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From [email protected] Sat Jan 22 17:53:26 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Dean Youngquist <[email protected]> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.electronics Subject: RFD: sci.electronics reorganization Followup-To: news.groups Date: 13 Jan 1994 19:25:15 -0500 Organization: orst.edu Lines: 38 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4474 news.groups:91846 sci.electronics:75567 This is a request for discussion in accordance with USENET guidelines. I am proposing that we add the following unmoderated newsgroups. We will be voting on group creation group by group, its not a package deal. The purpose of this discussion is to select a name and charter for each desired new group. 1. sci.electronics.home for VCR repair, speakers, how to charge batteries, sterios, am/fm radio, TVs camcorders, etc. 2. sci.electronic.design For microcontrollers, microprocessors, digital and analog circuit design. Hopefully this will encourage more exchanges between persons involved in electronic design. 3. sci.electronics.forsale Buying and selling of electronic gear and components, surplus ICs, test equipment. These items seem to get lost in misc.forsale. Then we rename sci.electronics to sci.electronics.misc as a forum for general questions such as: How to influence the stop lights in your city. How to make an electric car. How does my xxx??? work ? Discussion is limited to 30 days. If no general agreement is reached in 30 days the discusion will be taken off line, to email. After a general agreement is reached on the name and charter for each group we will have a formal vote on each proposed group. The voting period will be at least 21 days and not more than 31 days. To create a group we need to have 100 more YES votes than No votes, AND we need a 2/3 majority. If you want any other groups like a sci.electronics.acad or something, now would be a good time to discuss it. -- Dean Youngquist | [email protected] | From [email protected] Mon Jul 31 13:38:58 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Mark Zenier) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.electronics,sci.electronics.cad,sci.electronics.repair Subject: RFD: sci.electronics reorganization Followup-To: news.groups Date: 31 Jul 1995 17:38:08 -0000 Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Lines: 170 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: sci.electronics-reorg Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7245 news.groups:162077 sci.electronics:143719 sci.electronics.cad:3575 sci.electronics.repair:13535 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group sci.electronics.help unmoderated group sci.electronics.history unmoderated group sci.electronics.components unmoderated group sci.electronics.circuits unmoderated group sci.electronics.equipment unmoderated group misc.industry.electronics.marketplace unmoderated group sci.electronics.misc (renames sci.electronics) Summary: Split of sci.electronics Proponent: Mark Zenier, [email protected], [email protected] Rationale: Traffic in the sci.electronics newsgroup has reached a level (circa 200 posts a day, peak) where it is difficult to deal with. This proposal is a split based on a rough classification of the current traffic. This proposal is an attempt to follow through with the results of a lengthy discussion in the group that occured this spring and early summer. Philosophy: This is strictly a split based on the current topics discussed in the group. Rather than build a list of topics that "it would be nice to have", a proposed group had to have some (subjective) level of traffic in the group on its topics already. In the previous discussion on the split that occured in the group, several proposals for groups were raised that had merit, but didn't have a large amount of traffic. Specifically, on the subject of manufacturing engineering and, electromagnetic compatibility and compliance to regulations. I chose not to propose these groups at this time. I feel that groups these groups are of professional interest and would be better placed in a currently nonexistent sci.engr.electrical hierarchy. Current groups not included in this proposal: sci.electronics.repair sci.electronics.cad Proposed Groups: Sci.electronics.misc General discussions of the field of electronics. (To replace the current sci.electronics) Rationale: Per the normal convention, this is renameing of the existing sci.electronics group. Charter: General discussions on the topic of electronics. (Discussions on the relative merits of various consumer electronics equipment are better held in the groups in the rec hierarchy devoted to those topics.) Sci.electronics.help elementary questions about electronics Rationale: A reasonable portion (depending on the time of year relative to the school term) of the traffic is beginners questions. A number of novice users have complained that the volume of traffic, and the perceived unfriendliness of the group acts as an inhibition to free discussions. Charter: A forum for discussion of electronics where there is no such thing as a stupid question. Beginners questions. Discussion of electronics education. Requests for other sources of information. Sci.electronics.history Tesla, Edison, Marconi ... Rationale: A reasonable portion of the traffic is discussion on historical figures in the electronics field, technical milestones, and various trivia. Charter: Discussion of the history of the field of electronics. The accomplishments of historical figures (Tesla, Edison and so on). The discussion of obselete electronic and electric technology. The perpetual discussion of what BNC stands for and other trivia. Sci.electronics.components integrated circuits, resistors, capacitors Sci.electronics.circuits electronic circuit design Sci.electronics.equipment test, laboratory, and industrial electronic products Rationale: These three groups are an attempt to categorize the traffic into seperatable subfields. The usual proposals for splitting the group usually start with proposing splits along either applications (audio, automotive, computer ...) or along what would best be called design specialization (analog, digital, ...). The problem with the first is that the underlying methods and techniques are the same across the field, and for the second, the dividing line is blurred (and the most interesting part of the field). The split proposed here is to use a level of complexity. In most cases, the poster is