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From: Gerben 'P' Vos 
Subject: RFD:  comp.sys.acorn reorganization
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  *** REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION: comp.sys.acorn SPLIT ***

Recently, comp.sys.acorn has been flooded by flame wars and the amount of
traffic is, in general, becoming too high. This is why there has been some
discussion on how to split the group. Now the ideas on this are becoming
clearer, i think it's time to make that discussion official.

Note: all discussion should take place in news.groups . It is inevitable that
some of it will leak into comp.sys.acorn, but don't make it too bad.

What follows is a summary of the groups proposed, and some of the points
concerning these new groups.


comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
comp.sys.acorn.irrelevant (half :-))

  Flamewars and uninteresting discussions can be redirected here.
  This was the main reason why a split was proposed.

comp.sys.acorn.announce moderated

  Announcements, press releases, FAQ lists, FTP lists. We need to find a
  moderator (Alan Glover has half volunteered, but maybe there are others?)

comp.sys.acorn.tech
comp.sys.acorn.hardware
comp.sys.acorn.software

  Technical discussions.
  The main point here seems to be: do we want a single .tech group, or
  two groups, .hardware and .software? (Maybe we want all?)

comp.sys.acorn
comp.sys.acorn.misc

  General talk and discussion.
  Will we move c.s.a to c.s.a.misc, or do we just create the new groups and
  leave the name of c.s.a unchanged?


Postings about all Acorn machines, from the humble System I up to the R260 and
A5000 will be appropriate in all of the above groups, as well as postings
concerning all aspects and uses of the ARM chips.

I hope we can have a quick and good discussion on this, so we can start voting
in the first half of June (the guidelines have no lower limit on the
discussion time, but we should have things sorted out in 30 days, according to
them). If the voting period lasts three weeks and the groups pass, they can be
created before July. But knowing Usenet, it will be later...

I won't be able to take the votes (exams and such...). Volunteers?
-- 
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Aconet: 8500/104!Gerben Vos  Internet: [email protected]
Contrary to popular belief, the programmers at Acorn do know what they are
doing.  -- Nicko van Someren

From [email protected] Thu Jun 11 14:30:01 1992
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From: Gerben 'P' Vos 
Subject: CFV: comp.sys.acorn reorganization
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It's
	THE GREAT COMP.SYS.ACORN REORGANISATION

Hello, and welcome. Here are our contestants:

1) CREATE comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
   Description: Why my Acorn computer or program is better than yours. Or not.

   Charter: Here you can hold long debates why the ARM610 is better than the
   586, why Translator's user interface is so very bad (or good!), or why
   Acorn should lower their prices. If you hold your wars here, the people who
   want to actually *do* things can get on with their work in the other Acorn
   groups.

2) CREATE comp.sys.acorn.announce moderated Alan Glover 
   Description: Announcements of interest to Acorn and ARM users. (Moderated)

   Charter: This will be a low-noise group in which announcements about
   (products for) Acorn computers or the ARM can be made, as well as
   additions to public archives, FAQ lists, virus alerts etc.

3) CREATE comp.sys.acorn.tech
   Description: Programming aspects and hardware of Acorn and ARM products.

   Charter: This group is for discussion among people who develop hard- and
   software for or with Acorn computers or ARM chips. Non-technical
   discussions belong in comp.sys.acorn.misc (or comp.sys.acorn, if .misc
   is not created).

4) RENAME comp.sys.acorn TO comp.sys.acorn.misc
   Description: The Acorn computer.

   Charter: This group is for discussion among users of Acorn computers.
   General Q&A belong here, as well as everything that doesn't fall under
   one of the other acorn groups. Lengthy discussions on the merits of one
   computer or piece of software over the other should move to .advocacy .


If you want to vote, please reply to this article (including its body), remove
everything except the ballot below, and replace the X's by Y (Yes), N (No) or
A (Abstain), depending on your choice.

============================ BALLOT ============================ 
   vote-01: [X] Create comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
   vote-02: [X] Create comp.sys.acorn.announce moderated
   vote-03: [X] Create comp.sys.acorn.tech
   vote-04: [X] Rename comp.sys.acorn to comp.sys.acorn.misc
================================================================

The voting address is [email protected], and voting is open from now until Friday
10 July 1992, 23:59:59 GMT. Yes, this is long, but during the last week of the
vote i will be on holiday, so i'll return just in time to count the votes.
You are encouraged to vote before 3 July, so i can ask you for information if
your vote is unclear in some way.

