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From [email protected] Tue May 19 16:43:52 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2362 news.groups:51241 comp.sys.acorn:8709 eunet.micro.acorn:1338 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.acorn,eunet.micro.acorn Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Gerben 'P' Vos <[email protected]> Subject: RFD:  comp.sys.acorn reorganization Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: cs.vu.nl Date: Tue, 19 May 1992 17:23:53 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 57    *** REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION: comp.sys.acorn SPLIT ***  Recently, comp.sys.acorn has been flooded by flame wars and the amount of traffic is, in general, becoming too high. This is why there has been some discussion on how to split the group. Now the ideas on this are becoming clearer, i think it's time to make that discussion official.  Note: all discussion should take place in news.groups . It is inevitable that some of it will leak into comp.sys.acorn, but don't make it too bad.  What follows is a summary of the groups proposed, and some of the points concerning these new groups.   comp.sys.acorn.advocacy comp.sys.acorn.irrelevant (half :-))    Flamewars and uninteresting discussions can be redirected here.   This was the main reason why a split was proposed.  comp.sys.acorn.announce moderated    Announcements, press releases, FAQ lists, FTP lists. We need to find a   moderator (Alan Glover has half volunteered, but maybe there are others?)  comp.sys.acorn.tech comp.sys.acorn.hardware comp.sys.acorn.software    Technical discussions.   The main point here seems to be: do we want a single .tech group, or   two groups, .hardware and .software? (Maybe we want all?)  comp.sys.acorn comp.sys.acorn.misc    General talk and discussion.   Will we move c.s.a to c.s.a.misc, or do we just create the new groups and   leave the name of c.s.a unchanged?   Postings about all Acorn machines, from the humble System I up to the R260 and A5000 will be appropriate in all of the above groups, as well as postings concerning all aspects and uses of the ARM chips.  I hope we can have a quick and good discussion on this, so we can start voting in the first half of June (the guidelines have no lower limit on the discussion time, but we should have things sorted out in 30 days, according to them). If the voting period lasts three weeks and the groups pass, they can be created before July. But knowing Usenet, it will be later...  I won't be able to take the votes (exams and such...). Volunteers? --  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . G e r b e n   V o s   <>< Aconet: 8500/104!Gerben Vos  Internet: [email protected] Contrary to popular belief, the programmers at Acorn do know what they are doing.  -- Nicko van Someren  From [email protected] Thu Jun 11 14:30:01 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2412 news.groups:52338 comp.sys.acorn:9474 eunet.micro.acorn:1341 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.acorn,eunet.micro.acorn Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Gerben 'P' Vos <[email protected]> Subject: CFV: comp.sys.acorn reorganization Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: cs.vu.nl Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1992 15:56:20 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 82  It's 	THE GREAT COMP.SYS.ACORN REORGANISATION  Hello, and welcome. Here are our contestants:  1) CREATE comp.sys.acorn.advocacy    Description: Why my Acorn computer or program is better than yours. Or not.     Charter: Here you can hold long debates why the ARM610 is better than the    586, why Translator's user interface is so very bad (or good!), or why    Acorn should lower their prices. If you hold your wars here, the people who    want to actually *do* things can get on with their work in the other Acorn    groups.  2) CREATE comp.sys.acorn.announce moderated Alan Glover <[email protected]>    Description: Announcements of interest to Acorn and ARM users. (Moderated)     Charter: This will be a low-noise group in which announcements about    (products for) Acorn computers or the ARM can be made, as well as    additions to public archives, FAQ lists, virus alerts etc.  3) CREATE comp.sys.acorn.tech    Description: Programming aspects and hardware of Acorn and ARM products.     Charter: This group is for discussion among people who develop hard- and    software for or with Acorn computers or ARM chips. Non-technical    discussions belong in comp.sys.acorn.misc (or comp.sys.acorn, if .misc    is not created).  