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This is a Request For Discussion of a newsgroup for classical studies.

NAME (proposed):
	sci.lang.classical

STATUS (proposed):
	unmoderated

CHARTER (proposed):

For discussion of Classical Studies, especially, but not exclusively, the
study of Classical Greek and Roman culture, languages, history, and art.

COMMENTS:

An increasing number of news subscribers have academic interests in the
humanities.  It is time that some of the more popular of these subjects
had their own groups.  Up till now, discussion of classical studies has
been taking place both in sci.lang (where it doesn't belong) and in
rec.org.sca (where it of primarily peripheral interest).  A preliminary
discussion, in those two groups, suggests that there is some support for
a group dedicated to classical studies.

The only hierarchy for academic topics is sci.*.  This has the side
benefit of obviating future debates to classify subjects as social
sciences or humanities.

Although the newsgroup would not be restricted to discussions of languages
only, the name sci.lang.classical appears more clear than the alternative
option, sci.classics.

Other topics that are peripheral to classical studies - Sanskrit, Aramaic,
Biblical cultures, and so forth - will be welcome (I imagine that there
would not be enough support for a group dedicated to Aramaic).  Experience
suggests that there is no way to prevent occasional postings on subjects
that are completely outside the realm of classical studies, but we would
rather not encourage them.
-- 
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John Rickert and Cary Timar, Vanderbilt University, Nashville
[email protected]  &  [email protected]

From [email protected] Sun Apr 19 21:33:12 1992
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.lang,rec.org.sca
From: [email protected] (Cary Timar)
Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK:  sci.classics
Followup-To: poster
Reply-To: [email protected]
Organization: Vanderbilt U. Math Grad Student
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:21:48 GMT

This is the second Call For Votes on a newsgroup for classical
studies.  At the end is a mass acknowlegdement of the votes that
we have registered so far.  If you have voted but are not listed,
please vote again, following the instructions below, carefully.

NAME: sci.classics

STATUS: unmoderated

CHARTER:

For discussion of Classical Studies, especially, but not exclusively, the
study of Classical Greek and Roman culture, languages, history, and art.

VOTING:

All votes must be e-mailed directly to: [email protected]
The voting period will run from March 27 to April 26.

Votes posted to the net, or forwarded by a third party, WILL NOT BE
ACCEPTED.

Each vote should state explicitly, in the subject line or in the first
line of the message, "I vote YES for sci.classics," or "I vote NO against
sci.classics."

Any comments, such as, "but I would prefer ..." or, "but I would vote
differently if ..." can be included *after* a clear statement of which
way you are voting.

An overworked graduate student will eventually send you a confirmation
of your vote.

A Second CFV and list of votes received will be posted in about two
weeks.

COMMENTS:

An increasing number of news subscribers have academic interests in the
humanities.  It is time that some of the more popular of these subjects
had their own groups.  Up till now, discussion of classical studies has
been taking place both in sci.lang (where it doesn't belong) and in
rec.org.sca (where it of primarily peripheral interest).  A preliminary
discussion, in those two groups, suggests that there is some support for
a group dedicated to classical studies.

Other topics that are peripheral to classical studies - Sanskrit, Aramaic,
Biblical cultures, Medieval and Modern Latin and so forth - will be welcome
(I imagine that there would not be enough support for a group dedicated to
Aramaic).  Experience suggests that there is no way to prevent occasional
postings on subjects that are completely outside the realm of classical
studies, but we would rather not encourage them.

The only hierarchy for academic topics is sci.*.  This has the side
benefit of obviating future debates to classify subjects as social
sciences or humanities.  From the perspective of classicists, it is
worth noting that the Latin scientia referred to all knowledge, not
only the subjects currently called sciences.

The name sci.classics is the most general of the more widely supported
proposals.  The other, sci.lang.classical, places too much emphasis on
the languages, at the expense of history, art, culture, archaeology,
and other aspects.  It also appeared that the name sci.lang.classical
would be opposed by some readers of sci.lang, who viewed it as an
unfair invasion of their namespace.

Some proposed that the group be the first of a new subhierarchy for
humanities, sci.arts.* or sci.humanities.*.  In order to get the CFV
out in a reasonable time, I am letting this issue wait.

If a humanities subhierarchy is formed, if the newsgroup name is found
to attract too many misplaced postings, or if for some other reason a
change of name is found desirable, it will be easier to conduct the
discussions in the group itself, once it is created.
===========================================================================

MASS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
====================
As of April 5, we have registered votes from the following users
(sorted by surname, to the extent that that could be determined.)
If you have voted, but your name is not in this list, please vote
again, following the instructions above, carefully.