Please keep the keyword "CFV" in the subject header, that makes it easier for
me to separate the votes from the normal mail.

Voters will receive an automagic acknowledgement of their vote (unless my
vote processing script would break down, of course).

Unless i'm in a bad mood, i will also accept votes in a different format (as
long as they are unambiguous and unconditional, i.e. "Yes, if..." type votes
will be treated as comments and not counted).

Voting "AAAA" is the same as not sending any vote, except that you get your
name listed in the list of the results.

If you change your mind, you can send your new vote to me in the same way.
The vote with the last date stamp will count.

A proposal passes if it has 100 more yes than no votes, and there are at least
twice as many yes as no votes for it. The four votes are separate, with the
logical exception that if all of 1..3 fail, 4 (rename to .misc) will not be
executed, even if it passes.

Thank you. May the best newsgroups win! (round of applause, commercial break)
-- 
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Aconet: 8500/104!Gerben Vos  Internet: [email protected]
Contrary to popular belief, the programmers at Acorn do know what they are
doing.  -- Nicko van Someren

From [email protected] Fri Jun 19 13:25:11 1992
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From: Gerben 'P' Vos 
Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.sys.acorn reorganization
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[The third posting of the CFV will include a mass acknowledgement]

It's
	THE GREAT COMP.SYS.ACORN REORGANISATION

Hello, and welcome. Here are our contestants:

1) CREATE comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
   Description: Why my Acorn computer or program is better than yours. Or not.

   Charter: Here you can hold long debates why the ARM610 is better than the
   586, why Translator's user interface is so very bad (or good!), or why
   Acorn should lower their prices. If you hold your wars here, the people who
   want to actually *do* things can get on with their work in the other Acorn
   groups.

2) CREATE comp.sys.acorn.announce moderated Alan Glover 
   Description: Announcements of interest to Acorn and ARM users. (Moderated)

   Charter: This will be a low-noise group in which announcements about
   (products for) Acorn computers or the ARM can be made, as well as
   additions to public archives, FAQ lists, virus alerts etc.

3) CREATE comp.sys.acorn.tech
   Description: Programming aspects and hardware of Acorn and ARM products.

   Charter: This group is for discussion among people who develop hard- and
   software for or with Acorn computers or ARM chips. Non-technical
   discussions belong in comp.sys.acorn.misc (or comp.sys.acorn, if .misc
   is not created).

4) RENAME comp.sys.acorn TO comp.sys.acorn.misc
   Description: The Acorn computer.

   Charter: This group is for discussion among users of Acorn computers.
   General Q&A belong here, as well as everything that doesn't fall under
   one of the other acorn groups. Lengthy discussions on the merits of one
   computer or piece of software over the other should move to .advocacy .


If you want to vote, please reply to this article (including its body), remove
everything except the ballot below, and replace the X's by Y (Yes), N (No) or
A (Abstain), depending on your choice.

============================ BALLOT ============================ 
   vote-01: [X] Create comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
   vote-02: [X] Create comp.sys.acorn.announce moderated
   vote-03: [X] Create comp.sys.acorn.tech
   vote-04: [X] Rename comp.sys.acorn to comp.sys.acorn.misc
================================================================

The voting address is [email protected] (people in the UK: if this doesn't work,
try gpvos%[email protected] or [email protected]), and voting is open from
now until Friday 10 July 1992, 23:59:59 GMT. Yes, this is long, but during the
last week of the vote i will be on holiday, so i'll return just in time to
count the votes.
You are encouraged to vote before 3 July, so i can ask you for information if
your vote is unclear in some way.

Please keep the keyword "CFV" in the subject header, that makes it easier for
me to separate the votes from the normal mail.

Voters will receive an automagic acknowledgement of their vote (unless my
vote processing script would break down, of course).

Unless i'm in a bad mood, i will also accept votes in a different format (as
long as they are unambiguous and unconditional, i.e. "Yes, if..." type votes
will be treated as comments and not counted).

Voting "AAAA" is the same as not sending any vote, except that you get your
name listed in the list of the results.

If you change your mind, you can send your new vote to me in the same way.
The vote with the last date stamp will count.