4) RENAME comp.sys.acorn TO comp.sys.acorn.misc    Description: The Acorn computer.     Charter: This group is for discussion among users of Acorn computers.    General Q&A belong here, as well as everything that doesn't fall under    one of the other acorn groups. Lengthy discussions on the merits of one    computer or piece of software over the other should move to .advocacy .   If you want to vote, please reply to this article (including its body), remove everything except the ballot below, and replace the X's by Y (Yes), N (No) or A (Abstain), depending on your choice.  ============================ BALLOT ============================     vote-01: [X] Create comp.sys.acorn.advocacy    vote-02: [X] Create comp.sys.acorn.announce moderated    vote-03: [X] Create comp.sys.acorn.tech    vote-04: [X] Rename comp.sys.acorn to comp.sys.acorn.misc ================================================================  The voting address is [email protected], and voting is open from now until Friday 10 July 1992, 23:59:59 GMT. Yes, this is long, but during the last week of the vote i will be on holiday, so i'll return just in time to count the votes. You are encouraged to vote before 3 July, so i can ask you for information if your vote is unclear in some way.  Please keep the keyword "CFV" in the subject header, that makes it easier for me to separate the votes from the normal mail.  Voters will receive an automagic acknowledgement of their vote (unless my vote processing script would break down, of course).  Unless i'm in a bad mood, i will also accept votes in a different format (as long as they are unambiguous and unconditional, i.e. "Yes, if..." type votes will be treated as comments and not counted).  Voting "AAAA" is the same as not sending any vote, except that you get your name listed in the list of the results.  If you change your mind, you can send your new vote to me in the same way. The vote with the last date stamp will count.  A proposal passes if it has 100 more yes than no votes, and there are at least twice as many yes as no votes for it. The four votes are separate, with the logical exception that if all of 1..3 fail, 4 (rename to .misc) will not be executed, even if it passes.  Thank you. May the best newsgroups win! (round of applause, commercial break) --  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . G e r b e n   V o s   <>< Aconet: 8500/104!Gerben Vos  Internet: [email protected] Contrary to popular belief, the programmers at Acorn do know what they are doing.  -- Nicko van Someren  From [email protected] Fri Jun 19 13:25:11 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2433 news.groups:52914 comp.sys.acorn:9848 eunet.micro.acorn:1343 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.acorn,eunet.micro.acorn Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Gerben 'P' Vos <[email protected]> Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.sys.acorn reorganization Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: cs.vu.nl Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1992 04:08:02 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 86  [The third posting of the CFV will include a mass acknowledgement]  It's 	THE GREAT COMP.SYS.ACORN REORGANISATION  Hello, and welcome. Here are our contestants:  1) CREATE comp.sys.acorn.advocacy    Description: Why my Acorn computer or program is better than yours. Or not.     Charter: Here you can hold long debates why the ARM610 is better than the    586, why Translator's user interface is so very bad (or good!), or why    Acorn should lower their prices. If you hold your wars here, the people who    want to actually *do* things can get on with their work in the other Acorn    groups.  2) CREATE comp.sys.acorn.announce moderated Alan Glover <[email protected]>    Description: Announcements of interest to Acorn and ARM users. (Moderated)     Charter: This will be a low-noise group in which announcements about    (products for) Acorn computers or the ARM can be made, as well as    additions to public archives, FAQ lists, virus alerts etc.  3) CREATE comp.sys.acorn.tech    Description: Programming aspects and hardware of Acorn and ARM products.     Charter: This group is for discussion among people who develop hard- and    software for or with Acorn computers or ARM chips. Non-technical    discussions belong in comp.sys.acorn.misc (or comp.sys.acorn, if .misc    is not created).  4) RENAME comp.sys.acorn TO comp.sys.acorn.misc    Description: The Acorn computer.     Charter: This group is for discussion among users of Acorn computers.    General Q&A belong here, as well as everything that doesn't fall under    one of the other acorn groups. Lengthy discussions on the merits of one    computer or piece of software over the other should move to .advocacy .   