrew Solovay
"What better proof of love can there be than money? A ten-shilling
note showed incontrovertibly just how mad about you a man is."
--- Quentin Crisp
From asolovay@geoworks.com Mon Sep 20 18:30:43 1993
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From: asolovay@geoworks.com (Andrew Solovay)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.fax
Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.dcom.telecom.tech
Supersedes: <comp.dcom.telecom.tech-CFV1@uunet.uu.net>
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Date: 20 Sep 1993 12:00:47 -0400
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2d CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
Unmoderated group comp.dcom.telecom.tech
Newsgroups line:
comp.dcom.telecom.tech Technical matters relating to telecommunications.
Votes must be recieved by 23:59:59 GMT, 29 Sep 1993.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only, contact <asolovay@geoworks.com>. For questions about
the proposed group, contact the group's proposer, <rdippold@qualcomm.com>.
CHARTER
This group would cover all general technology aspects of the
telecommunications industry in an unmoderated format. This includes
communications mediums (physical transport, wiring, antennas), control
systems (switches, routing, ATM), wireless systems (AMPS, NAMPS, PCN,
PCS, CDMA, TDMA, GSM), and more (such as the history and management of
the above, and new advances). It is expected that discussions which
focus on implementation aspects of subjects which are covered by
existing groups would be discussed in those groups - for instance,
discussion about Class 3 Fax design specifics would go to
comp.dcom.modems.
RATIONALE
Currently, the Telecom Digest is gated to Usenet via
comp.dcom.telecom. Readers of this group and alt.dcom.telecom have
expressed a strong interest in a main hierarchy group for informal
technical telecommunications discussion to supplement the existing
groups. It is believed that the existence of such a group will
encourage discussions on the subject that are usefully different from
what is currently available, and that there are enough interested
Usenet readers.
STANDARD VOTING INFO
You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to
votes@geoworks.com
(just replying by MAIL to this message should work, *if* your
newsreader honors the "Reply-To" line in the article header). Votes
sent to other addresses will be discarded. Your mail message should
contain one and only one of the following statements:
I vote YES on comp.dcom.telecom.tech
I vote NO on comp.dcom.telecom.tech
I vote ABSTAIN on comp.dcom.telecom.tech
You may add a comment, but anything other than a definite statement
involving the group name and "yes", "no", "for", or "against" on a
single line may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.
If you later change your mind you may send in another vote, which will
automatically supercede all previous votes. "ABSTAIN" votes serve to
cancel previous votes.
Standard Guidelines for voting apply - one vote per person (not per
account). 100 more YES votes than NO votes and 2/3 of all votes being
YES are the requirements for group creation. "ABSTAIN" votes are not
counted in the above calculation; their only role is to cancel
previous votes.
Every vote will be acknowledged by EMail. The CFV will be repeated
once; the 2d CFV will contain a "bounce-ack", i.e. a list of people
whose ACK messages bounced when I sent them.
Bounce-ACK (as of 9/17/93)
==========
The following peoples vote-acknowledgements bounced when I sent them.
You need not reply; your vote has been counted. (If you would like to
confirm how your vote was counted, send EMail to
asolovay@geoworks.com.)
If you sent your vote on or before Sept. 17, you have not received an
acknowledgement, and you are not listed below, your vote may have been
lost; please resend your vote to <votes@geoworks.com>.
comp.dcom.telecom.tech group vote Bounce Ack List
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192.92.69.12@gsisun.gsi.nic.ddn.mil
caadams@upei.ca
craig@toontown.columbiasc.ncr.com
Herb.Stein.hs7170@zobnsh1.sbc.com
howardm@mentorg.com
kevinc@aspen.nrd.ups.com
michael@vk2bea.UUCP
Mike.Riddle@axolotl.omahug.org
rkrithiv@gangothri.intel.com
schow@sun1.interlan.com
shri@freal.cs.umass.edu
wmartin@stl-06sima.army.mil
xxg1744+@rchland.ibm.com
The following people have sent invalid votes, and have not since
superseded them with valid votes.
comp.dcom.telecom.tech group vote Mass Ack
Votes in error
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cjm@world.std.com Craig J Mathias
! Conflicting votes
GUERTLER@pentagon-hqdadss.army.mil Ken Guertler, AMS, (703)841-5805
! No votes
mlevin@nyx.cs.du.edu Marshall Levin
! Conflicting votes
mmgall@cs1.presby.edu Morris Galloway Jr.
! No votes
persoft@cs.wisc.edu Persoft
! No votes
rdb1@homxb.att.com
! No votes
From asolovay@geoworks.com Tue Oct 5 13:08:40 1993
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From: asolovay@geoworks.com (Andrew Solovay)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.fax
Subject: RESULT: comp.dcom.telecom.tech fails 621:468
Supersedes: <comp.dcom.telecom.tech-CFV2@uunet.uu.net>
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Date: 5 Oct 1993 10:52:49 -0400
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Unmoderated group comp.dcom.telecom.tech
comp.dcom.telecom.tech group vote results - 1093 valid votes
Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
621 468 : No Yes : No : comp.dcom.telecom.tech
4 abstaining votes and 8 invalid votes
This is inadequate for newgroup creation. Therefore, the group will
not be created. Six months must elapse before this groups can be
proposed again.
Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 29 1993.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.
Vote-taker's address: <asolovay@geoworks.com>
Group proponent's address: <rdippold@qualcomm.com>
Newsgroups line:
comp.dcom.telecom.tech Technical matters relating to telecommunications.
CHARTER
This group would cover all general technology aspects of the
telecommunications industry in an unmoderated format. This includes
communications mediums (physical transport, wiring, antennas), control
systems (switches, routing, ATM), wireless systems (AMPS, NAMPS, PCN,
PCS, CDMA, TDMA, GSM), and more (such as the history and management of
the above, and new advances). It is expected that discussions which
focus on implementation aspects of subjects which are covered by
existing groups would be discussed in those groups - for instance,
discussion about Class 3 Fax design specifics would go to
comp.dcom.modems.
comp.dcom.telecom.tech group vote Final Vote Ack
Yes Votes
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0005066432@mcimail.com Tansin A. Darcos & Company
0005517538@mcimail.com Dan L. Dale
0005946880@mcimail.com David Appell
75018241@vax1.dcu.ie J.P.MURPHY, SCHOOL OF COMPUTER APPLICATIONS, D.C.U.