A proposal passes if it has 100 more yes than no votes, and there are at least
twice as many yes as no votes for it. The four votes are separate, with the
logical exception that if all of 1..3 fail, 4 (rename to .misc) will not be
executed, even if it passes.

Thank you. May the best newsgroups win! (round of applause, commercial break)
-- 
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . G e r b e n   V o s   <><
Aconet: 8500/104!Gerben Vos  Internet: [email protected]
Contrary to popular belief, the programmers at Acorn do know what they are
doing.  -- Nicko van Someren

From [email protected] Mon Jun 29 16:56:06 1992
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From: Gerben 'P' Vos 
Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.sys.acorn reorganization
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[Below the Call For Votes is a list of all people whose votes i have received.]

It's
	THE GREAT COMP.SYS.ACORN REORGANISATION

Hello, and welcome. Here are our contestants:

1) CREATE comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
   Description: Why my Acorn computer or program is better than yours. Or not.

   Charter: Here you can hold long debates why the ARM610 is better than the
   586, why Translator's user interface is so very bad (or good!), or why
   Acorn should lower their prices. If you hold your wars here, the people who
   want to actually *do* things can get on with their work in the other Acorn
   groups.

2) CREATE comp.sys.acorn.announce moderated Alan Glover 
   Description: Announcements of interest to Acorn and ARM users. (Moderated)

   Charter: This will be a low-noise group in which announcements about
   (products for) Acorn computers or the ARM can be made, as well as
   additions to public archives, FAQ lists, virus alerts etc.

3) CREATE comp.sys.acorn.tech
   Description: Programming aspects and hardware of Acorn and ARM products.

   Charter: This group is for discussion among people who develop hard- and
   software for or with Acorn computers or ARM chips. Non-technical
   discussions belong in comp.sys.acorn.misc (or comp.sys.acorn, if .misc
   is not created).

4) RENAME comp.sys.acorn TO comp.sys.acorn.misc
   Description: The Acorn computer.

   Charter: This group is for discussion among users of Acorn computers.
   General Q&A belong here, as well as everything that doesn't fall under
   one of the other acorn groups. Lengthy discussions on the merits of one
   computer or piece of software over the other should move to .advocacy .


If you want to vote, please reply to this article (including its body), remove
everything except the ballot below, and replace the X's by Y (Yes), N (No) or
A (Abstain), depending on your choice.

============================ BALLOT ============================ 
   vote-01: [X] Create comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
   vote-02: [X] Create comp.sys.acorn.announce moderated
   vote-03: [X] Create comp.sys.acorn.tech
   vote-04: [X] Rename comp.sys.acorn to comp.sys.acorn.misc
================================================================

The voting address is [email protected] (people in the UK: if this doesn't work,
try gpvos%[email protected] or [email protected]), and voting is open from
now until Friday 10 July 1992, 23:59:59 GMT.

During the last week of the vote i will be on holiday, but i'll return just in
time to count the votes. You are encouraged to vote before 3 July, so i can
ask you for information if your vote is unclear in some way.

Please keep the keyword "CFV" in the subject header, that makes it easier for
me to separate the votes from the normal mail.

Voters will receive an automagic acknowledgement of their vote (my vote
processing script seems to work remarkably well).

Unless i'm in a bad mood, i will also accept votes in a different format (as
long as they are unambiguous and unconditional, i.e. "Yes, if..." type votes
will be treated as comments and not counted).

Voting "AAAA" is the same as not sending any vote, except that you get your
name listed in the list of the results.

If you change your mind, you can send your new vote to me in the same way.
The vote with the last date stamp will count.

A proposal passes if it has 100 more yes than no votes, and there are at least
twice as many yes as no votes for it. The four votes are separate, with the
logical exception that if all of 1..3 fail, 4 (rename to .misc) will not be
executed, even if it passes.