If you want to vote, please reply to this article (including its body), remove everything except the ballot below, and replace the X's by Y (Yes), N (No) or A (Abstain), depending on your choice.  ============================ BALLOT ============================     vote-01: [X] Create comp.sys.acorn.advocacy    vote-02: [X] Create comp.sys.acorn.announce moderated    vote-03: [X] Create comp.sys.acorn.tech    vote-04: [X] Rename comp.sys.acorn to comp.sys.acorn.misc ================================================================  The voting address is [email protected] (people in the UK: if this doesn't work, try gpvos%[email protected] or [email protected]), and voting is open from now until Friday 10 July 1992, 23:59:59 GMT. Yes, this is long, but during the last week of the vote i will be on holiday, so i'll return just in time to count the votes. You are encouraged to vote before 3 July, so i can ask you for information if your vote is unclear in some way.  Please keep the keyword "CFV" in the subject header, that makes it easier for me to separate the votes from the normal mail.  Voters will receive an automagic acknowledgement of their vote (unless my vote processing script would break down, of course).  Unless i'm in a bad mood, i will also accept votes in a different format (as long as they are unambiguous and unconditional, i.e. "Yes, if..." type votes will be treated as comments and not counted).  Voting "AAAA" is the same as not sending any vote, except that you get your name listed in the list of the results.  If you change your mind, you can send your new vote to me in the same way. The vote with the last date stamp will count.  A proposal passes if it has 100 more yes than no votes, and there are at least twice as many yes as no votes for it. The four votes are separate, with the logical exception that if all of 1..3 fail, 4 (rename to .misc) will not be executed, even if it passes.  Thank you. May the best newsgroups win! (round of applause, commercial break) --  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . G e r b e n   V o s   <>< Aconet: 8500/104!Gerben Vos  Internet: [email protected] Contrary to popular belief, the programmers at Acorn do know what they are doing.  -- Nicko van Someren  From [email protected] Mon Jun 29 16:56:06 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2477 news.groups:53478 comp.sys.acorn:10168 eunet.micro.acorn:1346 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.acorn,eunet.micro.acorn Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Gerben 'P' Vos <[email protected]> Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.sys.acorn reorganization Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: cs.vu.nl Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1992 19:58:28 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 274  [Below the Call For Votes is a list of all people whose votes i have received.]  It's 	THE GREAT COMP.SYS.ACORN REORGANISATION  Hello, and welcome. Here are our contestants:  1) CREATE comp.sys.acorn.advocacy    Description: Why my Acorn computer or program is better than yours. Or not.     Charter: Here you can hold long debates why the ARM610 is better than the    586, why Translator's user interface is so very bad (or good!), or why    Acorn should lower their prices. If you hold your wars here, the people who    want to actually *do* things can get on with their work in the other Acorn    groups.  2) CREATE comp.sys.acorn.announce moderated Alan Glover <[email protected]>    Description: Announcements of interest to Acorn and ARM users. (Moderated)     Charter: This will be a low-noise group in which announcements about    (products for) Acorn computers or the ARM can be made, as well as    additions to public archives, FAQ lists, virus alerts etc.  3) CREATE comp.sys.acorn.tech    Description: Programming aspects and hardware of Acorn and ARM products.     Charter: This group is for discussion among people who develop hard- and    software for or with Acorn computers or ARM chips. Non-technical    discussions belong in comp.sys.acorn.misc (or comp.sys.acorn, if .misc    is not created).  4) RENAME comp.sys.acorn TO comp.sys.acorn.misc    Description: The Acorn computer.     Charter: This group is for discussion among users of Acorn computers.    General Q&A belong here, as well as everything that doesn't fall under    one of the other acorn groups. Lengthy discussions on the merits of one    computer or piece of software over the other should move to .advocacy .   