looking for an answer to their questions on only one level. The proposed components group is for questions dealing with individual parts. Someone working on this level is looking for a specific function or source or indentification for an electronic component. Postings requesting the indentification of an integrated circuit are a large portion of the current traffic. The circuit group is for persons combining components into circuits. Discussion on design solutions and techniques. The equipment group is for persons looking for already available solutions to their problems. Sci.electronics.components integrated circuits, resistors, capacitors Charter: Discussions of electronics at the component level. The use, limitations, and identification of resistors, capacitors, integrated circuits, connectors, enclosures, ... and so on. Locations and contact informations for Manufacturers, Distributors, and other sources for supply and technical information. Sci.electronics.circuits electronic circuit design Charter: Discussions relevant to the design of electronics circuits. Sci.electronics.equipment test, laboratory, and industrial electronic products Charter: Discussion of the application and internal operation and relative merits of test equipment, laboratory equipment, and industrial equipment. (Discussions on the relative merits of various consumer electronics equipment are better held in the groups in the rec hierarchy devoted to those topics.) misc.industry.electronics.marketplace marketplace for electronics components, equipment, and services Rationale: A reasonable portion of the existing traffic is persons and companies selling or wanting to buy electronics components, equipment and services. The postings can be categorized as persons at companies needing production quantities of scare parts, people cleaning out their basements, and commercial advertisements for services. Charter: Advertisment and discussion for the buying, selling, and bartering of electronic components (integrated circuits, resistor, capacitors, etc.), electronics test equipment, electronics laboratory equipment, electronics industrial equipment, and services used for the production of electronics. NO CONSUMER ELECTRONICS - NO AUDIO, VIDEO, or HOME COMPUTERS. Distribution: This Request For Discussion is to be posted in sci.electronics, sci.electronics.cad, sci.electronics.repair, and news.groups. Voting Procedure: This is NOT a ballot for a vote. This posting is to initiate a discussion, to occur in the news.groups newsgroup, about the proposal. This discussion will last about a month, and not less than 21 days. If a consensus can be reached in the discussion, whoever the proponent is at that time will send the revised proposal to the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers who will then post the official ballot giving the procedure for voting. This vote will then last about a month, details to be in the offical Call For Vote ballot posting. Mark Zenier [email protected] [email protected] From [email protected] Fri Aug 25 17:01:13 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Mark Zenier) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.electronics,sci.electronics.cad,sci.electronics.repair,alt.engineering.electrical,sci.engr.semiconductors Subject: 2nd RFD: sci.electronics reorganization Followup-To: news.groups Date: 25 Aug 1995 21:01:05 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 200 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: sci.electronics-reorg Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7405 news.groups:165909 sci.electronics:147409 sci.electronics.cad:3877 sci.electronics.repair:14647 alt.engineering.electrical:440 sci.engr.semiconductors:4180 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group misc.industry.electronics.marketplace unmoderated group sci.electronics.components unmoderated group sci.electronics.design unmoderated group sci.electronics.equipment unmoderated group sci.electronics.help unmoderated group sci.electronics.history unmoderated group sci.electronics.misc (renames sci.electronics) Summary: Split of sci.electronics Proponent: Mark Zenier, [email protected], [email protected] This is a second Request for Discussion for the sci.electronics reorganization. As a result of the discussions and email, a group name was changed, and per the UVV requirements, votes are allowed only groups whose exact name appeared in an official RFD. In addition, other related groups were added to the crossposting list in inform the users of those groups of this discussion. Changes since the last RFD: The name sci.electronics.circuits was changed to sci.electronics design as commenters felt that it was ambiguous with sci.electronics.components and sci.engr.semicondutors, comp.lsi, alt.electronics.analog.vlsi. RATIONALE: all groups Traffic in the sci.electronics newsgroup has reached a level (circa 200 posts a day, peak) where it is difficult to deal with. This proposal is a split based on a rough classification of the current traffic. This proposal is an attempt to follow through with the results of a lengthy discussion in the group that occured this spring and early summer. This is strictly a split based on the current topics discussed in the group. Rather than build a list of topics that "it would be nice to have", a proposed group had to have some (subjective) level of traffic in the group on its topics already. In the previous discussion on the split that occured in the sci.electronics group, several proposals for groups were raised that had merit, but didn't have a large amount of traffic. Specifically, on the subject of manufacturing engineering and, electromagnetic compatibility and compliance to regulations. I chose not to propose these groups at this time. I feel that groups these groups are of professional interest and would be better placed in a currently nonexistent sci.engr.electrical hierarchy. Current groups not included in this proposal: sci.electronics.repair sci.electronics.cad NEWSGROUP LINES: sci.electronics.misc General discussions of the field of electronics. sci.electronics.help Elementary questions about electronics. sci.electronics.history Tesla, Edison, Marconi ... sci.electronics.components integrated circuits, resistors, capacitors. sci.electronics.design electronic circuit design sci.electronics.equipment Test, lab, & industrial electronic products. misc.industry.electronics.marketplace Electronics products & services. RATIONALE: sci.electronics.misc (To rename the current