From [email protected] Mon Feb 14 19:53:57 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Adam FinkelsteinNewsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.gardens,rec.food.cooking,rec.food.veg,sci.agriculture,sci.bio,bionet.general,misc.rural,rec.food.historic,alt.sustainable.agriculture,rec.crafts.brewing Subject: RFD: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Followup-To: news.groups Date: 12 Feb 1994 00:31:17 -0500 Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. Lines: 48 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4600 news.groups:95206 rec.gardens:32412 rec.food.cooking:89019 rec.food.veg:42303 sci.agriculture:183 sci.bio:17511 bionet.general:8045 misc.rural:9051 rec.food.historic:2150 alt.sustainable.agriculture:2168 rec.crafts.brewing:24517 This is a formal request for discussion on the creation of the newsgroup: sci.agriculture.beekeeping. The science and art of beekeeping spans many fields of discipline: bees are used in agriculture, science, medicine, and for enjoyment. Bees produce honey, wax, propolis, pollen, and venom. Presently on the internet there is one formal forum for bee discussion: bee-l, a listserve dedicated to discussions concerning bee biology, and beekeeping. The list handles moderate traffic, but often becomes clogged during active bee seasons. Bee-l has a scientific tone, and although encourages beekeeping questions, tends to have biology as its theme. Beekeeping is _applied_ biology. A beekeeper might have bee questions or questions concerning where to obtain wood and glue for beehive manufacture. Beekeeping lore and technique often is the antithesis of bee biology! Beekeeping is practiced throughout the world. Colony management, parasite control, honey extraction and packaging, wax rendering, marketing of hive products and public relations are all components of beekeeping. These topics although possibly addressed in bee-l often require lengthly discussions. "Which honey tastes better?" or "How do I re-heat honey that is crystallized?" "How much should I charge for a one pound jar of honey?" These are beekeeper questions or questions concerning beekeepers' products and not bee biology. Sci.agriculture.beekeeping would contain these discussions well and relieve the congestion of the bee-l during active beekeeping seasons. Bee management is controversial, dynamic and the laws, policies and techniques vary from region to region, as do beekeepers themselves. Bees kept in Arizona react differently to a management technique than bees kept in southern Germany. Since beekeeping lately has been inundated with difficulties ranging from parasitic bee mites to cut throat marketing tactics, beekeepers need an area on the internet that may cover all this information. Bee-l the bee biology listserve attempts to do this now, and if it was successful, I would not be posting this RFD. The creation of sci.agriculture.beekeeping would allow beekeepers access to bee information other than specific bee biology, while allowing the bee biology listserve to function. One would compliment the other. Beekeeping and bee biology are interrelated but not the same. To be a good beekeeper, one needs as much information as possible. The creation of the usenet group: sci.agriculture.beekeeping, would enhance beekeepers' knowledge in conjunction with the bee-l, or the bee biology listserve. Discussion of this proposal will occur in news.groups starting at the time this posting and lasting 30 days. -- =============================================================================== Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) [email protected] [email protected] |Bees To Please| From [email protected] (RonDippold) Tue Mar 22 20:14:28 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.gardens,rec.food.cooking,rec.food.veg,rec.crafts.brewing,rec.pets,rec.food.historic,bionet.general,sci.agriculture,sci.bio,alt.sustainable.agriculture,alt.beer,misc.rural Subject: 2nd CFV: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Supersedes: Followup-To: poster Date: 22 Mar 1994 19:19:36 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 55 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 6 Apr 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: References: Reply-To: [email protected] (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4811 news.groups:98762 rec.gardens:34368 rec.food.cooking:92569 rec.food.veg:44426 rec.crafts.brewing:26926 rec.pets:35225 rec.food.historic:2309 bionet.general:8622 sci.agriculture:498 sci.bio:18533 alt.sustainable.agriculture:2565 alt.beer:29166 misc.rural:9438 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups line: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Beekeeping, bee-culture and hive products. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 5 April 1994. After the CFV appears on news.announce.newgroups it will be sent to and mailing lists. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact [email protected]. For questions about the proposed group contact Adam Finkelstein . CHARTER Discussion on all aspects of beekeeping,bee-culture, and products of the hive. Sci.agriculture.beekeeping will provide beekeepers, bee scientists, farmers, and the general public one place for apicultural information. A FAQ is needed for bee-culture and beekeeping from African bees, to bee venom therapy. The curious are invited to discuss bee lore or ask questions, and the experienced beekeepers will be able to advise and help with the anecdotal information so necessary to beekeeping. HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. Your mail message should contain one of the following statements: I vote YES on sci.agriculture.beekeeping I vote NO on sci.agriculture.beekeeping You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. sci.agriculture.beekeeping Bounce List - No need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] Bob Tykulsker [email protected] From [email protected] (RonDippold) Mon Apr 11 19:37:05 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.gardens,rec.food.cooking,rec.food.veg,rec.crafts.brewing,rec.pets,rec.food.historic,bionet.general,sci.agriculture,sci.bio,alt.sustainable.agriculture,alt.beer,misc.rural Subject: RESULT: sci.agriculture.beekeeping passes 271:27 Supersedes: Followup-To: news.groups Date: 8 Apr 1994 16:37:16 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 353 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4920 news.groups:100161 rec.gardens:35209 rec.food.cooking:93896 rec.food.veg:45266 rec.crafts.brewing:27890 rec.pets:35696 rec.food.historic:2388 bionet.general:8836 sci.agriculture:613 sci.bio:18862 alt.sustainable.agriculture:2616 alt.beer:30077 misc.rural:9716 RESULT unmoderated group sci.agriculture.beekeeping passes 271:27 There were 271 YES votes and 27 NO votes, for a total of 298 valid votes. There were 2 abstains and 2 invalid ballots. For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Beekeeping, bee-culture and hive products. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact [email protected]. For questions about the proposed group contact Adam Finkelstein . CHARTER Discussion on all aspects of beekeeping,bee-culture, and products of the hive. Sci.agriculture.beekeeping will provide beekeepers, bee scientists, farmers, and the general public one place for apicultural information. A FAQ is needed for bee-culture and beekeeping from African bees, to bee venom therapy. The curious are invited to discuss bee lore or ask questions, and the experienced beekeepers will be able to advise and help with the anecdotal information so necessary to beekeeping. sci.agriculture.beekeeping Final Vote Ack Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] Thomas_S.Stanton [email protected] Michael Ober [email protected] Bill Otto [email protected] William Charlton [email protected] Alexander Urszu Bertland [email protected] Adam Finkelstein [email protected] Andrew D Kailhofer [email protected] [email protected] Alexander F. Murray III [email protected] Bill Moses [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Ann Marie Hules [email protected] JESUS EUGENIO SANCHEZ PENA [email protected] The Renaissance Man [email protected] Allison R. 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Shannon [email protected] Bobby Richardson [email protected] Bob McCormick [email protected] Bob Tykulsker [email protected] Steve Bongiovanni [email protected] Wilhelm Bos, Microbiologie [email protected] Bruzzi Giacomo [email protected] Kurt M Bryan [email protected] [email protected] Mick CARRICK [email protected] Chris Conroy CENDSE05%[email protected] Celso F. Martins [email protected] [email protected] Collin Forbes [email protected] Forrest Cook [email protected] Brett Costley [email protected] Craig Smith 806 1080 [email protected] C. S. Fungaroli [email protected] Bertil Jonell [email protected] Dorothy Klein [email protected] DAMBERGER [email protected] dil [email protected] Bill Davidsen [email protected] Laurel McGilvery [email protected] David Dyer-Bennet [email protected] Dave D. 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Rygh [email protected] Matthew Kweskin [email protected] Martin Schroeder [email protected] Lachlan Cranswick [email protected] Langlois, Peter [email protected] david k larsen [email protected] Larry Lynch-Freshner [email protected] Laurel Halbany [email protected] [email protected] Ken Lebo [email protected] [email protected] Leigh Melton [email protected] [email protected] Linda or Robert Golder [email protected] Libby Goldstein [email protected] Larry London [email protected] Luigi P Bai [email protected] Laurie Weitzel [email protected] Max L. Blosser [email protected] Steve MacDonald DTN: 381-2797 ZKO3-2/W21 [email protected] Mary A. Freeman [email protected] Mark C. Orton [email protected] Mark Conlon [email protected] [email protected] Mark Atwood [email protected] Maurice CLERC [email protected] MARTIN DALE PATE [email protected] Mary C. 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Clawson [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] todd d ellner TEW_JIM/[email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Thomas Herbert [email protected] Lawrence Smith [email protected] Tim Cespedes [email protected] Tim Ikeda [email protected] Bruce M Tindall -- Personal Account [email protected] Tim Titus (803) 250-8236 [email protected] Terry McDaneld [email protected] Steve Toigo [email protected] Tom Doak [email protected] Anthony Wallis [email protected] [email protected] U14371%[email protected] [email protected] David Kuyper [email protected] [email protected] Rob Uyeyama;[email protected] [email protected] Steven P. Vance [email protected] Lisa Vawter [email protected] [email protected] Jason Verch [email protected] VGTOLEDO%[email protected] Vagner de Alencar Arnaut de Toledo [email protected] Victor Guest [email protected] Ville Lavonius [email protected] Warwick Rowell [email protected] Paul M. Wexelblat [email protected] ANDY NACHBAUR [email protected] Will Kazez [email protected] Louise Wootton [email protected] [email protected] WTS Yadallee%[email protected] Dave Shariff Yadallee [email protected] Yvon Bourassa [email protected] John Young [email protected] Dave Keith [email protected] Elizabeth S. Zimmermann [email protected] Zdenek Nejedly Voted No (* = ruled invalid during counting) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] * Bulletin Board System [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Jai Maharaj [email protected] Barry Donovan [email protected] [email protected] Eric Smith [email protected] Sean P. Ryan [email protected] G. "Wolfe" Woodbury HD0022%[email protected] Chip Dunham [email protected] Jerry J Bromenshenk [email protected] John R. MacWilliamson [email protected] Andreas.Kasenides [email protected] Harold Levie [email protected] Gerry Swetsky [email protected] Manuel Pastor Mease [email protected] TIM [email protected] Sendhil Revuluri [email protected] [email protected] Arun Sannuti [email protected] Marc Moorcroft [email protected] Dwight Brown [email protected] Aaron Morris [email protected] Cliff Van Eaton [email protected] [email protected] Ward F. Bush [email protected] wade hostler [email protected] Yong Nan Lee Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] La Reine de la Cite' des Phoques (Liz Day) [email protected] Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] Randy B. Rogers ! No vote statement in message
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