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From mikeaver@prairienet.org Tue Jul 12 15:03:30 1994
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From: mikeaver@prairienet.org (Michael J. Averbuch)
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Subject: RFD: comp.lang.asm.x86
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION
Group Name: comp.lang.asm.x86
Status: unmoderated
Distribution: world-wide
Summary: Discussions related to the direct programming of
the Intel 8086, 186, 286, etc . . . processors and
its clones.
Proposed by: Michael J. Averbuch (mikeaver@firefly.prairienet.org)
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) on the subject of
creating an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, comp.lang.asm.x86
CHARTER
The proposed unmoderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
open to discussions on all topics related to assembly language
and low-level programming on IBM machines with '86 processors.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,
Assembly language tips and tricks (code techniques)
MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
Assembly language code
Assembly language related share/freeware
Linking assembly language with other languages
Etc . . .
Topics that are discouraged are:
Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
High-level language code, except when used for
hardware programming
This is NOT a call for votes. A Call For Votes (CFV) will be
posted about one month from now and will be conducted by an
independent third party.
The format for this RFD is taken from the RFD for comp.lang.m
(which I downloaded from the RFD in news.announce.newgroups)
and I thank Mr. Smith in advance for not protesting the use of
his RFD format, which he borrowed from somebody else anyway.
I already wrote a miniature preliminary FAQ. Look for it in
the news.groups newsgroup.
-Michael Averbuch (mikeaver@firefly.prairienet.org)
From rdippold@qualcomm.com (RonDippold) Fri Aug 19 20:02:49 1994
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From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
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Subject: CFV: comp.lang.asm.x86
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Date: 19 Aug 1994 19:16:44 -0400
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FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group comp.lang.asm.x86
Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.asm.x86 General 80x86 assembly language programming.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 9 September 1994.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the
proposed group contact Michael J. Averbuch <mikeaver@firefly.prairienet.org>
CHARTER
The proposed unmoderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
open to discussions on all topics related to assembly language
and low-level programming on IBM machines with '86 processors.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,
Assembly language tips and tricks (code techniques)
MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
Assembly language code
Assembly language related share/freeware
Linking assembly language with other languages
Etc . . .
Topics that are discouraged are:
Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
High-level language code, except when used for
hardware programming
I already wrote a miniature preliminary FAQ. Look for it in
the comp.answers newsgroup.
-Michael Averbuch (mikeaver@firefly.prairienet.org)
HOW TO VOTE
Send MAIL to: voting@qualcomm.com
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.
Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:
I vote YES on comp.lang.asm.x86
I vote NO on comp.lang.asm.x86
You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.
One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.
From rdippold@qualcomm.com (RonDippold) Wed Aug 31 18:36:21 1994
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From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
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Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.lang.asm.x86
Supersedes: <comp.lang.asm.x86-CFV1@uunet.uu.net>
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LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group comp.lang.asm.x86
Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.asm.x86 General 80x86 assembly language programming.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 9 September 1994.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the
proposed group contact Michael J. Averbuch <mikeaver@firefly.prairienet.org>
CHARTER
The proposed unmoderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
open to discussions on all topics related to assembly language
and low-level programming on IBM machines with '86 processors.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,
Assembly language tips and tricks (code techniques)
MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
Assembly language code
Assembly language related share/freeware
Linking assembly language with other languages
Etc . . .
Topics that are discouraged are:
Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
High-level language code, except when used for
hardware programming
I already wrote a miniature preliminary FAQ. Look for it in
the comp.answers newsgroup.
-Michael Averbuch (mikeaver@firefly.prairienet.org)
HOW TO VOTE
Send MAIL to: voting@qualcomm.com
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.
Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:
I vote YES on comp.lang.asm.x86
I vote NO on comp.lang.asm.x86
You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.
One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.
comp.lang.asm.x86 Bounce List - No need to revote
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bsb@bora.ms.sub.org Bernd _Siggy_ Brentrup
crouchkp@flidh101.delcoelect.com Kenneth P Crouch
egbert%garfy@teralon.GUN.de Egbert Hinzen
From rdippold@qualcomm.com (RonDippold) Wed Sep 21 18:36:24 1994
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
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Subject: RESULT: comp.lang.asm.x86 passes 253:18
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RESULT
unmoderated group comp.lang.asm.x86 passes 253:18
There were 253 YES votes and 18 NO votes, for a total of 271 valid votes.
There was 1 invalid ballot.
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.
Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.asm.x86 General 80x86 assembly language programming.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 9 September 1994.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the
proposed group contact Michael J. Averbuch <mikeaver@firefly.prairienet.org>
CHARTER
The proposed unmoderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
open to discussions on all topics related to assembly language
and low-level programming on IBM machines with '86 processors.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,
Assembly language tips and tricks (code techniques)
MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
Assembly language code
Assembly language related share/freeware
Linking assembly language with other languages
Etc . . .
Topics that are discouraged are:
Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
High-level language code, except when used for
hardware programming
I already wrote a miniature preliminary FAQ. Look for it in
the comp.answers newsgroup.
-Michael Averbuch (mikeaver@firefly.prairienet.org)
comp.lang.asm.x86 Final Vote Ack
Voted Yes
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wirth@zerberus.gud.siemens.co.at Helmut F. Wirth
Wouter.Suverkropp@jet.uk
yadallee@gAlLiF.ersys.EDmonTON.Ab.Ca Dave Shariff Yadallee
zaphod@mat.ulaval.ca Jean-Pascal Hebert
zevans@cs.uofs.edu Stephen Zevans
zyracki@seas.gwu.edu Zyracki Michael
Voted No
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alex@venus.nbg.sub.org Alexander Adolf
apolzer@cs.ucsd.edu Andreas Polzer
bsb@bora.ms.sub.org Bernd _Siggy_ Brentrup
gl8f@fermi.clas.virginia.edu Greg Lindahl
gson@unda.fi Andreas Gustafsson
gspear+@CMU.EDU Geoffrey Spear
gt5139c@prism.gatech.edu Pete 'Happy' Thomas
hsi@inforamp.net Hsi P. Chang
jamshid@ses.com Jamshid Afshar
larsa@colargol.edb.tih.no Lars Joergen Aas
mmt@RedBrick.COM Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS
of@Mail.NetUSE.de Oliver Fink
rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller
sam@sun.tps.de Sassan Simai
sheldon@netcom.com Sheldon Simms
smarry@turing.toronto.edu Smarasderagd
stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown
strat@ksu.ksu.edu Steve Davis
Votes in error
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softpres@crl.com Robert Glidden
! Conflicting votes
From corylang@magicnet.net Thu May 8 07:23:02 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Cory Langston <corylang@magicnet.net>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.msdos.programmer,rec.games.programmer,alt.msdos.programmer,comp.lang.asm.x86,alt.lang.asm,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++
Subject: RFD: moderate comp.lang.asm.x86
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <863077043.6950@isc.org>
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Archive-Name: comp.lang.asm.x86
Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 07:37:23 GMT
Lines: 230
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:393
REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
moderated group comp.lang.asm.x86 (moderates existing group)
Newsgroup line:
comp.lang.asm.x86 x86 assembly language topics. (Moderated)
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) to moderate
comp.lang.asm.x86. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you
cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below.
