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From [email protected]o.celestial.com Thu Sep 17 09:14:51 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2731 news.groups:56655 sci.med:45258 sci.bio:9002 talk.politics.misc:140320 alt.society.civil-liberty:6537 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.med,sci.bio,talk.politics.misc,alt.society.civil-liberty Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ben Delisle) Subject: RFD: talk.politics.medicine Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: celestial.com Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1992 13:04:50 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 23  This is a request for discussion for the creation of one new  news group:        Proposed Title:  talk.politics.medicine    Charter:        talk.politics.medicine, unmoderated. A newsgroup to discuss politics and ethics in medicine and related sciences and fields. Topics may include discussions on whether: medical care should be socialized; insurance be paid for by the individual, the company, or the state; or if it is even mandatory. They may also include discussions on ethics of cross-species transplants; if fetal material should be used or not; government intervention   into the health care choices of people (such as permitting (or not) alternative medicine to coexist with mainstream medicine, nutritional medicine, or preventive medicine); parental or individual (non)consent to mandatory immunization or treatment that may violate ethical or religious beliefs; euthanasia for terminal, vegetative, or severely crippled people, be it voluntary or non voluntary; and the right to help or refuse care to patients based on ability to pay, ability to help or care for them, or based on any disease they may be carrying; or any other related topics.       From [email protected] Fri Sep 25 12:22:51 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2775 news.groups:56960 bit.listserv.medlib-l:2412 sci.med:45645 sci.bio:9107 talk.politics.misc:141973 bionet.general:4015 sci.med.aids:4907 alt.politics.elections:14163 alt.drugs:38507 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,bit.listserv.medlib-l,sci.med,sci.bio,talk.politics.misc,bionet.general,sci.med.aids,alt.politics.elections,alt.drugs Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ben Delisle) Subject: 2nd RFD: talk.politics.medicine Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: <> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 13:20:54 GMT Approved: [email protected], [email protected] Lines: 23  This is a request for discussion for the creation of one new  news group:        Proposed Title:  talk.politics.medicine    Charter:        talk.politics.medicine, unmoderated. A newsgroup to discuss politics and ethics in medicine and related sciences and fields. Topics may include discussions on whether: medical care should be socialized; insurance be paid for by the individual, the company, or the state; or if it is even mandatory. They may also include discussions on ethics of cross-species transplants; if fetal material should be used or not; government intervention   into the health care choices of people (such as permitting (or not) alternative medicine to coexist with mainstream medicine, nutritional medicine, or preventive medicine); parental or individual (non)consent to mandatory immunization or treatment that may violate ethical or religious beliefs; euthanasia for terminal, vegetative, or severely crippled people, be it voluntary or non voluntary; and the right to help or refuse care to patients based on ability to pay, ability to help or care for them, or based on any disease they may be carrying; or any other related topics.     Discussion on this proposal should take place in news.groups.  From [email protected] Mon Oct 12 13:07:56 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2818 news.groups:57696 sci.med:46732 sci.bio:9284 bionet.general:4072 talk.politics.misc:145357 misc.legal:51016 bit.listserv.medlib-l:2495 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.med,sci.bio,bionet.general,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal,bit.listserv.medlib-l Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ben Delisle) Subject: CFV: talk.politics.medicine Followup-To: poster Approved: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:06:53 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> Lines: 57  	This is a CALL FOR VOTES for the creation of 	one new newsgroup : talk.politics.medicine    	The voting period will be 12-Oct-1992 through 2-Nov-1992      In order to vote for or against this newsgroup, you must send a mail message to the address [email protected]  If your site does not understand that address, you might try:  	[email protected]@athena.mit.edu 	mit-athena!pit-manager.mit.edu!mail-server 	uunet!pit-manager.mit.edu!mail-server  If none of these addresses works, talk to someone at your site who can help you address the mail properly.  Posted votes will not be counted. Votes mailed to the poster of this message will not be counted.    