76703.407@compuserve.com Scott Loftesness
92700454@vax1.dcu.ie Somhairle Foley
92700977@vax1.dcu.ie MICHAEL J. HAYES
A.deVos@research.ptt.nl Aart de Vos
aa393@freenet.carleton.ca Ramesh Fernando
acorn@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de Kai Schlichting
adamsd@crash.cts.com
Ajith_S_Mekkoth@engr.usask.ca
alan@dadd.ti.com Alan Hales
alarm@access.digex.net James Van Houten
albert@brahms.insl.mcgill.ca Albert Pang
alex@spook.ee.mcgill.ca A. Okapuu-von Veh
AlterNet@cup.portal.com
ambient@netcom.com Joseph Rice
amdunn@adscorp.on.ca Andrew M. Dunn
analog@sutro.sfsu.edu Anthony Yee
andrewsc@kralizec.zeta.org.au Andrew Schonberger
andrys@netcom.com Andrys D Basten
Andy.Behrens@coat.com Andy Behrens
andy@vistachrome.com Andrew Finkenstadt
andyb@wndrsvr.la.ca.us Andy
andys@internet.sbi.com Andy Sherman
anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Anthony J Stieber
ao944@yfn.ysu.edu Jack Decker
aplus@guest.apple.com Alfred Martinez
ARD@siva.bris.ac.uk PDP11 Hacker .....
arobson@cyberspace.com Andrew Robson
asente@mv.us.adobe.com A Usenet Pal
asimola@vipunen.hut.fi Antti Simola
ataiyabi@mail.vt.edu Asif Taiyabi
avogadro@well.sf.ca.us Michael D. Sullivan
aw2t+@andrew.cmu.edu Alex R.N. Wetmore
awuolle@beta.hut.fi Ari Wuolle
az@sxb.bsf.alcatel.fr #Alban ZIMMERMANN
azure@mozart.ccl.itri.org.tw Azure J. Lin
babb@cfaitamp.harvard.edu Jim Babb
bac@netcom.com Brian Court
bailey@casbah.acns.nwu.edu - -
bakerj%postoffice.agcs.com@agcs.com Jon Baker
barnett@zeppelin.convex.com Paul Barnett
bb@generali.harvard.edu Brent Byer
bcapps@adcmail.atlas.com Brent Capps
bdboyle@maverick1.erenj.com Bryan D. Boyle
bde@halcyon.com Bruce D. Elliott
ben@nj8j.atl.ga.us Ben Coleman
benj@fms.com Ben J. Hallock
bergonz@keeper.sublink.org Michele Bergonzoni
berry@kermit.csd.scarolina.edu Berry Mobley
BEWELL@lando.hns.com BRIAN
bieluc@hotsun.nersc.gov Brian Bieluch
Bill.Berbenich@atl.pactel.com Bill Berbenich
Bill.Rohde@telematics.com Bill Rohde
billy@mix.com
bj@herbison.com B.J. Herbison
bkravitz@vtel.com
blake@aimla.com Blake Senftner
bob@gmh.edu Bob LaPorte
boo@netcom.com Bo Orloff
borchers@prism.nmt.edu Brian Borchers
bote@access.digex.net John Boteler
boulton@netcom.com David A. Boulton
brettf@netcom.com Brett Frankenberger
brian@audiofax.com Brian TroxeLL
brian@lcc1.nsc.com Brian Marley
bruce@totsyssoft.com Bruce Gingery
brucej@tau-ceti.isc-br.com Bruce Jorgens
bryant@mprgate.mpr.ca Nick Bryant
burggrt@ucunix.san.uc.edu Todd Burggraf
C.Reindorf@fulcrum.co.uk Charles Reindorf
caadams@upei.ca kenny adams
cactus@clinton.com L. Todd Masco
caking@srv.pacbell.com Christopher King
carlos@dorsai.dorsai.org
carr@smtp.esl.com John Carr
cathy@octel.com Cathy Kearns
cathyf@is.rice.edu Catherine Anne Foulston
ccs3@columbia.edu Chih-Ping C Sobelman
cdaata@taux01.nsc.com David Almagor
celoni@columbia.edu Jim Celoni
cestep@panix.com Chris Estep
cfu370@eta.ece.cmu.edu Carrson Fung
cgodfrey@gte.com
champlin@nsl.dec.com Virgil Champlin
charles@acc.com Charles Carvalho
cheilek@cholera.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com Alan Cheilek
chip@chinacat.unicom.com Chip Rosenthal
chonoles@acc.vf.ge.com Chonoles Michael Jesse
Chris.Davies@f500.n109.z1.fidonet.org Chris Davies
chris@spandau.bit.com Chris Kennedy
chris@tali.hsc.colorado.edu Chris "root@tali" Yoder
chrish@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com Chris Hughes
chuck@cmhcsys.com Chuck Stickelman
cks@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu Chris Siebenmann
clark@hornet.hornet.mn.org Clark B. Pansch
clements@diamond.bbn.com Bob Clements
clemmons@raiders.esl.com Robert C. Clemmons
cmcsween@compapp.dcu.ie
cmer@zeus.datasrv.co.il Mer Industries
CNBR73%VAXB.STRATHCLYDE.AC.UK@ib.rl.ac.uk F.ANWAR
coburn@gec-mi-at.co.uk Martin Coburn
conmey@ivory.rtsg.mot.com Raymond Conmey
crosby@ucsu.colorado.edu Matthew Crosby
csc.mckinsey.com!claman@eddie.mit.edu
csc@malone.austin.ibm.com Chris Cheyney
curtis@ebs.com Curtis G. Hartman
cuz@cs.brandeis.edu Brandon Magee
cyberpro@netcom.com
D.W.Wright@bnr.co.uk
dansachs@panix.com Dan Sachs
darren@instar.cuc.ab.ca Darren G. Holloway
darrin@athena.mit.edu
daryl@tcomeng.com Daryl Jones
dave@racer.enet.dec.com Dave Lyons
daveb@xetron.com Dave Barringer
david@josephson.com David Josephson
davidg@netcom.com David Guntner
davidsen@tmr.com Bill Davidsen
dawkins@bnr.ca Spencer (P.S.) Dawkins
dbonney@wang.com Dave Bonney
dbrownd@sugar.neosoft.com Damon Brownd
ddanz@zircon.sw.stratus.com Dan Danz
ddb@anubis.network.com David Dyer-Bennet
ddillon@craywr.cray.com Dave Dillon
declrckd@panther.rtsg.mot.com Dan J. Declerck
deej@goofy.att.com
dennis@mojave.ati.com Dennis Hatfield
Derek@tdkt.kksys.com Derek Oldfather
devalla@linkji.tamu.edu Badarinath Devalla
dflowers@caltech.edu Dave Flowers
dfrankel@ssesco.com
dgb2@bunny.gte.com Daniel G. Borkowski
dgc@ccrwest.org David G. Cantor
dhesi@rahul.net Rahul Dhesi