If you want to vote, please reply to this article (including its body), remove everything except the ballot below, and replace the X's by Y (Yes), N (No) or A (Abstain), depending on your choice.  ============================ BALLOT ============================     vote-01: [X] Create comp.sys.acorn.advocacy    vote-02: [X] Create comp.sys.acorn.announce moderated    vote-03: [X] Create comp.sys.acorn.tech    vote-04: [X] Rename comp.sys.acorn to comp.sys.acorn.misc ================================================================  The voting address is [email protected] (people in the UK: if this doesn't work, try gpvos%[email protected] or [email protected]), and voting is open from now until Friday 10 July 1992, 23:59:59 GMT.  During the last week of the vote i will be on holiday, but i'll return just in time to count the votes. You are encouraged to vote before 3 July, so i can ask you for information if your vote is unclear in some way.  Please keep the keyword "CFV" in the subject header, that makes it easier for me to separate the votes from the normal mail.  Voters will receive an automagic acknowledgement of their vote (my vote processing script seems to work remarkably well).  Unless i'm in a bad mood, i will also accept votes in a different format (as long as they are unambiguous and unconditional, i.e. "Yes, if..." type votes will be treated as comments and not counted).  Voting "AAAA" is the same as not sending any vote, except that you get your name listed in the list of the results.  If you change your mind, you can send your new vote to me in the same way. The vote with the last date stamp will count.  A proposal passes if it has 100 more yes than no votes, and there are at least twice as many yes as no votes for it. The four votes are separate, with the logical exception that if all of 1..3 fail, 4 (rename to .misc) will not be executed, even if it passes.  Thank you. May the best newsgroups win! (round of applause, commercial break)   I have received votes from the following people as of Thu Jun 25 00:43:04 GMT 1992 (times and dates are in GMT):  10-06-1992 14:32:25  (R Voisey <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 12:33:12 /G=Rhodri/S=James/O=SJ-Research/ADMD=INTERSPAN/C=GB/  11-06-1992 13:16:53 /G=Richard/S=Crook/O=SJ-Research/ADMD=INTERSPAN/C=GB/  10-06-1992 08:04:49 /I=S/S=Carter/OU=HAL0200/O=STC Technology Ltd/PRMD=STC Plc/ <"/I=S/S=Carter/OU=HAL0200/O=STC Technology Ltd/PRMD=STC Plc/"@gold-400.gb> 10-06-1992 03:03:39 2105995 <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 08:55:29 A.J.D.Hurley <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 09:54:24 ajj-a <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 07:22:16 Alan Glover <[email protected]> 12-06-1992 21:36:00 Alan Ralph <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 08:06:15 Albert Koelmans <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 12:58:55 Alexander Jung <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 20:11:09 Andreas Raab <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 14:09:22 Andrew McMurry [email protected]> 10-06-1992 10:45:07 Andrew.Stevens <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 13:59:11 Andy Ingle <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 09:43:46 Andy Merritt <[email protected]> 24-06-1992 12:39:48 Andy Yule <[email protected]> 13-06-1992 14:11:25 angelo <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 19:14:00 Anthony Frost <[email protected]> 19-06-1992 12:08:56 b c thompson <[email protected]> 12-06-1992 15:08:19 B Hogan <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 08:21:21 B.McCrone <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 11:55:15 Banana Jack <[email protected]> 15-06-1992 08:39:55 banksie <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 13:44:19 Bill Owens <[email protected]> 09-06-1992 21:56:22 Boerge Noest <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 19:11:30 Brian.Brunswick <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 13:05:09 Bruce Cockburn <[email protected]> 17-06-1992 13:03:34 C.D.Latham <[email protected]> 12-06-1992 22:27:21 Carsten Beck <[email protected]> 09-06-1992 16:46:42 Charles Loader <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 06:17:32 chas <[email protected]> 13-06-1992 00:57:59 Chris Dennis <[email protected]> 09-06-1992 18:19:22 Chris Glencross <[email protected]> 12-06-1992 13:46:54 Chris Hill <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 09:24:16 Chris Marshall <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 21:29:00 Christian Weisgerber <[email protected]> 22-06-1992 17:59:55 Christopher <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 12:01:31 Colin H A Hogben <[email protected]> 