sci.electronics) Per the normal convention, this is renameing of the existing sci.electronics group. CHARTER: sci.electronics.misc General discussions on the topic of electronics. (Discussions on the relative merits of various consumer electronics equipment are better held in the groups in the rec hierarchy devoted to those topics.) END CHARTER. RATIONALE: sci.electronics.help A reasonable portion (depending on the time of year relative to the school term) of the traffic is beginners questions. A number of novice users have complained that the volume of traffic, and the perceived unfriendliness of the group acts as an inhibition to free discussions. CHARTER: sci.electronics.help A forum for discussion of electronics where there is no such thing as a stupid question. Beginners questions. Discussion of electronics education. Requests for other sources of information. END CHARTER. RATIONALE: sci.electronics.history A reasonable portion of the traffic is discussion on historical figures in the electronics field, technical milestones, and various trivia. CHARTER: sci.electronics.history Discussion of the history of the field of electronics. The accomplishments of historical figures (Tesla, Edison and so on). The discussion of obselete electronic and electric technology. The perpetual discussion of what BNC stands for and other trivia. RATIONALE: sci.electronics.components, sci.electronics.design, sci.electronics.equipment These three groups are an attempt to categorize the traffic into seperatable subfields. The usual proposals for splitting the group usually start with proposing splits along either applications (audio, automotive, computer ...) or along what would best be called design specialization (analog, digital, ...). The problem with the first is that the underlying methods and techniques are the same across the field, and for the second, the dividing line is blurred (and the most interesting part of the field). The split proposed here is set up on levels of complexity. In this field of technology, people look for solutions to problems along these levels. Somone who is looking for a box that solves their problems is working at a higher level of detail than someone who is designing a module (circuit board) and that second person is working at a higher level than someone looking for a prebuilt integrated circuit that they need to purchase. The proposed components group is for questions dealing with individual parts. Someone working on this level is looking for a specific function or source or indentification for an electronic component. Postings requesting the indentification of an integrated circuit are a large portion of the current traffic. The design group is for persons combining components into circuits. Discussion on design solutions and techniques. The equipment group is for persons looking for already available solutions to their problems. CHARTER: sci.electronics.components Discussions of electronics at the component level. The use, limitations, and identification of resistors, capacitors, integrated circuits, connectors, enclosures, ... and so on. Locations and contact informations for Manufacturers, Distributors, and other sources for supply and technical information. END CHARTER. CHARTER: sci.electronics.design Discussions relevant to the design of electronics circuits. CHARTER: sci.electronics.equipment Discussion of the application and internal operation and relative merits of test equipment, laboratory equipment, and industrial equipment. This is not a forsale group. Buying/selling is supposed to occur in the relocated misc.industry.electronics.forsale group. (Discussions on the relative merits of various consumer electronics equipment are better held in the groups in the rec hierarchy devoted to those topics.) RATIONALE: misc.industry.electronics.marketplace A reasonable portion of the existing traffic is persons and companies selling or wanting to buy electronics components, equipment and services. The postings can be categorized as persons at companies needing production quantities of scare parts, people cleaning out their basements, and commercial advertisements for services. CHARTER: misc.industry.electronics.marketplace Advertisment and discussion for the buying, selling, and bartering of electronic components (integrated circuits, resistor, capacitors, etc.), electronics test equipment, electronics laboratory equipment, electronics industrial equipment, and services used for the production of electronics. NO CONSUMER ELECTRONICS - NO AUDIO, VIDEO, or HOME COMPUTERS. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This is NOT a ballot for a vote. This posting is to initiate a discussion, to occur in the news.groups newsgroup, about the proposal. This discussion will last about a month, and not less than 21 days. If a consensus can be reached in the discussion, whoever the proponent is at that time will send the revised proposal to the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers who will then post the official ballot giving the procedure for voting. This vote will then last about a month, details to be in the offical Call For Vote ballot posting. DISTRIBUTION: This Request For Discussion is to be posted in sci.electronics, sci.electronics.cad, sci.electronics.repair, alt.engineering.electrical, sci.engr.semicondutors, alt.electronics.analog.vlsi -- Mark Zenier [email protected] [email protected] From [email protected] Mon Sep 11 18:50:49 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Mark Zenier) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.electronics,sci.electronics.cad,sci.electronics.repair,alt.engineering.electrical,sci.engr.semiconductors Subject: 3rd RFD: sci.electronics reorganization Followup-To: news.groups Date: 11 Sep 1995 22:50:39 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 201 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: sci.electronics-reorg Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7483 news.groups:167248 sci.electronics:150117 sci.electronics.cad:4102 sci.electronics.repair:15329 alt.engineering.electrical:637 sci.engr.semiconductors:4384 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group misc.industry.electronics.marketplace unmoderated group sci.electronics.components unmoderated group sci.electronics.design unmoderated group sci.electronics.equipment unmoderated group sci.electronics.basics unmoderated group sci.electronics.history unmoderated group sci.electronics.misc (renames sci.electronics) Summary: Split of sci.electronics