RATIONALE: comp.lang.asm.x86
The current comp.lang.asm.x86 newsgroup has deviated from its original
charter which was the propagation of knowledge regarding lowlevel
programming of the x86 architecture. This newsgroup is now a place
where the masses flame each other. At present it is a battlefield for
an ongoing flamefest. This counter productive behavior is indicative
of those who are opposed to serious discussion of assembly language
related topics. Those who truly wish to learn from or give assistance
to questions posted to the group are hindered by the various flames
and threads that currently consume this newsgroup. It is estimated that
since November 96 traffic posting has increased approximately from 80
to 200 posts per day. Various readers have confirmed that about 85
percent of this is due to off-topic posts. Readers have been hindered
if not totally turned away by the constant barrage of threads and
flames that hold this group captive. Therefore, we propose moderation
of the existing newsgroup in order to promote unfettered communication
between x86 understudies and their community.
-Moderation is proposed to:
decrease the volume of off-topic posts and/or cross-posted threads
decrease the number of posts already answered in this newsgroup's FAQ
increase the significant on-topic content of posts
-to avoid confusion the existing group comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
moderated as opposed to splitting into several unruly groups. This will
allow unhindered discussion of x86 assembly programming related topics.
CHARTER: comp.lang.asm.x86
The newly moderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be open to
discussions on all topics related to assembly language and low-level
programming on any machine using an x86 processor or any of its clones.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,:
Assembly language code tips, tricks, and techniques.
MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
NASM, and other non-commercial assemblers
Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
Assembly language related utilities commercial/share/free-ware
Linking assembly language with other languages
Inline x86 programming utilizing assembly emulators in higher
level languages
Propagation of non-commercial Internet x86 resources
Any question/discussion of the direct programming of the x86
Etc...
Topics that will be filtered are:
Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
Flames, personal attacks, insults, etc.
HLL code, except when used for low-level hardware programming.
Product comparisons except when presented in an unbiased fashion.
Advertisements unrelated to assembly programming or utilities.
Posts in languages other than English will be examined for approval
if any of the moderators can read the language in question. There
is no guarantee of approval for a post in any language other than
English.
The newsgroup will be moderated by a Moderation Board, consisting of
a Head Moderator and a pool of Backup Moderators. The moderation
process will be overseen by the Head Moderator, who may employ
assistants from the pool of Backup Moderators as the need arises.
Only members of the Moderation Board have the power authority to judge
posts.
The current moderation procedures and policies will be described in
an Administrative Statement, that will be maintained by the Head
Moderator, with any changes subject to veto by the Board. The
Statement will be posted to the group whenever it changes, and at
least once per month. It will be available at all times at an address
posted regularly in the group.
All posts to the group may be processed through moderation software
which will take one of the following actions on each article:
1. Reject it outright if it meets certain criteria;
2. Forward it to a Board member if it meets certain other
criteria; or
3. Post it immediately.
The criteria being used by either the moderation software or human
moderators will be described in the Administrative Statement. They
will not refer to the source of the articles except that the Head
Moderator may place certain individuals or sites which that repeatedly
try to post off-topic material on a "watch list," which will cause their
articles to be forwarded to a human moderator for review. The Head
Moderator may also declare certain off-topic discussion threads to be
"closed," so that no more articles in that thread will be accepted.
Rejected articles will, if possible, be returned to the sender along
with a letter of explanation. Rejected articles may be appealed to
an address specified in the Administrative Statement and or in any
letter notice of rejection. If an article was rejected by a human
moderator, the appeal will be judged by a different moderator. In
the event of abuse of the appeals process, the Moderation Board will
decide what action will be taken to deal with the abuse.
An article will normally be subject to rejection only at the time it
is submitted. Canceling of articles after they have been posted
("retromoderation") will not be used for general content control.
Cancellations will be permitted only under the following special
circumstances:
1. When performed or requested by the original poster or by his or
her Internet Service Provider;
2. When performed by the Head Moderator, to cancel articles with
forged approvals; or
3. When performed by reputable third-party cancelers (as
determined by the Head Moderator), to cancel articles that are
widely considered to be undesirable in most of Usenet, e.g.,
binaries and excessively multi-posted articles ("spam").
4. When performed by the Head Moderator, to cancel articles that
were approved inadvertently, i.e., (to correct "mistakes").
In addition to rejecting inappropriate articles, the moderators may
take measures to discourage users from submitting such articles in
the first place, including:
1. Appending short "footers" to all posted articles, informing
newcomers of the purpose of the newsgroup and providing
references to more detailed information about the newsgroup,
the Usenet community, and the Internet in general; and
2. E-mailing "welcome" messages to all first-time posters,
containing similar information as in (1).
Other than appending a footer or adding headers, the moderators will
not modify the content of a posted article.
The Head Moderator will submit a report to the Moderation Board each
month, providing statistics on the functioning of the group, a
summary of the articles appealed, and a list of any changes to the
Administrative Statement or the moderation software. The Board may
instruct the Head Moderator to eliminate any automatic rejection or
forwarding criterion from the moderation software.
The Board may elect a new Head Moderator if the position becomes
vacant; the Head Moderator or the Board may appoint a Backup
Moderator to fill in for the Head Moderator during short periods of
absence.
The Board also has the power to remove a Head Moderator. It may
remove a Head Moderator who has been in office for less than six
weeks through a simple majority vote of all members. A Moderator who
has been in office for more than six weeks may only be removed by a
2/3 majority vote of those who have been on the Board for at least
six weeks.
The Board controls its own membership. It may admit new members with
a simple majority vote, or remove members who have served for less
than six weeks with a simple majority vote. Members who have served
longer than six weeks may only be removed by a 2/3 vote of those who
have been on the Board for at least six weeks. The Board will make a
good-faith effort to maintain a membership of at least three persons.
The working charter for the group may be modified by a 2/3 vote of
those who have been members of the Moderation Board for at least six
weeks. A copy of the current charter will be available at a location
given in the Administrative Statement.
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: comp.lang.asm.x86
Moderator: Jim Neil <jim-neil@digital.net>
Moderator: Tore Lund <tl001@sn.no>
Moderator: David Lindauer <gclind01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>
Moderator: Phil Carmody <pc1@scigen.co.uk>
Moderator: Zackery Waters <zsu@iol.unh.edu>
Moderator: Corey Brenner <brenner@umr.edu>
Moderator: Cory Langston <corylang@magicnet.net>
Moderator: Ray Moon <raymoon@moonware.dgsys.com>
END MODERATOR INFO.
PROCEDURE:
This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this
phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed
newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will
continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD
for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which
a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the
discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this
happens.
All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.
This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and
"How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to
these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have
any questions about the process.