Your mail should contain one of the following three lines, either in the Subject or body of the mail message:  	vote talk.politics.medicine yes 	vote talk.politics.medicine no 	vote talk.politics.medicine abstain  The first two lines register a vote either for or against the creation of the newsgroup.  The third line cancels any previous vote for or against the creation of the newsgroup.  Multiple voting messages from the same person must be sent from the same address.  If multiple votes are received from the same person, the last vote received is the only one counted.    You should receive a response to your vote, acknowledging its receipt, within two days.  If you do not, or if you have some other problem with voting, you can get help by sending mail to [email protected]  news group:        Proposed Title:  talk.politics.medicine    Charter:        talk.politics.medicine, unmoderated. A newsgroup to discuss politics and ethics in medicine and related sciences and fields. Topics may include discussions on whether: medical care should be socialized; insurance be paid for by the individual, the company, or the state; or if it is even mandatory. They may also include discussions on ethics of cross-species transplants; if fetal material should be used or not; government intervention   into the health care choices of people (such as permitting (or not) alternative medicine to coexist with mainstream medicine, nutritional medicine, or preventive medicine); parental or individual (non)consent to mandatory immunization or treatment that may violate ethical or religious beliefs; euthanasia for terminal, vegetative, or severely crippled people, be it voluntary or non voluntary; and the right to help or refuse care to patients based on ability to pay, ability to help or care for them, or based on any disease they may be carrying; or any other related topics.    --   [email protected] | Nothing is fool-proof, fools are too ingenious.  From [email protected] Thu Oct 22 21:18:14 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2864 news.groups:58171 sci.med:47437 sci.bio:9496 bionet.general:4104 talk.politics.misc:148455 talk.politics.drugs:11831 misc.legal:51564 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.med,sci.bio,bionet.general,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.drugs,misc.legal Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ben Delisle) Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: talk.politics.medicine Followup-To: poster Approved: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: Eskimo North 206-FOR-EVER Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1992 23:01:23 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> Lines: 175  	This is a CALL FOR VOTES for the creation of 	one new newsgroup : talk.politics.medicine    	The voting period will be 12-Oct-1992 through 2-Nov-1992      In order to vote for or against this newsgroup, you must send a mail message to the address [email protected]  If your site does not understand that address, you might try:  	[email protected]@athena.mit.edu 	mit-athena!pit-manager.mit.edu!mail-server 	uunet!pit-manager.mit.edu!mail-server  If none of these addresses works, talk to someone at your site who can help you address the mail properly.  Posted votes will not be counted. Votes mailed to the poster of this message will not be counted.    Your mail should contain one of the following three lines, either in the Subject or body of the mail message:  	vote talk.politics.medicine yes 	vote talk.politics.medicine no 	vote talk.politics.medicine abstain  The first two lines register a vote either for or against the creation of the newsgroup.  The third line cancels any previous vote for or against the creation of the newsgroup.  Multiple voting messages from the same person must be sent from the same address.  If multiple votes are received from the same person, the last vote received is the only one counted.    You should receive a response to your vote, acknowledging its receipt, within two days.  If you do not, or if you have some other problem with voting, you can get help by sending mail to [email protected]  news group:        Proposed Title:  talk.politics.medicine    Charter:        talk.politics.medicine, unmoderated. A newsgroup to discuss politics and ethics in medicine and related sciences and fields. Topics may include discussions on whether: medical care should be socialized; insurance be paid for by the individual, the company, or the state; or if it is even mandatory. They may also include discussions on ethics of cross-species transplants; if fetal material should be used or not; government intervention   into the health care choices of people (such as permitting (or not) alternative medicine to coexist with mainstream medicine, nutritional medicine, or preventive medicine); parental or individual (non)consent to mandatory immunization or treatment that may violate ethical or religious beliefs; euthanasia for terminal, vegetative, or severely crippled people, be it voluntary or non voluntary; and the right to help or refuse care to patients based on ability to pay, ability to help or care for them, or based on any disease they may be carrying; or any other related topics.    --   [email protected] | Nothing is fool-proof, fools are too ingenious.  		      ************************* Received as of approx 20 Oct 92 22:00    Voters (114):  "Pat.Grauer" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Rob Sartin) [email protected] (Rick Adams) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Pete Akerson - akerson%[email protected]) [email protected] (Jesus Eugenio Sanchez Pena) ALLEN SMITH [email protected]> [email protected] (Alvin H. White) [email protected] [email protected] Shifra Atik <[email protected]> [email protected] (Dias Badekas) Barbara Cochrane <[email protected]> [email protected] (James Barrett) [email protected] (Andy Baxevanis  <[email protected]>) [email protected] Susan Biddlecomb <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] (Carol Botteron) [email protected] (Jane Bouton) Bert Smith <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] (Brent J. Krawchuk) Dr Bruce Stephens <[email protected]> Larry Chu <[email protected]> [email protected] <[email protected]> [email protected] (David Stodolsky) David De Trolio <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Duc Trieu Le <[email protected]> [email protected] (Dave Meyers) [email protected] (Donald R. Newcomb) Doug Sewell <[email protected]> [email protected] (David Huelsbeck) "Dubear Kroening" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Dave Dudley) [email protected] (Dan Wallach) don wyatt <[email protected]> [email protected] (David Condon) Erik Bailey <[email protected]> Brian Warling                        <[email protected]> "Eric J. Olson" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ed McGuire) [email protected] (Rod Erickson) [email protected] (Ben Delisle) [email protected] Tom Fitzgerald <[email protected]> [email protected] (Gordon Banks) [email protected] (George B. Clark) [email protected] "Gregory M. Henzie" <[email protected]> (Nancy Glassman) <[email protected]> [email protected] (gregg wright) Richard Hartman <[email protected]> [email protected] (Heinz Herbeck) B.J.  12-Oct-1992 1305 <[email protected]> <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Jyrki Kuoppala <[email protected]> Jay Maynard <[email protected]> "Howell, Joel" <[email protected]> John R. Moore <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ben Jones) [email protected] (Josh Schwimmer) [email protected] (Jeff Suttor) Julie W. Lin <[email protected]> "Ken Sullivan"  <[email protected]> Dick King <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] "Maurice (M.) Labiche" <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] (Michael Liptack) [email protected] (Lynn Robinson) [email protected] (Malgosia Askanas) Gerry Macridis <[email protected]> Jonathan A. Marshall <[email protected]> Glenn Martin <[email protected]> ""Mark D. Kline"" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Bill Meyers) [email protected] [email protected] (Murray Nesbitt) [email protected] (Matt Wette) [email protected] [email protected] <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] (Noelie Alito) "David A. Nye MD" <[email protected]> Philip N. Alexander <[email protected]> [email protected] (Paul Maclauchlan) "PCURRY (415)723-0730" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Brad Pierce) [email protected] (Philippe Lebrun) Porsupah <[email protected]> [email protected] (Richard H. Miller) RMUELLER%[email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (timothy shimeall) [email protected] [email protected] (Stu Labovitz) "Sven M. Heinicke" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Robert Swirsky) [email protected] (Dave Huelsbeck) Tuncay Ozgunen [email protected]> [email protected] (Vince Della Fera) [email protected] (Cathy Woodgold)  From [email protected] Tue Nov 10 15:49:45 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2918 news.groups:59686 sci.bio:9845 sci.med:48506 misc.legal:52249 talk.politics.misc:153690 sci.med.aids:5069 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.bio,sci.med,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,sci.med.aids Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ben Delisle) Subject: RESULT: talk.politics.medicine passes 137:26 Followup-To: news.groups Approved: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: -> Eskimo North 206-FOR-EVER <- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:59:19 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> Lines: 181  		talk.politics.medicine 		Here are the results: YES = 137          NO = 26  YES - NO = 137 - 26 = 111  YES / (YES + NO) = 137 / (137 + 26) = 0.84  	There are more than 100 yes votes and there is a     	2/3 majority (84% yes to no) The new newsgroup will appear after the waiting period has passed. 		      *************************  "yes" votes (137):  "Pat.Grauer" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Rick Adams) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Jesus Eugenio Sanchez Pena) [email protected] (Jacquelyn Aldridge) ALLEN SMITH [email protected]> [email protected] (Alvin H. White) [email protected] (Amy McNulty) "Arun M. Sannuti" <[email protected]> "Arun Meda Sannuti" <[email protected]> [email protected] Shifra Atik <[email protected]> [email protected] (J.D. Baldwin) Barbara Cochrane <[email protected]> [email protected] (Andy Baxevanis  <[email protected]>) [email protected] Susan Biddlecomb <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] (Carol Botteron) [email protected] (Jane Bouton) Bert Smith <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] (Brent J. Krawchuk) Dr Bruce Stephens <[email protected]> [email protected] (Basavaraju Shankarappa) William E. White  <[email protected]> [email protected] (L.E. Chirlian) [email protected] Larry Chu <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] (Charlie Rogerson) <[email protected]> Darien Gardner <[email protected]> [email protected] (David Stodolsky) David De Trolio <[email protected]> [email protected] <[email protected]> [email protected] (Dan King) Duc Trieu Le <[email protected]> [email protected] (Dave Meyers) [email protected] (Doug Moeller) [email protected] (Donald R. Newcomb) [email protected] (Dorsie Hathaway) Doug Sewell <[email protected]> [email protected] (David Huelsbeck) "Dubear Kroening" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Dave Dudley) [email protected] (Dan Wallach) don wyatt <[email protected]> [email protected] (David Condon) Erik Bailey <[email protected]> Brian Warling                        <[email protected]> [email protected] (Edgar W. Swank) [email protected] (Eliot Gelwan) [email protected] (Rod Erickson) [email protected] (Ben Delisle) [email protected] [email protected] Carola Fellenz <[email protected]> [email protected] (Frank Bruenger) Mother Nature <[email protected]> [email protected] (Gordon Banks) [email protected] (George B. Clark) [email protected] "Gregory M. Henzie" <[email protected]> (Nancy Glassman) <[email protected]> [email protected] (gregg wright) Richard Hartman <[email protected]> [email protected] (David L. Haviland, Ph.D.) [email protected] (Heinz Herbeck) B.J.  12-Oct-1992 1305 <[email protected]> <[email protected]> [email protected] <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] Jon Farr <[email protected]> Jyrki Kuoppala <[email protected]> Jay Maynard <[email protected]> "Howell, Joel" <[email protected]> John R. Moore <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ben Jones) [email protected] (Josh Schwimmer) [email protected] (Jeff Suttor) "Ken Sullivan"  <[email protected]> Dick King <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Krista J Anderson) "Maurice (M.) Labiche" <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] (Michael Liptack) [email protected] (Lynn Robinson) [email protected] (Malgosia Askanas) Gerry Macridis <[email protected]> Jonathan A. Marshall <[email protected]> Glenn Martin <[email protected]> Michael Diffin <[email protected]> [email protected] (Marc Gabriel) ""Mark D. Kline"" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Bill Meyers) [email protected] (Steve Meyers) mitchell harry grayson <[email protected]> Marc VanHeyningen <[email protected]> [email protected] (Matt Wette) [email protected] [email protected] <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] (Noelie Alito) "David A. Nye MD" <[email protected]> Philip N. Alexander <[email protected]> [email protected] (Brad Pierce) John Pimentel <[email protected]> [email protected] (Philippe Lebrun) [email protected] (Lawrence Kestenbaum) Porsupah <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Richard H. Miller) RMUELLER%[email protected] Arun Meda Sannuti <[email protected]> Sally C. Johnson <[email protected]> [email protected] David Reeve Sward <[email protected]> [email protected] (Dave Huelsbeck) [email protected] (tun jie) [email protected] (Trevor Tompson) Tuncay Ozgunen [email protected]> [email protected] (Vince Della Fera) [email protected] (John Werner) [email protected] (Cathy Woodgold) "William A. Rosche"  <[email protected]>  "no" votes (26):  [email protected] (Rob Sartin) [email protected] [email protected] (Pete Akerson - akerson%[email protected]) [email protected] [email protected] (Dias Badekas) [email protected] (James Barrett) Chris Johnston <[email protected]> "Eric J. Olson" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ed McGuire) Tom Fitzgerald <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] (Daniel Looby) Julie W. Lin <[email protected]> Joel B Levin <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] (Murray Nesbitt) [email protected] (Paul Maclauchlan) "PCURRY (415)723-0730" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Joel Plutchak) [email protected] Scott Ballantyne <[email protected]> [email protected] (timothy shimeall) [email protected] (Mikael Parknert) [email protected] (Stu Labovitz) "Sven M. Heinicke" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Robert Swirsky)