Thank you. May the best newsgroups win! (round of applause, commercial break)


I have received votes from the following people as of
Thu Jun 25 00:43:04 GMT 1992 (times and dates are in GMT):

10-06-1992 14:32:25  (R Voisey 
10-06-1992 12:33:12 /G=Rhodri/S=James/O=SJ-Research/ADMD=INTERSPAN/C=GB/ 
11-06-1992 13:16:53 /G=Richard/S=Crook/O=SJ-Research/ADMD=INTERSPAN/C=GB/ 
10-06-1992 08:04:49 /I=S/S=Carter/OU=HAL0200/O=STC Technology Ltd/PRMD=STC Plc/ <"/I=S/S=Carter/OU=HAL0200/O=STC Technology Ltd/PRMD=STC Plc/"@gold-400.gb>
10-06-1992 03:03:39 2105995 <[email protected]>
10-06-1992 08:55:29 A.J.D.Hurley 
10-06-1992 09:54:24 ajj-a 
10-06-1992 07:22:16 Alan Glover 
12-06-1992 21:36:00 Alan Ralph 
10-06-1992 08:06:15 Albert Koelmans 
11-06-1992 12:58:55 Alexander Jung 
10-06-1992 20:11:09 Andreas Raab 
11-06-1992 14:09:22 Andrew McMurry 
10-06-1992 10:45:07 Andrew.Stevens 
11-06-1992 13:59:11 Andy Ingle 
11-06-1992 09:43:46 Andy Merritt 
24-06-1992 12:39:48 Andy Yule 
13-06-1992 14:11:25 angelo 
11-06-1992 19:14:00 Anthony Frost 
19-06-1992 12:08:56 b c thompson 
12-06-1992 15:08:19 B Hogan 
10-06-1992 08:21:21 B.McCrone 
10-06-1992 11:55:15 Banana Jack 
15-06-1992 08:39:55 banksie 
10-06-1992 13:44:19 Bill Owens 
09-06-1992 21:56:22 Boerge Noest 
10-06-1992 19:11:30 Brian.Brunswick 
10-06-1992 13:05:09 Bruce Cockburn 
17-06-1992 13:03:34 C.D.Latham 
12-06-1992 22:27:21 Carsten Beck 
09-06-1992 16:46:42 Charles Loader 
10-06-1992 06:17:32 chas 
13-06-1992 00:57:59 Chris Dennis 
09-06-1992 18:19:22 Chris Glencross 
12-06-1992 13:46:54 Chris Hill 
10-06-1992 09:24:16 Chris Marshall 
10-06-1992 21:29:00 Christian Weisgerber 
22-06-1992 17:59:55 Christopher 
11-06-1992 12:01:31 Colin H A Hogben 
12-06-1992 20:16:25 crj10 
11-06-1992 10:35:26 D.S.Walker 
09-06-1992 17:52:34 Dag H}kon Myrdal 
10-06-1992 04:05:02 Damon W. Atkins 
10-06-1992 14:27:34 David Alan Gilbert 
10-06-1992 08:57:09 David Campbell 
11-06-1992 19:52:57 David De Vorchik 
10-06-1992 09:21:10 David Elworthy 
11-06-1992 09:24:14 David Seal 
22-06-1992 08:26:17 David Sparks 
10-06-1992 08:01:15 dcw-a 
09-06-1992 21:49:29 dean 
10-06-1992 19:27:11 Denis Howe 
10-06-1992 08:04:15 Dick Alstein 
10-06-1992 12:28:38 dme 
16-06-1992 02:43:17 Domenic DeFrancesco 
19-06-1992 12:51:41 Edward Nevill 
10-06-1992 17:07:33 ee0srk 
14-06-1992 01:06:10 epoo1 
21-06-1992 04:43:49 Ernest Cline 
11-06-1992 16:21:00 Everything is possible - Except skiing through a revolving door 
10-06-1992 09:14:26 Frank Lancaster 
11-06-1992 14:13:38 G.I.West 
10-06-1992 10:41:31 G.N.Sinclair 
10-06-1992 09:26:09 Gary Bartlett 
09-06-1992 22:42:15 Gavin.Flower 
10-06-1992 13:04:17 Geoff Ballinger 
25-06-1992 00:21:51 Gerben 'P' Vos 
10-06-1992 10:17:15 gpalmer 
09-06-1992 23:33:42 Greg O'Sullivan, Senior Systems Administrator 
10-06-1992 07:48:25 Greg Stewart-Nicholls 
11-06-1992 23:07:05 Gregory G. Woodbury 
13-06-1992 09:56:10 Gunnar Zoetl 
13-06-1992 03:42:46 harvey_a 
09-06-1992 19:14:02 Hickinbottom_Stuart/pinewood_lab_hpopd 
09-06-1992 19:03:41 hsundt 
10-06-1992 06:46:00 I Thurlbeck 
10-06-1992 07:04:31 ISGWILLIM 
11-06-1992 09:20:34 J M Fielder 
10-06-1992 16:48:01 J M Hicks 
22-06-1992 09:21:20 James G Smith 
09-06-1992 22:31:56 James Hammerton 
11-06-1992 12:39:55 James S. Lord 
11-06-1992 11:52:37 Jason O'Broin 
22-06-1992 15:04:11 Jeff O'Keefe 
10-06-1992 16:03:15 Jens H. Ovesen 
23-06-1992 05:12:31 Jeremy Lee 
10-06-1992 10:20:36 John.P.Baker 
19-06-1992 13:21:27 John_Lagrue.Wgc-e 
15-06-1992 07:53:43 Jon Piesing 
18-06-1992 11:58:59 Jon Thackray 