Proponent: Mark Zenier, [email protected], [email protected] This is a third Request for Discussion for the sci.electronics reorganization. As a result of the discussions and email, another group name was changed, and per the UVV requirements, votes are allowed only groups whose exact name appeared in an official RFD. Changes since the last RFD: The name sci.electronics.help was changed to sci.electronics.basics (suggested by Andew Mahon) as several comments in the discussion felt that sci.electronics.help was too general and did not match the charter for that group. Changes since the first RFD: The name sci.electronics.circuits was changed to sci.electronics design as commenters felt that it was ambiguous with sci.electronics.components and sci.engr.semicondutors, comp.lsi, alt.electronics.analog.vlsi. NEWSGROUP LINES: sci.electronics.misc General discussions of the field of electronics. sci.electronics.basics Elementary questions about electronics. sci.electronics.history Tesla, Edison, Marconi ... sci.electronics.components integrated circuits, resistors, capacitors. sci.electronics.design electronic circuit design sci.electronics.equipment Test, lab, & industrial electronic products. misc.industry.electronics.marketplace Electronics products & services. RATIONALE: all groups Traffic in the sci.electronics newsgroup has reached a level (circa 200 posts a day, peak) where it is difficult to deal with. This proposal is a split based on a rough classification of the current traffic. This proposal is an attempt to follow through with the results of a lengthy discussion in the group that occured this spring and early summer. This is strictly a split based on the current topics discussed in the group. Rather than build a list of topics that "it would be nice to have", a proposed group had to have some (subjective) level of traffic in the group on its topics already. Current groups not included in this proposal: sci.electronics.repair sci.electronics.cad RATIONALE: sci.electronics.misc (To rename the current sci.electronics) Per the normal convention, this is renameing of the existing sci.electronics group. CHARTER: sci.electronics.misc General discussions on the topic of electronics. (Discussions on the relative merits of various consumer electronics equipment are better held in the groups in the rec hierarchy devoted to those topics.) END CHARTER. RATIONALE: sci.electronics.basics A reasonable portion (depending on the time of year relative to the school term) of the traffic is beginners questions. A number of novice users have complained that the volume of traffic, and the perceived unfriendliness of the group acts as an inhibition to free discussions. CHARTER: sci.electronics.basics A forum for discussion of electronics where there is no such thing as a stupid question. Beginners questions. Discussion of electronics education. Requests for other sources of information. END CHARTER. RATIONALE: sci.electronics.history A reasonable portion of the traffic is discussion on historical figures in the electronics field, technical milestones, and various trivia. CHARTER: sci.electronics.history Discussion of the history of the field of electronics. The accomplishments of historical figures (Tesla, Edison and so on). The discussion of obselete electronic and electric technology. The perpetual discussion of what BNC stands for and other trivia. END CHARTER. RATIONALE: sci.electronics.components, sci.electronics.design, sci.electronics.equipment These three groups are an attempt to categorize the traffic into seperatable subfields. The usual proposals for splitting the group usually start with proposing splits along either applications (audio, automotive, computer ...) or along what would best be called design specialization (analog, digital, ...). The problem with the first is that the underlying methods and techniques are the same across the field, and for the second, the dividing line is blurred (and the most interesting part of the field). The split proposed here is set up on levels of complexity. In this field of technology, people look for solutions to problems along these levels. Somone who is looking for a box that solves their problems is working at a higher level of detail than someone who is designing a module (circuit board) and that second person is working at a higher level than someone looking for a prebuilt integrated circuit that they need to purchase. The proposed components group is for questions dealing with individual parts. Someone working on this level is looking for a specific function or source or indentification for an electronic component. Postings requesting the indentification of an integrated circuit are a large portion of the current traffic. The design group is for persons combining components into circuits. Discussion on design solutions and techniques. The equipment group is for persons looking for already available solutions to their problems. CHARTER: sci.electronics.components Discussions of electronics at the component level. The use, limitations, and identification of resistors, capacitors, integrated circuits, connectors, enclosures, ... and so on. Locations and contact informations for Manufacturers, Distributors, and other sources for supply and technical information. END CHARTER. CHARTER: sci.electronics.design Discussions relevant to the design of electronics circuits. END CHARTER. CHARTER: sci.electronics.equipment Discussion of the application and internal operation and relative merits of test equipment, laboratory equipment, and industrial equipment. This is not a forsale group. Buying/selling is supposed to occur in the relocated misc.industry.electronics.forsale group. (Discussions on the relative merits of various consumer electronics equipment are better held in the groups in the rec hierarchy devoted to those topics.) END CHARTER. RATIONALE: misc.industry.electronics.marketplace A reasonable portion of the existing traffic is persons and companies selling or wanting to buy electronics components, equipment and services. The postings can be categorized as persons at companies needing production quantities of scare parts, people cleaning out their basements, and commercial advertisements for services. CHARTER: misc.industry.electronics.marketplace Advertisment and discussion for the buying, selling, and bartering of electronic components (integrated circuits, resistor, capacitors, etc.), electronics test equipment, electronics laboratory equipment, electronics industrial equipment, and services used for the production of electronics. NO CONSUMER ELECTRONICS - NO AUDIO, VIDEO, or HOME COMPUTERS. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This is NOT a ballot for a vote. This posting is to initiate a discussion, to occur in the news.groups newsgroup, about the proposal. This discussion will last about a month, and not less than 21 days. If a consensus can be reached in the discussion, whoever the proponent is at that time will send the revised proposal to the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers who will then post the official ballot giving the procedure for voting. This vote will then last about a month, details to be in the offical Call For Vote ballot posting. DISTRIBUTION: This Request For Discussion is to be posted in sci.electronics, sci.electronics.cad, sci.electronics.repair, alt.engineering.electrical, sci.engr.semicondutors, alt.electronics.analog.vlsi -- Mark Zenier [email protected] [email protected] From [email protected] Mon Oct 2 11:01:00 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Bill Aten) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.engineering.electrical,sci.electronics,sci.electronics.cad,sci.electronics.repair,sci.engr.semiconductors Subject: CFV: sci.electronics reorganization Followup-To: poster Date: 2 Oct 1995 15:00:45 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 249 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 24 Oct 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: sci.electronics Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7650 news.groups:169226 alt.engineering.electrical:758 sci.electronics:153631 sci.electronics.cad:4524 sci.electronics.repair:16239 sci.engr.semiconductors:4702 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group misc.industry.electronics.marketplace unmoderated group sci.electronics.basics unmoderated group sci.electronics.components unmoderated group sci.electronics.design unmoderated group sci.electronics.equipment unmoderated group sci.electronics.history unmoderated group sci.electronics.misc (renames sci.electronics) Newsgroups lines: sci.electronics.misc General discussions of the field of electronics. sci.electronics.basics Elementary questions about electronics. sci.electronics.history Tesla, Edison, Marconi ... sci.electronics.components Integrated circuits, resistors, capacitors. sci.electronics.design Electronic circuit design. sci.electronics.equipment Test, lab, & industrial electronic products. misc.industry.electronics.marketplace Electronics products & services. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 23 Oct 1995. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Mark Zenier <[email protected]> or <[email protected]> Votetaker: Bill Aten <[email protected]> RATIONALE: all groups Traffic in the sci.electronics newsgroup has reached a level (circa 200 posts a day, peak) where it is difficult to deal with. This proposal is a split based on a rough classification of the current traffic. This proposal is an attempt to follow through with the results of a lengthy discussion in the group that occurred this spring. RATIONALE: sci.electronics.misc (To rename the current sci.electronics) Per the normal convention, this is renaming of the existing sci.electronics group. RATIONALE: sci.electronics.basics A reasonable portion (depending on the time of year relative to the school term) of the traffic is beginners questions. A number of novice users have complained that the volume of traffic, and the perceived unfriendliness of the group acts as an inhibition to free discussions. RATIONALE: sci.electronics.history A reasonable portion of the traffic is discussion on historical figures in the electronics field, technical milestones, and various trivia. RATIONALE: sci.electronics.components, sci.electronics.design, sci.electronics.equipment These three groups are an attempt to categorize the traffic into separate subfields. The usual proposals for splitting the group typically start with proposing splits along either applications (audio, automotive, computer ...) or along what would best be called design specialization (analog, digital, ...). The problem with the first is that the underlying methods and techniques are the same across the field, and for the second, the dividing line is blurred (and the most interesting part of the field). The split proposed here is set up on levels of complexity. In this field of technology, people look for solutions to problems along these levels. Someone who is looking for a box that solves their problems is working at a higher level of detail than someone who is designing a module (circuit board) and that second person is working at a higher level than someone looking for a prebuilt integrated circuit that they need to purchase. The proposed components group is for questions dealing with individual parts. Someone working on this level is looking for a specific function or source or identification for an electronic component. Postings requesting the identification of an integrated circuit are a large portion of the current traffic. The design group is for persons combining components into circuits. Discussion on design solutions and techniques. The equipment group is for persons looking for already available solutions to their problems. RATIONALE: misc.industry.electronics.marketplace A reasonable portion of the existing traffic is persons and companies selling or wanting to buy electronics components, equipment and services. The postings can be categorized as persons at companies needing production quantities of scarce parts, people cleaning out their basements, and commercial advertisements for services. CHARTER: sci.electronics.misc General discussions on the topic of electronics. (Discussions on the relative merits of various consumer electronics equipment are better held in the groups in the rec hierarchy devoted to those topics.) END CHARTER. CHARTER: sci.electronics.basics A forum for discussion of electronics where there is no such thing as a stupid question. Beginners questions. Discussion of electronics education. Requests for other sources of information. END CHARTER. CHARTER: sci.electronics.history Discussion of the history of the field of electronics. The accomplishments of historical figures (Tesla, Edison and so on). The discussion of obsolete electronic and electric technology. The perpetual discussion of what BNC stands for and other trivia. END CHARTER. CHARTER: sci.electronics.components Discussions of electronics at the