diessel@informatik.unibw-muenchen.de Thomas Diessel
dirk@music.en.open.de Dirk Vanoucek
DITTMAN@skitzo.dseg.ti.com Eric Dittman
djb@mailer.fsu.edu David Brightbill
djw@eff.org Daniel J. Weitzner
dkurtiak@tweel.attmail.com dkurtiak
dl@gauss.att.com
dlm@swdesign.ci.net Dave Maddox
dlr@daver.bungi.com Dave Rand
dmc@austin.ibm.com Dave McCracken
dmurphy@cwa.com Dan Murphy
dogcow@ccs.neu.edu Tom 'moof' Spindler
don.jackson@clark-comm.com Don Jackson
donald.baker@gte.sprint.com
Donaldc@cyclops.equinox.gen.nz Donald Campbell
dorst@crl.com Steven J Dorst
doug@montage.oau.org Doug Swallow
dougw@as.arizona.edu Doug Williams
dp@world.std.com Jeff DelPapa
driever@sun1.is.battelle.org Jeff Driever
dsinclai@compapp.dcu.ie David Sinclair
duncan@ravel.ati.com Jim Duncan
durga@gremlin.ece.cmu.edu Durga Satapathy
dustin@pictel.com Dustin Clampitt
edc@ee.ubc.ca
edg@netcom.com Ed Greenberg
edhall@ives.rand.org Ed Hall
eds@mtdcr.att.com
edw@wells.wells.com Edward E. Wells Jr.
ee@lever.com Edward Elhauge
eedste@aachen.ericsson.se Stefan Eissing
efbasham@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com Everett Fred Basham
efwjr@pdn.paradyne.com Ellsworth Warmouth
egg@inuxy.att.com
EKLUND@uazhe0.physics.arizona.edu Mike Eklund
ekr@eit.com Eric Rescorla
elandal@archtwr.tower.nullnet.fi Ismo Peltonen
electro!carlo@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca Carlo Sgro
eli@cisco.com Steve Elias
ELLIS_LEONARD@tandem.com
elm@cs.berkeley.edu
elmo@netcom.com Eliot Moore
emcguire@intellection.com Ed McGuire
emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
emv@garnet.msen.com Edward Vielmetti
eric@monad.missouri.edu Eric Edwards
erickson@well.sf.ca.us Roddy Erickson
Erik@tdkt.kksys.com Erik Jacobson
ers@cbstp1.att.com
etxmsa@solsta.ericsson.se Magnus Alburg LG/TF
everett@sugar.neosoft.com Everett Thompson
exualan@exu.ericsson.se Alan Malkiel
exukev@exu.ericsson.se Kevin Autrey
exulibe@exu.ericsson.se Curtis Libey
eyetrak@sbcs.sunysb.edu Eye Tracking Project
fasttech!zeke@uu4.psi.com Bohdan Tashchuk
fbauer@access.digex.net Fred Bauer
fbertsch@msc.cornell.edu
fdf@hplb.hpl.hp.com Fabio De Ferrari
fjl@moscom.com Frank Logosh
floyd@ims.alaska.edu Floyd Davidson
fontaine@sri.ucl.ac.be Alain Fontaine
fowlerc@ucsu.colorado.edu John C. Fowler
frank@twg.com
franklig@gas.uug.arizona.edu Gregory C Franklin
friedl@mtndew.tustin.ca.us Stephen Friedl
g8dzh@g8dzh.demon.co.uk John Ray
gaillard@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca Dominik Gaillardetz
galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu Denis McKeon
gandalf@cs.bu.edu Lou Hennessy
gary@sci34hub.sci.com Gary Heston
gary@vulcan.com gary
garym@rasht.alsys.com Gary Morris @ignite
garys@altai.com Gary Stephens
GAVRON@aces.com Ehud Gavron
ge@inregia.se Goran Edvardsson
george@lust.jpl.nasa.gov George Zimmerman
gilbert@michelob.comm.mot.com Steve Gilbert
girardi@rniil.rni.sub.org Norbert J. Girardi
gix@mdd.comm.mot.com Brian Gix
glas@donau.et.tudelft.nl Jack Glas
gmontgomery@hns.com Guy Montgomery
gmw1@columbia.edu Gabe M Wiener
gnosis@field.ichaos.nullnet.fi Jani Poij{rvi
goedde@math.ohio-state.edu Chris Goedde
goudreau@dg-rtp.dg.com Bob Goudreau
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ungeheuer@frust.enet.dec.com 21-Sep-1993 1031
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val@mitre.org Colin Valentine
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Abstaining Votes
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0003829147@mcimail.com Sander J. Rabinowitz
asolovay@geoworks.com Andrew Solovay
L15D@zfn.uni-bremen.de Martin Schr"oder
lonadar@judy.indstate.edu Lonadar the Wanderer
Votes in error
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cjm@world.std.com Craig J Mathias
! Conflicting votes
ega027@comp.lancs.ac.uk Mr W He
! No votes
GUERTLER@pentagon-hqdadss.army.mil Ken Guertler, AMS, (703)841-5805
! No votes
HUGH@brownvm.brown.edu Hugh D. Meier
! No votes
HZS48467@vax1.utulsa.edu
! No votes
mlevin@nyx.cs.du.edu Marshall Levin
! Conflicting votes
persoft@cs.wisc.edu Persoft
! No votes
shelly@cwis.unomaha.edu Michele Ruth Smith
! No votes
From tale@uunet.uu.net Tue Oct 12 15:08:24 1993
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From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,news.admin.policy,news.admin.misc
Subject: Possible creation of comp.dcom.telecom.tech
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The proposal to create an unmoderated USENET forum for the discussion
of technical matters related to telecommunications was recently
announced as failing its vote by 623 yes to 468 no. It did not meet
the criteria of the "Guidelines for USENET Group Creation" that at
least two thirds of the total votes be in favour of creation. I would
like to send the control message creating this group and add it to the
list of newsgroups which I maintain despite the number of no votes.