	
	
Cristy 
The Shaman 
Russell Ackerman 
Allan Adler 
Rich Alderson 
Benjamin Allen 
Dawn Amos 
William S. Annis 
Ian Bacon 
Sam Bassett 
Louis Bertrand 
James Roger Black 
Rahul Bonner 
Paul H. Borcher 
Mark Brader 
William A. Bralick Jr. 
Roger H. Brown 
Doug Brownell 
Justin Bur 
Hans Buurman 
Mark Joseph Bylander 
Jack Campin 
David Carlton 
Shih-tsun Alex Chou 
Richard Commander 
Michael A. Covington 
Stephanie da Silva 
James Dehnert 
Rick DeMattia 
John G. Dobnick 
Andrew Draskoy 
Cyberpixie 
Eleanor Evans 
Mark R. Farnsworth 
A. T. Fear 
Kevin Fitzpatrick 
Maurice Forrester 
Chris Galas 
Joy Haftel 
Roger L. Hale 
Uncle Klaus 
Boris Hemkemeier 
Robert S. Hill 
Kenton A. Hoover 
Scott Horne 
Dave Hudson 
Diana Hulsey 
Roland Hutchinson 
Randell Jesup 
Dave Joyce 
Brian Kariger 
Brendan Kehoe 
Dave Kohr 
Edward Kovach 
"Happy, happy, happy; Joy, joy, joy!" 
Stuart L. Labovitz 
Andy Latto 
Suzanne McCaffrey 
Benjamin J. McCall 
Todd McComb 
Lola McCrary 
Roland F. McKenney 
Paul Maclauchlan 
Lars Henrik Mathiesen 
Steve Mitchell 
Malcolm Mladenovic 
William Moxley 
John A. Murdie 
Dave Murphy 
Nick Stavros Nicholas 
S. Nielsen 
Harald Nordgard-Hansen 
Barbara Nostrand 
Conor O'Neill 
Maryline G. Parca 
Toivo Pedaste 
George J. Perkins 
Chris Phillips 
Bently Preece 
Renegade 
Serious Moonlighter (Marc Raman?) 
Paul Reilly 
Sendhil Revuluri 
John Rickert 
Wolfgang Rohdewald 
Prof. Haiim B. Rose'n 
Prof. Hannah Rose'n 
David E. Sanders <[email protected]>
David Sansone 
Don Sawtelle 
Frank Schauerte 
Michael S. Schiffer 
Antti Simola 
Sally Smith 
Sven Spanne 
Karel Stokkermans 
Jeff Suzuki 
Otto Tennant 
Gary Thomas 
Cary Timar 
Lynda L. True 
David Turrell 
Daniel Veditz 
David Wald 
Jade Walker 
R. Wallace 
Bill Walther 
Christopher Ward 
Steve Willner 
A. Wilson 
Norman Yarvin 
Robert A. Zeh 
Wolfgang Zenker 
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John Rickert and Cary Timar, Vanderbilt University, Nashville
[email protected]  &  [email protected]
-- 
	-- Cary Timar, Mathematics Department, Vanderbilt University


From [email protected] Sun Apr 19 22:03:47 1992
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From: [email protected] (Cary Timar)
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Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK:  sci.classics
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Date: 17 Apr 1992 17:08:20 -0400
Organization: Vanderbilt U. Math Grad Student
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This is the third Call For Votes on a newsgroup for classical
studies.  At the end is a mass acknowlegdement of the votes that
we have registered so far.  If you have voted but are not listed,
please vote again, following the instructions below, carefully.

NAME: sci.classics

STATUS: unmoderated

CHARTER:

For discussion of Classical Studies, especially, but not exclusively, the
study of Classical Greek and Roman culture, languages, history, and art.

VOTING:

All votes must be e-mailed directly to: [email protected]
The voting period will run from March 27 to April 26.

Votes posted to the net, or forwarded by a third party, WILL NOT BE
ACCEPTED.

Each vote should state explicitly, in the subject line or in the first
line of the message, "I vote YES for sci.classics," or "I vote NO against
sci.classics."

Any comments, such as, "but I would prefer ..." or, "but I would vote
differently if ..." can be included *after* a clear statement of which
way you are voting.

An overworked graduate student will eventually send you a confirmation
of your vote.

A Second CFV and list of votes received will be posted in about two
weeks.

COMMENTS:

An increasing number of news subscribers have academic interests in the
humanities.  It is time that some of the more popular of these subjects
had their own groups.  Up till now, discussion of classical studies has
been taking place both in sci.lang (where it doesn't belong) and in
rec.org.sca (where it of primarily peripheral interest).  A preliminary
discussion, in those two groups, suggests that there is some support for
a group dedicated to classical studies.