18-06-1992 12:13:12 Jon Thackray 
11-06-1992 14:04:13 Jonathan Coxhead 
11-06-1992 15:20:24 julian 
11-06-1992 22:50:49 jwil1 
12-06-1992 01:48:27 Kai Schlichting 
23-06-1992 12:36:30 kelly 
10-06-1992 11:31:03 Kjetil Torgrim Homme 
15-06-1992 10:32:32 Klaus Weidner 
13-06-1992 17:44:34 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 
10-06-1992 19:43:52 Laura Gillespie 
09-06-1992 17:16:35 Leif Gunnar Myhr 
10-06-1992 00:32:29 lithgow 
09-06-1992 16:15:20 lockedm 
10-06-1992 07:44:20 Loek L. Frederiks 
12-06-1992 14:13:13 Lord Yak Da Hairy 
17-06-1992 13:22:48 M.M.B.Corley 
11-06-1992 18:48:39 m89mrg 
11-06-1992 12:06:44 m90rjw 
19-06-1992 10:46:04 ma 
12-06-1992 07:55:41 Marc J M Botman 
11-06-1992 09:56:05 Marc Moorcroft 
22-06-1992 12:34:00 Martin Penny 
10-06-1992 08:35:44 Martin Ward 
10-06-1992 07:11:22 medema 
10-06-1992 08:39:46 Menno Genseberger (W90 
10-06-1992 14:31:28 Merlin Hughes 
13-06-1992 01:23:49 mhpower 
10-06-1992 09:05:41 mhw-a 
10-06-1992 11:44:50 Michael Hardy 
11-06-1992 13:59:20 Michael Sanders 
10-06-1992 10:05:12 Michaelides DT 
19-06-1992 15:16:54 Mister E 
10-06-1992 07:49:57 mk 
19-06-1992 14:57:35 Mr J L Saunders 
20-06-1992 10:53:15 Mr J L Saunders 
23-06-1992 16:29:47 mrt 
10-06-1992 12:09:09 N J A Jarman [Ero] 
12-06-1992 18:28:33 Neil Postlethwaite 
10-06-1992 10:15:10 Nick Kaijaks 
19-06-1992 15:50:06 Nick Smith 
10-06-1992 17:11:07 Nigel Gamble 
11-06-1992 13:37:33 Niklas R|jemo 
10-06-1992 12:36:59 NJ Batten 
11-06-1992 14:38:13 Ollie W Cornes 
10-06-1992 10:26:59 Owen Smith 
12-06-1992 09:33:32 P MacFarlane 
11-06-1992 12:21:05 P.J.Knight 
24-06-1992 21:50:44 Paul B Bunk, QR 2133, tel 62281, bgg 63331. 
22-06-1992 15:20:30 Paul Maclauchlan 
19-06-1992 12:49:56 Paul Quare 
10-06-1992 13:16:06 Peter McBrien 
11-06-1992 10:49:20 Peter Roozemaal (NW afst. 
10-06-1992 08:49:43 PH10 
10-06-1992 19:40:49 Phil Howard  
10-06-1992 08:26:51 Philip Colmer 
11-06-1992 09:40:24 Piers L C Haken 
10-06-1992 07:13:11 Pim van Grol 
11-06-1992 09:32:43 P_Debenham 
09-06-1992 16:20:23 R. P. White 
10-06-1992 14:45:53 Ragnar Hafstad 
11-06-1992 03:06:33 Real life?  Ha! 
09-06-1992 20:26:03 Richard H. Miller 
10-06-1992 08:36:14 Richard Porter 
22-06-1992 07:28:04 Robert Turner 
22-06-1992 12:14:14 rogersh 
19-06-1992 17:13:02 Roland Kaltefleiter 
11-06-1992 21:50:18 Sascha Wildner 
20-06-1992 12:01:42 Simon Lockhart 
21-06-1992 16:49:20 simonk 
23-06-1992 18:08:59 smb 
10-06-1992 17:32:17 sproven 
15-06-1992 20:33:08 srm2 
10-06-1992 15:07:02 Steffan Corley 
19-06-1992 12:51:00 Stephen Burke, Liverpool 
20-06-1992 14:11:42 Stephen Thomas 
10-06-1992 19:09:03 Steve "daffy" Hunt 
09-06-1992 22:17:00 Steve Loft 
10-06-1992 11:38:17 Stewart Brodie 
10-06-1992 09:15:51 Stuart Boutell 
19-06-1992 17:48:33 Sven Heinicke 
11-06-1992 14:07:00 S_JEKUTSCH 
09-06-1992 23:10:04 Tackline 
20-06-1992 02:11:16 telesys!kreed <@ennews.eas.asu.edu (Kevin W. Reed):[email protected]>
12-06-1992 09:52:28 The Bored One. 
14-06-1992 13:33:01 The Bored One. 
10-06-1992 07:58:25 Thomas J Hughes 
18-06-1992 08:16:49 Thorvaldur S. Arnarson 
23-06-1992 08:27:25 tjh-a 
16-06-1992 18:57:21 Tom Albrecht 
09-06-1992 18:48:49 torq 
10-06-1992 09:34:00 Ug! 
10-06-1992 12:26:06 Valerio Pulese 260461/IL 
22-06-1992 11:26:20 vorn hancock 
20-06-1992 15:49:34 wgt-a 
-- 
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . G e r b e n   V o s   <><
Aconet: 8500/104!Gerben Vos  Internet: [email protected]
[...] is the closest to advertising I have ever seen from Acorn.  -- Jeremy Lee