component level. The use, limitations, and identification of resistors, capacitors, integrated circuits, connectors, enclosures, ... and so on. Locations and contact information for Manufacturers, Distributors, and other sources for supply and technical information. END CHARTER. CHARTER: sci.electronics.design Discussions relevant to the design of electronics circuits. END CHARTER. CHARTER: sci.electronics.equipment Discussion of the application and internal operation and relative merits of test equipment, laboratory equipment, and industrial equipment. This is not a forsale group. Buying/selling is supposed to occur in the relocated misc.industry.electronics.forsale group. (Discussions on the relative merits of various consumer electronics equipment are better held in the groups in the rec hierarchy devoted to those topics.) END CHARTER. CHARTER: misc.industry.electronics.marketplace Advertisement and discussion for the buying, selling, and bartering of electronic components (integrated circuits, resistor, capacitors, etc.), electronics test equipment, electronics laboratory equipment, electronics industrial equipment, and services used for the production of electronics. NO CONSUMER ELECTRONICS - NO AUDIO, VIDEO, or HOME COMPUTERS. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE: Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. PLEASE, do not send the entire CFV back to me as this mail is archived. 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If you do, the voting software will probably reject your vote. ===== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything BEFORE this line ===== ------------------------------------------------------------------- sci.electronics Reorg Ballot(Do not remove this marker!) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Voter name: (If you do not give your real name, your vote may be rejected) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name): Your Vote Newsgroup --------- --------- [ ] misc.industry.electronics.marketplace [ ] sci.electronics.basics [ ] sci.electronics.components [ ] sci.electronics.design [ ] sci.electronics.equipment [ ] sci.electronics.history [ ] sci.electronics.misc (renames sci.electronics) ------------------------------------------------------------------- ===== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything AFTER this line ============ IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. 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This CFV has been cross-posted to: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.engineering.electrical, sci.electronics, sci.electronics.cad, sci.electronics.repair, sci.engr.semiconductors From [email protected] Thu Oct 12 19:06:03 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Bill Aten) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.engineering.electrical,sci.electronics,sci.electronics.cad,sci.electronics.repair,sci.engr.semiconductors Subject: 2nd CFV: sci.electronics reorganization Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Date: 12 Oct 1995 23:05:56 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 255 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 24 Oct 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: sci.electronics Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7692 news.groups:170157 alt.engineering.electrical:817 sci.electronics:155308 sci.electronics.cad:4534 sci.electronics.repair:16769 sci.engr.semiconductors:4841 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group misc.industry.electronics.marketplace unmoderated group sci.electronics.basics unmoderated group sci.electronics.components unmoderated group sci.electronics.design unmoderated group sci.electronics.equipment unmoderated group sci.electronics.history unmoderated group sci.electronics.misc (renames sci.electronics) Newsgroups lines: sci.electronics.misc General discussions of the field of electronics. sci.electronics.basics Elementary questions about electronics. sci.electronics.history Tesla, Edison, Marconi ... sci.electronics.components Integrated circuits, resistors, capacitors. sci.electronics.design Electronic circuit design. sci.electronics.equipment Test, lab, & industrial electronic products. misc.industry.electronics.marketplace Electronics products & services. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 23 Oct 1995. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Mark Zenier <[email protected]> or <[email protected]> Votetaker: Bill Aten <[email protected]> RATIONALE: all groups Traffic in the sci.electronics newsgroup has reached a level (circa 200 posts a day, peak) where it is difficult to deal with. This proposal is a split based on a rough classification of the current traffic. This proposal is an attempt to follow through with the results of a lengthy discussion in the group that occurred this spring. RATIONALE: sci.electronics.misc (To rename the current sci.electronics) Per the normal convention, this is renaming of the existing sci.electronics group. RATIONALE: sci.electronics.basics A reasonable portion (depending on the time of year relative to the school term) of the traffic is beginners questions. A number of novice users have complained that the volume of traffic, and the perceived unfriendliness of the group acts as an inhibition to free discussions. RATIONALE: sci.electronics.history A reasonable portion of the traffic is discussion on historical figures in the electronics field, technical milestones, and various trivia. RATIONALE: sci.electronics.components, sci.electronics.design, sci.electronics.equipment These three groups are an attempt to categorize the traffic into separate subfields. The usual proposals for splitting the group typically start with proposing splits along either applications (audio, automotive, computer ...) or along what would best be called design specialization (analog, digital, ...). The problem with the first is that the underlying methods and techniques are the same across the field, and for the second, the dividing line is blurred (and the most interesting part of the field). The split proposed here is set up on levels of complexity. In this field of technology, people look for solutions to problems along these levels. Someone who is looking for a box that solves their problems is working at a higher level of detail than someone who is designing a module (circuit board) and that second person is working at a higher level than someone looking for a prebuilt integrated circuit that they need