Other topics that are peripheral to classical studies - Sanskrit, Aramaic,
Biblical cultures, Medieval and Modern Latin and so forth - will be welcome
(I imagine that there would not be enough support for a group dedicated to
Aramaic).  Experience suggests that there is no way to prevent occasional
postings on subjects that are completely outside the realm of classical
studies, but we would rather not encourage them.

The only hierarchy for academic topics is sci.*.  This has the side
benefit of obviating future debates to classify subjects as social
sciences or humanities.  From the perspective of classicists, it is
worth noting that the Latin scientia referred to all knowledge, not
only the subjects currently called sciences.

The name sci.classics is the most general of the more widely supported
proposals.  The other, sci.lang.classical, places too much emphasis on
the languages, at the expense of history, art, culture, archaeology,
and other aspects.  It also appeared that the name sci.lang.classical
would be opposed by some readers of sci.lang, who viewed it as an
unfair invasion of their namespace.

Some proposed that the group be the first of a new subhierarchy for
humanities, sci.arts.* or sci.humanities.*.  In order to get the CFV
out in a reasonable time, I am letting this issue wait.

If a humanities subhierarchy is formed, if the newsgroup name is found
to attract too many misplaced postings, or if for some other reason a
change of name is found desirable, it will be easier to conduct the
discussions in the group itself, once it is created.
===========================================================================

MASS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
====================
As of April 16, we have registered votes from the following users
(sorted by surname, to the extent that that could be determined.)

	
	
Cristy 
The Shaman 
Russell Ackerman 
Allan Adler 
Tom Albrecht 
Rich Alderson 
Benjamin Allen 
Dawn Amos 
William S. Annis 
Ian Bacon 
Sam Bassett 
Jane Bellemore 
Louis Bertrand 
James Roger Black 
Rahul Bonner 
Paul H. Borcher 
Mark Brader 
William A. Bralick Jr. 
Roger H. Brown 
Doug Brownell 
Rick Bueker 
Justin Bur 
Hans Buurman 
Mark Joseph Bylander 
Jack Campin 
David Carlton 
John Chew 
Shih-tsun Alex Chou 
Richard Commander 
Michael A. Covington 
Frits Daalmans 
Stephanie da Silva 
James Dehnert 
Rick DeMattia 
Kim DeVaughn 
John G. Dobnick 
Andrew Draskoy 
Cyberpixie 
Mark Eckenwiler 
Lowell Edmunds 
Eleanor Evans 
Mark R. Farnsworth 
A. T. Fear 
Fearnley Anne 
Kevin Fitzpatrick 
Maurice Forrester 
Chris Galas 
John Greer 
Jacques Guy 
Joy Haftel 
Roger L. Hale 
Michael Hand 
Ronda Hauben 
Uncle Klaus 
Wiljo Heinen 
Boris Hemkemeier 
Robert S. Hill 
Janne Himanka 
Kenton A. Hoover 
Scott Horne 
Dave Hudson 
Diana Hulsey 
Roland Hutchinson 
Randell Jesup 
David A. Johns 
Dave Joyce 
Yeshik Meir Kahana 
Brian Kariger 
Brendan Kehoe 
Richard Kellermann 
Dave Kohr 
Edward Kovach 
"Happy, happy, happy; Joy, joy, joy!" 
Stuart L. Labovitz 
Andy Latto 
Suzanne McCaffrey 
Benjamin J. McCall 
Todd McComb 
Lola McCrary 
Roland F. McKenney 
Paul Maclauchlan 
Lars Henrik Mathiesen 
Sara Maxwell 
Steve Mitchell 
Malcolm Mladenovic 
Marc Moorcroft 
Tony Mountifield 
William Moxley 
John A. Murdie 
Dave Murphy 
Nick Stavros Nicholas 
S. Nielsen 
Harald Nordgard-Hansen 
Barbara Nostrand 
James O'Donnell 
Douglas Olson 
Conor O'Neill 
Maryline G. Parca 
Dr Roger D. Parks 
Toivo Pedaste 
George J. Perkins 
Christopher Pettus 
Chris Phillips 
Roger Phillips 
Bently Preece 
Renegade 
Serious Moonlighter (Marc Reeve) 
George Matthew Regnery 
Paul Reilly 
Sendhil Revuluri 
John Rickert 
Carl Rigney 
Webb Roberts 
Wolfgang Rohdewald 
Prof. Haiim B. Rose'n 
Prof. Hannah Rose'n 
Chip Rosenthal 
David E. Sanders <[email protected]>
David Sansone 
Don Sawtelle 
David Schairer 
Frank Schauerte 
Michael S. Schiffer 
B. Schlesinger 
Mark Shields 
Antti Simola 
Alden Smith 
Sally Smith 
Sven Spanne 
Karel Stokkermans 
David W. Summers 
Jeff Suzuki 
Christian Taube 
Otto Tennant 
Gary Thomas 
Cary Timar 
Henry (H.W.) Troup 
Lynda L. True 
Cliff Tuel 
David Turrell 
Rob van Gerwen 
Daniel Veditz 
David Wald 
Jade Walker 
R. Wallace 
Bill Walther 
Christopher Ward 
Weber 
Andrew Werling	
Steve Willner 
A. Wilson 
Norman Yarvin 
Robert A. Zeh 
Wolfgang Zenker 
Joann Zimmerman 