DISTRIBUTION:
This RFD has been distributed to the following newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.os.msdos.programmer,
rec.games.programmer, alt.msdos.programmer, comp.lang.asm.x86,
alt.lang.asm, comp.lang.c, comp.lang.c++
Proponent: Cory Langston <corylang@magicnet.net>
Proponent: Jim Neil <jim-neil@digital.net>
Proponent: Tore Lund <tl001@sn.no>
Proponent: David Lindauer <gclind01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>
Proponent: Phil Carmody <pc1@scigen.co.uk>
Proponent: Zackery Waters <zsu@iol.unh.edu>
Proponent: Corey Brenner <brenner@umr.edu>
Proponent: Ray Moon <raymoon@moonware.dgsys.com>
From corylang@magicnet.net Thu May 15 02:45:08 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Cory Langston <corylang@magicnet.net>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.msdos.programmer,rec.games.programmer,alt.msdos.programmer,comp.lang.asm.x86,alt.lang.asm,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++
Subject: RFD: moderate comp.lang.asm.x86
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <863689073.9797@isc.org>
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Archive-Name: comp.lang.asm.x86
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 09:37:53 GMT
Lines: 231
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:425
REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
moderated group comp.lang.asm.x86 (moderates existing group)
Newsgroup line:
comp.lang.asm.x86 x86 assembly language topics. (Moderated)
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) to moderate
comp.lang.asm.x86. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you
cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below.
RATIONALE: comp.lang.asm.x86
The current comp.lang.asm.x86 newsgroup has deviated from its original
charter which was the propagation of knowledge regarding lowlevel
programming of the x86 architecture. This newsgroup is now a place
where the masses flame each other. At present it is a battlefield for
an ongoing flamefest. This counter productive behavior is indicative
of those who are opposed to serious discussion of assembly language
related topics. Those who truly wish to learn from or give assistance
to questions posted to the group are hindered by the various flames
and threads that currently consume this newsgroup. It is estimated that
since November 96 traffic posting has increased approximately from 80
to 200 posts per day. Various readers have confirmed that about 85
percent of this is due to off-topic posts. Readers have been hindered
if not totally turned away by the constant barrage of threads and
flames that hold this group captive. Therefore, we propose moderation
of the existing newsgroup in order to promote unfettered communication
between x86 understudies and their community.
-Moderation is proposed to:
decrease the volume of off-topic posts and/or cross-posted threads
decrease the number of posts already answered in this newsgroup's FAQ
increase the significant on-topic content of posts
-to avoid confusion the existing group comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
moderated as opposed to splitting into several unruly groups. This will
allow unhindered discussion of x86 assembly programming related topics.
CHARTER: comp.lang.asm.x86
The newly moderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be open to
discussions on all topics related to assembly language and low-level
programming on any machine using an x86 processor or any of its clones.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,:
Assembly language code tips, tricks, and techniques.
MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
NASM, and other non-commercial assemblers
Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
Assembly language related utilities commercial/share/free-ware
Linking assembly language with other languages
Inline x86 programming utilizing assembly emulators in higher
level languages
Propagation of non-commercial Internet x86 resources
Any question/discussion of the direct programming of the x86
Etc...
Topics that will be filtered are:
Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
Flames, personal attacks, insults, etc.
HLL code, except when used for low-level hardware programming.
Product comparisons except when presented in an unbiased fashion.
Advertisements unrelated to assembly programming or utilities.
Posts in languages other than English will be examined for approval
if any of the moderators can read the language in question. There
is no guarantee of approval for a post in any language other than
English.
The newsgroup will be moderated by a Moderation Board, consisting of
a Head Moderator and a pool of Backup Moderators. The moderation
process will be overseen by the Head Moderator, who may employ
assistants from the pool of Backup Moderators as the need arises.
Only members of the Moderation Board have the power authority to judge
posts.
The current moderation procedures and policies will be described in
an Administrative Statement, that will be maintained by the Head
Moderator, with any changes subject to veto by the Board. The
Statement will be posted to the group whenever it changes, and at
least once per month. It will be available at all times at an address
posted regularly in the group.
All posts to the group may be processed through moderation software
which will take one of the following actions on each article:
1. Reject it outright if it meets certain criteria;
2. Forward it to a Board member if it meets certain other
criteria; or
3. Post it immediately.
The criteria being used by either the moderation software or human
moderators will be described in the Administrative Statement. They
will not refer to the source of the articles except that the Head
Moderator may place certain individuals or sites which that repeatedly
try to post off-topic material on a "watch list," which will cause their
articles to be forwarded to a human moderator for review. The Head
Moderator may also declare certain off-topic discussion threads to be
"closed," so that no more articles in that thread will be accepted.
Rejected articles will, if possible, be returned to the sender along
with a letter of explanation. Rejected articles may be appealed to
an address specified in the Administrative Statement and or in any
letter notice of rejection. If an article was rejected by a human
moderator, the appeal will be judged by a different moderator. In
the event of abuse of the appeals process, the Moderation Board will
decide what action will be taken to deal with the abuse.
An article will normally be subject to rejection only at the time it
is submitted. Canceling of articles after they have been posted
("retromoderation") will not be used for general content control.
Cancellations will be permitted only under the following special
circumstances:
1. When performed or requested by the original poster or by his or
her Internet Service Provider;
2. When performed by the Head Moderator, to cancel articles with
forged approvals; or
3. When performed by reputable third-party cancelers (as
determined by the Head Moderator), to cancel articles that are
widely considered to be undesirable in most of Usenet, e.g.,
binaries and excessively multi-posted articles ("spam").
4. When performed by the Head Moderator, to cancel articles that
were approved inadvertently, i.e., (to correct "mistakes").
In addition to rejecting inappropriate articles, the moderators may
take measures to discourage users from submitting such articles in
the first place, including:
1. Appending short "footers" to all posted articles, informing
newcomers of the purpose of the newsgroup and providing
references to more detailed information about the newsgroup,
the Usenet community, and the Internet in general; and
2. E-mailing "welcome" messages to all first-time posters,
containing similar information as in (1).
Other than appending a footer or adding headers, the moderators will
not modify the content of a posted article.
The Head Moderator will submit a report to the Moderation Board each
month, providing statistics on the functioning of the group, a
summary of the articles appealed, and a list of any changes to the
Administrative Statement or the moderation software. The Board may
instruct the Head Moderator to eliminate any automatic rejection or
forwarding criterion from the moderation software.
The Board may elect a new Head Moderator if the position becomes
vacant; the Head Moderator or the Board may appoint a Backup
Moderator to fill in for the Head Moderator during short periods of
absence.
The Board also has the power to remove a Head Moderator. It may
remove a Head Moderator who has been in office for less than six
weeks through a simple majority vote of all members. A Moderator who
has been in office for more than six weeks may only be removed by a
2/3 majority vote of those who have been on the Board for at least
six weeks.
The Board controls its own membership. It may admit new members with
a simple majority vote, or remove members who have served for less
than six weeks with a simple majority vote. Members who have served
longer than six weeks may only be removed by a 2/3 vote of those who
have been on the Board for at least six weeks. The Board will make a
good-faith effort to maintain a membership of at least three persons.
The working charter for the group may be modified by a 2/3 vote of
those who have been members of the Moderation Board for at least six
weeks. A copy of the current charter will be available at a location
given in the Administrative Statement.