From [email protected] Thu Jul 16 12:01:07 1992
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From: Gerben 'P' Vos 
Subject: RESULT: comp.sys.acorn reorganization
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: news.groups
Summary: All passed, except the renaming of c.s.a to c.s.a.misc
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1992 22:18:00 GMT
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        THE GREAT COMP.SYS.ACORN REORGANISATION - FINALS

Alas, one of our contestants was knocked out of the race, and another just
barely made it, but let's first look at the score board!

        THE RESULTS FROM THE USENET JURY:

c.s.a.advocacy PASSED with 151 votes for,  50 against and  16 abstentions.
c.s.a.announce PASSED with 189 votes for,  24 against and   4 abstentions.
c.s.a.tech     PASSED with 174 votes for,  32 against and  11 abstentions.
c.s.a.misc     FAILED with 138 votes for,  57 against and  22 abstentions.

So, comp.sys.acorn.advocacy, comp.sys.acorn.announce and comp.sys.acorn.tech
will all be created, and the renaming of comp.sys.acorn to comp.sys.acorn.misc
will not take place.

The newgroup control messages will be sent out by David Lawrence after the
usual five day waiting period, during which corrections to the vote list can
be made.


Charters of the groups which have passed the voting procedure:

1) comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
   Description: Why my Acorn computer or program is better than yours. Or not.

   Charter: Here you can hold long debates why the ARM610 is better than the
   586, why Translator's user interface is so very bad (or good!), or why
   Acorn should lower their prices. If you hold your wars here, the people who
   want to actually *do* things can get on with their work in the other Acorn
   groups.

2) comp.sys.acorn.announce moderated Alan Glover 
   Description: Announcements of interest to Acorn and ARM users. (Moderated)

   Charter: This will be a low-noise group in which announcements about
   (products for) Acorn computers or the ARM can be made, as well as
   additions to public archives, FAQ lists, virus alerts etc.

3) comp.sys.acorn.tech
   Description: Programming aspects and hardware of Acorn and ARM products.

   Charter: This group is for discussion among people who develop hard- and
   software for or with Acorn computers or ARM chips. Non-technical
   discussions belong in comp.sys.acorn .

4) comp.sys.acorn - rename failed, stays the same

Thanks go to the following people who voted:

+---- Create comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
|+--- Create comp.sys.acorn.announce
||+-- Create comp.sys.acorn.tech
|||+- Rename comp.sys.acorn to comp.sys.acorn.misc
vvvv
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