John Rickert and Cary Timar, Vanderbilt University, Nashville
[email protected]  &  [email protected]
-- 
	-- Cary Timar, Mathematics Department, Vanderbilt University

From [email protected] Tue Apr 28 12:12:49 1992
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From: [email protected] (Netnews Ballot Box)
Subject: RESULT:  sci.classics passes 159: 34
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Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1992 15:41:20 GMT
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The results of the vote on a newsgroup for classical studies were:
159 votes in favour, 34 votes opposed.  There will be a five day waiting
period in which any errors should be brought to our attention.  If, as
seems likely, there are not enough errors to eliminate the 25 vote
safety margin, the new group will be created in a few days.

At the end is a list of the votes that we have registered.  If your vote
is listed incorrectly, if you see a vote that you believe to be invalid,
or if you wish to indicate any irregularities in the voting, please
reply immediately, or the new group creation will go ahead as planned.

NAME: sci.classics

STATUS: unmoderated

CHARTER:

For discussion of Classical Studies, especially, but not exclusively, the
study of Classical Greek and Roman culture, languages, history, and art.

COMMENTS:

An increasing number of news subscribers have academic interests in the
humanities.  It is time that some of the more popular of these subjects
had their own groups.  Up till now, discussion of classical studies has
been taking place both in sci.lang (where it doesn't belong) and in
rec.org.sca (where it of primarily peripheral interest).  A preliminary
discussion, in those two groups, suggests that there is some support for
a group dedicated to classical studies.

Other topics that are peripheral to classical studies - Sanskrit, Aramaic,
Biblical cultures, Medieval and Modern Latin and so forth - will be welcome
(I imagine that there would not be enough support for a group dedicated to
Aramaic).  Experience suggests that there is no way to prevent occasional
postings on subjects that are completely outside the realm of classical
studies, but we would rather not encourage them.

Several respondents commented on the explanation above.  It is not meant
to be in any way restrictive or definitive.  It was intended primarily
to give non-classicists some idea of what Classical Studies includes.

We had other comments on the name.  Some of the voters, on both sides,
felt that a different name would be better.  This can be debated more
easily once the group is formed.

The only hierarchy for academic topics is sci.*.  This has the side
benefit of obviating future debates to classify subjects as social
sciences or humanities.  From the perspective of classicists, it is
worth noting that the Latin scientia referred to all knowledge, not
only the subjects currently called sciences.

The name sci.classics is the most general of the more widely supported
proposals.  The other, sci.lang.classical, places too much emphasis on
the languages, at the expense of history, art, culture, archaeology,
and other aspects.  It also appeared that the name sci.lang.classical
would be opposed by some readers of sci.lang, who viewed it as an
unfair invasion of their namespace.

Some proposed that the group be the first of a new subhierarchy for
humanities, sci.arts.* or sci.humanities.*.  In order to get the CFV
out in a reasonable time, I let this issue wait.

Others felt that the group belonged in the soc.* hierarchy (either
assuming that Classical Studies is a Social Science (!) or that it is
merely an excuse for socializing) or in misc.*.  