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: comp.lang.asm.x86
Moderator: Jim Neil <jim-neil@digital.net>
Moderator: Tore Lund <tl001@sn.no>
Moderator: David Lindauer <gclind01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>
Moderator: Phil Carmody <pc1@scigen.co.uk>
Moderator: Zackery Waters <zsw@iol.unh.edu>
Moderator: Corey Brenner <brenner@umr.edu>
Moderator: Cory Langston <corylang@magicnet.net>
Moderator: Ray Moon <raymoon@moonware.dgsys.com>
END MODERATOR INFO.
PROCEDURE:
This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this
phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed
newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will
continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD
for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which
a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the
discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this
happens.
All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.
This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and
"How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to
these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have
any questions about the process.
DISTRIBUTION:
This RFD has been distributed to the following newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.os.msdos.programmer,
rec.games.programmer, alt.msdos.programmer, comp.lang.asm.x86,
alt.lang.asm, comp.lang.c, comp.lang.c++
Proponent: Cory Langston <corylang@magicnet.net>
Proponent: Jim Neil <jim-neil@digital.net>
Proponent: Tore Lund <tl001@sn.no>
Proponent: David Lindauer <gclind01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>
Proponent: Phil Carmody <pc1@scigen.co.uk>
Proponent: Zackery Waters <zsw@iol.unh.edu>
Proponent: Corey Brenner <brenner@umr.edu>
Proponent: Ray Moon <raymoon@moonware.dgsys.com>
From mcq@wco.com Tue Jul 8 23:30:04 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: mcq@wco.com (Rebecca McQuitty)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.lang.asm,alt.msdos.programmer,comp.lang.asm.x86,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.os.msdos.programmer,rec.games.programmer
Subject: CFV: moderate comp.lang.asm.x86
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <868429081.18293@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV)
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Expires: 31 Jul 1997 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: comp.lang.asm.x86
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 06:18:02 GMT
Lines: 306
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:580
FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
moderated group comp.lang.asm.x86 (moderates existing group)
Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.asm.x86 Bulletin Board and Q&A for x86 assembly language topics. (Moderated)
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 30 Jul 1997.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponents.
Proponent: Cory Langston <corylang@magicnet.net>
Proponent: Jim Neil <jim-neil@digital.net>
Proponent: Tore Lund <tl001@sn.no>
Proponent: David Lindauer <gclind01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>
Proponent: Phil Carmody <pc1@scigen.co.uk>
Proponent: Zackery Waters <zsw@iol.unh.edu>
Proponent: Corey Brenner <brenner@umr.edu>
Proponent: Ray Moon <raymoon@moonware.dgsys.com>
Proponent: Chuck Crayne <ccrayne@pacific.net>
Votetaker: Rebecca McQuitty <mcq@wco.com>
RATIONALE: comp.lang.asm.x86
The current comp.lang.asm.x86 newsgroup has deviated from its original
charter. In the beginning, the group was created for the propagation
of knowledge regarding lowlevel programming of the x86 architecture.
Over the years this newsgroup has mutated into a an ongoing flamefest
regarding which langauge is better/worse, etc. Almost all of the
groups flames concern topics originally earmarked as discouragable in
the original group charter. Are the flames and threads which occupy
the group worthy of eternal debate? Does anyone really learn from
them? Flamefests have already proven themselves to be counter
productive to group development and are spawned by those who are
opposed to serious discussion of x86 assembly language related topics.
Those who truly wish to learn from or give assistance to questions
posted to the group are hindered by the various flames and threads
that consume it. It is estimated that since November 96 newsgroup
traffic has increased from 80 to 200 posts per day. Various readers
have confirmed that about 85 percent of this is due to off-topic
posts. Readers have been hindered if not totally turned away by the
constant barrage of threads and flames that hold this group captive.
Therefore, we propose moderation of the existing newsgroup in order to
promote unfettered communication between x86 understudies and their
community.
-Moderation is proposed to:
decrease the volume of off-topic posts and/or cross-posted threads
decrease the number of posts already answered in this newsgroup's FAQ
increase the significant on-topic content of posts
uphold the original charter
-to avoid confusion the existing group comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
moderated as opposed to splitting into several unruly groups.
CHARTER: comp.lang.asm.x86
The newly moderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be open to
discussions on all topics related to assembly language and low-level
programming on any machine using an x86 processor or its clones.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,:
Assembly language code tips, tricks, and techniques.
MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
NASM, and other non-commercial assemblers
Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
Assembly language related utilities commercial/share/free-ware
Linking assembly language with other languages
Inline x86 programming utilizing assembly emulators in higher
level languages
Propagation of non-commercial Internet x86 resources
Any question/discussion of the direct programming of the x86
Etc...
Topics that will be filtered are:
Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
Flames, personal attacks, insults, etc. HLL code, except when used
for low-level hardware programming. Product comparisons except when
presented in an unbiased fashion. Advertisements unrelated to
assembly programming or utilities. Posts in languages other than
English will be examined for approval
if any of the moderators can read the language in question. There
is no guarantee of approval for a post in any language other than
English.
The newsgroup will be moderated by a Moderation Board, consisting of a
Head Moderator and a pool of Backup Moderators. The moderation
process will be overseen by the Head Moderator, who may employ
assistants from the pool of Backup Moderators as the need arises. Only
members of the Moderation Board have the power authority to judge
posts.
The current moderation procedures and policies will be described in an
Administrative Statement, that will be maintained by the Head
Moderator, with any changes subject to veto by the Board. The
Statement will be posted to the group whenever it changes, and at
least once per month. It will be available at all times at an address
posted regularly in the group.
All posts to the group may be processed through moderation software
which will take one of the following actions on each article:
1. Reject it outright if it meets certain criteria;
2. Forward it to a Board member if it meets certain other
criteria; or
3. Post it immediately.
The criteria being used by either the moderation software or human
moderators will be described in the Administrative Statement. They
will not refer to the source of the articles except that the Head
Moderator may place certain individuals or sites which that repeatedly
try to post off-topic material on a "watch list," which will cause
their articles to be forwarded to a human moderator for review. The
Head Moderator may also declare certain off-topic discussion threads
to be "closed," so that no more articles in that thread will be
accepted.
Rejected articles will, if possible, be returned to the sender along
with a letter of explanation. Rejected articles may be appealed to an
address specified in the Administrative Statement and or in any letter
notice of rejection. If an article was rejected by a human moderator,
the appeal will be judged by a different moderator. In the event of
abuse of the appeals process, the Moderation Board will decide what
action will be taken to deal with the abuse.