I believe this is proper because more than adequate evidence for an
unmoderated telecom group in mainstream USENET has been demonstrated.
However, the moderator of the sole existing mainstream telecom forum
used his position for personal commentary against the proposal, to an
audience which was not accessible by people in favour of the group.
There was no sizable opposition to the proposal voiced on USENET
before it went to vote, or indeed while the vote was in progress, yet
an incredibly large number of votes against it were recorded. Years
of observing these votes leads people very rapidly to the conclusion
that a nontrivial number of the votes in opposition were cast by
people on the moderator's mailing list, who by and large do not use
USENET.
Co-operation and consistency are important parts of managing the
USENET namespace. I will not attempt to create the group if I believe
that it would be poorly connected. If you are a news system
administrator who would not carry this group if I sent the control
message creating it and added it to the list of newsgroups, please
send me your comments. I will earnestly consider well-reasoned and
thoughtfully presented arguments against my so doing. Conversely, I
would also like to hear from those news administrators who would carry
the group.
Thank you for your thoughts on this matter.
David Lawrence, moderator, news.announce.newgroups
From tale@uunet.uu.net Thu Oct 14 20:50:30 1993
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From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
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This message is intended to address my recent suggestion that the
comp.dcom.telecom.tech group be created despite its failing vote result,
and to give an introduction toward ideas I have had for a while
regarding restructuring the Guidelines for USENET Group Creation. I
would like to keep it relatively short, and some people might believe
there are glaring omissions. I hope that all points will be addressed
in the ensuing discussion.
First, I thank everyone who has written to me over the past two days.
Nearly all of the messages that I received were carefully written and
well presented. I'm sorry that I cannot reply individually to all of
them.
The diversity of the mail has been surprising at times. I've got
messages from people who voted for the proposal asking me not to create
it, and messages from those who voted against it remarking that I should
create it. I've got praise from people who are happy to see the spirit
of the Guidelines upheld, and derision from those who would hold me to
the letter of them. I've got more than ample indication that if I did
send the newgroup without further debate that it would be widely
honoured and the group well propagated.
Before I continue, I want to make clear my primary source of bias
regarding USENET group creation. I support the creation of well focused
newsgroups which are not duplicitous. I have yet to oppose a USENET
newsgroup based on its content.
Voting by the hundreds is not a good way to administer a classification
system. "No" votes are not particularly effective at the job they were
intended to do, which was to stop poorly formed proposals. They have
been used to stop groups which should have been created and have not
stopped those which shouldn't. I don't believe that any manner of
playing with the numbers and ratios will resolve this inequity. They
should be abolished.
Namespace management is best served by a small working group who can
help ensure consistency and coherency. The net supported this idea two
years ago when a proposal to use a "trial" process to create groups was
approved by a traditional USENET vote. One of its features was that a
small group of people were to chose the name of the group.
I would like to advance a proposal for new guidelines for group
creation. The essential differences would be to make new group creation
easier and shorter for people interested in the topics to be discussed,
at the cost of not being able to push any name and ill-formed charter
forward.
I will be working on the draft of these Guidelines and submitting them
for discussion in the near future. Please do not start debating these
ideas until you see how they come out in the proposal.
On the specific matter of comp.dcom.telecom.tech, there is an important
factor which led to my message two days ago that people should know. I
have been led to believe that the six month wait would be quite
meaningless. The people who deem themselves the overseers of the "inet"
set of groups would create the unmoderated telecom by fiat, without even
informing fellow news administrators of the intent to do so, based on
the new mailing list which has been created in the aftermath of the
failing vote. The inet groups are a bit of an odd situation, and I
won't burden this article with an explanation of them for those who do
not know the issues behind them. The whole issue puts me in quite a
difficult spot with regard to the sites I administer.
Under the accepted, established precedents used in news.announce.newgroups,
I can invalidate the result of this vote because of the questionable
influence caused by editorials against the proposal being sent to a large
mailing list which was denied access by people submitting proposals in
favour. Mr. Townson has indicated to me that he would allow a special
edition of the digest to be sent to the list which presented both sides
of the issue, which would address that point fairly.
I have no doubt that such a revote would pass, but it isn't really the
point anymore. The result of the comp.dcom.telecom.tech vote is just
setting the stage for improving the policies by which new USENET groups
are considered "valid" by most sites.
David Lawrence
moderator, news.announce.newgroups
From rdippold@qualcomm.com Mon Oct 25 19:20:31 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Special RFD: comp.dcom.telecom.tech
Followup-To: poster
Date: 25 Oct 1993 18:52:07 -0400
Organization: qualcomm.com
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Special Request for Discussion
Unmoderated group comp.dcom.telecom.tech
This will also be submitted to the moderated groups comp.dcom.telecom
and comp.std.wireless.
This is a request for comment for a special edition of the Telecom
Digest, discussing the pros and cons of comp.dcom.telecom.tech from
anyone who wishes to contribute. Send your opinions on the group to
me, I will acknowledge all received submissions with a mail message,
then digestify it and hand it off to the Telecom Digest on Sunday, Oct
31. Again, all points of view are welcome, but keep in mind that
there will be many people wanting a say, so try to be concise.
[[ news.announce.newgroups moderator's note: This is being done to
clear up any doubts that might exist over the influence of heavily
biased commentary against the proposal to an audience which was denied
access by the people in favour. The poll will be reconducted a few
days following publication of the digest. Comments should address
only the actual merits of an unmoderated telecom forum in USENET, and
refrain from vituperation of the personalities involved. ]]
Note the followup to poster. If you wish to discuss this matter
publically, please post under this subject name in news.groups.