12-06-1992 20:16:25 crj10 <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 10:35:26 D.S.Walker <[email protected]> 09-06-1992 17:52:34 Dag H}kon Myrdal <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 04:05:02 Damon W. Atkins <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 14:27:34 David Alan Gilbert <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 08:57:09 David Campbell <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 19:52:57 David De Vorchik <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 09:21:10 David Elworthy <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 09:24:14 David Seal <[email protected]> 22-06-1992 08:26:17 David Sparks <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 08:01:15 dcw-a <[email protected]> 09-06-1992 21:49:29 dean <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 19:27:11 Denis Howe <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 08:04:15 Dick Alstein <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 12:28:38 dme <[email protected]> 16-06-1992 02:43:17 Domenic DeFrancesco <[email protected]> 19-06-1992 12:51:41 Edward Nevill <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 17:07:33 ee0srk <[email protected]> 14-06-1992 01:06:10 epoo1 <[email protected]> 21-06-1992 04:43:49 Ernest Cline <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 16:21:00 Everything is possible - Except skiing through a revolving door <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 09:14:26 Frank Lancaster <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 14:13:38 G.I.West <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 10:41:31 G.N.Sinclair <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 09:26:09 Gary Bartlett <[email protected]> 09-06-1992 22:42:15 Gavin.Flower <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 13:04:17 Geoff Ballinger <[email protected]> 25-06-1992 00:21:51 Gerben 'P' Vos <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 10:17:15 gpalmer <[email protected]> 09-06-1992 23:33:42 Greg O'Sullivan, Senior Systems Administrator <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 07:48:25 Greg Stewart-Nicholls <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 23:07:05 Gregory G. Woodbury <[email protected]> 13-06-1992 09:56:10 Gunnar Zoetl <[email protected]> 13-06-1992 03:42:46 harvey_a <[email protected]> 09-06-1992 19:14:02 Hickinbottom_Stuart/pinewood_lab_hpopd [email protected]> 09-06-1992 19:03:41 hsundt <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 06:46:00 I Thurlbeck <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 07:04:31 ISGWILLIM <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 09:20:34 J M Fielder <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 16:48:01 J M Hicks <[email protected]> 22-06-1992 09:21:20 James G Smith <[email protected]> 09-06-1992 22:31:56 James Hammerton <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 12:39:55 James S. Lord <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 11:52:37 Jason O'Broin [email protected]> 22-06-1992 15:04:11 Jeff O'Keefe <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 16:03:15 Jens H. Ovesen <[email protected]> 23-06-1992 05:12:31 Jeremy Lee <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 10:20:36 John.P.Baker <[email protected]> 19-06-1992 13:21:27 John_Lagrue.Wgc-e <[email protected]> 15-06-1992 07:53:43 Jon Piesing <[email protected]> 18-06-1992 11:58:59 Jon Thackray <[email protected]> 18-06-1992 12:13:12 Jon Thackray <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 14:04:13 Jonathan Coxhead <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 15:20:24 julian <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 22:50:49 jwil1 <[email protected]> 12-06-1992 01:48:27 Kai Schlichting <[email protected]> 23-06-1992 12:36:30 kelly <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 11:31:03 Kjetil Torgrim Homme <[email protected]> 15-06-1992 10:32:32 Klaus Weidner <[email protected]> 13-06-1992 17:44:34 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 19:43:52 Laura Gillespie <[email protected]> 09-06-1992 17:16:35 Leif Gunnar Myhr <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 00:32:29 lithgow <[email protected]> 09-06-1992 16:15:20 lockedm <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 07:44:20 Loek L. Frederiks <[email protected]> 12-06-1992 14:13:13 Lord Yak Da Hairy <[email protected]> 17-06-1992 13:22:48 M.M.B.Corley <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 18:48:39 m89mrg <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 12:06:44 m90rjw <[email protected]> 19-06-1992 10:46:04 ma <[email protected]> 12-06-1992 07:55:41 