An article will normally be subject to rejection only at the time it
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2/3 majority vote of those who have been on the Board for at least six
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simple majority vote, or remove members who have served for less than
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END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: comp.lang.asm.x86
Moderator: corylang@magicnet.net (Cory Langston)
Moderator: jim-neil@digital.net (Jim Neil)
Moderator: tl001@sn.no (Tore Lund)
Moderator: ccrayne@pacific.net (Chuck Crayne)
Moderator: gclind01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (David Lindauer)
Moderator: pc1@scigen.co.uk (Phil Carmody)
Moderator: zsw@iol.unh.edu (Zackery Waters)
Moderator: brenner@umr.edu (Corey Brenner)
Moderator: raymoon@moonware.dgsys.com (Ray Moon)
Administrative contact address: corylang@magicnet.net
Article submission address: corylang@magicnet.net
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Subject: 2nd CFV: moderate comp.lang.asm.x86
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LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
moderated group comp.lang.asm.x86 (moderates existing group)
Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.asm.x86 Bulletin Board and Q&A for x86 assembly language topics. (Moderated)
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 30 Jul 1997.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponents.
Proponent: Cory Langston <corylang@magicnet.net>
Proponent: Jim Neil <jim-neil@digital.net>
Proponent: Tore Lund <tl001@sn.no>
Proponent: David Lindauer <gclind01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>
Proponent: Phil Carmody <pc1@scigen.co.uk>
Proponent: Zackery Waters <zsw@iol.unh.edu>
Proponent: Corey Brenner <brenner@umr.edu>
Proponent: Ray Moon <raymoon@moonware.dgsys.com>
Proponent: Chuck Crayne <ccrayne@pacific.net>
Votetaker: Rebecca McQuitty <mcq@wco.com>
RATIONALE: comp.lang.asm.x86
The current comp.lang.asm.x86 newsgroup has deviated from its original
charter. In the beginning, the group was created for the propagation
of knowledge regarding lowlevel programming of the x86 architecture.
Over the years this newsgroup has mutated into a an ongoing flamefest
regarding which langauge is better/worse, etc. Almost all of the
groups flames concern topics originally earmarked as discouragable in
the original group charter. Are the flames and threads which occupy
the group worthy of eternal debate? Does anyone really learn from
them? Flamefests have already proven themselves to be counter
productive to group development and are spawned by those who are
opposed to serious discussion of x86 assembly language related topics.
Those who truly wish to learn from or give assistance to questions
posted to the group are hindered by the various flames and threads
that consume it. It is estimated that since November 96 newsgroup
traffic has increased from 80 to 200 posts per day. Various readers
have confirmed that about 85 percent of this is due to off-topic
posts. Readers have been hindered if not totally turned away by the
constant barrage of threads and flames that hold this group captive.
Therefore, we propose moderation of the existing newsgroup in order to
promote unfettered communication between x86 understudies and their
community.
-Moderation is proposed to:
decrease the volume of off-topic posts and/or cross-posted threads
decrease the number of posts already answered in this newsgroup's FAQ
increase the significant on-topic content of posts
uphold the original charter
-to avoid confusion the existing group comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
moderated as opposed to splitting into several unruly groups.
CHARTER: comp.lang.asm.x86
The newly moderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be open to
discussions on all topics related to assembly language and low-level
programming on any machine using an x86 processor or its clones.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,:
Assembly language code tips, tricks, and techniques.
MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
NASM, and other non-commercial assemblers
Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
Assembly language related utilities commercial/share/free-ware
Linking assembly language with other languages
Inline x86 programming utilizing assembly emulators in higher
level languages
Propagation of non-commercial Internet x86 resources
Any question/discussion of the direct programming of the x86
Etc...
Topics that will be filtered are:
Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
Flames, personal attacks, insults, etc. HLL code, except when used
for low-level hardware programming. Product comparisons except when
presented in an unbiased fashion. Advertisements unrelated to
assembly programming or utilities. Posts in languages other than
English will be examined for approval
if any of the moderators can read the language in question. There
is no guarantee of approval for a post in any language other than
English.
The newsgroup will be moderated by a Moderation Board, consisting of a
Head Moderator and a pool of Backup Moderators. The moderation
process will be overseen by the Head Moderator, who may employ
assistants from the pool of Backup Moderators as the need arises. Only
members of the Moderation Board have the power authority to judge
posts.
The current moderation procedures and policies will be described in an
Administrative Statement, that will be maintained by the Head
Moderator, with any changes subject to veto by the Board. The
Statement will be posted to the group whenever it changes, and at
least once per month. It will be available at all times at an address
posted regularly in the group.
All posts to the group may be processed through moderation software
which will take one of the following actions on each article:
1. Reject it outright if it meets certain criteria;
2. Forward it to a Board member if it meets certain other
criteria; or
3. Post it immediately.
The criteria being used by either the moderation software or human
moderators will be described in the Administrative Statement. They
will not refer to the source of the articles except that the Head
Moderator may place certain individuals or sites which that repeatedly
try to post off-topic material on a "watch list," which will cause
their articles to be forwarded to a human moderator for review. The
Head Moderator may also declare certain off-topic discussion threads
to be "closed," so that no more articles in that thread will be
accepted.
Rejected articles will, if possible, be returned to the sender along
with a letter of explanation. Rejected articles may be appealed to an
address specified in the Administrative Statement and or in any letter
notice of rejection. If an article was rejected by a human moderator,
the appeal will be judged by a different moderator. In the event of
abuse of the appeals process, the Moderation Board will decide what
action will be taken to deal with the abuse.
An article will normally be subject to rejection only at the time it
is submitted. Canceling of articles after they have been posted
("retromoderation") will not be used for general content control.
Cancellations will be permitted only under the following special
circumstances:
1. When performed or requested by the original poster or by his or
her Internet Service Provider;
2. When performed by the Head Moderator, to cancel articles with
forged approvals; or
3. When performed by reputable third-party cancelers (as
determined by the Head Moderator), to cancel articles that are
widely considered to be undesirable in most of Usenet, e.g.,
binaries and excessively multi-posted articles ("spam").
4. When performed by the Head Moderator, to cancel articles that
were approved inadvertently, i.e., (to correct "mistakes").
In addition to rejecting inappropriate articles, the moderators may
take measures to discourage users from submitting such articles in the
first place, including:
1. Appending short "footers" to all posted articles, informing
newcomers of the purpose of the newsgroup and providing
references to more detailed information about the newsgroup, the
Usenet community, and the Internet in general; and
2. E-mailing "welcome" messages to all first-time posters,
containing similar information as in (1).
Other than appending a footer or adding headers, the moderators will
not modify the content of a posted article.
The Head Moderator will submit a report to the Moderation Board each
month, providing statistics on the functioning of the group, a summary
of the articles appealed, and a list of any changes to the
Administrative Statement or the moderation software. The Board may
instruct the Head Moderator to eliminate any automatic rejection or
forwarding criterion from the moderation software.
The Board may elect a new Head Moderator if the position becomes
vacant; the Head Moderator or the Board may appoint a Backup
Moderator to fill in for the Head Moderator during short periods of
absence.
The Board also has the power to remove a Head Moderator. It may
remove a Head Moderator who has been in office for less than six
weeks through a simple majority vote of all members. A Moderator who
has been in office for more than six weeks may only be removed by a
2/3 majority vote of those who have been on the Board for at least six
weeks.