to purchase. The proposed components group is for questions dealing with individual parts. Someone working on this level is looking for a specific function or source or identification for an electronic component. Postings requesting the identification of an integrated circuit are a large portion of the current traffic. The design group is for persons combining components into circuits. Discussion on design solutions and techniques. The equipment group is for persons looking for already available solutions to their problems. RATIONALE: misc.industry.electronics.marketplace A reasonable portion of the existing traffic is persons and companies selling or wanting to buy electronics components, equipment and services. The postings can be categorized as persons at companies needing production quantities of scarce parts, people cleaning out their basements, and commercial advertisements for services. CHARTER: sci.electronics.misc General discussions on the topic of electronics. (Discussions on the relative merits of various consumer electronics equipment are better held in the groups in the rec hierarchy devoted to those topics.) END CHARTER. CHARTER: sci.electronics.basics A forum for discussion of electronics where there is no such thing as a stupid question. Beginners questions. Discussion of electronics education. Requests for other sources of information. END CHARTER. CHARTER: sci.electronics.history Discussion of the history of the field of electronics. The accomplishments of historical figures (Tesla, Edison and so on). The discussion of obsolete electronic and electric technology. The perpetual discussion of what BNC stands for and other trivia. END CHARTER. CHARTER: sci.electronics.components Discussions of electronics at the component level. The use, limitations, and identification of resistors, capacitors, integrated circuits, connectors, enclosures, ... and so on. Locations and contact information for Manufacturers, Distributors, and other sources for supply and technical information. END CHARTER. CHARTER: sci.electronics.design Discussions relevant to the design of electronics circuits. END CHARTER. CHARTER: sci.electronics.equipment Discussion of the application and internal operation and relative merits of test equipment, laboratory equipment, and industrial equipment. This is not a forsale group. Buying/selling is supposed to occur in the relocated misc.industry.electronics.forsale group. (Discussions on the relative merits of various consumer electronics equipment are better held in the groups in the rec hierarchy devoted to those topics.) END CHARTER. CHARTER: misc.industry.electronics.marketplace Advertisement and discussion for the buying, selling, and bartering of electronic components (integrated circuits, resistor, capacitors, etc.), electronics test equipment, electronics laboratory equipment, electronics industrial equipment, and services used for the production of electronics. NO CONSUMER ELECTRONICS - NO AUDIO, VIDEO, or HOME COMPUTERS. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE: Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. PLEASE, do not send the entire CFV back to me as this mail is archived. 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If you do, the voting software will probably reject your vote. ===== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything BEFORE this line ===== ------------------------------------------------------------------- sci.electronics Reorg Ballot (Do not remove this marker!) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Voter name: (If you do not give your real name, your vote may be rejected) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name): Your Vote Newsgroup --------- --------- [ ] misc.industry.electronics.marketplace [ ] sci.electronics.basics [ ] sci.electronics.components [ ] sci.electronics.design [ ] sci.electronics.equipment [ ] sci.electronics.history [ ] sci.electronics.misc (renames sci.electronics) ------------------------------------------------------------------- ===== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything AFTER this line ============ IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. 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This CFV has been cross-posted to: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.engineering.electrical, sci.electronics, sci.electronics.cad, sci.electronics.repair, sci.engr.semiconductors sci.electronics Reorg Bounce List (No need to revote) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] Mike Forster [email protected] Louis Botha From [email protected] Mon Oct 23 21:21:40 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Bill Aten) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.engineering.electrical,sci.electronics,sci.electronics.cad,sci.electronics.repair,sci.engr.semiconductors Subject: RESULT: sci.electronics reorganization Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 24 Oct 1995 01:21:37 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 423 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: sci.electronics Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7750 news.groups:171193 alt.engineering.electrical:943 sci.electronics:157155 sci.electronics.cad:4673 sci.electronics.repair:17326 sci.engr.semiconductors:4957 RESULT unmoderated group misc.industry.electronics.marketplace passes 146:38 unmoderated group sci.electronics.basics passes 164:37 unmoderated group sci.electronics.components passes 163:37 unmoderated group sci.electronics.design passes 169:35 unmoderated group sci.electronics.equipment passes 160:36 unmoderated group sci.electronics.history fails 144:46 unmoderated group sci.electronics.misc (renames sci.electronics) passes 169:38 Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 23 Oct 1995. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Mark Zenier <[email protected]> or <[email protected]> Votetaker: Bill Aten <[email protected]> There were 213 valid votes submitted during the voting period. Each proposed newsgroup, in order to pass, must have at least 2/3 YES votes and at least 100 more YES than NO votes. The results are as follows: sci.electronics Reorg results - 213 valid votes Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : ------------------------------------------- 146 38 : Yes Yes : Yes : misc.industry.electronics.marketplace 164 37 : Yes Yes : Yes : sci.electronics.basics 163 37 : Yes Yes : Yes : sci.electronics.components 169 35 : Yes Yes : Yes : sci.electronics.design 160 36 : Yes Yes : Yes : sci.electronics.equipment 144 46 : Yes No : No : sci.electronics.history 169 38 : Yes Yes : Yes : sci.electronics.misc (renames sci.electronics) 2 invalid votes Part of the proposal passed and part of the proposal failed. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious and significant allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the newsgroups shortly thereafter. Failed newsgroups may not be voted on again for six months. The remainder of the RESULT contains: Newsgroups Lines Rationale Charters Final Voting Acknowledgements NEWSGROUPS LINES: misc.industry.electronics.marketplace Electronics products & services. sci.electronics.misc General discussions of the field of electronics. sci.electronics.basics Elementary questions about electronics. sci.electronics.history Tesla, Edison, Marconi ... sci.electronics.components Integrated circuits, resistors, capacitors. sci.electronics.design Electronic circuit design. sci.electronics.equipment Test, lab, & industrial electronic products. RATIONALE: all groups Traffic in the sci.electronics newsgroup has reached a level (circa 200 posts a day, peak) where it is difficult to deal with. This proposal is a split based on a rough classification of the current traffic. This proposal is an attempt to follow through with the results of a lengthy discussion in the group that occurred this spring. RATIONALE: sci.electronics.misc (To rename the current sci.electronics) Per the normal convention, this is renaming of the existing sci.electronics group. RATIONALE: sci.electronics.basics A reasonable portion (depending on the time of year relative to the school term) of the traffic is beginners questions. A number of novice users have complained that the volume of traffic, and the perceived unfriendliness of the group acts as an inhibition to free discussions. RATIONALE: sci.electronics.history A reasonable portion of the traffic is discussion on historical figures in the electronics field, technical milestones, and various trivia. RATIONALE: sci.electronics.components, sci.electronics.design, sci.electronics.equipment These three groups are an attempt to categorize the traffic into separate subfields. The usual proposals for splitting the group typically start with proposing splits along either applications (audio, automotive, computer ...) or along what would best be called design specialization (analog, digital, ...). The problem with the first is that the underlying methods and techniques are the same across the field, and for the second, the dividing line is blurred (and the most interesting part of the field). The split proposed here is set up on levels of complexity. In this field of technology, people look for solutions to problems along these levels. Someone who is looking for a box that solves their problems is working at a higher level of detail than someone who is designing a module (circuit board) and that second person is working at a higher level than someone looking for a prebuilt integrated circuit that they need to purchase. The proposed components group is for questions dealing with individual parts. Someone working on this level is looking for a specific function or source or identification for an electronic component. Postings requesting the identification of an integrated circuit are a large portion of the current traffic. The design group is for persons combining components into circuits. Discussion on design solutions and techniques. The equipment group is for persons looking for already available solutions to their problems. RATIONALE: misc.industry.electronics.marketplace A reasonable portion of the existing traffic is persons and companies selling or wanting to buy electronics components, equipment and services. The postings can be categorized as persons at companies needing production quantities of scarce parts, people cleaning out their basements, and commercial advertisements for services. CHARTER: sci.electronics.misc General discussions on the topic of electronics. (Discussions on the relative merits of various consumer electronics equipment are better held in the groups in the rec hierarchy devoted to those topics.) END CHARTER. CHARTER: sci.electronics.basics A forum for discussion of electronics where there is no such thing as a stupid question. Beginners questions. Discussion of electronics education. Requests for other sources of information. END CHARTER. CHARTER: sci.electronics.history Discussion of the history of the field of electronics. The accomplishments of historical figures (Tesla, Edison and so on). The discussion of obsolete electronic and electric technology. The perpetual discussion of what BNC stands for and other trivia. END CHARTER. CHARTER: sci.electronics.components Discussions of electronics at the component level. The use, limitations, and identification of resistors, capacitors, integrated circuits, connectors, enclosures, ... and so on. Locations and contact information for Manufacturers, Distributors, and other sources for supply and technical information. END CHARTER. CHARTER: sci.electronics.design Discussions relevant to the design of electronics circuits. END CHARTER. CHARTER: sci.electronics.equipment Discussion of the application and internal operation and relative merits of test equipment, laboratory equipment, and industrial equipment. This is not a forsale group. Buying/selling is supposed to occur in the relocated misc.industry.electronics.forsale group. (Discussions on the relative merits of various consumer electronics equipment are better held in the groups in the rec hierarchy devoted to those topics.) END CHARTER. CHARTER: misc.industry.electronics.marketplace Advertisement and discussion for the buying, selling, and bartering of electronic components (integrated circuits, resistor, capacitors, etc.), electronics test equipment, electronics laboratory equipment, electronics industrial equipment, and services used for the production of electronics. NO CONSUMER ELECTRONICS - NO AUDIO, VIDEO, or HOME COMPUTERS. END CHARTER. FINAL VOTING ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS: sci.electronics Reorg Final Vote Ack sci.electronics.misc (renames sci.electronics) ---------+ sci.electronics.history --------+| sci.electronics.equipment -------+|| sci.electronics.design ------+||| sci.electronics.components -----+|||| sci.electronics.basics ----+||||| misc.industry.electronics.marketplace ---+|||||| ||||||| [email protected] Thomas J. 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