Marc J M Botman <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 09:56:05 Marc Moorcroft <[email protected]> 22-06-1992 12:34:00 Martin Penny <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 08:35:44 Martin Ward <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 07:11:22 medema <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 08:39:46 Menno Genseberger (W90 <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 14:31:28 Merlin Hughes <[email protected]> 13-06-1992 01:23:49 mhpower <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 09:05:41 mhw-a <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 11:44:50 Michael Hardy <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 13:59:20 Michael Sanders <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 10:05:12 Michaelides DT <[email protected]> 19-06-1992 15:16:54 Mister E <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 07:49:57 mk <[email protected]> 19-06-1992 14:57:35 Mr J L Saunders <[email protected]> 20-06-1992 10:53:15 Mr J L Saunders <[email protected]> 23-06-1992 16:29:47 mrt <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 12:09:09 N J A Jarman [Ero] <[email protected]> 12-06-1992 18:28:33 Neil Postlethwaite <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 10:15:10 Nick Kaijaks <[email protected]> 19-06-1992 15:50:06 Nick Smith <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 17:11:07 Nigel Gamble <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 13:37:33 Niklas R|jemo <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 12:36:59 NJ Batten <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 14:38:13 Ollie W Cornes <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 10:26:59 Owen Smith <[email protected]> 12-06-1992 09:33:32 P MacFarlane <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 12:21:05 P.J.Knight <[email protected]> 24-06-1992 21:50:44 Paul B Bunk, QR 2133, tel 62281, bgg 63331. <[email protected]> 22-06-1992 15:20:30 Paul Maclauchlan <[email protected]> 19-06-1992 12:49:56 Paul Quare <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 13:16:06 Peter McBrien <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 10:49:20 Peter Roozemaal (NW afst. <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 08:49:43 PH10 <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 19:40:49 Phil Howard  <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 08:26:51 Philip Colmer <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 09:40:24 Piers L C Haken <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 07:13:11 Pim van Grol <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 09:32:43 P_Debenham <[email protected]> 09-06-1992 16:20:23 R. P. White <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 14:45:53 Ragnar Hafstad <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 03:06:33 Real life?  Ha! <[email protected]> 09-06-1992 20:26:03 Richard H. Miller <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 08:36:14 Richard Porter <[email protected]> 22-06-1992 07:28:04 Robert Turner <[email protected]> 22-06-1992 12:14:14 rogersh <[email protected]> 19-06-1992 17:13:02 Roland Kaltefleiter <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 21:50:18 Sascha Wildner <[email protected]> 20-06-1992 12:01:42 Simon Lockhart <[email protected]> 21-06-1992 16:49:20 simonk <[email protected]> 23-06-1992 18:08:59 smb <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 17:32:17 sproven <[email protected]> 15-06-1992 20:33:08 srm2 <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 15:07:02 Steffan Corley <[email protected]> 19-06-1992 12:51:00 Stephen Burke, Liverpool <[email protected]> 20-06-1992 14:11:42 Stephen Thomas <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 19:09:03 Steve "daffy" Hunt <[email protected]> 09-06-1992 22:17:00 Steve Loft <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 11:38:17 Stewart Brodie <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 09:15:51 Stuart Boutell <[email protected]> 19-06-1992 17:48:33 Sven Heinicke <[email protected]> 11-06-1992 14:07:00 S_JEKUTSCH <[email protected]> 09-06-1992 23:10:04 Tackline <[email protected]> 20-06-1992 02:11:16 telesys!kreed <@ennews.eas.asu.edu (Kevin W. Reed):[email protected]> 12-06-1992 09:52:28 The Bored One. <[email protected]> 14-06-1992 13:33:01 The Bored One. <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 07:58:25 Thomas J Hughes <[email protected]> 18-06-1992 08:16:49 Thorvaldur S. Arnarson <[email protected]> 23-06-1992 08:27:25 tjh-a <[email protected]> 16-06-1992 18:57:21 Tom Albrecht <[email protected]> 09-06-1992 18:48:49 torq <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 09:34:00 Ug! <[email protected]> 10-06-1992 12:26:06 Valerio Pulese 260461/IL <[email protected]> 22-06-1992 11:26:20 vorn hancock <[email protected]> 20-06-1992 15:49:34 wgt-a <[email protected]> --  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . G e r b e n   V o s   <>< Aconet: 8500/104!Gerben Vos  Internet: [email protected] [...] is the closest to advertising I have ever seen from Acorn.  -- Jeremy Lee  From [email protected] Thu Jul 16 12:01:07 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2531 news.groups:54259 comp.sys.acorn:10468 eunet.micro.acorn:1347 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.acorn,eunet.micro.acorn Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Gerben 'P' Vos <[email protected]> Subject: RESULT: comp.sys.acorn reorganization Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Summary: All passed, except the renaming of c.s.a to c.s.a.misc Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: cs.vu.nl Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1992 22:18:00 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 276          THE GREAT COMP.SYS.ACORN REORGANISATION - FINALS  Alas, one of our contestants was knocked out of the race, and another just barely made it, but let's first look at the score board!          THE RESULTS FROM THE USENET JURY:  c.s.a.advocacy PASSED with 151 votes for,  50 against and  16 abstentions. c.s.a.announce PASSED with 189 votes for,  24 against and   4 abstentions. c.s.a.tech     PASSED with 174 votes for,  32 against and  11 abstentions. c.s.a.misc     FAILED with 138 votes for,  57 against and  22 abstentions.  So, comp.sys.acorn.advocacy, comp.sys.acorn.announce and comp.sys.acorn.tech will all be created, and the renaming of comp.sys.acorn to comp.sys.acorn.misc will not take place.  The newgroup control messages will be sent out by David Lawrence after the usual five day waiting period, during which corrections to the vote list can be made.   Charters of the groups which have passed the voting procedure:  1) comp.sys.acorn.advocacy    Description: Why my Acorn computer or program is better than yours. Or not.     Charter: Here you can hold long debates why the ARM610 is better than the    586, why Translator's user interface is so very bad (or good!), or why    Acorn should lower their prices. If you hold your wars here, the people who    want to actually *do* things can get on with their work in the other Acorn    groups.  2) comp.sys.acorn.announce moderated Alan Glover <[email protected]>    Description: Announcements of interest to Acorn and ARM users. (Moderated)     Charter: This will be a low-noise group in which announcements about    (products for) Acorn computers or the ARM can be made, as well as    additions to public archives, FAQ lists, virus alerts etc.  3) comp.sys.acorn.tech    Description: Programming aspects and hardware of Acorn and ARM products.     Charter: This group is for discussion among people who develop hard- and    software for or with Acorn computers or ARM chips. Non-technical    discussions belong in comp.sys.acorn .  4) comp.sys.acorn - rename failed, stays the same  Thanks go to the following people who voted:  +---- Create comp.sys.acorn.advocacy |+--- Create comp.sys.acorn.announce ||+-- Create comp.sys.acorn.tech |||+- Rename comp.sys.acorn to comp.sys.acorn.misc vvvv YYYN 10-06-1992 03:03:39 2105995 <[email protected]> YYYY 10-06-1992 08:55:29 A.J.D.Hurley <[email protected]> YYYY 30-06-1992 10:24:00 A.M. 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Woodbury <[email protected]> NYAY 13-06-1992 09:56:10 Gunnar Zoetl <[email protected]> YYYY 13-06-1992 03:42:46 harvey_a <[email protected]> NYNN 09-06-1992 19:14:02 Hickinbottom_Stuart/pinewood_lab_hpopd [email protected]> AYYA 30-06-1992 11:05:12 Holger Klingspohr - 7657059  <[email protected]> YYYY 09-06-1992 19:03:41 hsundt <[email protected]> YYYY 10-06-1992 06:46:00 I Thurlbeck <[email protected]> YYYY 10-06-1992 07:04:31 ISGWILLIM <[email protected]> NYYN 11-06-1992 09:20:34 J M Fielder <[email protected]> YYYY 10-06-1992 16:48:01 J M Hicks <[email protected]> AYYY 22-06-1992 09:21:20 James G Smith <[email protected]> YYYY 09-06-1992 22:31:56 James Hammerton <[email protected]> YYYY 11-06-1992 12:39:55 James S. Lord <[email protected]> NYYN 11-06-1992 11:52:37 Jason O'Broin [email protected]> YYYA 22-06-1992 15:04:11 Jeff O'Keefe <[email protected]> YYYY 10-06-1992 16:03:15 Jens H. 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G e r b e n   V o s   <>< Aconet: 8500/104!Gerben Vos  Internet: [email protected] [...] is the closest to advertising I have ever seen from Acorn.  -- Jeremy Lee