The Board controls its own membership. It may admit new members with a
simple majority vote, or remove members who have served for less than
six weeks with a simple majority vote. Members who have served longer
than six weeks may only be removed by a 2/3 vote of those who have
been on the Board for at least six weeks. The Board will make a
good-faith effort to maintain a membership of at least three persons.
The working charter for the group may be modified by a 2/3 vote of
those who have been members of the Moderation Board for at least six
weeks. A copy of the current charter will be available at a location
given in the Administrative Statement.
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: comp.lang.asm.x86
Moderator: corylang@magicnet.net (Cory Langston)
Moderator: jim-neil@digital.net (Jim Neil)
Moderator: tl001@sn.no (Tore Lund)
Moderator: ccrayne@pacific.net (Chuck Crayne)
Moderator: gclind01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (David Lindauer)
Moderator: pc1@scigen.co.uk (Phil Carmody)
Moderator: zsw@iol.unh.edu (Zackery Waters)
Moderator: brenner@umr.edu (Corey Brenner)
Moderator: raymoon@moonware.dgsys.com (Ray Moon)
Administrative contact address: corylang@magicnet.net
Article submission address: corylang@magicnet.net
END MODERATOR INFO.
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--
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From mcq@wco.com Fri Aug 1 08:15:08 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: mcq@wco.com (Rebecca McQuitty)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.lang.asm,alt.msdos.programmer,comp.lang.asm.x86,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.os.msdos.programmer,rec.games.programmer
Subject: RESULT: moderate comp.lang.asm.x86 passes 198:19
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RESULT
moderated group comp.lang.asm.x86 (moderates existing group) passes 198:19
There were 198 YES votes and 19 NO votes, for a total of 217 valid
votes. There was 1 abstain and 4 invalid ballots.
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES
and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO
votes.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the
moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly
thereafter.
Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.asm.x86 Bulletin Board and Q&A for x86 assembly language topics. (Moderated)
The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 30 Jul 1997.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the
proposed group should be directed to the proponents.
Proponent: Cory Langston <corylang@magicnet.net>
Proponent: Jim Neil <jim-neil@digital.net>
Proponent: Tore Lund <tl001@sn.no>
Proponent: David Lindauer <gclind01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>
Proponent: Phil Carmody <pc1@scigen.co.uk>
Proponent: Zackery Waters <zsw@iol.unh.edu>
Proponent: Corey Brenner <brenner@umr.edu>
Proponent: Ray Moon <raymoon@moonware.dgsys.com>
Proponent: Chuck Crayne <ccrayne@pacific.net>
Votetaker: Rebecca McQuitty <mcq@wco.com>
RATIONALE: comp.lang.asm.x86
The current comp.lang.asm.x86 newsgroup has deviated from its original
charter. In the beginning, the group was created for the propagation
of knowledge regarding lowlevel programming of the x86 architecture.
Over the years this newsgroup has mutated into a an ongoing flamefest
regarding which langauge is better/worse, etc. Almost all of the
groups flames concern topics originally earmarked as discouragable in
the original group charter. Are the flames and threads which occupy
the group worthy of eternal debate? Does anyone really learn from
them? Flamefests have already proven themselves to be counter
productive to group development and are spawned by those who are
opposed to serious discussion of x86 assembly language related topics.
Those who truly wish to learn from or give assistance to questions
posted to the group are hindered by the various flames and threads
that consume it. It is estimated that since November 96 newsgroup
traffic has increased from 80 to 200 posts per day. Various readers
have confirmed that about 85 percent of this is due to off-topic
posts. Readers have been hindered if not totally turned away by the
constant barrage of threads and flames that hold this group captive.
Therefore, we propose moderation of the existing newsgroup in order to
promote unfettered communication between x86 understudies and their
community.
-Moderation is proposed to:
decrease the volume of off-topic posts and/or cross-posted threads
decrease the number of posts already answered in this newsgroup's FAQ
increase the significant on-topic content of posts
uphold the original charter
-to avoid confusion the existing group comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
moderated as opposed to splitting into several unruly groups.
CHARTER: comp.lang.asm.x86
The newly moderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be open to
discussions on all topics related to assembly language and low-level
programming on any machine using an x86 processor or its clones.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,:
Assembly language code tips, tricks, and techniques.
MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
NASM, and other non-commercial assemblers
Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
Assembly language related utilities commercial/share/free-ware
Linking assembly language with other languages
Inline x86 programming utilizing assembly emulators in higher
level languages
Propagation of non-commercial Internet x86 resources
Any question/discussion of the direct programming of the x86
Etc...
Topics that will be filtered are:
Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
Flames, personal attacks, insults, etc. HLL code, except when used
for low-level hardware programming. Product comparisons except when
presented in an unbiased fashion. Advertisements unrelated to
assembly programming or utilities. Posts in languages other than
English will be examined for approval
if any of the moderators can read the language in question. There
is no guarantee of approval for a post in any language other than
English.
The newsgroup will be moderated by a Moderation Board, consisting of a
Head Moderator and a pool of Backup Moderators. The moderation
process will be overseen by the Head Moderator, who may employ
assistants from the pool of Backup Moderators as the need arises. Only
members of the Moderation Board have the power authority to judge
posts.
The current moderation procedures and policies will be described in an
Administrative Statement, that will be maintained by the Head
Moderator, with any changes subject to veto by the Board. The
Statement will be posted to the group whenever it changes, and at
least once per month. It will be available at all times at an address
posted regularly in the group.
All posts to the group may be processed through moderation software
which will take one of the following actions on each article:
1. Reject it outright if it meets certain criteria;
2. Forward it to a Board member if it meets certain other
criteria; or
3. Post it immediately.
The criteria being used by either the moderation software or human
moderators will be described in the Administrative Statement. They
will not refer to the source of the articles except that the Head
Moderator may place certain individuals or sites which that repeatedly
try to post off-topic material on a "watch list," which will cause
their articles to be forwarded to a human moderator for review. The
Head Moderator may also declare certain off-topic discussion threads
to be "closed," so that no more articles in that thread will be
accepted.
Rejected articles will, if possible, be returned to the sender along
with a letter of explanation. Rejected articles may be appealed to an
address specified in the Administrative Statement and or in any letter
notice of rejection. If an article was rejected by a human moderator,
the appeal will be judged by a different moderator. In the event of
abuse of the appeals process, the Moderation Board will decide what
action will be taken to deal with the abuse.
An article will normally be subject to rejection only at the time it
is submitted. Canceling of articles after they have been posted
("retromoderation") will not be used for general content control.
Cancellations will be permitted only under the following special
circumstances:
1. When performed or requested by the original poster or by his or
her Internet Service Provider;
2. When performed by the Head Moderator, to cancel articles with
forged approvals; or
3. When performed by reputable third-party cancelers (as
determined by the Head Moderator), to cancel articles that are
widely considered to be undesirable in most of Usenet, e.g.,
binaries and excessively multi-posted articles ("spam").
4. When performed by the Head Moderator, to cancel articles that
were approved inadvertently, i.e., (to correct "mistakes").