If a humanities subhierarchy is formed, if the newsgroup name is found
to attract too many misplaced postings, or if for some other reason a
change of name is found desirable, it will be easier to conduct the
discussions in the group itself, once it is created.
===========================================================================

Votes were received from the following (in alphabetical order by
surname, as far as that could be determined)

YES:
----
?? 
?? 
Russell Ackerman 
Allan Adler 
Rich Alderson 
Andrea Aldridge 
Benjamin Allen 
Dawn Amos 
Norm Andrews 
William S. Annis 
Ian Bacon 
Lt. J.D. Baldwin 
Sam Bassett 
John Bauer 
Jane Bellemore 
Louis Bertrand 
James Roger Black 
John Blasik 
Rahul Bonner 
Paul H. Borcher 
William A. Bralick Jr. 
Doug Brownell 
Rick Bueker 
Justin Bur 
Hans Buurman 
Mark Joseph Bylander 
Jack Campin 
David Carlton 
John Chew 
Richard Commander 
Michael A. Covington 
John Cowan 
Frits Daalmans 
Stephanie da Silva 
James Dehnert 
Jonathan Delatizky 
Rick DeMattia 
Ivan A Derzhanski 
John G. Dobnick 
Andrew Draskoy 
Mark Eckenwiler 
Lowell Edmunds 
Eleanor Evans 
Benjamin Fan 
Mark R. Farnsworth 
A. T. Fear 
Fearnley Anne 
Alvaro Fernandes 
Kevin Fitzpatrick 
Maurice Forrester 
Andrew AJ Foxx 
Christina Freeman 
Chris Galas 
Patrick Garvin 
John Greer 
Jacques Guy 
Andrew Hackard 
Joy Haftel 
Roger L. Hale 
Dean Hallford 
Michael Hand 
Ronda Hauben 
"Uncle Klaus" 
Wiljo Heinen 
Boris Hemkemeier 
Robert S. Hill 
Janne Himanka 
Kenton A. Hoover 
Dave Hudson 
Diana Hulsey 
Roland Hutchinson 
Randell Jesup 
David A. Johns 
Frank Kaefer 
Brian Kariger 
Marion Kee 
Brendan Kehoe 
Richard Kellermann 
Dave Kohr 
Edward Kovach 
"Happy, happy, happy; Joy, joy, joy!" 
Stuart L. Labovitz 
Seth Leichter 
Suzanne McCaffrey 
Benjamin J. McCall 
Todd McComb 
Lola McCrary 
Roland F. McKenney 
Lars Henrik Mathiesen 
Sara Maxwell 
Margaret Mikulska 
Steve Mitchell 
Malcolm Mladenovic 
Tony Mountifield 
Erik Naggum 
Michael Nakamaye 
Nick Stavros Nicholas 
Harald Nordgard-Hansen 
Barbara Nostrand 
Deborah Nunn 
James O'Donnell 
Douglas Olson 
Magnus Olsson 
Paul Palmer 
Maryline G. Parca 
Dr Roger D. Parks 
Toivo Pedaste 
George J. Perkins 
Christopher Pettus 
Roger Phillips 
Bently Preece 
Marc Reeve 
George Matthew Regnery 
Paul Reilly 
Sendhil Revuluri 
John Rickert 
Wolfgang Rohdewald 
Prof. Haiim B. Rose'n 
Prof. Hannah Rose'n 
David E. Sanders <[email protected]>
David Sansone 
Don Sawtelle 
David Schairer 
Frank Schauerte 
Michael S. Schiffer 
B. Schlesinger 
Ulrik Serges 
Mark Shields 
Antti Simola 
Ralph Sims 
Dorai Sitaram 
Alden Smith 
Sally Smith 
Sven Spanne 
Karel Stokkermans 
Jeff Suzuki 
Christian Taube 
Otto Tennant 
Gary Thomas 
Cary Timar 
Henry (H.W.) Troup 
Lynda L. True 
Patricia O Tuama 
David Turrell 
Rob van Gerwen 
Daniel Veditz 
Patrick E Visel 
David Wald 
Jade Walker 
R. Wallace 
Bill Walther 
Skip Watson 
Weber 
Andrew Werling	
Alan R Williams 
A. Wilson 
Mikhail Zeleny 
Wolfgang Zenker 
Joann Zimmerman 

NO:
---
?? 
Cristy 
"The Shaman" 
Tom Albrecht 
Mark Brader 
Daniel Briggs 
Roger H. Brown 
Shih-tsun Alex Chou 
Kim DeVaughn 
"Cyberpixie" 
Tom Fitzgerald 
Scott Horne 
Dave Joyce 
Yeshik Meir Kahana 
Andy Latto 
Paul Maclauchlan 
Marc Moorcroft 
William Moxley 
John A. Murdie 
Dave Murphy 
S. Nielsen 
Conor O'Neill 
Chris Phillips 
"Renegade" 
Neil W Rickert 
Carl Rigney 
Webb Roberts 
Chip Rosenthal 
David W. Summers 
Cliff Tuel 
Christopher Ward 
Steve Willner 
Norman Yarvin 
Robert A. Zeh 
-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
John Rickert and Cary Timar, Vanderbilt University, Nashville
[email protected]  &  [email protected]

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