Proposed Charter (unchanged)
This group would cover all general technology aspects of the
telecommunications industry in an unmoderated format. This includes
communications mediums (physical transport, wiring, antennas), control
systems (switches, routing, ATM), wireless systems (AMPS, NAMPS, PCN,
PCS, CDMA, TDMA, GSM), and more (such as the history of the above, and
new advances). It is expected that discussions which begin to focus
on implementation aspects of subjects which are covered by existing
groups would be moved to those groups - for instance, discussion about
Class 3 Fax design specifics would go to comp.dcom.modems.
From jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu Thu Nov 11 10:21:37 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.fax
Subject: CFV: comp.dcom.telecom.tech revote
Followup-To: poster
Date: 10 Nov 1993 15:25:40 -0500
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1st CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
Unmoderated group comp.dcom.telecom.tech
Newsgroups line:
comp.dcom.telecom.tech Discussion of technical aspects of telephony.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 GMT, 2 December 1993.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions
only, contact Jay Maynard, jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu. For questions about
the proposed group, contact the group's proposer, Ron Dippold,
rdippold@qualcomm.com.
CHARTER
This unmoderated group would cover all general technology aspects of the
telecommunications industry in an unmoderated format. This includes
communications mediums (physical transport, wiring, antennas), control systems
(switches, routing, ATM), wireless systems (AMPS, NAMPS, PCN, PCS, CDMA, TDMA,
GSM), and more (such as the history of the above, and new advances). It is
expected that discussions which begin to focus on implementation aspects of
subjects which are covered by existing groups would be moved to those groups -
for instance, discussion about Class 3 Fax design specifics would go to
comp.dcom.modems.
In the future this group would hopefully be gatewayed with the Telecom Tech
mailing list <teletech@zygot.ati.com>, which is currently gatewayed with
alt.dcom.telecom. The goal is that this group will complement the existing
comp.dcom.telecom with discussions of greater depth on more limited subject
areas. This CFV is being posted to that mailing list.
If you wish an unabridged duplicate of the special posting which appeared in
comp.dcom.telecom containing arguments for and against comp.dcom.telecom.tech
by interested readers, send mail to rdippold@qualcomm.com and request the
Special Telecom Tech digest.
STANDARD VOTING INFO
You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu
(just replying by MAIL to this posting should work, *if* your
newsreader honors the "Reply-To" line in the article header). Votes
sent to other addresses will be discarded. Your mail message should
contain one and only one of the following statements:
I vote YES on comp.dcom.telecom.tech
I vote NO on comp.dcom.telecom.tech
I vote ABSTAIN on comp.dcom.telecom.tech
I vote CANCEL on comp.dcom.telecom.tech
You may add a comment, but anything other than a definite statement involving
the group name and "yes", "no", "for", or "against" on a single line may be
rejected by the automatic vote counting program. If you later change your mind
you may send in another vote, which will automatically supercede all previous
votes. "ABSTAIN" votes serve only to record that you sent a vote. "CANCEL"
votes remove your name (and vote) from the list of voters. Please don't
include a copy of the whole CFV; I already have one, and it'll just waste disk
space.
Standard Guidelines for voting apply. For the group to be created, 100 more
YES votes than NO votes must be cast, and 2/3 of all valid votes must be YES
votes. "ABSTAIN" votes are not counted in either calculation; their only role
is to cancel previous votes.
Every vote will be acknowledged by EMail. The CFV will be repeated once; the
second CFV will contain a "bounce-ack", i.e. a list of people whose ACK
messages bounced when I sent them. All votes will be listed in the posting
with the results of the vote; this is necessary to allow independent
validation of the vote should a third party choose to do so.
--
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu | adequately be explained by stupidity.
"The road to Usenet is littered with dead horses." -- Jack Hamilton
From jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu Sat Nov 27 00:12:43 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.fax
Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.dcom.telecom.tech revote
Followup-To: poster
Date: 24 Nov 1993 14:27:51 -0500
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers...the knights who say ACK!
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Reply-To: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu
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LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
Unmoderated group comp.dcom.telecom.tech
Newsgroups line:
comp.dcom.telecom.tech Discussion of technical aspects of telephony.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 GMT, 2 December 1993.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions
only, contact Jay Maynard, jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu. For questions about
the proposed group, contact the group's proposer, Ron Dippold,
rdippold@qualcomm.com.
CHARTER
This unmoderated group would cover all general technology aspects of the
telecommunications industry in an unmoderated format. This includes
communications mediums (physical transport, wiring, antennas), control systems
(switches, routing, ATM), wireless systems (AMPS, NAMPS, PCN, PCS, CDMA, TDMA,
GSM), and more (such as the history of the above, and new advances). It is
expected that discussions which begin to focus on implementation aspects of
subjects which are covered by existing groups would be moved to those groups -
for instance, discussion about Class 3 Fax design specifics would go to
comp.dcom.modems.
In the future this group would hopefully be gatewayed with the Telecom Tech
mailing list <teletech@zygot.ati.com>, which is currently gatewayed with
alt.dcom.telecom. The goal is that this group will complement the existing
comp.dcom.telecom with discussions of greater depth on more limited subject
areas. This CFV is being posted to that mailing list.
If you wish an unabridged duplicate of the special posting which appeared in
comp.dcom.telecom containing arguments for and against comp.dcom.telecom.tech
by interested readers, send mail to rdippold@qualcomm.com and request the
Special Telecom Tech digest.
STANDARD VOTING INFO
You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu
(just replying by MAIL to this posting should work, *if* your
newsreader honors the "Reply-To" line in the article header). Votes
sent to other addresses will be discarded. Your mail message should
contain one and only one of the following statements:
I vote YES on comp.dcom.telecom.tech
I vote NO on comp.dcom.telecom.tech
I vote ABSTAIN on comp.dcom.telecom.tech
I vote CANCEL on comp.dcom.telecom.tech
You may add a comment, but anything other than a definite statement involving
the group name and "yes", "no", "for", or "against" on a single line may be
rejected by the automatic vote counting program. If you later change your mind
you may send in another vote, which will automatically supercede all previous
votes. "ABSTAIN" votes serve only to record that you sent a vote. "CANCEL"
votes remove your name (and vote) from the list of voters. Please don't
include a copy of the whole CFV; I already have one, and it'll just waste disk
space.