In addition to rejecting inappropriate articles, the moderators may
take measures to discourage users from submitting such articles in the
first place, including:
1. Appending short "footers" to all posted articles, informing
newcomers of the purpose of the newsgroup and providing
references to more detailed information about the newsgroup, the
Usenet community, and the Internet in general; and
2. E-mailing "welcome" messages to all first-time posters,
containing similar information as in (1).
Other than appending a footer or adding headers, the moderators will
not modify the content of a posted article.
The Head Moderator will submit a report to the Moderation Board each
month, providing statistics on the functioning of the group, a summary
of the articles appealed, and a list of any changes to the
Administrative Statement or the moderation software. The Board may
instruct the Head Moderator to eliminate any automatic rejection or
forwarding criterion from the moderation software.
The Board may elect a new Head Moderator if the position becomes
vacant; the Head Moderator or the Board may appoint a Backup
Moderator to fill in for the Head Moderator during short periods of
absence.
The Board also has the power to remove a Head Moderator. It may
remove a Head Moderator who has been in office for less than six
weeks through a simple majority vote of all members. A Moderator who
has been in office for more than six weeks may only be removed by a
2/3 majority vote of those who have been on the Board for at least six
weeks.
The Board controls its own membership. It may admit new members with a
simple majority vote, or remove members who have served for less than
six weeks with a simple majority vote. Members who have served longer
than six weeks may only be removed by a 2/3 vote of those who have
been on the Board for at least six weeks. The Board will make a
good-faith effort to maintain a membership of at least three persons.
The working charter for the group may be modified by a 2/3 vote of
those who have been members of the Moderation Board for at least six
weeks. A copy of the current charter will be available at a location
given in the Administrative Statement.
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: comp.lang.asm.x86
Moderator: corylang@magicnet.net (Cory Langston)
Moderator: jim-neil@digital.net (Jim Neil)
Moderator: tl001@sn.no (Tore Lund)
Moderator: ccrayne@pacific.net (Chuck Crayne)
Moderator: gclind01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (David Lindauer)
Moderator: pc1@scigen.co.uk (Phil Carmody)
Moderator: zsw@iol.unh.edu (Zackery Waters)
Moderator: brenner@umr.edu (Corey Brenner)
Moderator: raymoon@moonware.dgsys.com (Ray Moon)
Administrative contact address: corylang@magicnet.net
Article submission address: corylang@magicnet.net
END MODERATOR INFO.
comp.lang.asm.x86 (moderates existing group) Final Vote Ack
Voted Yes
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add@csolve.net Mike Monett
alan.ralph@ukonline.co.uk Alan Ralph
ark@research.att.com Andrew Koenig
balloon@eraserco.demon.co.uk Malcolm Loades
becker@arkres.com Bill Becker
Beland@upei.ca Marc Beland <Beland@upei.ca>
beppu@ea.oac.uci.edu John Beppu
bikenaga@marauder.millersv.edu Bruce Ikenaga
blackbird@modebox.gun.de Iber
BLBPersEng@aol.com Brian Lloyd Bishop
bmd@torcon.com Bruce DeVisser
brenner@umr.edu Corey Douglas Brenner
bsmith@sudleyplace.com Bob Smith
btrot@geocities.com Brendan Trotter
bw5573@Bristol.ac.uk Ben Williams
c.v.willegen@spc.nl Christ van Willegen
callahan@oly.silverlink.net Rick Spates
camelid@sofnet.com John Schnoor
carey@holmes.ucdavis.edu Carey Huscroft
chriseb@nortel.ca Chris Ebenezer
coleman@leland.Stanford.EDU Michele Coleman
combee@techwood.org Ben Combee
corylang@magicnet.net Cory M. Langston
d.kiely@ieee.org Don Kiely
d95-rpe@nospam.nada.kth.se Roland Persson
Dan.Pop@cern.ch Dan Pop
danbates@flash.net Daniel L. Bates
dant@ibm.net Dan Tyrrell
Darryl_Palmer_Jr@msn.com Darryl Palmer Jr.
DavMac@iname.com Davin McCall
deeng@inficad.com Joel Hardy
dstokely@worldnet.att.net David Stokely
Ed_Beroset@msn.com Ed Beroset
eli@NetUSA.Net B. E. Griffin
elling@post1.tele.dk Morten Elling
ericl@emu.com Eric W. Lange
erik@hannibal.campus.luth.se Erik Lundgren
erw@dde.dk Erwin S. Andreasen
etldlcs@etlxdmx.ericsson.se Dan Chalmers
eugeneng@pacific.net.sg Eugene Ng
euthke@siam.muc.de Ekkehard Uthke
farquhar@wny.com Halina Farquhar
faybs@iafrica.com Fabian Nunez
femcon@dalnet.se Kimmo Juujarvi
Fernando.Manuel.Ramos.Soares@uninova.pt Fernando Soares
filipe@individual.eunet.pt Filipe
foggy@mailbox.dsnet.it Roberto Orsini
frank.faubert@sympatico.ca Frank Faubert
fred@genesis.demon.co.uk Lawrence Kirby
frvit@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Oliver Obst
fw@cygnus.stuttgart.netsurf.de Florian Weimer
gavin@senator.demon.co.uk Gavin Estey
gbzzrgxs@ibmmail.com Geoff Stevens (Geoffrey de Veloper)
gclind01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu David Lindauer
gerrit@fs1.bouw.tno.nl G.J. Doornink
ghane@cmie.ernet.in Sanjeev K Gupta
gibson@bluestem.prairienet.org Mark Gibson
gls@infinet.com Gary L. Smith
grd2@rfc.comm.harris.com Gary R. Dennis
gregfra@microsoft.com Greg Franklin
greg_elkin@phoenix.com Greg Elkin
grovej@capes1.vector.co.za Jacques Grove
GSPENCER@a1.stim.tec.tn.us Garry Spencer
guymacon@deltanet.com Guy Macon
Hank_Oredson@MENTORG.COM Hank Oredson
Heinrich.Schramm@t-online.de Heinrich Schramm
hendrida@btmaa.bel.alcatel.be Danny Hendrickx
hh299@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Jim Baranovich
hoh@approve.se Goran Larsson
hugo.parr@login.eunet.no Leif Ragnar Parr
ian@ikingston.demon.co.uk Ian Kingston
inocent@exis.net Robert August Vincent II
j414@midway.uchicago.edu Mary-Frances Jagod
jackklein@worldnet.att.net Jack Klein
janoss@hpvcln.vcd.hp.com Janos Szamosfalvi
jcoffin@taeus.com Jerry Coffin
JDTucker@PrairieNet.Org James Tucker
jennfoo@mindspring.com Charles Hoffmann
jesp@intercable.net Jesus Eugenio Sanchez
jfoy@muq.org Jeff Foy
jgd@cix.compulink.co.uk John Dallman
jim-neil@digital.net Jim Neil
jim@jtan.com Jim Paris
jkirwan@ix.netcom.com Jonathan Kirwan
jmartin@ugrad.cs.ualberta.ca Jon Martin
jmiettin@cc.joensuu.fi Jani Miettinen
jmlait@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca Jeff Lait
johmann@atlantic.net Kurt Johmann
john@curved-logic.com John Harries
john@polo.demon.co.uk John H. Winters
johnb@flashpnt.com John Bernstein
John_Mccue/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com John F. McCue
jpc@drum.msfc.nasa.gov J. Porter Clark
jrr@atml.co.uk John Rickard
jwdare@novia.net J. Ward Dare, Jr.
jwilloug@gate.net Jason Willoughby
JZXGY9@MSUSAH02.MIAHM01.eds.com Ralph L. DeCarli
kagroves@globec.com.au Kim Groves
kalle@dalheimer.hh.eunet.de Matthias Kalle Dalheimer
kkoniec@mks.com.pl Kamil Konieczny
kro@post3.tele.dk Karl Olsen
kugelman@mnsinc.com John Kugelman
kvigor@ascend.com Kevin Vigor
kwmelvin@nr.infi.net Kenneth W. Melvin
L.Serni@agora.stm.it Leonardo Serni
Laurent.Garnier@irisa.fr Laurent Garnier
lindsay-j@rmc.ca John Lindsay
list-votes@dream.hb.north.de Martin Schr"oder
lynch@cci.de Andrew Lynch
M.A.Brown-4@sms.ed.ac.uk Mark Alexander Brown
M.Biddiscombe@ucl.ac.uk Martin Biddiscombe
M.Ferenduros@btinternet.com Michael Ferenduros
Mark_Sashihara@mta1.lotus.com Mark Sashihara
marl@rmplc.co.uk Liam
mayhew@wku.edu Larry Mayhew
mbest@com.org Michael Best
mbm@mort.demon.co.uk Malcolm Mladenovic
mduigou@fwb.com Mike Duigou
mellon+usenet@pobox.com Anatoly Vorobey
michael@fagmed.uit.no Michael Hinz
Michael_Goldbach@tbb.maus.de Michael Goldbach
Mick.Brown@ibm.net Mick Brown
mike.paff@cubic.com Michael Paff
mkl@rob.cs.tu-bs.de Mario Klebsch
ml@otherkids.com Matt Lundberg
mlh@zip.com.au Matthew Hannigan
mmastrac@acs.ucalgary.ca Matt Mastracci
naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de Christian Weisgerber
Nicolas.Moureaux@loria.fr Nicolas Moureaux
Nigel.Bruin.1559489@bnr.ca Nigel Bruin
niki@arima.ee.sun.ac.za Niki Steenkamp
nothing@pi.net
p.steiner@t-online.de Peter Steiner
patrick.dostert@cie.etat.lu DOSTERT Patrick
Paul.Bernhardt@m.cc.utah.edu Paul Bernhardt
Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net Paul N. Lee
Paul@pcrompton.demon.co.uk Paul Crompton
Paul_Mohr@juno.com Paul Mohr
paxil@inorth.on.ca Trevor Tymchuk
pc1@scigen.co.uk Phil Carmody
pete@lmic.state.mn.us Pete Olson
pfg@yallara.cs.rmit.EDU.AU Paul Francis Gilbert
pfund3@uni2a.unige.ch Daniel Pfund
piarulli@got.it Bruno Piarulli
PRINSRA@WCG.CO.UK Robert AH Prins
pwolf@qualcomm.com Paul Wolf
qed@chromatic.com Paul Hsieh
r.blum@advertainment.com Robert Blum
rauge@hay.net R. Augi
rayb@shofixti.fc.hp.com Raymond Bingham
raymoon@moonware.dgsys.com Raymond Moon
RBOliver@ix.netcom.com Robert B. Oliver
rene.herman@tip.nl Rene Herman
rhyde@cs.ucr.edu Randall Hyde
ribwoods@execpc.com Richard B. Woods
rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard Miller
rrughoon@mipos3.intel.com Rudi Rughoonundon
s207117@student.uq.edu.au Shiyaz Rasheed
s990400@oberon.hs.gettysburg.edu Gregg Kelley
salyzyn@dpt.com Mark Salyzyn
samir@miami.mindspring.com Sam Barjoud
samuelc@cgy.valmet.com Samuel Chow
sandmann@clio.rice.edu Charles Sandmann
schuld@btv.ibm.com David W. Schuler
scott@calvin.gawd.mb.ca Scott Armstrong
scottm@interlog.com Scott Murray
sdrake@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Steve Drake
seebs@solon.com Peter Seebach
sgs1@scigen.co.uk Gavin Smyth
sneeches@cruzio.com Christopher Mangum
stever@owl.co.uk Steven Reid
SteveRush@aol.com Stephen J. Rush
stoferj@nationwide.com James Stofer
T.Bowden@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK Tony Bowden
TanAlpha@aol.com Walter Saegesser
tcnagy@novice.uwaterloo.ca Tom Nagy
techint@winternet.com ed bertsch
tennyo.muc.de!martin@tennyo.muc.de Martin Goebbel
terryc@tenberry.com Terry Colligan
thogard@not.abnormal.com Tim Hogard
thomas@bass.almac.co.uk Thomas Molesworth
tl001@sn.no Tore Lund
tonyb@null.net Tony Basoglu
trill@xnetbook.demon.co.uk James MacDonald
tudor@CAM.ORG Tutu Tudor Victor
tuomo@cs.chalmers.se Tuomo Takkula
TUTTLEdj@aol.com Doug Tuttle
usurper@euronet.nl Paul Mesken
v-donn@wolfram.com Don Neufeld
vesa.karjalainen@hel.fi Vesa Karjalainen
vlad@tarzan.cr.cyco.com Vladislav Kaipetsky
wgalazka@chem.uw.edu.pl Wojciech Galazka
widenius@ling.helsinki.fi Risto Widenius
wmcclain@salamander.com William McClain
wmm@sxb.bsf.alcatel.fr William McNicol
ykhan@achilles.net Yousuf Khan
zach@instantplanet.com Zach Baker
ZARDOS@picca.ndh.com Randolf Boes
Voted No
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AlanLivingston@acm.org Alan J. Livingston
booda@datasync.com Martin H. Booda
carroll@tjc.com Terry Carroll
dputzolu@teleport.com David M. Putzolu
gpr96002@uconnvm.uconn.edu G.P. Ryan
huug@poboxes.com huug
john1@world.std.com Fred Cherry
k95dl01@cc.kzoo.edu Dan Lawson
m.maury@jakebox.sax.east.de Marco Maury
maskedfrog@iquest.net George Willis
msoysal@mistik.express.net Mustafa Soysal MS57
olav@viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar
patl@lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. LoPresti
peter@seahaze.demon.co.uk Peter Hayes
red@rahul.net CCI
stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown
tlawson@amug.org Todd C. Lawson
torsop@ix.netcom.com James Van Buskirk
walterco@adnc.com Barbara Walter
Abstained
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kebera@achilles.net Krishna E. Bera
Votes in error
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mg31233@gaia.swip.net Ronald Nordberg.
! No ballot
Simon.Lodal@intercomputing.dk Simon Lodal
! No vote statement in message
spamoff@forgetit.com.au paul hamden
! Invalid address
user@mindspring.com Isaac Clark
! Invalid address
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