Standard Guidelines for voting apply. For the group to be created, 100 more
YES votes than NO votes must be cast, and 2/3 of all valid votes must be YES
votes. "ABSTAIN" votes are not counted in either calculation; their only role
is to cancel previous votes.
Every vote will be acknowledged by EMail. This is the repeat posting of the
CFV. Below is a "bounce-ack", i.e. a list of people whose ACK messages bounced
when I sent them. If your name is on that list, your vote has been received
and recorded, and you do not need to vote again. If you have not received an
acknowledgement of your vote, and your name is not on that list, your vote may
have been lost, or the acknowledgement may have been lost in transit; in
either case, you are encouragted to vote again. I will filter out duplicate
votes before performing the final tally. All votes will be listed in the
posting with the results of the vote; this is necessary to allow independent
validation of the vote should a third party choose to do so.
comp.dcom.telecom.tech group vote Bounce Ack List
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dmurphy@cwa.COM
jas@smoke.emsr.att.com
Jessie_Zoldak@ratfax1.lotus.com
maylett@srd.bt.co.uk
NMPUK::PAYTON"@nmpost.nmp.nokia.com
rkh@ucsdev.ucs.att.com
sumeets@diamond.ctd.anl.gov
tadawson@cat.jcp.com
--
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu | adequately be explained by stupidity.
"The road to Usenet is littered with dead horses." -- Jack Hamilton
From jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu Tue Dec 7 18:07:00 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.fax
Subject: RESULT: comp.dcom.telecom.tech revote passes 738:276
Supersedes: <comp.dcom.telecom.tech-revote-CFV2@uunet.uu.net>
Followup-To: news.groups
Date: 7 Dec 1993 15:52:26 -0500
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Unmoderated group comp.dcom.telecom.tech
comp.dcom.telecom.tech group vote results - 1016 valid votes
Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
738 276 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.dcom.telecom.tech
2 abstaining votes and 3 invalid votes
This margin is adequate for newgroup creation. Barring serious
controversy about this vote, the group will be created five days after
this is posted.
Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 2 December 1993.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.
Vote-taker's address: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu
Group proponent's address: rdippold@qualcomm.com
Newsgroups line:
comp.dcom.telecom.tech Discussion of technical aspects of telephony.
CHARTER (as printed in the Call for Votes)
This unmoderated group would cover all general technology aspects of the
telecommunications industry in an unmoderated format. This includes
communications mediums (physical transport, wiring, antennas), control systems
(switches, routing, ATM), wireless systems (AMPS, NAMPS, PCN, PCS, CDMA, TDMA,
GSM), and more (such as the history of the above, and new advances). It is
expected that discussions which begin to focus on implementation aspects of
subjects which are covered by existing groups would be moved to those groups -
for instance, discussion about Class 3 Fax design specifics would go to
comp.dcom.modems.
In the future this group would hopefully be gatewayed with the Telecom Tech
mailing list <teletech@zygot.ati.com>, which is currently gatewayed with
alt.dcom.telecom. The goal is that this group will complement the existing
comp.dcom.telecom with discussions of greater depth on more limited subject
areas. This CFV is being posted to that mailing list.
If you wish an unabridged duplicate of the special posting which appeared in
comp.dcom.telecom containing arguments for and against comp.dcom.telecom.tech
by interested readers, send mail to rdippold@qualcomm.com and request the
Special Telecom Tech digest.
comp.dcom.telecom.tech group vote Final Vote Ack
Yes Votes
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0005515598@mcimail.com Mark D. Combs
1635962@bnr.ca Robert (R.C.) Lamb
76703.407@CompuServe.COM Scott Loftesness
A.deVos@research.ptt.nl Vos A.de
aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu Robert J. Repas
aa393@freenet.carleton.ca Ramesh Fernando
aa735@freenet.carleton.ca Duncan MacGregor
adams@spss.com Steve Adams
ADUVA@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu Andrew R. D'Uva
aej@WPI.EDU Allan E Johannesen
aem@symbiosis.ahp.com a.e.mossberg
afj@DrMemory.nuc.ucla.edu Andy Jacobson
agw@mlb.semi.harris.com Alan Whittaker
ahaigh@unixg.ubc.ca A.B.Haigh
aimla!rudholm@uunet.UU.NET Mark Rudholm
alan@dadd.ti.com Alan Hales
alanb@vexcel.com Alan Baxter
alanc@ocf.Berkeley.EDU Alan Coopersmith
alex.zatsman@analog.com Alex Zatsman
allen@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
ambient@netcom.com Joe Rice
andrew@frip.wv.tek.com Andrew Klossner
andrewg@henson.cc.wwu.edu Andrew R Ghali
andrewsc@kralizec.zeta.org.au Andrew Schonberger
Andrew_Marc_Greene@frankston.com
Andy.Behrens@coat.com Andy Behrens
andy@vistachrome.com Andrew Finkenstadt
andyr@wizzy.com Andy Rabagliati
andys@internet.sbi.com Andy Sherman
anne@alcor.concordia.ca Anne Bennett
anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Anthony J Stieber
ao443@yfn.ysu.edu Brennan T. Price
ao943@yfn.ysu.edu Thom Byxbe
ao944@yfn.ysu.edu Jack Decker
aplus@guest.apple.com Alfred Martinez
appell@csn.org David Appell
aquirt@bnr.ca Alan (A.R.) Quirt
ARD@siva.bris.ac.uk PDP11 Hacker .....
Arthur.Chance@Smallworld.co.uk Arthur Chance
asente@mv.us.adobe.com
asimola@vipunen.hut.fi Antti Simola
aspgd21!dt07039%aspgd202@uunet.UU.NET Greg Stanton
atj@idm.com Angela T. Johnston
august@cerf.net Richard B. August
august@ecst.csuchico.edu Daniel Augustine
awry!tom@hercules.aptix.com Tom Ace
awuolle@gamma.hut.fi Ari Wuolle
bac@netcom.com Brian Court
bad@flatlin.ka.sub.org Christoph Badura
bafutto@ind.uni-stuttgart.d400.de Marcos Bafutto
bailey@hagar.ph.utexas.edu Ed Bailey
barnett@zeppelin.convex.com Paul Barnett
Barton.Bruce@camb.com
bb08176@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu Amritansh Raghav
bbuzz@ecst.csuchico.edu Buzz Buzzini
bc22863@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu bc22863
bcapps@adcmail.atlas.com boy brent
bdboyle@maverick1.erenj.com Bryan D. Boyle
bde@halcyon.com Bruce D. Elliott
beckman@cco.caltech.edu David Beckman
ben@nj8j.atl.ga.us
bengtl@maths.lth.se Bengt Larsson
bets@matt.ksu.ksu.edu Beth Cole
BEWELL@LANDO.HNS.COM BRIAN
BHOUSER@D2COM.intel.com Brad, RN3-12, 765-0494, Beeper: 237-2604
Bill.Rohde@telematics.com Bill Rohde
billy@mix.com Billy Youdelman
bj@herbison.com B.J. Herbison
blt+@CMU.EDU Bruce Taylor
bob@rdsw.com Bob Dunaway
bob@summer.bt.co.uk Bob Baal
bobm@ness.com Bob Marrow
bokonon@cad.gatech.edu C. S. Cheyney
boulton@netcom.com David A. Boulton
bowtie@mclean.mcd.mot.com Bill Dennen
brad%slammer.UUCP@mathcs.emory.edu Brad Isley
bram@fangorn.hacktic.nl Bram Smits
brettf@netcom.com Brett Frankenberger
bri@moondance.livingston.com Brian Rice
Brian.Gordon@Eng.Sun.COM Brian Gordon
brian@audiofax.com Brian TroxeLL
briand%trigraph.uucp@csri.toronto.edu Brian Dickson
brooks_benson@il.us.swissbank.com Brooks Benson
Bruce_Sullivan++LOCAL+dADR%Nordstrom_6731691@mcimail.com Bruce Sullivan
bryant@mprgate.mpr.ca Nick Bryant
BSCHLESINGER@NSSDCA.GSFC.NASA.GOV BARRY M. SCHLESINGER
btan1@agt.ab.ca Btan
buglady@bronze.lcs.mit.edu Aliza R. Panitz
bugs%atlantis@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Dan Berry
burchard@access.digex.net Laura Burchard
bw@hplb.hpl.hp.com Bruce Whitby
bwalzer@lark.muug.mb.ca Bruce Walzer
bydb@rau.ac.za BY de Boer at Cybernetics
c28f62@world.std.com Ross H. Perot
caadams@atlas.cs.upei.ca Kenny Adams
caking@srv.PacBell.COM Christopher King
capshawd@jeeves.eng.sematech.org David Capshaw
carr@smtp.esl.com John Carr
caruso@nova.umd.edu John Caruso
cavallar@info-gw.mese.com
cavendish@christ-church.los-altos.ca.us Hank Cavendish
cdaata@taux01.nsc.com David Almagor
cedar!jeff@cs.washington.edu Jeff Scofield
cfwpm@ux1.cts.eiu.edu Bill McGown
cgull@slick-50.ftp.com John Hood
charles@comm.polymtl.ca Charles Levert
cheilek@cholera.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com Alan Cheilek
cheryl@ness.com Cheryl Fargo
chi@nb.rockwell.com Keh-Fan Chi
chip@chinacat.unicom.com Chip Rosenthal
Chris.Davies@f549.n109.z1.fidonet.org Chris Davies
chris@analog.com Chris Cavigioli
chris@tali.hsc.colorado.edu Chris Yoder
chrish@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com Chris Hughes
chrisj@puffin.com Chris Jewell
Chris_Marble@hmc.edu Chris Marble
cjc@nwu.edu Christopher Chen
ckd@kei.com Christopher Davis
cks@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu Chris Siebenmann
claris!clarisii!skip@ames.arc.nasa.gov Brian Schipper
clark@hornet.hornet.mn.org Clark B. Pansch
clements@diamond.bbn.com Bob Clements
clj@ksr.com Chris Jones
cmylod@nl.oracle.com Colum Mylod at ORACLE Europe
coleman@vax2.cstp.umkc.edu Mike Coleman
colinr@dsinet.dgtl.com
colvard@esvax.dnet.dupont.com Todd Colvard
connect@MR.Net Kevin Carstens
coop@netcom.com Netcom User
craig@arraycomm.com Craig Barratt
CREED@uoft02.utoledo.edu Carol Reed
CRN@VAX3.ltec.com
crosby@torreys.cs.Colorado.EDU Matthew Crosby
CRW@icf.hrb.com Craig R. Watkins
csmorley@titan.ucs.umass.edu Christian S. Morley
CT73@MUSIC.MUS.POLYMTL.CA BENJAMIN ALLOUL
cts@dragon.com Charles T. Smith, Jr.
cudac@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tim Clark
cuz@cs.brandeis.edu Brandon Magee
cyberpro@netcom.com
D.W.Wright@bnr.co.uk
dab@wiretap.Spies.COM Dave Bonney
dam@microplex.com Dory Meynert
dan@ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu Dan Schlitt
dansachs@panix.com Dan Sachs
daryl@tcomeng.com Daryl Jones
daveb@xetron.com Dave Barringer
daveg@locus.com Dave Goldblatt
david@josephson.com David Josephson
davidb@ce.washington.edu David W. Barts
davidm@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com David Maddox
davidsen@tmr.com Bill Davidsen
dbrownd@sugar.NeoSoft.COM Damon Brownd
dcj@eoc.com Donald Clark Jackson
dct@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu David C. Tuttle
ddanz@sw.stratus.com Dan Danz
ddb@anubis.network.com David Dyer-Bennet
dean@anubis.network.com Dean C. Gahlon
deej@goofy.att.com
dennis@mojave.ati.com Dennis Hatfield
Derek@tdkt.kksys.com Derek Oldfather
devinp@aurora.tricon.com Devin Park
dflowers@caltech.edu Dave Flowers
dgc@ccrwest.org David G. Cantor
dgp@ops.tridom.com Dave Perkins
dhabe@ameris.center.il.ameritech.com David A. Habedank
dhesi@rahul.net Rahul Dhesi
dhn@fid.morgan.com David Nochlin
dig@pro-cynosure.clark.net Doug Granzow
DITTMAN@skitzo.dseg.ti.com Eric Dittman
djmurphy@eng.umd.edu David Murphy
dkurtiak@attmail.att.com
dl@gauss.att.com
dlr@daver.bungi.com Dave Rand
dmarcher@acsu.buffalo.edu
dmc@austin.ibm.com Dave McCracken
dmurphy@cwa.COM Dan Murphy
DNEVES@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU
doctor@qedbbs.com
dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz Kennelmeister
dogcow@ccs.neu.edu Tom 'moof' Spindler
donh@rahul.net Don Hackler
dorst@crl.com Steven J Dorst
doug@montage.oau.org Doug Swallow
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theriaul@mdd.comm.mot.com Roger Theriault
thomas@lkg.dec.com Matt Thomas
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thornton@cs.ubc.ca Jim Thornton
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tim@edscom.demon.co.uk Tim Robey
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tmcloughlin@attmail.com Thomas R McLoughlin
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tom@ulysses.att.com Tom Smith
tomh@metrics.com Tom Haapanen
tonyj@sco.COM Tony Joines
totala@netcom.com Taneli Otala
troyer@cgl.ucsf.EDU
trutter@hayes.com Evolution....God's way of issuing updates
tsshea@mmm.com Timothy S. Shea
tyler@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Forrest T Stevens
tylerb@boss.ee.umn.edu Tyler Brown
unmesh@calvin.asd.sgi.com Unmesh Agarwala
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whughes@lonestar.utsa.edu William W. Hughes
williams@bostech.com
willner@cfa183.harvard.edu Steve Willner
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wittlin@sci.kun.nl Aleksander Wittlin
wittsend@news.gatech.edu uucp -- Mike Warfield
wli@mho.eecs.berkeley.edu Wei-Yi William Li
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woolleym@aston.ac.uk M.WOOLLEY
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zbang@access.digex.net Carl P. Zwanzig
zippy@cs.brandeis.edu Patrick Tufts
zoran@faraday-gw.njit.edu Zoran Siveski
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charles@marks.jyacc.com Charles McGuinness
charlie@az.stratus.com Charles_Spitzer
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clifto@indep1.chi.il.us Cliff Sharp
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cristy@chopin.udel.edu Cristy
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dave@westmark.westmark.com Dave Levenson
davec@bnr.ca Dave (D.A.) Carlyle
david@stat.com David Dodell
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de@moscom.com David Esan
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destajo@access.digex.net Vince M. Destajo
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Doug.McCallum@Central.Sun.COM Doug McCallum
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drawson@Tymnet.COM Dick Rawson
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dst@hardy.u.washington.edu Trif
dwn@dwn.ccd.bnl.gov Dave Niebuhr
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Ed_Tennant@mail.amsinc.com Ed Tennant
eggert@twinsun.com Paul Eggert
EL406045@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU Tony Harminc
ellisc@wv.MENTORG.COM Ellis Cohen
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farber@central.cis.upenn.edu David Farber
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fred@page6.pinetree.org Fred Ennis
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fsspr@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu Sean P Ryan
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gknauerh@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Geoffrey A Knauerhase
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greig@pip.oci.utoronto.ca David Iain Greig
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gspear+@CMU.EDU Geoffrey Spear
gstolar@heartland.bradley.edu Greg Stolarczyk
hampton@cisco.com David Hampton
hansen@inference.com Rob Hansen
harris@kraft.apdev.cs.mci.com Steve_Harris
ho@teeeee.sst.hlo.dec.com Samuel Ho
hoenigs@gsimail.ddn.mil Sheldon W. Hoenig
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hollaar@ursa10.cs.utah.edu Lee Hollaar
hollings@cs.wisc.edu Jeff Hollingsworth
holly@ISI.EDU Dennis Hollingworth
hommel@imagitex.com Carlton B. Hommel
hosseino@yu1.yu.edu Joshua Hosseinoff
huehne@brouwer.informatik.uni-dortmund.de Martin Huehne
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hwt@bnr.ca henry (h.w.) troup
J.M.Philip@bnr.co.uk
Jan.Ceuleers@f857.n292.z2.fidonet.org Jan Ceuleers
jankino@allnet.win.net Janet Kino
jayl@lattice.com Jay Lessert
jbrostro@ua.d.umn.edu John Brostrom
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jhagen@npri6.npri.com Jarom Hagen
jharuni@micrognosis.co.uk Jonathan Haruni
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jknauerh@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Joyce A Knauerhase
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joe@vpm.icl.co.uk Joe Harrison
john@iastate.edu
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jrm@globalvillag.com John "Fax This!" MacWilliamson
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koblas@netcom.com David Koblas
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krotz%kivax.uucp@Germany.EU.net Dieter Krotz
langz@asylum.sf.ca.us Lang Zerner
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lauren@vortex.com Lauren Weinstein
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limhl@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com HuiLin Lim
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mlv@bwalk.dm.com Marina Vulis
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moser@bnr.ca lionel (l.h.) moser
msb@sq.com
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MVM@cup.portal.com
n8emr!pute!jwalp@trigger.MorningStar.Com
naddy@mips.ruessel.sub.org Christian Weisgerber
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nigam@mitre.org Alok C. Nigam
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smarry@io.org Smarasderagd
socrates@crl.com David Pifke
spe@cbqss1.att.com
starr@hriso.att.com
stefan@fractal.se Stefan Berg
steve.wood@mccaw.com Steve Wood
steve.zielke@pulse.com Stephen Zielke
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stoll@ocf.Berkeley.EDU Cliff Stoll
strieterd@postoffice.agcs.com Dave Strieter
stu@valinor.mythical.com Stu Labovitz
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styri@balder.nta.no
sullivan@msri.org John Sullivan
tara@insight-corp.com Tara D. Mahon
tardiff@halcyon.com Michael J. Tardiff
ted@nclgate.novatel.ca Ted Park
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tomg@rotten.egg.com Tom Glover
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wpns@roadrunner.pictel.com Willie Smith
wysocki@datalife.com Chris Wysocki
zeta@tcscs.com Gregory Youngblood
zim@IBX.COM Bill Zimmer
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